How have things changed for you since you started?

[Kaliborio]

A lot of threads in this forum are, quite rightly, one of two things: well-written, detailed journals of what is happening, or questions about how to make a thing happen. I am looking for something else here. I am soliciting the answers of people who are currently either or both of the following:

• 24/7 — wearing diapers full-time, to the near-exclusion or exclusion of underwear
• untraining — deliberately either actively pursuing or passively allowing the weakening of their continence, and/or currently incontinent (in any aspect and to any degree) primarily as a result of doing so

I am looking for your input on a range of questions, which all fundamentally boil down to: What has happened?

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
• How long have you been in diapers?
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?
• How is your control right now?
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

None of these questions are mandatory — they're stimulus questions, designed to give you something to think about to reduce the mental effort of writing a post. They are also not limits; please feel free to include any other information you want.

I am really looking forward to hearing what you have to say!

[TinyBunny]

Started full-time diapers in September 2019.  I'd moved into my own place and I'm into the baby stuff so I pounced on the chance to live some of my less ambitious fantasies.

I have underwear.  Probably not for much longer.

Diapers and toilet but 90% diapers.

I've tried a few diaper brands but I think I've found decent combinations that are working for me.  I have four onesies that I wear for diaper concealment.

I won't be able to go without diapers because I'm prone to wet myself if I am concentrating on something or if I'm feeling anxious.  I'd definitely miss the cushion-soft sensation of being diapered as well.

I don't mind having reduced control because that's part of the baby fantasy and it's basically the only part of that fantasy that I can take out into public life as it's discrete.

I was nervous before travelling to stay with friends a few weeks ago because I needed to hide my diapers as going without wasn't practical.  But it worked out okay; no embarrrassing situations.

In preparation for the trip I tried my underwear but I wet myself whilst writing some emails.

So in conclusion it's been an interesting two years since the decision to become more reliant on diapers but overall I don't regret trying this.

[Little Sherri]

Hi, @Kaliborio - often enjoy your well-written posts. I'll take a swing at trying to answer some of these in bullet points, while avoiding writing a novel:

5 hours ago, Kaliborio said:

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7? I was happy when I could wear, unhappy when I couldn't, and had started to engage in long-range planning of opportunities to be away from my loved ones, just so I could wear more. So I decided I needed to wear all the time.
• How long have you been in diapers? 24/7 for 2.5 years, overnight only for a year + more than that.
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear? I don't own any underwear anymore. I got rid of the last of it a year ago, although I hadn't worn any for about a year before that. 
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively? Diapers exclusively for #1, toilet for #2. 
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.? Definitely. I had to up-size my wardrobe, and fine-tune my diaper purchasing for maximum range and reliability in a concealable product during the day, and maximum leak protection overnight. 
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers? Hopefully not. Maybe if I ran out of money, but then there are still reusable options. 
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to? Physiologically, I could do it - it would maybe take a while to get back my old flying range, but, it could be done. Psychologically, I know I would be unhappy, so it would not be "easy". 
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless? Sort of. I never set out to "untrain", but diapers contend with frequent, small wettings more effectively than infrequent soakings, and spending 2.5 years peeing every 15 - 25 minutes has dramatically reduced my holding range and comfort, although I can still hold it. I can't stop events once they start, though, but, they usually don't start by themselves. Sitting around in a wet diaper does introduce some uncertainty - I suspect I may have leaked here and there and not know about it, and certainly, that is the case overnight, although I'm not yet reliably unreliable in bed. 

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining? Not applicable
• How is your control right now? Still pretty good, although my range has dropped a lot. 
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they? I'd like to have my cake and eat it too. It would be great if I could drop in and out of controlling things, almost like we can with breathing. If I could go hours unthinkingly dribbling, but still have the ability to resume control as required, that would be Nirvana for me. 
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision? I was a childhood bedwetter and had had a vanishingly small number of bedwetting incidents as an adult. I leaned into that as an excuse for wearing them with my spouse, at least at first. 
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it? Any incident is simultaneously disconcerting, and, somewhat pleasant, at least for me, perhaps betraying a dissonance within my psyche about this strange path I'm on. 
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go? Not applicable. 
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described? I've started wearing diapers to medical appointments, although so far, nobody has taken note of it, as far as I know. My primary physician generally doesn't ask to see "under the hood", and specialists only care about their specialty, in my experience, so a cardiologist isn't likely going to dig into your plumbing issues if they see your diaper. Only twice have I had them come onto the radar, as far as I can tell - once when I was handed a transparent disposable gown at a medical imaging appointment, and once when a nurse asked me to undress for, as it turns out, no reason - I was gowned up, and then the doctor came in and didn't do anything that would have required a gowned participant, and the doctor never even saw my diaper, and the nurse never mentioned it to the doc. Her sole comment to me was "You can leave your pullup on."  (It was a diaper but she was being nice)
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale? I wouldn't want to, but during the day, yes. While I am not an inveterate bedwetter at this point, I would still feel REALLY uncomfortable sleeping without a diaper on. I guess I could get some rubber sheets. 

 

[Enthusi]

Oooh I love this!  I’ve been 247 off and on for years. (I’m in my late 30’s) and for the last 5 years have been 24/7. 

For me, unpotty training would be an understatement.  I’m on a crusade to destroy… no… obliterate my bladder control and I won’t rest until it’s done.

Strangely, as much as I hate having bladder control I’m not going for bowel incontinence.  These days I mess my diaper more often than I use the toilet and I’ve had a few bowel accidents which I don’t mind, but that’s about it.   The rest of my reply is about urinary incontinence  

I’m using my own approach which I wrote about previously in this forum. Basically I’ve identified all the parts of the mind and body that are responsible for maintaining continence and I’m targeting each area simultaneously using a variety of behavioral and cognitive techniques.  
 

My efforts have largely paid off. Prior to unpotty training I had decent bladder control day and night.  In the past if I went 247 for long enough I would wet the bed.  But besides that no bladder issues   I was potty trained around age 2 and hardly ever wet the bed or had accidents as a kid.  
 

My progression has been slow and gradual, though punctuated by periods where it would quickly worsen.
 

My biggest breakthrough came about a year ago when I had personal hypnosis.  We worked on addressing barriers to seeing myself and identifying as an incontinent person.  After that my control plummeted.  My control has further plummeted over the last few months once I realized I’m probably incontinent for life.

As for my experience… it’s a mix of profound urge incontinence, and functional incontinence.  Though more and more I’ve been dribbling a mix of urine and precum as well.  
 

Im wetting every 20-60 minutes. If I pay close enough attention, I can feel my bladder full up. Though most of the time I’m too distracted and my bladder will feel empty for 19.5-59.5 minutes, then all of the sudden BAM! It’s about to explode!? Once it gets to the bursting point I usually reflexively wet.  Though if I try to hold it, I have about 10-20 seconds before my muscles give out and I feel the urine come out of me.  I can tell when I start peeing but the stream is weak so I don’t know when I’m done. 
 

This next part is hard to explain but I’ll try my best…  

These days I have a lot of difficulty making my self pee.  It’s like the muscles aren’t cooperating like they should.  Because I can’t really make my self go or not go, it’s inconsequential whether or not my bladder is full or empty.   They’re both merely sensations in my body.  I truly don’t care if my bladder is full or empty. It’s not actionable.  That probably sounds absurd to a continent person, but it’s the truth!  As a result I often don’t pay attention to when I have to go or when I start peeing.  Or I have a vague fuzzy memory of filling my diaper but I could tell you anything other than that. Yesterday I was playing an online video game and as it was loading I felt bladder pressure.  Ten minutes later when the game ended I noticed my diaper was wet, but I can’t tell you at what point I started peeing.  That’s a typical experience for me. 
 

Speaking of games, I try to make a game out of predicting if I’m wet or not.  Because I dribble, everything down there feels damp, even if the lines on my diaper are still crisp. I’d say I’m correct about 75 percent of the time, which means I’m not sure how wet I really am 25 percent of the time, and that makes me happy. ?

Another very recent development is how sore and achy my bladder muscles feel when I do try to exercise them.  More and more I’ve been giving myself “bladder breaks” where I try to get the pelvic muscles and my sphincter muscle to relax as much as possible so they feel less fatigued.  Again it’s a hard sensation ti describe.

As for nights, I will usually wet 1-3 times each night. I usually have no memory of wetting. I only know because I’ll wake up in the middle of the night and check my diaper.   Unfortunately I almost never wet during naps and this a source of frustration for me. 

I am not yet at goal. My goal would be to feel no sensation of bladder fullness (and to wet during nap times). Also on rare occasions I find that I subconsciously hold it in especially during times of high adrenaline, and that makes me sad and leads me to wonder if I’m faking my results. I don’t think I am but I wish I couldn’t even subconsciously hold my urine. 
 

As I said above I think I’m “stuck” in diapers for life.  I have tried going without a diaper, including in public ? numerous times to see if I can stay dry and I can’t.  Whether that’s because I don’t want to be able to hold it is up for debate.  But regardless my pants are almost always soaked if I go without a diaper for more than a few minutes at a time.   That said, I can sometimes make it to the toilet if I happen to be next to it and I feel the bladder filling and I’m not busy doing something else.  But it is nowhere good enough to be going without a diaper on. 
I did tell my health providers about my incontinence.  I did that for the validation and also so I don’t have to stress about showing up to an appointment in a diaper.   It’s listed in my medical chart as incontinence.  My doc was pushing me to get a urology consult to fix it, so I wrote a lengthy email to her saying I don’t need it fixed and that’s now in my chart as well.  

Lastly, am I happy? Overall yes! I love that I often have to rely on the wetness indicator to know if I’m wet, and I love that I’m now afraid to go in public without a diaper on.   That said it has taken me a bit to “cope” with being REQUIRED to wear diapers AT ALL TIMES FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.  Just the finality of it is intimidating. But I wouldn’t have it any other way! ??

[Stroller]

6 hours ago, Kaliborio said:

OK let's try to answer some of these...

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?  I wanted to for a long time, but had to wait until the kids had left home, & until Mummy was prepared to live with it.  We got there OK.
• How long have you been in diapers?  3 years during the day, 18 months 24/7.  Intermittent before that.
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?  I got rid of mine a couple of years ago.
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?  Nappies for wee, toilet for poo.
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?  No - I got there gradually, & learned as I went along.
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?  Not that I can think of.
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?  Probably not.  I don't know what level of control I have these days.
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?  If you mean how long is it since I tried to control my weeing, then 3 years.
• How is your control right now?  No idea.  I haven't tried to stop anything happening for 3 years.
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?  I have no goals, but I'd be happy if all my wetting was out of my control altogether.  I don't know how much control I have left.
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?  Not really, just some minor anxiety
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

 

[~Brian~]

8 hours ago, Kaliborio said:

A lot of threads in this forum are, quite rightly, one of two things: well-written, detailed journals of what is happening, or questions about how to make a thing happen. I am looking for something else here. I am soliciting the answers of people who are currently either or both of the following:

• 24/7 — wearing diapers full-time, to the near-exclusion or exclusion of underwear
• untraining — deliberately either actively pursuing or passively allowing the weakening of their continence, and/or currently incontinent (in any aspect and to any degree) primarily as a result of doing so

I am looking for your input on a range of questions, which all fundamentally boil down to: What has happened?

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
• How long have you been in diapers?
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?
• How is your control right now?
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

None of these questions are mandatory — they're stimulus questions, designed to give you something to think about to reduce the mental effort of writing a post. They are also not limits; please feel free to include any other information you want.

I am really looking forward to hearing what you have to say!

@Kaliborio

I am 24 seven in diapers. I started wearing diapers in August 2019, when I started having problems with incontinence. I then started having problems with other issues including not being able to get to the bathroom in time, or having messy accidents. I started wearing diapers because it was easier for me to put a diaper on and use it rather than to try to break my neck or hurt myself trying to run into the bathroom to be able to make it to the toilet. It is easier to change A diaper, then it is to clean up a huge mess because you didn’t make it on time and you have it all over the floor or God knows where else.

in 2020, I decided to go 24 seven. This means that for the most part I put a diaper on, I use it, I change it, I put another one on, and so forth. Very rarely do I not use my diaper, and sometimes I still use the toilet because if I’m closer to the toilet or think that it would be easier to just get rid of whatever I’m releasing into the toilet, then I do it. However, for the most part I am in diapers 24 seven 365. I do take my diaper off and go “commando“ sometimes because you have to Let your skin air out and heal, And sometimes if you have a diaper on all the time and you don’t air out, you could get a severe rash or have some sort of major problem that you have to treat. You don’t want your skin breaking down, and then having more trouble than just having a rash. Do you also want to make sure that you’re changing your diapers on a consistent basis so that you don’t end up sitting in whatever you’re releasing for long periods of time, because urine and fecal matter can do a number on your skin and also is not healthy for you.

yes, I still have underwear, but I don’t use them as often. Most of the time it’s diapers. This is for practical reasons as well as for my safety, my sanity, my comfort, And ease of use. Since I use a wheelchair most of the time, it doesn’t make sense for me to constantly have to get up every five minutes to go to the bathroom, and if I’m in a position where I have a diaper on and I have to use it, I usually prepare for it by covering it with Garywear incontinence underwear.  This way, if I have to use the diaper, I can let it go without having too much difficulty. Of course I’d have to change when I get back, but 90% of the time anything that I release stays within the diaper or within the incontinence pants.

This way, if I have to use the diaper, I can let it go without having too much difficulty. Of course I’d have to change when I get back, but 90% of the time anything that I release stays within the diaper or within the incontinence pants.  I’ve had to make several changes since I started wearing diapers in August 2019. One of them was, going from prevail air diapers, two mega max, and NORTHSHORE supreme diapers. I found that any diapers that the state gave me, were sufficient in Quantity, but like the quality that you need when you are in continent and you are incontinent in both directions.  Other thing that I decided to do, was not to wear underwear anymore. This is because you are basically using your underwear, washing them and having to keep doing them every week, and if you’re in diapers why do you have to worry about it, I mean I have some, but I don’t use it that often so I don’t have to worry. With my disability, there is no reason why I should not be using diapers full-time if I am having trouble with the remaining continent or being able to get to the bathroom in an appropriate time period.  When COVID-19 hit in 2019, it was more important than ever that we keep ourselves safe and we end up doing exactly what we’re supposed to do in order to make sure that we didn’t catch the virus. Most of the people that I have talk to you started using diapers more after it started and they did before it started. I found it to be easier to use a diaper when you’re out, rather than to worry about using a stinky terrible restroom that is not very well-maintained, and there are people out there that are just disgusting when it comes to using the toilet. So I started using diapers also because of the fact that it was safer for me and I knew that whatever I had I wasn’t going to spread to anybody else other than myself, because I quarantined and cut myself incommunicado for several months.

I found it to be easier to use a diaper when you’re out, rather than to worry about using a stinky terrible restroom that is not very well-maintained, and there are people out there that are just disgusting when it comes to using the toilet. So I started using diapers also because of the fact that it was safer for me and I knew that whatever I had I wasn’t going to spread to anybody else other than myself, because I quarantined and kept myself incommunicado for several months. 

Other changes I’ve made include:  caring a “go bag“ with enough diapers and supplies for me to be able to change if I am away from home and on the road, so that I may deal with this inappropriate manners. I also have appropriate disposal bags, trash bags, dry clothes, and appropriate treatment options: baby powder, zinc oxide, bag balm, and lotion for other reasons.  I always carry this bag with me if I’m on board the chair. Very rarely where I take it off, and usually that is when I know I don’t need to use it, or I am downtown, and I need to carry something else that needs my back handles.

I have decided to change several things about my attire: in September 2021, I had an order placed through my case management agency so that I had at least 21 pair of the Garywear.  I also have a disposal bags and washable and disposable pads as well as KN 95 mask’s for times where I need to use them. I still wear pants shirts and other things but they are a tad bit bigger than they used to be. Whenever I go somewhere I usually put on a pair of the Garywear.  That way, if I have to release, I don’t have to worry about it going all over kingdom come, because the diaper has absorption, and if it goes outside of that then it will be absorbed by the pants that you’re wearing over it.  When I feel the need to change, I change as much as I can as fast as I can, because you don’t want your skin to break down or to have a serious rash that you have to deal with. Unfortunately I am dealing with one on the back side of my back on the left side, and I’m not sure why I would have this humongous rash but it is going away. You always should take care of your skin that is number one priority: if you’re skin gets sore, or starts breaking down, you are in a lot of trouble. As a guy with Cerebral  Palsy who uses a chair most of the time, I have to keep track of my skin, because I’m sitting on my butt all the time, so I can’t let  it hurt for a long before finding out why it hurts.

I don’t believe there would be a situation where I would leave diapers all the way. I have been on this earth for 49 years, and have been disabled for all 49 of them. Most of the time people understand that if you are disabled, that you may need to wear diapers or use them. I am in the situation where I have decided that I need them, and I need them 24 seven, and I might as well use them as necessary, because I do not want to have to worry that I have to quickly go to the bathroom.  I decided that I needed to go to diapers because I was having accidents, and making messes all over the place, and also I was not able to get to the bathroom on time and was just making things hard for myself. Now that I have diapers, I don’t see myself going back: as I get older I don’t know what will happen to my body or how it will change, but I know that some things that I used to be able to eat I can no longer eat, because it goes through me like a sieve, not only that: if you eat the wrong foods, and it goes through you, you quickly learn how good your diapers are: you have to have the best diapers you can possibly get if you are going to deal with being able to get rid of waste in both directions. I don’t care what type or you have: if you don’t have the right type of situation, and the right set up to be able to deal with it, you will have problems. By that I mean, how many times do you think that you would have to go to the bathroom in one day, and how long do you think those things will last? Most diapers that you get nowadays are not quality – they will give you plenty of quantity because they don’t care about the quality, which means that your quality of life will go down considerably if you are wearing what I call “bounty paper towels“ on your butt. I have lived for 49 years, and I know what a “diaper is“ and what a “diapers not“: anything that is not plastic back or not designed to deal with whatever you release, it’s not a diaper that I want in my arsenal.

I’ve also made changes because I understand that I am going to be using diapers for the for seeable future. Most diapers or white, and that is because I guess that is the color for most of these. There are a lot of his here on DD who wear diapers for whatever reason, or may be an an AB or a DL, So they may want different colors, which I support. In my case, I will be using diapers 24 seven 365, so if I can get halfway decent colors then at least since I have to use them I can look cool by using different colors. I don’t mind using diapers like this because at least I will have the diapers that I need when I need them, and I no longer need to worry that I will not have what I need when I need them, because I have an awesome team.

being disabled, I don’t think that I would leave diapers immediately. I believe that my disability would eventually change to the point where I would require them, or that I would need them or want them for comfort and dignity as well as for control of incontinence either urine or fecal.  I’ve had so many accidents, that I don’t want to have them without having the diaper on, because then it would be a pain in the neck: I don’t know when I will release, so it makes sense that I would have a diaper on for most applications, and then I would use it and change it when necessary. People that are disabled usually wear diapers for whatever reason: this could be based on the severity of the disability, the ability to communicate (such as nonverbal autistic’s that can’t tell you when they have to use the bathroom, or won’t tell you by use of communication devices) your muscle tone and structure, and your ability to be able to move and be able to hold and release when you need to. My diaper serve two purposes: one is to deal with my incontinence, the other is to deal with urges and feelings about me liking diapers. If I am in continent, I may as well enjoy myself and enjoy the fact that I have to wear diapers because I feel that they serve two purposes.

because of my incontinence, and my disability, I have had my doctor include my diagnosis of: “continuous leakage of urine, and fecal incontinence with urgency”.  I did that for one reason and one reason alone:  since I am disabled, I may have to go into the hospital, and if I need a diaper I want one, I don’t want there to be any issues with that being complied with. It also sets up good for me because then no one will be able to tell me that my diapers are not “medically necessary“, because they are. In my mind it is a lot easier when you were sick do you have a diaper on rather than to worry that you’re going to make a mess. If it becomes necessary that I need to be in the hospital, at least I will be able to have a diaper or diapers available.  You would probably want to put that into any question whether you are in continent or whether you are untraining,

if by “unexpected continents issues“ you mean “have you met yourself and had a messy diaper?“: The answer is yes. This is because sometimes you are unable to know when you have to go, and sometimes you have to go so bad you don’t realize it. I’ve had situation where I’m sitting in my recliner, and I can’t even grab onto my armrest of my recliner without filling my diaper because I can’t get up fast enough. I’ve also had unexpected releases while I am on downtown runs,  or I am at work and I just can’t hold it. I have also had a situation where I couldn’t hold it and I have just wet myself. Most of the time now, it doesn’t bother me, because if I put the diaper on right and prepare myself for it it doesn’t bother me and I can use the diaper all day. If it becomes an issue where it is wet or uncomfortable or it needs to be changed because it is dirty, I will do it when I have the time and if I have the time. Ever since I started wearing diapers again I am glad that I have them on so I don’t have to rush, and I don’t have to worry about being embarrassed or the fact that I need them because it is Acceptable.

I also have the Jenibelle system: this is the adult equivalent of a “diaper genie“ it has the removable shield, that you stick on top of the opening before you close the lid so that you keep the smell inside. It also has the refillable bags. In order to use these you load a refill into the system, and then you lift it up take off the band, and then drop the bag down below so that you can pull it down into the bottom of the receptacle. Tie a knot in it, and you are set Until the bag is full and then you have to pull the knot down towards you and away from the receptacle and then cut the bag off tie a knot in the top of the bag you remove and then tie a knot in the bottom of the bag that you cut off so that you can pull it down to put more diapers in it. I also use heavenly scent bags so that every time I put a diaper in it it smells good so I put the tide up not at off bags in the receptacle so that you will only see blue bags in the receptacle when you remove it. The Jenibelle refill bags are green and they smell really good, so if you really have a bad smelling diaper, it isn’t as bad as you think, and if you really have a bad situation, and you have to get rid of a diaper right away, you can open the bottom of the receptacle cut the bag off and dispose of it so it doesn’t sit in your can for a long time. I try really hard to make sure that I remove those things at least once a week sometimes twice depending on the volume of diapers I use.

Jenibelle refill bags are green and they smell really good, so if you really have a bad smelling diaper, it isn’t as bad as you think, and if you really have a bad situation, and you have to get rid of a diaper right away, you can open the bottom of the receptacle cut the bag off and dispose of it so it doesn’t sit in your can for a long time. I try really hard to make sure that I remove those things at least once a week sometimes twice depending on the volume of diapers I use. 

I may not be an AB, But I am in incontinent DL: I found that there’s nothing bad about the situation, and I Meisel embrace it because as @TinyBunnySays it’s not too far of a stretch to go from underwear sometimes to full on diapers, to baby stuff:  it all depends on whether you are an AB, a DL, Or whatever, and as she says, she didn’t regret that decision to go full on diapers in 2019, and neither have I. I have learned from experience there are more important things to worry about in your life then whether you have to use a diaper or not. I would rather worry about the things that I have to worry about rather than the things that I shouldn’t have to. One of the things that I always get is people asking me “is it OK to wear a diaper, what happens if somebody finds out? “The answer to this question iscolon yes it is OK to wear a diaper, if somebody finds out, then they should just be supportive and not worry about it, and they should keep it between you and them selves. They should not worry whether it is “appropriate“ or not if you are an adult. They always say that wearing diapers is simply an “underwear choice“ weather your undies are cloth or plastic or crinkly, that doesn’t make any difference: what you wear for underwear and your choice is your business and no one else’s.

Just for your information: there have been situations where I’ve had to “educate some of my friends” about having disabilities and having to wear diapers. Some of them thought that it was kind of funny that they would have to have someone get them up out of bed put them into a wheelchair get them into the bathroom get them into a shower “dress them” and do other things for them. I told them that there are some people who are disabled who have no choice who cannot do those things for themselves, and need someone to help them 24 seven with “activities of daily living“ and that it is common for people who are severely disabled to wear diapers, and that you should not make fun of them simply because they cannot help it. Most of my friends understood this, but I have had a couple of friends who thought it was “cool to be able to run in a wheelchair as fast as you can, and then be able to get some more faster than they can if they were walking“ to that I told them “I have friends that would give their eyeteeth to be able to walk 10 feet but they can’t do it, they have to have someone get them up bathe them feed them change them, or do things that they require.“ I always tell them to be mindful of those who are disabled who do not have it as easy as they do or have the abilities that they do, and let me tell you because of the talks like that I was able to make them understand that because you’re disabled that does not necessarily mean that you aren’t able to do things, it just means that you may need more help to do those things that we take for granted every day.

thank you for posting these questions: it was a pleasure to answer them, if you need anymore information, I would be more than willing to add more

Brian

 

[oznl]

So many questions @Kaliborio, an answer was always going to be an essay but such interesting questions!  I've tried to trade details for brevity.  You can follow up with post or PM for specific details:

Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?

My preference for nappies was becoming stronger and stronger and I realised that I was unhappier OUT of nappies and stressful thoughts about leaving my nappies was starting to contaminate even my supposedly-comfortable nappy time.  Washing against this was awareness of my advancing years and some other familial developments where tolerance was demanded of me but not reciprocated.  I kind of blew a mental fuse.

How long have you been in diapers?

Full-time cumulatively just short of three years although a 4 week “sabbatical” means that it’s about 31 months unbroken.

Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?

Yes, one dilapidated pair only for emergency medical use.  All others were lost or discarded through some unintentional process I don't quite understand.  There was no "ceremony".

Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?

Nappies exclusively for #1.  Toilet predominately for #2 but not always.

Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?

The wardrobe issue I had anticipated and had up-sized my pants collection to accommodate.  I did go through a (damp) learning process with nappies before I found brands that worked for me reliably.  I no longer try to get by with untrustworthy Tena maxis!

Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?

This is hard to say.  I had anticipated that there WOULD be but as time goes by, the thought of doing this fills me with a certain dread and I can be VERY resourceful.

Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?

I suspect I could manage during the day given proximity to a toilet (but even then, I’d probably want some kind of safety-pad) but beyond a couple of hours, I don’t really know.  I’ve become something of a bed wetter so leaving them at night would take time and effort.  I am aware that some believe this to be impossible but I can't see the irreversibility of the mechanism myself.

For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

I guess this isn't directly applicable to me although I'm wary about unintentional loss of bowel control.

How long have you been untraining?

Whilst never exactly professing to be “untraining”, I abandoned all efforts at urinary continence the day I put on my first nappy with no expectation of coming out of them (December 2018).

How is your control right now?

It’s hard to tell because I VERY rarely us it and when I do, it's for VERY limited time.  I know I’m ok for an hour or two during the day but nights are NOT reliable.

If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?

My goals are an intellectual work-in-progress (that's a great way of saying "I don't have a plan").  I’m not sure I understood what I was trying to achieve when I started.  My best guess is that true incontinence will give me some degree of validation and to be “left alone”.  If it should arise, I would get it diagnosed (to make sure it wasn't something more serious) and then just leave it at that but this isn’t well thought through.

Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?

Early hints of typical late middle-aged male urgency and highly annoying but low level nocturia: both of these issues completely masked by my nappies.  I’ve no idea if or how those issues have progressed in the preceding years.

If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?

Yes.  There are now MANY conditional limits that I’m dimly aware of and there are some activities that I now realise I could not safely undertake outside of a nappy (like a road trip).  When I eventually proved to myself that I  WILL wet the bed even though I wouldn't wish to do that, that was a real shock.  It was a curious alloy of joy at some glimpse toward a "nirvana", fear that things were getting out of my control and guilt at what I was doing to myself.   It still is.  The secondary shock was that the resumption of bedwetting did not tip me toward abandoning this venture and I realised how deeply this was baked in to me.

Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?

No and no.

Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?

No, this is a Shibboleth yet to be crossed.

Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

I THINK yes but I don’t know.  I certainly don't WANT to.

[Enthusi]

1 hour ago, oznl said:

My goals are an intellectual work-in-progress (that's a great way of saying "I don't have a plan").

Hahaha I’m stealing this next time someone asks me what I plan to do about something! ?

@oznl - Anyone ever tell you that you are a talented writer?
 

 

[oznl]

4 hours ago, Enthusi said:

 

@oznl - Anyone ever tell you that you are a talented writer?
 

 

Yes, but I try not to take them seriously ?  There IS a bit of a “missed vocation” backstory there but it's just a source of sadness now and I don’t want to hijack the OP’s thread...

[herb330]

On 11/4/2021 at 5:41 AM, Kaliborio said:

A lot of threads in this forum are, quite rightly, one of two things: well-written, detailed journals of what is happening, or questions about how to make a thing happen. I am looking for something else here. I am soliciting the answers of people who are currently either or both of the following:

• 24/7 — wearing diapers full-time, to the near-exclusion or exclusion of underwear
• untraining — deliberately either actively pursuing or passively allowing the weakening of their continence, and/or currently incontinent (in any aspect and to any degree) primarily as a result of doing so

I am looking for your input on a range of questions, which all fundamentally boil down to: What has happened?

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
• How long have you been in diapers?
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?
• How is your control right now?
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

None of these questions are mandatory — they're stimulus questions, designed to give you something to think about to reduce the mental effort of writing a post. They are also not limits; please feel free to include any other information you want.

I am really looking forward to hearing what you have to say!

if you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
  • I have been in diapers for a long time.  It started as having accidents as a child.  Parents forced me back into diapers. 
• How long have you been in diapers?
  • I have been in diapers 24/7 most of my adulthood.
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
  • Since being with my wife my underwear has been thrown out.  I’m in diapers al day
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
  • Yes I have accidents in my diaper.  My wife changes me once I have a mess
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
  • Most of the time wearing thin items over my diaper when outside so that it does not show the bulkiness
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
  • At this time I’m 24/7 my body is used to it.
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
  • It would be pretty hard to
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

[Little Cub Pants]

On 11/4/2021 at 11:07 AM, Enthusi said:

Oooh I love this!  I’ve been 247 off and on for years. (I’m in my late 30’s) and for the last 5 years have been 24/7. 

For me, unpotty training would be an understatement.  I’m on a crusade to destroy… no… obliterate my bladder control and I won’t rest until it’s done.

Strangely, as much as I hate having bladder control I’m not going for bowel incontinence.  These days I mess my diaper more often than I use the toilet and I’ve had a few bowel accidents which I don’t mind, but that’s about it.   The rest of my reply is about urinary incontinence  

I’m using my own approach which I wrote about previously in this forum. Basically I’ve identified all the parts of the mind and body that are responsible for maintaining continence and I’m targeting each area simultaneously using a variety of behavioral and cognitive techniques.  
 

My efforts have largely paid off. Prior to unpotty training I had decent bladder control day and night.  In the past if I went 247 for long enough I would wet the bed.  But besides that no bladder issues   I was potty trained around age 2 and hardly ever wet the bed or had accidents as a kid.  
 

My progression has been slow and gradual, though punctuated by periods where it would quickly worsen.
 

My biggest breakthrough came about a year ago when I had personal hypnosis.  We worked on addressing barriers to seeing myself and identifying as an incontinent person.  After that my control plummeted.  My control has further plummeted over the last few months once I realized I’m probably incontinent for life.

As for my experience… it’s a mix of profound urge incontinence, and functional incontinence.  Though more and more I’ve been dribbling a mix of urine and precum as well.  
 

Im wetting every 20-60 minutes. If I pay close enough attention, I can feel my bladder full up. Though most of the time I’m too distracted and my bladder will feel empty for 19.5-59.5 minutes, then all of the sudden BAM! It’s about to explode!? Once it gets to the bursting point I usually reflexively wet.  Though if I try to hold it, I have about 10-20 seconds before my muscles give out and I feel the urine come out of me.  I can tell when I start peeing but the stream is weak so I don’t know when I’m done. 
 

This next part is hard to explain but I’ll try my best…  

These days I have a lot of difficulty making my self pee.  It’s like the muscles aren’t cooperating like they should.  Because I can’t really make my self go or not go, it’s inconsequential whether or not my bladder is full or empty.   They’re both merely sensations in my body.  I truly don’t care if my bladder is full or empty. It’s not actionable.  That probably sounds absurd to a continent person, but it’s the truth!  As a result I often don’t pay attention to when I have to go or when I start peeing.  Or I have a vague fuzzy memory of filling my diaper but I could tell you anything other than that. Yesterday I was playing an online video game and as it was loading I felt bladder pressure.  Ten minutes later when the game ended I noticed my diaper was wet, but I can’t tell you at what point I started peeing.  That’s a typical experience for me. 
 

Speaking of games, I try to make a game out of predicting if I’m wet or not.  Because I dribble, everything down there feels damp, even if the lines on my diaper are still crisp. I’d say I’m correct about 75 percent of the time, which means I’m not sure how wet I really am 25 percent of the time, and that makes me happy. ?

Another very recent development is how sore and achy my bladder muscles feel when I do try to exercise them.  More and more I’ve been giving myself “bladder breaks” where I try to get the pelvic muscles and my sphincter muscle to relax as much as possible so they feel less fatigued.  Again it’s a hard sensation ti describe.

As for nights, I will usually wet 1-3 times each night. I usually have no memory of wetting. I only know because I’ll wake up in the middle of the night and check my diaper.   Unfortunately I almost never wet during naps and this a source of frustration for me. 

I am not yet at goal. My goal would be to feel no sensation of bladder fullness (and to wet during nap times). Also on rare occasions I find that I subconsciously hold it in especially during times of high adrenaline, and that makes me sad and leads me to wonder if I’m faking my results. I don’t think I am but I wish I couldn’t even subconsciously hold my urine. 
 

As I said above I think I’m “stuck” in diapers for life.  I have tried going without a diaper, including in public ? numerous times to see if I can stay dry and I can’t.  Whether that’s because I don’t want to be able to hold it is up for debate.  But regardless my pants are almost always soaked if I go without a diaper for more than a few minutes at a time.   That said, I can sometimes make it to the toilet if I happen to be next to it and I feel the bladder filling and I’m not busy doing something else.  But it is nowhere good enough to be going without a diaper on. 
I did tell my health providers about my incontinence.  I did that for the validation and also so I don’t have to stress about showing up to an appointment in a diaper.   It’s listed in my medical chart as incontinence.  My doc was pushing me to get a urology consult to fix it, so I wrote a lengthy email to her saying I don’t need it fixed and that’s now in my chart as well.  

Lastly, am I happy? Overall yes! I love that I often have to rely on the wetness indicator to know if I’m wet, and I love that I’m now afraid to go in public without a diaper on.   That said it has taken me a bit to “cope” with being REQUIRED to wear diapers AT ALL TIMES FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.  Just the finality of it is intimidating. But I wouldn’t have it any other way! ??

Well, I'm proud of you bud. My, my, aren't we finally a little boy!??☺️ All you have left to work towards now is, making uncontrollable poopies in your diaper, just like a regular baby.??❤️?????????? But don't worry baby, you'll get there eventually!???☺️??❤️??

[WBxx]

If you are untraining:

How long have you been untraining?
Began every night untraining for bedwetting in October of 2015.

How is your control right now?
To date this year I’ve wet in my sleep 90% plus nights.

If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
Goal is chronic bedwetting as in my youth. I’m getting close.

Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
Beginning in my late teens I often wet in my sleep after beer parties.  These accidents opened the door for pursuit of regular bed wetting without alcohol.

If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
I’m elated with my progress.

Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
I have zero desire to wake dry.

Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
Nope, I'm confident bedwetting is not in my medical records.  So far I’ve lied when primary care and urologist asked about getting up for the bathroom during the night.  Some day …..

Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?
Wearing is part of it, but my drive is more for wetting than diapers.  If so motivated I believe I could regain control.

[sparklezBear]

Thank you for asking the questions. Occasionally I consider starting another blog type thread to explain such questions, although it never quite progresses into fingers on the keyboard.

If you are wearing 24/7:

Yup, I'm 24/7. 

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?

I chose 24/7 out of what was ultimately a strong personal and emotional need, and to help with some incontinence issues. Nappies were so beneficial to my mental state, more or less quashing some increasing anxiety that was starting to impact my professional work. Nappies also bring such a sense of calm, as much as a security blanket may help to settle a child. Nappies were and are an object of immense relief, safety and comfort. 

• How long have you been in diapers?

I've only been 24/7 for about 7 months now. Before that, I've been wearing nappies for bedwetting (learned) for about 18 months. There have also been countless periods of sporadic nappy use dotted throughout my life.

• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?

I do own many garments that could be considered underwear, but that is not their use. I always wear one of those full-cut briefs over my nappy to soak up any small leaks before they migrate past plastic pants. While leaks are more and more uncommon, they can happen, particularly while I'm being lazy about changing, or while I'm working in a somewhat physical job, so prefer to use as much insurance as I can.

• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?

On the odd occasion, I will use a toilet for a #2, although I much prefer to use my nappies exclusively. The exceptions are if I need to go while at work (I try to avoid messing at work), or if I've just changed into a fresh longer range nappy. Over time I am getting better at predicting my bowel habits to ensure I'm changing at the right times, and have on a suitable nappy.

• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?

There have been countless little adjustments I've made, most of which relate to reducing leaks at work. I've swapped from cloth backed to exclusively plastic backed nappies at work, changed how I wear plastic pants, and changed the brands I wear. I've the same uniform to wear to work, so there wasn't much to do on that aspect. Outside of work, not too many changes except for my wardrobe which is now mostly nappy-friendly. It was certainly expensive to change my wardrobe as such, but I'm in nappies for life, so more a requirement than a choice. 

• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?

None. I've told my friends, my doctor. Nappies are permanent. 

• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?

I suspect that I would be quite unsafe without absorbency. I would destroy beds, chairs and clothing.

if you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?

I've been full time un-training since going 24/7 about 7 months ago, although I managed un-train and reverse my night-time continence about 15 months ago. 

• How is your control right now?

At night, I have no control and wake up soaked every morning. During the day is another matter. As I mentioned before, I was already dealing with a small amount of incontinence. That has progressed to the point where I do inadvertently release small amounts without any sensation multiple times a day, quite happily. Unfortunately though, I suspect more control exists than I would like. I surmise this given that my bladder can still play shy on occasion. This doesn't happen often, or for long, but it's enough to indicate that sphincters are grossly able to perform their job. At all other times, I barely register the small amounts that frequently pass into my nappy.

For bowel control, this was again spotty before I started 24/7. Although that mostly related to some IBS type symptoms. While I've figured out some of the triggers, others remain undiscovered. This can result in motions that I'm unable to stop, and do occasionally happen at work. For more regular motions, I do retain a degree of control. Outside of work, I try to always release whenever the urge calls without holding.

• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?

Complete urinary incontinence, and while not specifically a goal, I'd be happy with bowel incontinence too. I'd like this all today if possible, but it takes more dedication and work than that.

• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?

Yes and yes. I was having to wear protection (discrete pullups) regardless.

• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?

I absolutely love my learned incontinence. I am born to be the bedwetter I am now, and I suspect gaining significant urinary incontinence will be more internally fulfilling. 

Bowel incontinence was a different story, and I felt quite embarrassed when this happened at work (it was incontinence, not the result of un-training). Now though, it is a comfort. It's a reminder that I always need to be in nappies, that I require them. 

• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?

Never.

• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?

I'm not sure actually. My doctor is aware that I wear nappies 24/7, that I do suffer from IBS type episodes, and that I do experience an amount of urinary leakiness. Whether that has resulted in an actual diagnosis, I'm don't know. In a short while, I will be asking for another referral to a specialist (unrelated), and I will be asking for incontinence to be on my records at that point if it isn't already.

• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

While I am one of those motivated people that can achieve anything, no. Nappies are permanent. I will never try to.

[SunOfSheep]

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?

I got laid off in the first COVID wave, I never really intended to go 24/7 but have done 3-5 month stretches before, this time I just never stoped 

• How long have you been in diapers?

I don’t really know when I actually started but it’s probably been close to two years by now.

• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?

I Have a few custom cartoon ones

• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?

Not completely, well I don’t mind a messy diaper sometimes it’s not vary practical so I will use a toilet at work for #2 or in public if I’m around people as I’m not trying to make anyone smell my loaded diapers.

• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?

i definitely did some testing with brands, I finally settled on mega max for the day. I’ve never had one of these leak unless I knew I pushed it to far. I don’t pee much at night so I use ATN. I did get larger pants also for comfort, but really nothing has changed I still go out with friends, go to work etc honestly less changed then I expected.

• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?

it’s hard to say, I’ve definitely found I’m much happier when wearing a diaper so it’s unlikely unless something big happens in my life.

• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?

Immediately? Probably not, I’m so use to wearing a diaper I’d be fairly afraid I would forget I’m not wearing one. Given a few days in pull-ups or something tho i would feel confident returning to underware .  

• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

other then being able to poop way easier then previously, like even on a potty that is. I’ve not found that big a difference, I can hold it but when I do I get the need to pee felling about every 30 minutes and it’s fairly annoying actually, I’m not actively trying to unpotty train but I wouldn’t mind If I lost just urinating control. I definitely wouldn’t want fecal inconvenience 

[BabyJilly_S]

If you are wearing 24/7:

Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?

Covid lockdown gave me the opportunity to try it.

How long have you been in diapers?

Started in October 2020, had one day off Christmas day where I wore normal underwear to my folks 

Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?

Still got it, don't use it

Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?

Diapers only

Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?

Bought black stretchy jeans a size up, though that may be Covid extra poundage on me as well as the diapers hehe. Tried all the diapers brands before settling on the ones that fitted the best for various situations. Betterdry for overnight, Dotty Diaper for smallness and comfort, Megamax for work.

Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?

I  guess if  I met someone who was vehemently opposed and i wanted to be with them.

Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?

Probably in the daytime, though i may need to find a toilet sooner rather than later, not sure about overnight now.

If you are untraining:

How long have you been untraining?

10 months, though untraining sounds like there is a plan, and there really isnt. I am using some self hypnosis, not sure if it works but it gets me nice and relaxed for sure and I am just not holding anything and letting my body decide when anything happens. Try to let anything out everytime i move to discourage floods.  

How is your control right now?

I  think slightly lessened in the daytime, overnight have woken up wet with no memory of going a few times now. 

If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?

Urinary incontinence, would like to retain some control over the other but if that happens too I guess so be it. 

Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?

Nope, got fed up getting woken up in the night to go to the loo.

If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing 
accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?

Good

Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?

Nope

Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?

Nope

Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?

Yes probably.

[Enthusi]

Okay, even though I wasn’t the OP, I’ve been closely following this thread. I love reading all the responses! ❤️❤️❤️
 

Has anyone else observed in the responses that there tend to be two broad camps of people here? 
 

Camp 1. People who enjoy wearing diapers. They don’t mind a little bit of loss of bladder control but that’s not their motivation. For the most part they can quit wearing diapers, though they would be unhappy. 
 

Camp 2. People who want to be incontinent and are eager to track their progress and won’t stop until they need be in diapers.  I’m definitely in this camp. 

[Little Cub Pants]

24 minutes ago, Enthusi said:

Okay, even though I wasn’t the OP, I’ve been closely following this thread. I love reading all the responses! ❤️❤️❤️
 

Has anyone else observed in the responses that there tend to be two broad camps of people here? 
 

Camp 1. People who enjoy wearing diapers. They don’t mind a little bit of loss of bladder control but that’s not their motivation. For the most part they can quit wearing diapers, though they would be unhappy. 
 

Camp 2. People who want to be incontinent and are eager to track their progress and won’t stop until they need be in diapers.  I’m definitely in this camp. 

Yeah, I've noticed that too buddy. I would say I'm definitely in camp 1. For now at least.??❤️ LOL!??

[Kaliborio]

Hey folks. I'm sorry I took so long to get back to this — I have been dealing with aphasia lately, which has made it unusually hard to write.

On 11/5/2021 at 1:18 AM, Little Sherri said:

Hi, @Kaliborio - often enjoy your well-written posts.

You're very kind; thank you for saying so! The feeling is mutual.

On 11/5/2021 at 4:44 AM, ~Brian~ said:

thank you for posting these questions: it was a pleasure to answer them

My pleasure! I appreciate you taking the time.

On 11/5/2021 at 8:15 AM, oznl said:

So many questions @Kaliborio, an answer was always going to be an essay but such interesting questions!

I didn't mean the questions to be mandatory, I'm sorry ?! I am very glad they were interesting, though.

On 11/7/2021 at 10:17 AM, sparklezBear said:

Thank you for asking the questions.

No worries!

[Little Sherri]

On 11/5/2021 at 12:25 AM, oznl said:

There IS a bit of a “missed vocation” backstory there but it's just a source of sadness now and I don’t want to hijack the OP’s thread...

I won't hijack it either, but this is something else we have in common. Maybe unrequited writers are preternaturally drawn to nappies...?

 

[spark]

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
  • It was the right time.  I was finally on my own and working at home
• How long have you been in diapers?
  • This is a tough question.   I started wearing more often in the day 8 years ago, and 5 years ago I got to point where I was wearing more than 80% of the time.
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
  • Yes, and I put them over my covers.   The few times I go without diapers (usually in the evenings), I free ball it.
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
  • I use both.  I try to poop in the toilet.  I use the toilet at work when I can, but do use my diaper.   I also use the toilet if I haven’t peed for a while and have strong urgencies.
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
  • For me- not really.   My pants are usually baggy, and I haven’t changed.
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
  • I don’t know  If I met a SO who was against me wearing diapers, but at this point that might be a deal breaker.
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
  • It would be hard, and I don’t think I would be accident free
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?

I started experience bladder leakage after years after pooping, but that starting years ago.  I find myself peeing much easier than I used to.

[Babyhawkeye]

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
  • I started because I have always wanted to wear diapers full time and wanted an excuse to have them and wear them. Needing them felt like the right thing and when I moved out and in with my very understanding wife I started wearing more often and last year I was able to convince her that I needed them 24/7. now I don't know if I could stop even if I wanted to. 
• How long have you been in diapers?
  • I have been wearing diaper on and off for about 5 or 6 years but started wearing 24/7 about 14 or 15 months ago.
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
  • I try not to use the toilet if I can but sometimes when my diaper is dry, or I just changed I will go poop in the toilet. all the other time I use the diaper for all my voiding. I look at it as that's why I wear them so I should use them for everything. 
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
  • I have had to up my pants size a little bit but other than that not too much has changed. 
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
  • no not really. even if there was an apocalypse and I could not get disposables I would end up using my cloth diapers tell I could get disposables again. 

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?
  • about 14 to 15 months and I started and stopped a few times before I went full 24/7 last year. 
• How is your control right now?
  • I reduced capacity overall. sometimes I have less control over my bowels then my bladder, but it seems about the same. I still have trouble peeing in bed. pooping in bed is no problem I don't do it in my sleep, but I have had a few times where I had to go poop in bed and it just kind of slide out. I find that I wake up with a very full bladder in the mornings, so I still flood my diapers in the morning. I need to find a way to get more used to peeing in bed. peeing in the daytime has done kind of a roller coaster ride of sorts. some weeks I will do better than others. some weeks I find myself unconsciously holding it and have to force a flood. as for pooping that seems to be progressing much better. I can only hold it for a few minutes before it comes out on its own. sometimes if I'm at home I find that I just go, I still have to think about it and tell it to start going, but once it starts there is no stopping it.  
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
  • My goals are 100% bladder and bowel untraining. I want to be able to not feel the urge to go and that it hits my diaper before I even know I have to go. I would love to get so used to peeing and pooping in my diapers that I have to check my diaper to know when I need changed. I would say I'm about 15% to 20% to my goal and I hope with some more aggressive training, or untraining, I might be able to reach that goal in another two or so years.  
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
  • I did have some bowel control issues before starting down this road. I have IBS and it can be annoying even in diapers because it can be unpredictable and painful. but I was one of the factors that led me to wanting to wear more. I have always been a Diaper lover since I was a small boy. but the IBS has started only in the past 10 years of my life. 
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
  • Like I said in the control question. I think my bowel control has worsened more then my bladder. If I don't release my bowel as soon as I feel the urge to go it builds up presser so badly that eventually I just go without being able to stop it. and this happens in a matter of 2 to 5 minutes. I even have had more legitimate poopy accidents since I started untraining, but then is it an accident when you plan to go it your pants anyway. 
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
  • no, my incontinence is not in my medical records I plan to go to the doctor this next month for my first in 7 years yearly checkup, and while there I might talk to him about that. I think if it is in my records then if I ever do go to the hospital for some reason (*knocks on wood) they can just look at my records and know that I need to be diapered up. 

this was fun. it gave me a chance to reflect on my untraining right now and where I still need to go with it so far. now back to working on schoolwork like a good boy. lol

[spark]

I didn't answer the untraining, but I had an interesting experience in that regard today.

First of all, I rarely mess my diaper.   Maybe once a month.  But after my breakfast, I was prepping for a slow cooked dinner.   I was browning meat that I would later cook really slow.   I felt this sudden need, but had enough warning to use the potty monster if I wanted it.  Instead I contracted my core and filled my diaper.  Typically when I do that, I change the diaper soon after.  But this time, I waited for 15 minutes because I was cooking.  I had load in my diaper and just kept doing my thing.  

I got the lamb into the oven to cook for 6 hours and finally take care of the dirty diaper.  I think it was the first time I did that.  I remember something that once was said that bowel incontinence will proceed bladder issues.  I cleaned up, showered and put on a fresh diaper to head off to my weekend golf game. 

Typically when I do this, I stay dry for most of the round.  After all I'm in front of friends who I haven't shared this with them. I wear, but I hold off.  Today on the 8th hole I wet my diaper, and continued to wet it through the round.  It wasn't drenched by the end, but I needed to change.   Was accidental?  I don't know.

• How long have you been untraining?
  • At least six years
• How is your control right now?
  • Most of the time I use my diaper I could have use the toilet, but I choose not.  The thing is the decision is becoming almost subliminal now.
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
  • I’m actually happy where I am.  I don’t want to get to the point that I can’t control my bowels.
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
  • Not at all.  I could start and stop my urine stream at will.  I’ve had more issues with bowels, and have pooped my pants in the past
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
  • My control has weakened, but I think that’s because I’ve become acostumed to peeing in a diaper.  I love the feeling when I let go into a diaper.
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
  • Nope.  I’ve been try so hard to get to the point that I feel diapers are a necessity.
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it
  • No.  I’ve never shared this with anybody except for this forum.

[Kaliborio]

I figured I should answer my own questionnaire in the interest of procedural fairness.

Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7? I decided to go into diapers 24/7 in early 2013, after going into them part-time in mid-2012 due to a mix of legitimate concerns about my continence and AB/DL feelings about which I was in denial.

How long have you been in diapers? Continuously, about 8 years. Overall, about 17. I am 27.

Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear? No. I haven't owned any underwear since mid-2013.

Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively? I use my diapers exclusively.

Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.? Yes. The diapering I actually need to wear as a completely incontinent person is considerably higher-performance and bulkier than the diapering I originally wore as a primarily-AB/DL, mostly continent lifestylist. This is a change that I did not foresee and originally was not entirely onboard with. I have had to extensively redesign my wardrobe to accommodate it.

Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers? Not that I can foresee. I am completely and likely intractably incontinent. Even in the event of a cataclysmic breakdown of the supply chain I can't imagine any circumstances under which it would be preferable to have no protection compared to at least some protection.

Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to? Not a chance.

For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless? I was acting in a way that allowed untraining to happen, but wasn't fully aware of that. I didn't come face-to-face with the knowledge until the deterioration of my continence was quite advanced.

How long have you been untraining? Since mid-2012. My bladder control had identifiably weakened by the end of October 2012, so I count the beginning of my untraining to the beginning of that stay in diapers, c. July 2012.

How is your control right now? Nonexistent. I have no control of my bladder or bowels at any time. I have no meaningful awareness of my bladder and relatively limited awareness of my bowels. My most recent attempt at retraining was completely unproductive.

If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they? I had no specific goals, but I am completely and permanently incontinent, so whatever they were, I have reached them.

Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision? Yes and yes. I spent many more years in diapers as a kid than average; I didn't begin to leave them until I was 7. I had to go back into them at 10/11 and didn't start to get out of them until 12 (depending on how you count). I initially went back into diapers partly as a result of a quite genuine incident where I had to hold my bladder longer than I felt confident doing.

If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it? The primary thing I had not previously experienced was bedwetting. While I was regularly wet at night as a young child, I was not a regular bedwetter during my early-adolescent incontinent episode. Realising I was a bedwetter in approximately mid-2013 was an impactful and rather intimidating event; I understood on some level that I would probably never be dry or completely out of diapers again.

Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go? Not anymore. I did try in late 2015 and made some progress, but unfortunately had to stop. Later attempts in 2016, which were my latest attempts so far, were fruitless.

Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described? Yes. It is documented as stress UI, secondary nocturnal enuresis, and urge FI, with little transferable detail or data concerning any given etiology.

Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale? Extremely unlikely. Realistically, I think it is most probably impossible.

[Baby Foo Foo]

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?For me back in my mid 30's I started getting horrendous and debilitating head pain which left me with bladder and bowel incontinence among other things. This really frustrated me in the beginning because the doctors could not really pinpoint what was really going on with me. All I knew was I was having to wear diapers 24/7. Then finally after several years the doctors diagnosed me with a very rare neurological migraine disorder. This diagnosis at least brought clarity to everything and the reason I was in diapers and feeling like a baby. So I began to embrace them and also embracing the feelings of feeling like a baby in them and I started acting more like a baby and wearing more babyish clothing and doing more babyish thing like sucking on a pacifier. Then down the road further I met a women who is also disabled with a totally different disability and she became my roommate and eventually my mommy. 
• How long have you been in diapers? It has been 10 years now
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear? No, Oh lord it certainly has been over 5 years since I have had any underwear. 
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively? I just use diapers because I am fully incontinent.
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.? Not really since this is incontinence related for me. I need the diapers.
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers? No, because I can't as I am incontinent.
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to? I cannot leave diapers because of my disorder. The only way I could is if the doctors reversed the issues I had. 
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless? Since my mid 30's I have had a medical disorder that has left me incontinent to both bladder and bowel.

[Hannah YMS]

I am looking for your input on a range of questions, which all fundamentally boil down to: What has happened?

A whole lot of not a whole lot. Been 24/7 for a little over 12 months and I'm currently at the point where I dribble small amounts for many minutes after voiding. My latest evidence of incontinence is:

• Taking a #2 while airing out and over the course of an hour, I have a US quarter sized wet spot in my shorts (as observed just a few days ago).
• I've also had incontinence issues during and after a UTI (catheter play), but those are not permanent, so this data probably doesn't matter.

If you are wearing 24/7:

• Under what circumstances did you decide to go into diapers 24/7?
  • I have BID (body integrity disorder) and gender dysphoria (less relevant, but may be partially applicable).
    • I'm one of those untrainees that needs to be incontinent.
    • It's something I've desired for many, many years and I have much dysphoria over having control over my bladder and bowels.
    • Every time I have even the slightest hint of incontinence, a strong wave of euphoria comes over me and I feel like the real me.
    • If I could afford any surgery, and find a willing surgeon (ha!), that would guarantee a 100% loss of bladder control, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Alas, I am American, and cash is thin these days.
• How long have you been in diapers?
  • I've been 24/7, with a few hours here and there out of diapers to air out, since 14 November 2020.
  • Before that, I was 18+/7 for around 9-10 years (I would wear during the day but not at night).
  • Before that, sporadic usage of diapers depending on circumstance, mostly when alone and on weekends.
• Do you still own any underwear? If not, how long has it been since you owned underwear?
  • I still own multiple pairs of boxer shorts. I am too cheap to get rid of them. I never use them anymore anyway, but they're there if I need them.
• Do you use your diapers and the toilet, or do you use your diapers exclusively?
  • In general,
    • 100% of the time I use diapers for pee.
    • 20% of the time I use diapers for poo.
      • I'm working on increasing that 20% to 100% over time. Depends on circumstances, mainly.
  • The major thing holding me back is that I wear premium diapers, which cost money, and I have to poo multiple times per day, often within a half-hour after a change or a meal. I have a hard time justifying going poo in a fresh diaper just to change again. So I poo sparingly in my diaper and use the toilet most of the time for that.
  • If money was no issue, I'd never, ever, use the toilet again.
• Since starting 24/7, have you had to make changes or improvements in response to practical pressures you didn't foresee? e.g., switching diaper brands, changing up your wardrobe, etc.?
  • I've been wearing diapers so long that I actually can't remember. I always wear baggy clothing anyway since I'm a bit of a fluffy person, adding diapers and plastic pants with stuffers has never distorted my outline enough to require needing any wardrobe change.
  • I've experimented with different diapers over the years.
    • I first started off using NorthShore ATN diapers, primarily for day and night, back when NorthShore was a fledgling company.
    • When Dry 24/7 was available for me on Amazon Prime (in Alaska), I used those primarily.
    • When Dry 24/7 became unavailable on Prime, I was forced to go with the best economical diaper available to me: Abena L4.
      • I have had a few issues with the L4 over the years, but all in all, they are a great diaper for everyday and night usage if economy is concerned.
    • After I moved away from Alaska back to the lower 48, shipping for a lot more brands of diapers are now free, or less expensive, and they became more available to me, so I'm going to experiment further.
      • At this time, I'm field testing BetterDry, and so far I have an overall positive feeling about them, but they also have a few issues.
      • Next up, I will be field testing NorthShore MEGAMAXes and/or Rearz Inspire+InControl (or another similar Rearz brand).
  • I did eventually learn to wear PUL plastic pants at all times.
    • I wet my diapers to the max on most occasions and I'm always having to dry the lining of my plastic pants due to leaks.
    • Sometimes as light moisture.
    • Sometimes as a heavy sea of pee. Just depends on the circumstance.
    • When I discovered PUL pants, I stopped buying every other type of material pant. PUL is 100% the best solution, I've found. No more vinyl or PVC and no more rubber.
• Are there any circumstances under which you would definitely leave diapers?
  • Short of not being capable of obtaining said diapers, absolutely not. I'm in this for life. No questions asked. If someone can't handle that, they don't need to be in my life.
• Do you think you could easily leave diapers immediately, assuming for some reason you had to?
  • Yes. I am about 3-5% incontinent, give or take. Meaning, not much at all, save for some dribbles.
  • After a few months of no diapers I think I would be back to my original holding pattern, with perhaps more and quicker urgency, but that would even go back to normal eventually.
  • Yes this makes me sad, even after a year.
• For people who aren't untraining, have you had to deal with unexpected continence loss regardless?
  • I am untraining, but I have dealt with a little bit of unexpected urinary and fecal continence loss.
  • I've experienced more fecal continence loss more due to IBS caused by playing with "The Marshmallow Trick" (with butt plugs) every night for 6 years in the past (mallows + bananas).
    • Oh boy, IBS is "real fun!" /s/
      • Do I regret it?
        • Maybe...
          • Maybe...
            • Hmm...

If you are untraining:

• How long have you been untraining?
  • Contiguously: since 14 November 2020.
  • Continentally over the many years: more or less since 2012.
• How is your control right now?
  • 9.5-9.7 out of 10. 10 being excellent.
• If you haven't yet reached your untraining goals, what are they?
  • In order of preference:
    • 100% urge and stress urinary incontinence, 0% bowel incontinence.
      • I want to be forced to wet myself no matter what I do, and know that it's happening and unable to do anything about it.
    • Any form of significant urinary incontinence, drip and dribble or otherwise.
    • Any form of significant bowel incontinence.
      • I wouldn't mind not knowing I am messing, I just don't want the pain and discomfort that IBS gives me on a regular basis.
    • Any form of incontinence at all.
    • Reincarnation.
  • What I have:
    • Moderate drip and dribble post void for 30 minutes; no dripping after that, though, not even at night.
    • Minor fecal loss accumulating around the anal sphincter -- enough to make my ass itchy but not enough for noticeable skidmarks.
      • The cure is to take a baby wipe to the anus and apply some diaper rash cream, if required.
• Did you have any continence issues before you started untraining? If so, do you think they were a factor in your decision?
  • In terms of the scale of total continence at the time I started training, I was more or less 100% continent.
  • As a child and through my teen years I regularly pooped my pants, not because I couldn't hold it, but because I put off going to the toilet until I lost the war with holding it. I have ADHD and possibly autism, so I think it was a focus/concentration issue. At around the age of 11 to 13 I stopped having to clean out poo from my underwear and became skidmark free.
  • I was a chronic bedwetter until the age of 12 or so, followed by a wetting accident every few random years or so. Not enough to be significant.
    • I was never put into diapers by my parents during these years. The truth is, I learned how to do laundry at a very early age and I had to have a rubber sheet on my bed so the mattress wouldn't get ruined. This lasted until I was in high school. No issues after I got into high school.
  • I think in totality, all these factors helped in the decision to go 24/7 and untrain. Despite the fact that I was already an ABDL (since the DPF days), I needed to be incontinent. All of these factors helped in nudging me towards "what have I got to lose?", and on top of feeling dysphoria over the fact that I could control my daytime continence, I decided to finally take the plunge full time and actively start untraining for the 3rd time (this isn't my first rodeo, but this is my longest stint).
• If your control now is definitely worse than it was when you started untraining, how does that feel? For example, if you never had bedwetting or fear wetting or messing accidents before and you have them now, how do you feel, or how have you felt, about it?
  • Scientifically speaking, my control is absolutely more worse than it was when I started, even if negligibly. (I feel awesome about this!)
    • I have higher urgency. (I feel awesome about this!)
    • More bladder discomfort. (Not so great, but in the name of progress, I press on.)
    • Inability to make myself urinate. (Not fun at all. Wish I could just "go" at will, and a lot more frequently than I do.)
      • Which means I have to find that relaxation point in my mind or just let my bladder do its thing without conscious effort.
        • Which is painful at worst, and inconvenient at best. (Don't feel so great about this.)
    • Drip and dribbles post void. (I feel awesome about this!)
    • Weak stream. (If this contributes to incontinence, I'm 100% for it. If not, this is disappointing.)
  • But relatively speaking, I could easily nullify the above mentioned symptoms over just a few weeks to a month of retraining.
    • I don't feel as if I'm past the point of no return.
    • I've untrained and retrained with no issues in the past, however (in)significant.
    • At this moment, this is probably the farthest I've been as this is also the longest I've been contiguously 24/7.
• Do you want to regain lost continence? Have you tried to regain lost continence? How did it go?
  • ABSOLUTELY NOT! No! Dear god, no!
  • I haven't "technically" tried regaining any lost continence, per se, but I have had to drop the 24/7 lifestyle for other reasons in the past and I've regained what I've lost in that time. My previous longest stint going 24/7 being 4 months. I'm now 3x my previous record at just over a year! ❤️ But still unhappy with my results.
• Is your incontinence in your medical records? If you're comfortable sharing, how is it described?
  • No, it is not.
• Do you think that if you tried, you would be able to leave diapers over any timescale?
  • Yes, somewhat easily, honestly. It probably wouldn't be too difficult on a physical level.
    • I would find it uncomfortable at times, physically, but I think I could do it relatively quickly and without too many problems.
  • The mental torture would be very intense though, so in a psychological sense: absolutely not.
    • If you can call this an addiction, then I'm absolutely addicted.
    • I am as mentally dependent on diapers as a physically incontinent person is, just in an opposite way.
      • It just so happens that I also want to be incontinent and absolutely physically dependent on them as well, which I may well be if you can argue that psychology is also physical.

I'm just going to add one more:

• Is there anything you've experienced that lies outside of conventional wisdom during the untraining process?
  • The biggest thing I've encountered in this vein is that as time goes on, it seems my bladder is becoming lazier. As in, I can find myself late at night not knowing that I have a full bladder, then feeling the urge to go, and when I notice it I try to go, I can't. I stand up, I sit down, I walk around, I breath, I concentrate, and nothing happens. It's only after 10-20 minutes of these acrobatics that I can somehow trick my brain into tricking my bladder into releasing, and usually it's a torrential flood, not a squirt or two, and then many minutes of post void dribble with a very weak stream. I haven't figured this out yet. I could be wrong, but I think @Enthusi or @Eido experienced the same thing. Is that right you guys?
    • Aside: has anyone else found this to be the case? If so, please let me know!

Thanks for the questions, Kali. This was fun. Hope this all helps. Cheers!

Edited November 25, 2021 by jonbearab
Grammar and additional info.