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It's Friday morning, it's sunny out, spring is here and life is generally good.  I just wanted to take a second to say to everyone, god bless all of you on this fine day, and god bless the American president Donald Trump. I think he's great and I wanted to express that without fear of judgment or hate.  I hope you all have a wonderful day even if you disagree with me.

I love you all. God bless

 

 

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I disagree with one part of your message, but respect your opinions and wish you a great day!

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18 minutes ago, DailyDi said:

I disagree with one part of your message, but respect your opinions and wish you a great day!

You, sir, are an extraordinary person. Thank you very much for creating this site and managing it, in the way that you do.  

Thank you very much, for your previous statement and for everything that you do here.

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Yikes.

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Someone has been drinking

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42 minutes ago, Dubious said:

Someone has been drinking

Actually I haven't had a drop of alcohol in about 5 years.

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Good for you, Brudda. And I hope you have a good day, too.

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3 hours ago, Brudda Voodu said:

 

Actually I haven't had a drop of alcohol in about 5 years.

You don't go to church then?

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1 hour ago, Dubious said:

You don't go to church then?

Actually I am not a Christian and it's only Catholics that drink wine for communion, to my knowledge.  I noticed that you make a lot of assumptions. I am happy to answer any questions you may have about my religion or alcohol use. You need only ask, and I hope you have a lovely day.  

As a side note, recovering alcoholics or anyone who does not want to consume alcohol are welcome to any religious services I have been to. No one forces anyone to consume alcohol in any religion I am aware of.

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8 hours ago, Brudda Voodu said:

I just wanted to take a second to say to everyone, god bless all of you on this fine day, and god bless the American president Donald Trump. I think he's great and I wanted to express that without fear of judgment or hate. 

 

Posting unsolicited opinions on religion and politics, and expecting it to go well.

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Thanks for your positive message to try and brighten our day!  I've often felt people can go about their day grumpy and argue with people (and in turn they are miserable themselves) or they can go about with a smile on their face, make the people around them feel good and they are in a better healthier mood themselves.  I might add God Bless Barak Obama and his family in keeping with the theme of this thread and not trying to start any political controversy.  I also reiterate Brudda Voodu when I say I hope you all have a wonderful day even if you disagree with me.

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23 minutes ago, rusty pins said:

Thanks for your positive message to try and brighten our day!  I've often felt people can go about their day grumpy and argue with people (and in turn they are miserable themselves) or they can go about with a smile on their face, make the people around them feel good and they are in a better healthier mood themselves.  I might add God Bless Barak Obama and his family in keeping with the theme of this thread and not trying to start any political controversy.  I also reiterate Brudda Voodu when I say I hope you all have a wonderful day even if you disagree with me.

Heck yeah dude!  I love Barak Obama too.  That man had some real charisma, he was a very good public speaker.  I'm sure folks would like to pigeon hole me into some kind of group, but I have respect for those that carry themselves with dignity and respect.  

I love this place because simply put, I am one of you, whether folks like that or not.  I know what it's like to have this psychology all my life.  That alone makes me feel empathetic to all the good people here.  Even though I'm different than many of you, I appreciate the heck out of all of you, and just want to show some respect and love to everyone in here.

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Ooohh, a possable centerist on here? Am I dreaming? Someone with a ballenced unbias thought process actually on DD???

Thank you god!! I'm not the only one!

And you sir have a great happy day for it is great to live another day on a solid rock floating around a plasma furnace!

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18 hours ago, MegaChar said:

Ooohh, a possable centerist on here? Am I dreaming? Someone with a ballenced unbias thought process actually on DD???

Thank you god!! I'm not the only one!

And you sir have a great happy day for it is great to live another day on a solid rock floating around a plasma furnace!

You know it's funny....I never bothered to look into the validity (or even the claims) of conservative or right leaning people until I witnessed some very poor behavior from people on the left.  For a minor example: I kept hearing people use the word Nazi (in protests, media and social media) to describe many people, it became apparent to me that many folks did not know what a Nazi was.  I have read my history and been to the museums, I know what a Nazi looks like, and there are more blind, left handed Dentists named, Larry, in America than there are Nazi's.  People are forgetting what country took a stand against Nazi's (who killed 10's of Millions) Communists (who killed 100's of millions) and slavery. I'm not sure why the common narrative is that America is bad and tradition is bad, I think life is better for everyone now than it was 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago.  

 I'd like to say I admire many great leaders who follow a more left leaning version of leadership.  In modern leadership  I think Obama spoke with a silver tongue, and Trump speaks with the eloquence of a New York cabby.  Obama was good at international diplomacy, but not international trade.  Trump is the inverse.  I thought several of Obama's decisions were poor and left parts of the world in more chaos than when he left it.  Since Trump took office ISIS forces are almost wiped out,  I like that very much :) While I don't agree with all his policy I like multiple stances Trump has taken.  I wont get into specifics about policy, because I feel that is where conversation could get greasy, and I don't wish to offend.  

Please keep in mind I feel everyone here has the right to think I'm a fool and disagree with me.  These are just my opinions and I don't feel it's necessary for anyone else to share them.  I wish you all well, and hope everyone has a great day :)

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1 hour ago, Brudda Voodu said:

People are forgetting what country took a stand against Nazi's (who killed 10's of Millions) Communists (who killed 100's of millions) and slavery

I'm not sure America has any right to claim it took a stand against slavery. It took a civil war to end it and even then it took many, many years to get civil rights, even now there are certainly questions to be asked about racism in America.

Whilst it would be easier to argue about the Nazis and Communists there are still problems, especially with the former. America entered the war late, they supplied the UK but at the cost of everything the British had. I'm not saying they weren't entitled to charge as much as they wanted for their supplies but it hardly represents taking a stand. Right up until the day before Pearl Harbour the Americans wouldn't get involved militarily and a politician committing to sending troops to Europe would not be popular. Granted when they entered it helped shift the balance of the war firmly against the Germans but the Soviets were already turning the war around themselves.

I won't argue about the communist part because I agree that America did take a stand along with western Europe but a lot of that was based more on geography than anything else.

When people refer to others as Nazis they rarely mean they think the person is an actual National Socialist but are referring to them having far-right beliefs. A bit like how a lot of people who hold socialist views are called "commies" despite it not being a fitting term. The world in general is in a lot of trouble at the moment due to the far-right shift throughout Europe and America.

Speaking as a historian I'm very worried. There are a lot of parallels between the world today and the 1930s. I can't see a way at the moment for politics to calm down and we are witnessing the rise of people being elected on ballots of intolerance and hatred. Trump is one example of that along with the rise of parties like ERG (basically a party within a party in the UK), AfD, Bolosanaro (might have messed up the spelling), Le Pen and Erdogan. There is a lot of fear about where this is heading which fuels the rhetoric on both sides. We are seeing the consequences with more people ignoring experts and science to listen to pleas to emotion. Climate change is impossible to ignore or argue that we aren't affecting it and yet nothing is being done with evidence that it may be too late, anti-vaxxers have taken hold bringing diseases that were basically no longer a problem back, we have brexit which everyone knows will make the country worse, Trump's wall which would be hilarious if not for the depressing fact that seemingly half the USA think it'll do anything...

People have every right to be scared of the right at the moment, especially if you are a minority. After many years of progress we are rapidly slipping backwards into old ways that I had hoped we'd left behind.

I'm trying not to get involved in the politics of the posts above (and probably failing) and focusing on the history. I'm a History graduate, I enjoy talking about it!

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4 hours ago, Elfy said:

After many years of progress we are rapidly slipping backwards into old ways that I had hoped we'd left behind.

I don't know all that much about UK politics, but at least in the US the number of people who are against the president's views far outweigh the number of people in support.

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7 hours ago, Elfy said:

Speaking as a historian I'm very worried. There are a lot of parallels between the world today and the 1930s. I can't see a way at the moment for politics to calm down and we are witnessing the rise of people being elected on ballots of intolerance and hatred.

Very well put. What I see in a lot of today's social and political movements has probably always pervaded them, and that is deceit. There's a public face and a more hard-line private face all around. Everyone sees somebody as an enemy, then twists their thinking to place undue blame on them to justify their own extreme positions. Nobody wants to believe that they to are part of the cause of the problems we have now because that would mean they would have to change and they don't want to do that. Nobody wants to stand up and say "Enough!" to the structure we've created that is going to end up killing us all. Nobody wants to admit that we're collectively being stupid in not learning from the past as we try the same failed paths over and over expecting a different outcome this time 'round.

Humans are doomed unless we change our ways- of that I am certain. Because unlike with the last global conflict, we're starting out with the means to destroy everything and that ability has reached to people who refuse to change their wrongful ways and traditions. Including the US. If we somehow manage to not nuke ourselves into oblivion we're going to destroy ourselves through our refusal to end all forms of hatred and prejudice in everything it exists in. An old friend told me that if he had the ability, he would destroy all humanity including himself and leave this planet to the rest of nature to enjoy as the best means of saving the Earth and creating goodness. The longer I live the more I'm inclined to think he was right about that. It's not something I could do but if it were to happen I'd see no injustice or wrong in it. That's a pretty sad statement of ourselves when it doesn't have to be that way isn't it?

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These are some very detailed and well thought posts, Elfy and Bettypooh. I appreciate your perspective and your candor. Thank you very much for taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings in such a civilized and respectful manner.  I enjoyed reading through both of your posts. I hope today finds both of you well 😀

 

 

 

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On 4/6/2019 at 9:11 PM, Brudda Voodu said:

I'm sure folks would like to pigeon hole me into some kind of group, but I have respect for those that carry themselves with dignity and respect.

I stand for your right to not only have your own opinion but the right to voice it. I too do not agree with it however.

Since you started this conversation maybe you could take a moment to explain to me how our current occupant of the White House carries himself with dignity and respect.

Hugs,

Freta

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17 hours ago, FretaBWet said:

I stand for your right to not only have your own opinion but the right to voice it. I too do not agree with it however.

Since you started this conversation maybe you could take a moment to explain to me how our current occupant of the White House carries himself with dignity and respect.

Hugs,

Freta

I appreciate your question and I fully understand why you would ask it.I don't want to get into specifics because I feel it may cause this conversation to degenerate into an argument, which is not my intention.

I feel that the way President Trump carries himself and speaks is similar to a fighter.  If you can make your opponent lose control of their emotions, they become less effective.  Often his opposition (political and civilian) becomes irrational in their arguments simply because they are so angry. This is just a small example of a trait I admire in the President.  I think that having him as the President, will cause many people to rethink an idea.  The idea that government is the solution to most of life's issues.  Personally I think people need to take accountability for their lives and their communities if they want them to thrive.  I don't think you can't throw tax money at issues and sit back and hope they go away. Now that the leader of the USA is a person of whom many dislike, perhaps people will start to feel it's not effective to ask an institution to fix social issues.  Social issues must be fixed by social values, if you think the government instills social values, than I'm afraid I would disagree with you.

I recognize that I live in a world of 7 billion people. That means there are a lot of people who disagree with me.  What I think would really help everyone in the long run, is learning to listen and live with people who disagree with our perspectives.  I see a lot of people wishing they could control the thoughts and opinions of other people, they are trying to "control the world" but that is an impossible task.  

What scares me about the future is the potential loss of free speech.  Demanding the silencing of opinions (even offensive ones) gives the idea's more power and mystic than if you simply disagreed and walked on.  If you don't let fools speak, how do you know who the fools are?  The immortal words of, Evelyn Beatrice Hall, capture what i am trying to say nicely  " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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3 hours ago, Brudda Voodu said:

Social issues must be fixed by social values, if you think the government instills social values, than I'm afraid I would disagree with you.

That is not always the case. Consider the issue of slavery. It took the power of the government (US, AUS, UK...) to correct this concept that one person could possess another. 

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 That depends on what "the government" means to you. Whether you think it's an all-powerful Leviathan that uses people as a tool to reach its goals and makes decisions with no consideration for the people's will, or whether the people are  the ones who hold the power, and the government is the tool here, being used  to reach society's goals.

I'd say with most governments, it's somewhere in between. Except North Korea I guess.

One thing's for sure, to whichever end of the spectrum the specific government is closer, it didn't just appear out of nowhere, dead set on improving or ruining peoples lives. Someone is responsible.

The decisions of governments to abolish slavery didn't come out of the blue either. Some very intelligent, enlightened people, ones that had to be recognized by the general public, and who had to gain its respect as an authority, in order to get into high positions in society, where what they had say about slavery (which was that it is immoral and ultimately detrimental to society) would have any impact at all, must have come from the society itself, and if they haven't had a widespread support, all their intelligence and enlightenment wouldn't have changed anything. If Abraham Lincoln was the only person in the USA to think slavery is a wrong thing, he wouldn't have been able to do a thing about it. 

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Not wanting to rock the boat but I was afraid this would turn into a political argument and debate.  I myself may not like who is in office at anyone time but I also try and see both sides of any story.  There have been some I liked that have things I didn't like about them, and some I hate but have had a few good ideas I agree with.  Sometimes the sum of the likes are out weighed by the total of the dislikes.  One thing I have learned in my 60+ years is it's pointless to argue with someone of opposite ideas, especially in politics.  Those ideas are deeply rooted and usually it's only a small percentage that sits on the fence and can swing one way or the other.  You can have a person like Hitler who murdered all the Jews but if he is against abortion (which, by the way I am too), you will have tons of people voting for him just because of that one position he takes.  It's like the guy who robs a different store or bank every day, beats people up and takes all their money.  You will have some people who will say, "He's a thief, sure, but isn't he a hard worker and good at what he does?"
 

Maybe we should just leave this conversation as it was intended, a friendly "Good morning and God bless everyone" and while we might say, "God Bless Trump, Obama, Bill and Hillary, George H Bush and Jimmy Carter, lets leave it at that and not argue weather they are right or wrong and why.  We all have our opinions and we will never change the opinions of others.  How people end up voting in the elections is the best indicator of how the nation feels about their elected officials.

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On 4/15/2019 at 8:39 AM, Brudda Voodu said:

I recognize that I live in a world of 7 billion people. That means there are a lot of people who disagree with me.  What I think would really help everyone in the long run, is learning to listen and live with people who disagree with our perspectives.  I see a lot of people wishing they could control the thoughts and opinions of other people, they are trying to "control the world" but that is an impossible task.  

What scares me about the future is the potential loss of free speech.  Demanding the silencing of opinions (even offensive ones) gives the idea's more power and mystic than if you simply disagreed and walked on.  If you don't let fools speak, how do you know who the fools are?  The immortal words of, Evelyn Beatrice Hall, capture what i am trying to say nicely  " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

i tend to think people need to hear a thought i picked up, not sure where i got it but it could be useful,,"the Lord gave us 2 ears and 1 mouth, so we can listen twice as much as we speak", i might have phrased it wrong, but i think it gets the idea across

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2 hours ago, feralfreak said:

i tend to think people need to hear a thought i picked up, not sure where i got it but it could be useful,,"the Lord gave us 2 ears and 1 mouth, so we can listen twice as much as we speak", i might have phrased it wrong, but i think it gets the idea across

Judge Judy says that a lot when she is trying to speak to someone in her court room and they keep interrupting her.  "God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason".

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