Hannah YMS

When I read that you went without a retrieval line, my immediate thought was "Dude, be careful with that!" And then I see you joined the club. Sorry to hear that man. Hopefully your surgeon can get it out without issue. Anyway, welcome to the club! I'll never, ever, make that mistake again.

How's that possible?

Sorry to hear you're having a hard time there, @Veg. I've been trying to untrain since late 2020 and I'm still no farther along than I was until after I developed post void dribble and reduced range and urgency. Sleep wetting is still very intermittent and rarely happens. Unlike others, I've not yet developed low volume frequent voids so I still flood a lot. For the past 7 months or so I've been shortcutting a lot by using stents because the stress of not yet experiencing "genuine incontinence" has gotten tiresome. I've also tried hypnosis and a few other tricks over the years to no avail. You're not alone in feeling like you're not making much progress, even after a year or more of trying. If you figure out anything that helps you, please let us know, because I'd certainly be interested. Hang in there man.

I was going to mention this but @oznl beat me to it. Here's a video link for you that explains the process, and is the technique I regularly use to get myself going.

I guess @DAQ is right, I forget that nearly all my friends know I wear diapers and some close family knows as well. But in general, like in public or at work, no one knows

That's not how gender confirming surgery works for trans women. The penis is inverted, not cut off. The surgery can disrupt pelvic floor function to the point of incontinence, but it's not the "cutting off your dick" part that does it. Yeesh. Have some empathy, dude.

I am on the lame aspect of this spectrum, even after all these years of untraining. All I have to truly deal with is Post Void Dribble and the occasional sleep wetting after a long night of drinking. I don't have too many humbling experiences as I don't yet have a "legitimate need" to wear diapers in general. It's hard to accept that I definitely have a psychological need for diapers, but that doesn't seem to fly in the face of actual incontinence, so I pretend that I need them and that is that. In general, no one knows I wear diapers except for my wife. And my wife demands I wear all the time. So I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. Please the wife? Yes! Do I technically need them? Debatable. Some might say yes, others say no. At this point, I'm so far gone that it's out of my hands anyway. 😆

My honest opinion? You contradict yourself here. On one hand, you state "I don't really want to address the issue now since I started wearing diapers and I like it." and on the other hand you state "I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a urologist out of curiosity to know what's causing the OAB and leakage and to have it in my medical records so I don't have to explain to future medical professionals." You can't have it both ways. What's important for you is you don't have to tell them that "you like it." If you don't want the issue brought up, just say you have OAB and that you wear diapers to cope with the situation. If you do want the issue brought up and for them to address it and to figure out what is going on, that will require tests and a probable diagnosis from a urologist. OAB and incontinence is generally understood as a symptom and not a diagnosis in and of itself. What I think you want is to both sweep it under the rug, medically, and also for it to be known you wear diapers for OAB. You'll just have to pick one. If you are worried that your doctor is going to judge you in some way, then you'll have to think critically on this. If you do have OAB and you can show it somehow, they'll diagnose your condition appropriately and won't judge you for it. If you do have OAB and you don't want them to address it, you can just state that you don't want them to address it and that you wear diapers for safetey and security. They won't press the issue. At the same time, if you wear a diaper to your appointment and if they notice you are wearing and they bring it up, you may have to answer one way or another. If you are too worried what they will think, just don't wear a diaper and chance that you may have an accident. If accidents are inevitable, well, that's your call whether you wear or not. Your doctor is the last person who will judge you for wearing diapers if it's something you do need to do. Just don't be surprised if they ask you about it. And when asked, your answer as to why you are wearing a diaper will either deflect or make them inquire further. The response is up to you. So do you want to know why you have OAB or not? If so, just be truthful and upfront. If not, give a benign answer that will not require any further inquiry. A doctor's job is to diagnose and help you with any distressing symptoms you have. They really don't have the time to pursue superfluous inquiries that will lead nowhere.

I think you are being fed anti-transgender propaganda. Here's an article, which links a study, from Harvard, explaining that sex change operations performed on youth are next to non-existent. It is very rare for a young trans kid to get any kind of gender affirming surgeries. https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/ Luckily for you, there's a non-surgical solution for you that won't affect sexual function. You can achieve what you want by obtaining Post Void Dribble. That means you are unable to effectively stop urinating (a few drops to 10s of milliliters) shortly after urinating. There's some residual urine you end up leaking, even after thinking you got it all out. Good news is, this is easy to obtain, but it takes time. All you have to do is start untraining like normal. Wear diapers 24/7, never hold it, always release and let go. After about 4-6 months or so, you'll have your Post Void Dribble, which satisfies the condition you mentioned above: "I'd be satisfied even if it was a few drops a day." Voila, uncontrollable urine loss and a need to always be diapered. I have Post Void Dribble myself and I either have to wear a diaper to stop leaking on me, or I have to face the fact that some urine lands in my pants. Win-win, right?

How about a Google Doc? Anyone with a link can view, and maybe suggest changes. Use an alternate Gmail account if you don't want to show your main one. That's what I'd do.

Hmm, I suppose I could try parsing out some useful information to share with others. I've also been thinking of making a video series showing how to make a stent in detail and showing how to solve the common problems like folding a piece of silicone in on itself (seems to be the hardest part). That'll take some time though and I need to find a new video editor to insert some text in the video. I'll keep this in mind.

I'd say this thread has a lot of useful information, if you know how to parse it. FetLife, from my experience, has a few gems in the groups, but nothing like this, especially for temporary incontinence and stents. You'll just have to read through 66 pages of this to find the golden bits.

Same. I wasn't put under. Just some nice injections and a nerve wracking hour later I had my wisdom teeth out, lol. I think this just depends on the doctor. I live in America and I wasn't put under for my wisdom teeth pulling.

My next question is: why do you need to be catheterized? If it was a series of injections, I imagine it would be an outpatient procedure and you'd go home the same day. Did your surgeon make bladder neck and sphincter incisions?

My understanding is that botox doesn't really work and would cause urine retention (perhaps that was botox in the bladder muscle itself and not in the bladder neck or external sphincter). I'm interested to hear how this goes for you, perhaps you can shatter the understanding I've gathered over time.

I agree that if @cathdiap wishes to cease giving advice in the manufacture and usage of stents, that's his prerogative and his right to do so. But I object to the notion that "people taking extreme risks is unacceptable". Last I checked, if it can be done by someone in the human race, it will be done. Murphy's law and all that. You chose to partake in this extreme, unacceptable, risk, yet you report further on your findings. If these risks are unacceptable, why are you doing it? It's because we have free agency to choose to take these risks. I'm all for putting in bold print "there are extreme risks involved in doing this", but claiming that it is unacceptable? By whom? Those that see it as unacceptable will not partake. For those of us who are willing to take those risks, I say, go for it, but be warned. Let's not forget that for many, desiring to be incontinent is simply unacceptable, yet here we are.

I disagree with deleting this topic. People are allowed to take their own risks. One (or a few) person's failure to do due diligence does not rest on your shoulders. Keeping topics like this alive, as well as the horror stories that come with it, serves as not only education for those that are for this topic, but also for those that are against. Censorship is unbecoming of a free society. You might as well have the entire Incontinent-Desires subforum deleted if this is the case. This isn't on you @cathdiap. Feel free to stop posting about making stents, but I hope @DailyDi does not delete this topic. A new topic, or discussion on another thread, is going to happen regardless if that happens. If people care to read this thread in its (partial) entirety, there are many mentions of cautions to this practice, as well as cautionary tales. People are going to do what they do and there's nothing you can do about it other than to warn others that follow in our paths. Again, what happened to me, @Loveable_guy, @NappiSam, and others is our own, consensual, choice, and not a reflection on you personally.

I won't lie, I've started thinking about it...

Why is it taking so long? For my first ER stay, I only waited 10 hours. My second time, they sent me home and my procedure was scheduled a week out. Maybe your stent is situated in a way that they deem emergent enough to warrant a hospital stay in case you can't urinate, but taking their time to fit you in? Do you have an ETA at least?

Like @Elfy and @Little BabyDoll Christine have mentioned, you're in for a rough ride. Even if you managed to convince a doctor and your insurance company to prescribe and provide you diapers, you'll be wholly disappointed. You have to fight like hell to get even half way decent diapers. It's just not worth the time, the effort, and the money you'll be paying out the nose for tests and a false diagnosis. And if they find out you lied to get them, expect a long stay at a comfortable resort usually filled with guards, criminals, humiliation, shitty food, recorded phone calls, expensive commissary, and concrete walls with no sunshine. (This is called insurance fraud. In the US, prison sentences are long for insurance fraud.) Good luck, but don't be surprised when you hit 100 obstacles for what would amount to be paper towels or bunking with Bubba.

I've at least been making progress in the process. These days I make sure I'm adequately diapered for bed and when I need to void in the middle of the night, I can usually groggily wake up, go (without adjusting much, if at all), and go back to sleep. I still leak in bed but I'm getting to the point where it's bothering me less, but even after all that, not much progress in sleeping while wetting. Thanks Enthusi, I'll continue to stay the course! ✊

That's what ironic in my mind. I reliably sleep wet clear up until I was 12 years old, but perhaps the shame of having to deal with it all those years clenched me up permanently! I can't be sure. I have wet in my sleep a handful of times since then, and even while untraining, but alcohol is usually involved when it does happen.

Unfortunately, I know the ER experience twice over. I never had it lodged just before my meatus, but pulled a dumb and decided to try stents without a proper retrieval line. Needless to say, I'll never make that mistake again. The pain of a lost stent does not compare to the embarrassment. It's far more humiliating to have to explain yourself over and over again and then just counting down the minutes where you can go back home and hopefully never see those fine folks ever again. At least here in the US, it is illegal for doctors to give back from what they remove from inside your body, so that depends on where you are at in the world. I only know this because I asked 😆

I put holes in my top arm anyway, as it can't hurt. I don't feel any extra irritation and not having the holes allows for the possibility of the bladder to stop the top arm's drainage. I noticed in one of your photosets that you put a hole in the bottom part of the top arm that touches the bladder. That might be where you're feeling irritation. I put a hold about 2-3 mm in diameter in the top and sides of the top arm, just after the inner silicone tubing and I don't have any issues.

That's understandable. I think you can still write a guide on the focus points you've implemented, especially the psychological hacks, but a 200 page comprehensive guide on everything to do with untraining I think is more for mental (and, frankly, physical) stimulation for the reader than anything else. After all these years, I think it's really just as simple as listed above.