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Agree with the two edged sword. Having trained myself back to sleep-wetting in my mid-20's, I felt much more comfortable with myself, as there was a "reason" to my wearing diapers, and in fact, I "had" to wear diapers. Of course, when life happened, I got married, kids, etc., there are certainly time when I wish that I hadn't done that. In fact, I tried twice, unsuccessfully, to get dry again. So it's a life now of diapers anytime I might fall asleep, and managing that. Given the "acceptance" aspect to the topic, the (third?) edge is that of acceptance of my spouse. She has fully accepted the situation, to the point where she expects me to be wearing protection pretty much anytime it might be a problem, including, for instance, watching TV when I might fall asleep. A lock into the dependency can certainly happen, and be very difficult to un-lock.

Um. Ok. Yes? I taught/trained myself something new... that releasing the bladder when sleeping is fine. That is indeed new knowledge that I practiced as an adult? I can only give my anecdotal answer, which is that I will possibly wet sometime after I fall asleep, but not when I'm awake. Can I prove it? Um, I have 20 years of personal experience, but, as you said, I "will not provide citation for one to claim as 'fake news' etc." Not sure if this is relevant or not. You're making the claim that it's common, but refusing to substantiate that claim? That was the question I was asking... _why_ do you claim that it's a common progression? Ok? Not sure how that relates to the conversation or claim that _if_ one trains one's self to wet while asleep that: On what basis do you make that claim?

"[Citation Needed]" While I think that the path you lay out may be the fantasy, I don't see the reality of what your saying play out either in my life, where I trained myself back to sleep-wetting, or from when I talk to other adults who sleep wet. While I may wet anytime I fall asleep, be it bed, chair, or car, I have had zero issues while awake. While that's a "n=1" case, I also don't hear stories of adult who are "natural" enuretics experiencing unusual daytime problems?

Are you saying that because pointing up leads to leaks? Better diapers help that... maybe this is your body telling you that you should be in cloth diapers at night!

There are a lot of... claims... there. All I can say is that I trained myself to be a bedwetter over 20 years ago, in my mid-twenties. It took time, of course, but I convinced my brain that it's ok to pee when ever and where ever I am. If I fall asleep, or nap, there's a good chance I'll wet. I have tried to reverse that twice, actively trying to become dry at night. Both times failed. So far (20+ years...) I have had no issues during the day in the form of wetting or messing. So, I guess I can only say that the claim that everyone who re-trains bedwetting will had day-time wetting and messing problems is not accurate, at least for n=1. So I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

I wrote about these in the 'Bondage' subforum. They can be used to keep cloth diapers on, but as the cloth stretches they aren't all that effective. They work better to secure onesies or clothing over the diapers... I've also used them through a cloth belt to keep pants on. So many other options too! Without the magnetic 'key' they're pretty much impossible to remove.

Hmmm... while I see what you're trying to say, i think that in my opinion you take it too far... When at home, I wear cloth diapers and they work well. I'm familiar with what they can do, and how to get them to work well, with only rare leaks. When I'm traveling I wear disposables. As a side-sleeper, they are much less reliable for me, even with plastic pants. Leaks are not unexpected. Although I have a thin bedpad that I carry, I haven't found one that reliably will stay in place over night, and I tend to move a lot, so it's not impossible that the leak will be onto the bed, despite efforts. Bottom line... I've been traveling as a bed wetter for 20+ years, and leaks happen. As a responsible person who knows the limitations of all the precautions I take, I'd rather give them the option to help protect their property... and some do, and some don't. But it's not a 'getting your jollies' thing...

A very good friend of mine in the age range you indicate in your profile recently went through a difficult situation, where a serious infection due to a prostate biopsy gone bad left him temporarily incontinent, and not just the "a few drips" kind of incontinent. Not being the kind of guy to avoid social events due to such an inconvenience, he let a few of us know that he was having some "man problems" as a result of the situation, and he hoped we'd not make a big deal of it. Rather than others ribbing him or giving him a hard time, he got a few us us on his side, and nothing happened. He didn't know about my situation, and while I considered 'coming out' to him about my bedwetting, I ended up choosing not to. It took a few months, as the infection had buried well into his prostate and was apparently drug-resistant, but as far as I know he has recovered. Point here... I agree with others that the likelyhood of your keeping a secret are small (to non-existent) on this kind of trip. Getting out ahead of it with a, "I just want to let you know I'm having some 'man problems'... don't get old, haha... but I would appreciate not making a big deal of it..." might end up getting a little support and heading any comments off before loud questions start being asked in a bar...

In the 'before times' I traveled a lot for work... "a lot" meaning United 1K, so I've had my share of experiences. I always travel diapered, first because I want to :), but also because I will wet in my sleep pretty much anywhere, and I'll usually fall asleep on the plane. If it's an international trip and I'm jet lagged, I might fall asleep anywhere. So, whether I "want" to or not, a diaper is usually warranted. I'll wear something thinner (Molicare Super Air Premium used to be my go-to) for short flights or ground travel, and something a lot thicker (Betterdry, or 24/7, or such) If I'm settling in for a trans-continental flight. I've found the US (with TSA-Pre) usually the easiest to get through. I rarely have any issues at all wearing disposable and a onesie. Asian airports... no one cares at all. I don't think I've ever been bothered going through China, Korea, Japan, India, etc. They're mostly concerned with keeping the lines moving. European airports are where I've had the most problems, in particular Frankfurt for some reason... several times there I've had had to whisper "Windel" to the security person as they poked, prodded, and tried to figure out what the bulk was. Of course, no one I knew or cared about was there, so I was able to easily just carry on once things were straightened out.

I'm enjoying this! Only suggestion might be to slow down, add more details around the events, build the characters, etc. Or not.

Can you give a pointer to the kinds of shapewear that works for you? Is it high-waisted? With or without leg/thigh coverage? onesie-like, over the shoulders? I'm interested in looking into something like that when I have to wear a disposable for traveling, but a perusal of the amazons doesn't show me something I'd think would work very well... As for the cloth liner in a disposable... experimentation a few years ago showed that they help wicking or spreading a lot, but in the end I decided that both paying for the disposable and having to do the wash was a double waste, so just went the full cloth route (I just have to use them for sleep wetting.) The times where I'd be using a disposable would be traveling or such where laundry wasn't viable anyway. I'm curious how the bamboo diaper liners work...

I forget if you've said where you're headed on this trip... but shipping a package to yourself at the hotel has worked for me before, and gets around the whole 'what's in that second bag' question. I've also been lucky sometimes and found a place with an Amazon locker near the hotel, allowing easy discreet pickup locally of supplies. Dealing with sharing a room... well, I've always just said no... and I dealt with the associated costs... but that's me.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PDLWL65 Duvet clips. Basically tiny little magnetic clips that you can't remove without the magnet key. They're small enough that they can be used to secure a onesie... or pajamas... or cloth diapers...

I also answered in the other thread... I had untrained myself for bedwetting, and then when my life situation changed (got married, had a kid), I made a significant and conscious effort to re-train after about 12 years of bedwetting. Over the course of a year, during which my daughter graduated from diapers with no issues, I made every effort, talking to doctors (no, I didn't tell them the root cause...), trying alarms, medication, behavioral changes, and so on. Everything that one would do to try to help a bedwetting child, and then some. Several times I thought I was successful. My bedwetting tends to be kind of bursty anyway, so a week of dry nights can look like success... until things re-start. It was frustrating because after a few dry nights I'd stop wearing a diaper, which would be fine for a few days... maybe a week or two... until I'd restart wetting, typically at a most inopportune time. A wet bed in a hotel was kind of the final straw. At some point, we realized that I was pretty much going to be wearing a diaper anytime I "might" wet where I didn't want to risk it (hotels, airplanes, other travel, and so on), so the additional effort of just wearing any time (while sleeping) at home was low... and the medications, wake-up alarms, dehydrating me, and so on, weren't helping my physical or mental health. So, after about a year, efforts tapered off. I was pretty much wearing a diaper anytime I might fall asleep anyway, just in case, so I just stopped trying so hard, stopped taking the medications, stopped waking up twice during the night to use the toilet, and so on. I remember feeling better... the lack of sleep and dehydration had been taking a large toll. Several time since then I've made smaller efforts, but nothing as concerted or long-lasting. At this point I've pretty much come to expect that it's not reversible.

Yeah, as someone who returned to bedwetting... it was a weird moment when I was sitting in my recliner watching football and my wife threw a diaper in my lap and told me to get the diaper on, because I had fallen asleep on the couch and wet the previous week. Being told I "had" to put a diaper on because it was expected by my wife that I needed it was... an interesting feeling.

I'll state what I think is obvious... having a touch of reality often makes a story far more compelling and interesting, as it makes it much easier to connect with the characters. Given the nature of this story and it's connection to recent events (fiction in "Hand Maiden's Tale" and recent Supreme Court news), though, "nudge-nudge hahaha" becomes "nudge-nudge. um. gulp". Perhaps things start to hit a little too close to home for some people... I do very much .... well, not sure enjoy is the right word... appreciate?... the world you're building and the characters, and I'm very interested to see where you take this story over the arcs, and I hope you continue to update it here...

Golf clap. Nicely done.

In the first post it appears you have some sort of cut and paste issue... Beyond that, I'm enjoying this, and am curious to see where it goes!

I've had two run-ins with the medical world since I re-trained sleep wetting. The first time was for a more major 'surprise' visit to the hospital. By the time I had a chance to mention something, it was in reaction to a wet bed, where I had to tell the poor nurse that no, it was not the first time, and was a problem with which in fact I was well acquainted. I mentioned that I usually wore some... urm... protection at home to deal with it, and asked in a drugged-mumbly-emabarrased way if there was something they could provide. The first nurse just said not to worry about it and that they'd change the bedsheets as needed, since I wasn't what they considered to be incontinent and they didn't want to put me on a four hour change schedule and so on. The next day, having had the sheets changed twice more (I was just laying in bed... sleeping...) my wife talked to the day nurse and they agreed that it would be ok if I managed it with supplies from home. With my leg in the condition in was in, it was hard for me to manage changes, so they helped a minimal amount, mostly to make sure I could do what I needed to do without messing up my leg. The second was an outpatient surgery. My wife, being the helpful one at my consultation meeting, asked the nurse what I should do about it, and the nurse said that it was rare, but not unheard of, for patients to wet while under anesthetic, and it would not be a bad idea to wear whatever I wore at home and was comfortable with. I wore a boring basic disposable, but didn't wet. Anyway... in my limited experience, when it was planned for, it wasn't a big deal at all. When it wasn't planned for, other things were way more important.

Sorry to go back in time a little, but I'm just catching up. Love to read your writing, @oznl, but I don't always get to read it promptly. "For N=1", as they say... I've been saying that the "conventional wisdom" is wrong here for a while. My experience was that it's quite possible to develop (go back to?) sleep wetting, without changing daytime habits at all. I think it's a matter of your sleeping brain being ok with letting the floodgates open, and that behavior has little or nothing to do with any daytime behaviors, or anything physiological. I do whole-heartedly agree, though, that once that Rubicon is crossed, as you said, it's extraordinarily difficult to go back. I tried, with all the tools I had, to regain control while sleeping over a two-plus year time frame and failed miserably. Granted, I tried to revert after 10+ years sleep-wetting, but still. Didn't happen. Close to 10 years after that effort, still hasn't happened. There's a whole lot of individual stuff here, of course, so one person's experience is unlikely to be like another's. But it's perfectly possible to lose night-time control, have no issues during the day, and (so far) be unable to regain control... maybe not for everyone, but the "conventional wisdom" of, "that never happens" is... urm... not correct. Keep up your updates. I very much enjoy your writing style and following you on your journey!

I made myself a sleep wetter over 20 years ago. I had full control when I started, and it took maybe a little over a year before I would wet while sleeping more often than that. About 12 years later I tried to stop. I worked hard at it for a close to a year, using all the 'normal' steps one would use with a child and bedwetting, and never really got anywhere. I still have a good chance of wetting anytime I sleep, wherever I sleep. I never tried for daytime incontinence, and never had any unintentional issues with that, so maybe not exactly the question you're asking, but might be a useful datapoint.

Yup, was going to say this. Bulky cloth might be fun at first, but it's much harder to deal with. For my bed wetting I use multiple thinner diapers which can be folded to be more effective, as well as washed and dried much more easily. Get a few different cloth products to try, and then spend the $$$ once you figure out what works for you!

Interesting! I like the story so far.

Ok, the rest was really good (as always), but that imagery made me laugh. Really, laugh. Kudos. You're such an excellent writer!

Interesting premise... I'm curious about what happens next as well!