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  1. GabeG23, it really depends on how 'able' you are. To answer your question, I will split it in to four - With Wet diaper overnight / day long period (3+ hours), have a shower at the change OR as soon as possible. Baby wipes can clean the area but can do more damage as the skin is weak and the wipes can cause rash and/or make a rash worse. With Messy diaper overnight / day long period (3+ hours), have a shower at the change. The acid in poop can really damage the skin. Also, the poop smell is in the skin and a wipe really cant clean the area properly. With Wet diaper short periods (less than 3 hours), baby wipes are ideal for this type of change, but make sure that all the skin that is covered by the diaper is cleaned, not just the bit that got wet. With Messy diaper short periods (less than 3 hours), baby wipes can be used, but it is not ideal. If you are at home / shower convenient, have a shower. If you are out, the shower can be delayed until your next change at home. If the poop is caustic (you will know as you will feel the rash etc), the quicker you change the diaper, the better, but be careful at the area of the rash with the baby wipes. If you rub too hard this will exagerate the rash. Diaper creme will protect this area until you get a chance to wash the area with luke warm water. Depending on your schedule, it is advisable to have a shower twice a day, first one after breakfast (not a good idea for your body / skin to jump out of bed into a hot shower. Your skin needs time to wake up also - try a luke warm / cold shower after breakfast), and second warm one before bed. If you have a hand held shower, you can hose (luke warm) your diaper area at each change (if possible). This not only cleans the area completely, it also saves you on the cost of baby wipes etc. Pad the area dry and then let it air our for about 10 minutes before putting on a fresh diaper. If you have a rash, put creme on same now. Baby powder should only be used between your thighs and the diaper (to avoid friction rash) NOT inside the diaper. See https://www.dailydiapers.com/board/index.php?/topic/15595-incontinence-cause-myths-vs-reality/&do=findComment&comment=1646571 What is more important in skin care is to control the hair in your diaper area. It is a good idea to keep it short - ie use an electric hair trimmer (not a razor as it would make the hair too short and cause ingrowing hairs. Also, a razor scrapes the skin and exposes new partially developed skin. That skin is very susceptible to rash)
  2. * PARTIALY COMPLETED - When completed, I will move this to another thread 'Myths and Lies we still believe today' I created this tread to dispell myths. Is seems to me from comments here, and from the ABDL fantasy stories, that there are many other myths and lies that we now believe that have its origins in the lies told to us / our parents / grandparents by adverts etc.... 1. Baby Powder placed inside a diaper keeps the baby dry for longer. FALSE: Baby powder inside the diaper absorbs wetness, clumps together, sticks to the skin and prevents the diaper from doing its jon - to keep the wetness from the skin. The wet clumps of powder causes rash where it is stuck to the skin. It was J&J that suggested that baby powder be used in the diaper at each diaper change (to increase the sale of same to gulible consumers). 2. Baby Powder keeps your baby smelling baby fresh all day. FALSE: J&J added the scent to normal corn-starch to create the 'baby' fresh smell stating that a baby will always smell fresh with J&J powder. Fresh urine does not smell. A baby on breast milk does not have the bacteria to create the 'sour smell' in its poop. As a result, a baby (of the era of baby powder) does NOT emit a smell.
  3. All in the medical industry see all different types. A diaper is nothing unusual to them. After some operations, some paitents are placed in a diaper that they wet and soil, are changed and cleaned up long before they every wake up. It is a breach of ethics, professional misconduct and a struck-off offence if a medial persons discusses anything about your care with an other person unless it is in your best interest. A dentist is part of this group, and if s/he sees you wearing diapers, not only will he not say anything, he can't. It is not up to him to address and/or care for your continence. However, if after the dental treatment, in recovery, s/he and/or his/her nurse sees that the diaper is soiled, they may get it addressed OR inform you / your career* to do same. The career I am referring to is the person that you have organised to take you home after the dental treatment. (Most dentists will require their paitent to have a support person / career to ensure that you get home safely after some treatments - it is to mitigate their obligation to your health and safety) If that is the case with you, be prepared for your career to have to change you. If you want to / need to wear diapers at a dental visit, bring a change. Lidocaine / xylocaine / lignocaine / procaine / novocaine (the dental anaesthetic) last about 30-90 minutes depending on the dose / person. The speed of disipation is based on the bodies ability to remove same from the system. For some, (and us members here are high risk due to our behaviour / belief re diapers etc), it can also effect continence either directly - these drugs increase the heart rate and spread the drug to triggered nerve / muscle cells. This can numb the external sphincter which can relax. They also increase the process within the kidneys as same try to remove the drug from the system. This increases the acidicy and urine content within the bladder which can, in some, trigger voiding. The factors that are in question are the functionality of dilution of a drug and how efficient that one can perform that task. In an operation, it is the job of the anesthetist to 'keep you under' during the operation. S/he controls the amount of the anaesthetic entering your body and monitors you closely during the procedure. Each person behaves differently to anaesthesia, so the anaesthetic has to be altered accordingly.
  4. What people may not know about reverting to full time diaper usage is the energy it saves. To wet while asleep is to reduce / stop completely the production of vasprospressin. The side effect of this is that urine is highly diluted and the bladder fills (and empties autonomically) multiple times. As a result, the inner bladder walls do not need to repair the mild acidic damage and/or stretch to contain a 8-10 hour (500ml - 800ml volumn). As a result, one can fall into a much deeper and more relaxing sleep. To facilitate the above, cloth diapers are advised as they seem to be the only type that can reliably contain these quanties with side sleepers and sleepers that move around. Cloth diapers can be made thicker without the compaction required of multiple disposable inserts. The bulk between ones legs physically remind the wearer of their dress that they wore as an infant. In our mind, the size difference between us now and that as an infant does not exist. The relative proportions we are aware of, so wearing a diaper that is as large on us in the same proportion to our size as a diaper is on a baby / infant, convinces us to behave accordingly. When we revert to full incontinence, we stop using the energy to reduce bladder content (chemically), stop withholding the urine and stretching the bladder, stop withholding our bowels and allowing that to stretch (expand), stop forcing fully our lower intestine to reprocess digested food (stops the reverse perastatic action of the lower intestine), stop placing fecal bacteria from our bowels into our lower intestines, and generally improve our health. Early humans were forrest dwellers where bladder and bowel continence was not required. What was required was speed and response, and carring ones pee / poop until a place could be found to place in would be carrying extra weight that could slow one down. The flight response causes one to void and vomit. One can see this in certain animals, when placed in a threat situation, they regurgitate the contents of their stomach and void bladder / bowels to reduce their weight so that they can escape. Continence is a trained response for house dwelling. It is us trying to change genitics and nature to suit our whims. Even diapers / nappies were the French and English aristocracy hiding the fact that babies wet/mess. Infants were originally wrapped in linen / cotton that were changed weekly. (The infant would wet/mess in this and stay in it for weeks at a time) When they got older, they were allowed to run around naked. (this process is still carried out in some countries) Other countries used to wrap the bottom in large leaves. The roman Toga used to have a type of diaper embedded in same. As did the Thai zootzu. Other cultures used to either wrap the area to prevent voiding / leave the area open. Many behaviours and cultures we adopt today is copying the whims of English & French aristocracy - ie the lower/middle classes trying to be upper class by mimicing the aristocracy and/or church.
  5. "Embarassed when answering the door in diaper".... Why would you have a door in your diaper? Sorry, couldn't help it Delivery staff see much worse that that. You are not that important to delivery staff. They usually forget about you and move on. They are really too buzy to care If you were wearing the complete ensemble dressed as a baby, then you might be worth a second glance In reality, on early morning calls to people, it is normal to see most, except the extremely paranoid / night workers, in some form of bed clothes. Them wearing a dressing gown / bath robe that is closed properely is a rare occurance as most people do not tie same properely. Also, it is how you handle the situation to what people actually see. Since it is difficult at a glance to notice the difference between a white diaper and white underwear via a crack in a dressing gown / bath robe, who is to confirm that a diaper was actually seen? The world percieves so strongly that middle aged adults do not wear diapers, most can not see what is straight in front of them. The concept of magic trives on the perception of people. We actually want to be fooled, and with wearing diapers older than 18/20 years of age, since we (and the world) percieve that we are the only ones, (apart from the anonynous group on the internet), we decieve ourselves. Lets say that this delivery driver did see your wet diaper and was fully aware of what it was. Does it really matter? Will you ever see him/her again? If so, will he/she remember it was you? Is he/she liable to talk about it to his friends / family? If so, why do you care. You don't know them and he/she doesn't know you. Think - you are not the only one in the world to need diapers overnight. I do not worry that you know that I need diapers 24/7/365 .... why should you care that I now that you wear them? Other possibility is that he/she wears him/herself OR wants to wear same. He/she might ask you for your help OR he/she might now go on the net to find adult diapers. Where is the problem? Issues / problems to us are created by our own imagination to be the most extreme and worst for us. What is the worst situation that can logically happen from one delivery driver possibly seeing one of us in a wet diaper via a glance in the gap of a dressing gown / bath robe. He/she cannot tell another with the possiblility of it getting back to you - that would be an invaision of your privacy. Even if he told someone that is critical in your life - you can easily, when asked, state that you were on certain medication at that time which had the side effect of night bladder leakage... and that he/she invaded your privacy. That will reverse the situation to your advantage.
  6. Anal dialation can cause bowel incontinence, but not on its own. Bowel continence is primarily dependant on diet The more processed foods we consume, the more constipated we become = anal leakage The more pureed natural food we consume added to increased fluid intake, the less ability the anal sphincter can hold back the flow Anal dialation can stretch the sphincter making it less capable of holding back the flow. The anal canal consists of two sphincters, internal and external, one inside the other, one under contious control, one under subcontious control. Sealing is achieved similar to a non-inflated new balloon neck. If we insert a straw into a balloon, we can inflate the balloon slowly. During this time, there will be no air leakage until the balloon gets to a level where the balloon needs to expand. Subcontiously, when this happens within the bowels, the internal anal sphincter closes. Contiously, the external sphincter closes also, but as the pressure increases, the internal anal sphincter relaxes. With a stretched sphincters, it can reduce the sealing effect of the internal anal sphincter with little to no pressure. As a result, there will be anal lekage before the pressure starts to rise as more poop is placed into the bowels. Yes, I am aware that some people experienced with anal play, have stretched their butt with little to no side effect. Done right, one could stretch ones butt large enough to fit ones head in same... with zero anal leakage... but done wrong, permanant dammage can easily be achieved. Please people, before playing, research the subject. Get the information at first and protect yourself.
  7. These toilet tests is focusing your contious mind on your sphincter functions. As a result, it will not pass onto the autonomic subcontious control. Loss of bowel control, or more correctly termed as autonomic bowel control requires good diet and hydration. Other items that assist is nullo / activated charcoal - to eleminate the smell; cod liver oil / fish oil - to lubricate the anal canal, reduces the sensation of messing; petrolum jelly in ones butt - gives the feeling that you are already messy. As a result, unless one can finely feel when they mess / remember when they mess, one is unaware contiously that you did mess until a diaper change. This passes messing directly to subcontious / autonomic control / reflex action. Once either bladder or bowel is autonomic, the body, in a way to conserve energy, will reduce the production of vasprossen during times of rest = wet and messy diapers during sleep. Good luck in your endevours, and stop testing yourself. The sooner you stop focusing / testing your bladder / bowel control, the sooner the mind automates the process. A diaper dependant baby does not focus on its bladder / bowel needs nor the state of its diaper / bed / clothes. If a babies body needs to void, it does without intervention reguardless of the state of the babies bed / clothes / diaper / or even if the baby is wearing a diaper or not or wherever the baby is or whatever it is doing. In a baby, voiding is a fully an autonomic (reflex) process.
  8. dipper, go see a good doctor / urologist. They can check out your sphincter function and if it is torn / damaged. It might have a hole in it that is causing the incontinence. If it is retrained / damaged beyond repair, pull-ups will be able to handle that. "Oh my god, if it's going to take years to retrain" - that is if it is feasible. Adult urine production is 800~2000ml per 24 hours (average) = 33~83ml per hour which is 50ml mean per hour. You stated that you needed to void 3 times in a 2 hour period. Therefore, 2 hour production 66~166ml. Using the high figure, 166, divide that by three, it gives your bladder capacity at 55ml max (approx) before you void. Even the lightest inserts can handle that, but you may need to train your body not to hold / dribble. 'Progressing to pee every 15 minutes' is an advantage rather than a disadvantage. Therefore, you void in quantities of 20ml every fifteen minutes rather than 83ml every hour, or 300~400ml every four hours. Thin inserts can handle upto 100ml, which means that you need to change every 45mins to an hour. Thicker inserts handle 200-300ml, which will last you 2-3 hours if you are voiding in 20ml blocks or less. However, if you are voiding in 200-300ml blocks, a pad / diaper can easily get overloaded trying to absorb that amount in one go.
  9. Re - bedwetting (secondary nocturnal enuresis) is fully obtainable, but it does have side effects. One of the chemicals that is released during 'down time' is vasopressin which is an antidiuretic hormone and a nine amino acid peptide. The production of this hormone allows one to sleep without filling ones bladder to the need of voiding. We also release this hormone when we are tired / winding down / relaxing and not only during times of deep sleep. As a result, wetting while in ones' own bed asleep is a very specific set of circumstances that can be achieved via hypnosis and training - otherwise, one needs to be diapered / wearing pull-ups 24/7 to catch the times that we relax and void by reflex. Re - OP / Trained incontinence and 100-200ml bladder volumn before reflex voiding. Dipper, I am sorry to state that it seems to me that your bladder has lost its elasticity = does not stretch / expand before voiding. This will take a number of years to reverse (3-5 years), and requires the same type of training one employed when training a toddler : Nothing worn below the waist, and going to the bathroom every 30 mins, day 1, increase the frequency by 5mins per day (day 2, every 35 mins; day 3 every 40 mins etc) until the bladder relearns to stretch and the sphincters can withhold. Unfortunately, this regime is not condusive to the time demands of an adult - where he/she needs to interact outside ones own home. You admit that you had to void 3 times in a 2 hour period = max 40 mins holding time. In your case, dipper, you are now bladder incontinent which means diapers 24/7/365. You have the choice on whether you retrain yourself to be pull-up dependant or stay as you are. I doubt that you will ever get to the stage that you can reliably go without protection. Another thing to be aware of is the state of repair of your sphincters. I suspect that your internal urinary sphincter is in working order, but your external urinary sphincter is damaged. That alone would cause you to void as soon as 100-200ml urine enters your bladder. The size of a relaxed unstretched empty bladder is different for everyone, and as soon as the bladder fills to the point in needs to stretch, the internal sphincter can open autonomically. Usually the external urinary sphincter locks closed - via contious control by sending the signal 'not to open' since the stretch sensors tell same to relax (open) when triggered by the stretching of the bladder. If this is situation , in your case, I suspect then that you will never regain control without some form of surgery - artifical sphincter. Catheter play can damage urinary sphincters beyond repair. Even in this case, one will need to wear protection 24/7/365 and leave same open in the evenings etc. Secondly, an artificial sphincter does effect, in males, sexual function. All the above, I suggest that you communicate with your doctor in full. It might be better, in your case, to bite the bullet, and wear pull-ups / diapers 24/7/365 and change as need be. TO ALL: Infantile dependance on diapers 24/7/365 IS JUST THAT. An infant / baby, needs to be in diapers 24/7/365. Otherwise, there will be pee and poop on everything. The infant/baby does not intervene in its bodies needs - it lets it happen out of every orrifice and expects you to clean it up. An infant will wet and mess in a diaper and keep doing it. It does not try and hold anything even if the diaper is full and leaking everywhere. Parents here have seen their baby / child happliy playing with their poop after they took off their own diaper overnight / first thing in the morning. If you train yourself to be diaper dependant, be sure that you are wearing a diaper 24/7/365. That is what it means. Yes, we all feel sympathy to dipper, but like us all, choices have consequences, most are permanant and irreversible.
  10. WBxx a lot of adult diaper companies advertise their product as 'full mat'. The difference is the amount of padding within the diaper. A part mat diaper padding is rectangular in shape with no padding on the wings either at front or rear. There are many tricks that the companies use to disquise this - ie 'flexible' / breathable wings etc. Examples are Inspire Rearz , Dry 24/7, Seni Briefs, Abena Breifs In full mat diapers, the padding extends to include the front and rear wings. Examples include First Quality Prevail and Tranquility ATN amongst others. These are the type of diapers required for overnight / wheelchair users etc where the absorbancy and coverage is complete and not in the rectangle under the centre of the body. With a side sleeper, without the padding on the wings of the diaper, the diaper WILL leak. The reality it that more and more manufacturers are producing the 'part mat' diaper with the excuse that it is 'better for you' 'healthier' amongst others.
  11. A fissure is a tear / medical name for a cut. A Lateral internal sphincterotomy is the procedure where the anal sphincter muscle is cut to reduce the resting pressure on same - i.e. it makes anal sphincter weaker. This can assist in the healing of severe anal fissures by reducing the tension across the skin at the site of the tear(s), but usually it is not an elective procedure. The healing time is complicated by the fact that there is now two 'cuts' to heal instead of one. Secondly, there is a high chance of infection. For patients with anal fissures, the first thing that is done is diet is changed - to increase the water content in stool and to increase the voiding frequency. This stops fissures occuring and allows for natural healing. If the fissures do not heal, under a local, the fissures would be sewn (similar to a cut on the outside of the body) If your medical team have suggested lateral internal sphincterotomy, have all previous processes to address same failed? In another post, you questioned in relation to a bacterial infection on the perineum. If that is still active, I strongly suggest that you tell your medical team before the surgery.
  12. In relation to remembering things to do, get yourself a small notepad and pencil - one small enough to fit into your pocket and use same to write a to-do list on. In relation to diapers vs pull-ups.... you have already decided that diapers are needed, so pack two bags - camera bags or laptop bags, which ever you wish... and leave one in your hall, and one in your car on the floor behind the drivers seat. In the boot, place a packed gym bag. Laptop / camera bag contents - 2-3 diapers (minimum), wipes, diaper bags, diaper cream. Gym Bag Contents - 8+ diapers; 2 pack of wipes; spare box of diaper bags; diaper cream; roll of refuse bags; full change of clothes including socks & shoes. The gym bag stays in the boot of your car and is there if you need a full change. The laptop / camera bag you carry around with you almost 24/7. In that (outside pocket), you can keep your wallet, car keys, notebook, pen etc. As a result, you will always have a diaper change with you when you need it, and you will always have your wallet, car / house keys, notepad (to-do list), pen, phone etc with you. Re: Do doctors stock diapers for you to change into - the answer is both yes and no. Some do but you do not want to use those diapers as they are usually the cheap thin junk version that won't last.
  13. What you have is a bacterial infection. Normal diaper rash will start to heal over 24/48 hours. This infection needs something stronger and you will need to see your doctor. The type of rash comes from both urine and the friction of a diaper breaking down the top layer of skin. It can also occur due to the urine soaking into the base of your hair folicles and mixing with sweat. Baby wipes etc are not cleaning the skin well enough. You will need a mild soap and warm water between changes, and rinse the area well. Also, you may need an antibiotic. This type of infection can scar the dermis and needs to be treated before it gets deeper. I had the same a number of years ago, and it took over 2 months to clear up, and that is with antibiotics. Get over your over your 'shyness' / 'wishfull thinking' towards your dermatologist. She is the best person to deal with this for you.
  14. There are three types of incontinent products / pads / slips.... DIAPERS (lets call a spade a spade) Type A The adult diapers that are sold in normal retail (supermarkets / hypermarkets etc) are designed to fulfill a need - the need for the retailer to make as much profit from the non-talked about adult need for diapers. Due to the subject being taboo, these retailers can make the product as junk as possible and still have a market. Type B The adult diaper sold to institutes (hopsiptals / care homes etc) where the manufacturer wants to comply with the typical analysts' needs - ie the product is changed as soon as it is wet / soiled. As a result, capacity is not a major concern. These products are designed to allow as much air reach the skin 24/7/365 and collect soil on a very tight cost per article. This tends to suit administrators / stock controllers / order clerks where they look at quantity vs cost rather than functionality. When these people look at functionality, they are asking a doctor / head nurse who, for insurance purposes, suggest that changes happen every hour or less. Type C This is the type that is sold to the end user directly. AB/DLs require bulk and absorbancy. Wheelchair users / non mobile, since their crotch area is hidden, also want absorbancy and do not care whether the diaper is bulky. A few adult diaper companies have targeted this market since the tend to get this type of customer for life. What the mobile person is looking for is a body fitting diaper that is absorbant enough to last 4 to 6 hours without leaks, and small enough to be able to be folded into a small bag / large purse etc. P&G / Kimberly Clarke etc have done the research to create similar for babies, and have released some of the technology to the adult diaper manufacturers. However, not all the technology is available. As a result, there are multiple types that suit at different times... Pull-ups : Thin and body hugging - decent absorbancy - difficult to change without getting fully stripped. Belted: Thicker than pull-ups and bulk can be noticed - more absorbant, but then to droop - easy to change while standing. Part mat Diaper: Thicker and body hugging until soaked - daytime ok - overnight poor (leaks at sides) - needs experience to diaper oneself standing - large even folded up, so need diaper bag etc. Full mat Diaper: Thick and bulky - daytime noticable, better for overnight - needs experience to diaper oneself standing - large even folded up, so need diaper bag etc. As a result - it really depends on ones incontinence level to what 'protection' one needs Post void dribble = pad / pull-up Urgency = pull-up / belted garment (thin belted garment better if change as soon as wet) Multiple urgency / constant slow dribble = Part mat diaper (daytime) full mat diaper night Liquid leaking from bowel = thin belted garment change as soon as soiled Semi solid bowel = Part mat diaper (daytime) full mat diaper night Reflex* bladder and/or bowel = Part mat diaper (daytime) full mat diaper night *Reflex = soils during / shortly after food and/or drink Any form of overflow (bladder and/or bowel) requires a full mat diaper that can handle two full wettings / messings. Otherwise, you will be in a situation where you will leak. Remember, diapers of any type need a slight change in your wardrobe. - Longer t-shirts / shirts / tops that you wear NOT tucked in - ie the extra material covers your diaper area. - Jackets that are free-flowing at the waist - Baggy shorts / trousers / longer knee-length / ankle-lenght skirts (for those who wear skirts). The looser you wear your clothes creates illusions :- 1. No longer look / exagerate ones fat. 2.Anything that is tight to the body (like a diaper) is not shown. 3. Free flowing clothes on a person tend to enhance ones look. It also gives the image that this person is confident.