Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder discontinued, I need your help

[crawling-in-diapers]

I'm pretty much devastated that J&J has decided to discontinue a product I've grown up with all my life. I literally have lost interest in diapers because I was so attached to the nostalgic smell of J&J baby powder. There were even dating talk shows that talked about men putting a little behind the ears for their female friends.  It brought back so  many memory's in my life. I understand the legal issues, and I don't mind them going to a starch based product, but their new cornstarch products no longer have the same classic baby powder scent. I'm asking those of you who loved the classic scent to email Johnson & Johnson and ask them to bring back the scent in their new cornstarch products. Please don't mention the AB/DL community because people don't understand it like we do and it could get the request thrown out. The mission is the get the classic scent back in their new cornstarch powder.

When 'I' emailed their marketing department, I mentioned a few things.

1. The fact that only 22 people accused them of their baby powder causing their cancer (though there is no real proof and we don't know what those woman did with the powder), That is a 0.00005 ...something percent of the population just in the US. The lawsuit was ridiculous, there is no proof.
2. I mentioned that all the women I know in my life who were diapered with this product, including people much older then me never got cancer.
3. I asked if they could please bring the classic scent back into their cornstarch product, and said that it is not fair to all the customers in the world who loved and supported your product.

 

NOTHING will get done if people don't take the time to email them and fill out the support form.

https://www.johnsonsbaby.com/contact-us

 

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

You are a wee bit late on this. It was repoarted at the same time as the first Trump impeachment that the AMA found now substantial link between talc, as normally used, and cancer Here is another link for you to look at. I brought this up almost immediately after the decision to discontinue. This is just trial lawyers and political correctness run amok with their bullying. Even libertarians such as David Brudnoy have long said lawyers, as court officers of some kind should be on a state salary so that this kind of abuse is put to a stop and justice would be taken off the auction block

They and no qualms about consulting the AMA in the issue of secondhand smoke.So let us hear what they have to say on this matter

https://www.ajmc.com/view/jama-study-finds-no-link-between-talc-powder-ovarian-cancer

[BabyJune]

Baby powder cannot use talc in its products, but if I'm correct, they now use corn starch to replace talc. I use J&J baby powder all the time.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Just now, BabyJune said:

Baby powder cannot use talc in its products, but if I'm correct, they now use corn starch to replace talc. I use J&J baby powder all the time.

Yes, but when we had a choice, which one did you use?

[Cruiser 03]

I suspect this is coke marketing, as in the return of "coca cola classic"it was financially rewarding for the company to manipulate the public into buying up the regular old coke ,dropped sales for a few months and then reintroduced the old product with another financial rocket ride. J &J can do the same game with scent,playing customers against themselves.

 

[warpiper]

When we had a choice, I still used the corn starch, because the talc caused excessive drying on my skin. Also, I stopped using it in anything, including on my bicycle, when I heard about the cancer link. 

[Little Sherri]

We can still get the talc-based J&J classic scent baby powder here in Canada, at least for the moment. Canada is a bit of a trek for someone in California, and right now the borders are still closed, but, once things (hopefully) relax later this year, you could make a run up to BC and buy a bunch of them. 

We also have the cornstarch version, and I believe that it smells the same - they do have a lilac version as well, but I've seen them in the classic pink. I haven't actually done a back-to-back comparison as to if the smell is identical, but up here, they make a bunch of stuff that smells like that - diaper creams and lotions and baby oil and baby shampoo. I can't imagine them not offering the same scent in their new cornstarch formulation. 

[Babyqtboy]

You can still get the classic Johnson & Johnson baby powder on Amazon through third party sellers, probably out of Canada. It will cost you more though, 22 dollars for a 3 pack of the 22oz container. I personally stocked up myself and bought 10 of the 3 packs, since there doesn’t seem to be a link between talc and cancer in men

[~Brian~]

17 hours ago, crawling-in-diapers said:

I'm pretty much devastated that J&J has decided to discontinue a product I've grown up with all my life. I literally have lost interest in diapers because I was so attached to the nostalgic smell of J&J baby powder. There were even dating talk shows that talked about men putting a little behind the ears for their female friends.  It brought back so  many memory's in my life. I understand the legal issues, and I don't mind them going to a starch based product, but their new cornstarch products no longer have the same classic baby powder scent. I'm asking those of you who loved the classic scent to email Johnson & Johnson and ask them to bring back the scent in their new cornstarch products. Please don't mention the AB/DL community because people don't understand it like we do and it could get the request thrown out. The mission is the get the classic scent back in their new cornstarch powder.

When 'I' emailed their marketing department, I mentioned a few things.

1. The fact that only 22 people accused them of their baby powder causing their cancer (though there is no real proof and we don't know what those woman did with the powder), That is a 0.00005 ...something percent of the population just in the US. The lawsuit was ridiculous, there is no proof.
2. I mentioned that all the women I know in my life who were diapered with this product, including people much older then me never got cancer.
3. I asked if they could please bring the classic scent back into their cornstarch product, and said that it is not fair to all the customers in the world who loved and supported your product.

 

NOTHING will get done if people don't take the time to email them and fill out the support form.

https://www.johnsonsbaby.com/contact-us

 

@crawling-in-diapers

I don't think that J&J discontinued making baby powder.  This is because they still have the product, but it may be that they stopped making TALC, but I doubt that they have stopped making J&J Powders with CORNSTARCH - so that is still available, so you may just need to see if they have that scent available in the cornstarch

Good Luck!

Brian

[diaperguy85]

cornstarch works fine for me. i even make my own scented powder by buying cornstarch at the super market, putting it in a much larger jar with several q-tips dipped in whatever smelly-stuff i want/have. lid it up and shake the hell out of it a few times a day for a week or more, and custom scented powder! works just as fine as store-bought, and i can make it smell (or not smell) however i want to!

i'm sure you can find cosmetic talc somewhere online and use that. i don't know if you can imbue scents into talc, but it may be worth a shot. i remember somewhere sold little bottles of baby powder scent. worst case scenario, you have some unscented powder lol

[crawling-in-diapers]

Did anyone even read what I said in the original post?

Everyone went wayyyyy off the subject. I'm not concerned with cornstarch vers Telc, or the lawsuit.  All I care about is getting the same smell/scent back into their new cornstarch products. I asked if people would consider emailing J&J to request them to bring the scent back. Anyway, the chances of J&J bringing the Telc powder back is very slim, because the public believes the fake news too much and sales will remain down. That was the reason they stopped producing it in the first place. They said, "Sales declined" so we discontinued it. So we can probably forget the telc cumming back. I just want the scent back.

 

@Babyqtboy

Canada and the US were the first two places mentioned as being discontinued. The supply will run out and be gone. Ebay sellers are going to rape us on the price if they have any left.

@Brian

I never said they stopped making baby powder. I said they stopped making baby powder with the same scent as the original classic smell.

 

This is a nightmare. It seems the older I get, everything great in my life goes away. It started way back in the 90s when the (thick and strong) Attends diapers got bought out by J&J and were changed to a garbage diaper like wallgreens brand. Every time something is good, Food, a product, ect.. it gets changed or discontinued. If the community is unwilling to email J&J to request they return the same scent, at least in the new cornstarch products, you can kiss it goodby for good.

[BabyJune]

23 hours ago, Little Christine said:

Yes, but when we had a choice, which one did you use?

I can't tell the difference, actually. Our family has used both without any issues.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The smell different. The talc has the traditional baby scent and they feel different, the talk is softer and feels less dry and the cornstarch feels somewnat like very fine dist

[rusty pins]

Not saying cornstarch is bad or talc is bad, but what gets me is how much the fetish has control of some people to the point they would rather take a chance on getting possibly life threatening cancer just to continue with a scented baby powder that some studies show may be linked to cancer.  To each their own, and I agree if J&J takes talc based powder off the market based on studies showing a possible or probable link to cancer, I see no reason why they can't make the same scented powder with their corn starch, since they already seem to be making corn starch baby powder.  Just add the same scent.  For me, I value my health more than I do my fetish for diapers and if I have to give a part of it up or make a change due to the possibility of getting cancer, that is a no brainer!

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The cancer scare was debunked by the Journal of the American Medical Assoc. a year ago, which report I heard myself but it was oversahdowed by the first Trump impeachment, as I pointed out earlier Besides which, it was limited in any practical degree to females. Also, the still sell the talc in other countries

The cornstarge powder does not have the same scent as the talkc, it is a bit more flowery than traditional baby scented

[crawling-in-diapers]

Ok, first off. Talc is a mineral, mixed with cornstarch in baby powder. It has nothing to do with the scent of the powder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talc

With that out of the way: I've been trying to research the core perfumes in the classic J & J baby powder. According to something I found on google, a recepe says it's:

    4 drops of Vanilla.
    2 drops of Geranium.
    2 drops of Rosewood.
    1 drop of Ylang Ylang.

I've ordered all 4 and will test it. I'm trying to contact a few perfumers / Aromatherapy company's to analyze the perfumes. On a side note: One post I found on the net in the quote below says:

 

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Everyone can recognize the fragrance of a Johnson & Johnson's baby powder from far off, its so ubiquitous that essentially J&J brand is recognized worldwide just because of their sweet-smelling baby powder.

Keeping that apart, the fragrances which constitutes the baby powder has been a subject of unending speculations for years now, as it has been a closely guarded secret by J&J putting it on par with the KFC's secret recipe.

But it has not stopped certain Aromatherapists to break down the fragrances down to the last one, although it cannot be said for sure but a majority of aromatherapists agree on the fact that the two key fragrance notes are, Rose and Vanilla notes, which are imparted by the 0.2% mix of fragrant oils, the other 99.8% being the odorless Corn Starch (and not Talc).

Some of the other theories regarding the fragrance notes also suggest Tonka Beans/Blackberry notes as well but it has not been appropriately substantiated.

By the way, I still need people's help contacting Johnson & Johnson Please request for them to add the classic scent back into their new cornstarch products.

[ValentinesStuff]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KH45B8Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

These are great, not sure how close they are to J&J though. Pay attention to the scent though.

 

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Arm & Hammer makes a great anti-perspirent scent called Powder Frish

As for J&Jbaby powder, it seems the opnly place you can't get it is in the Land of the Free and the Ome of the Brave. Perhaps our Canadian friends can help. See what Ebay has to offer. Given the JAMA's proof of the baselessness of that claim, why there has not been some legal action under Abuse of Process taken against the perps, I have no idea

While Dreft has gone over to the Dark Side for some unkonw cause. The Dreft Plissfuls are a very babyish scent, a bit on the girlish side, which I use in BabyDoll (scroll down to the main body) Just how long they will stay properly scented, I do not know

[KyleABDL]

my understanding is talc couldnt be heat treated to kill off any asbestos.

this isnt an issue in of itself for health concerns as the amount was drastically low, but above federal regulations all the same. and above J&J's claim of 0 asbestos in their product.

and asbestos is a known carcinogenic compound. this was J&J's nail in the coffin.

but the reason the individuals were able to successfully sue for damages was because of J&J's gross negligence AND attempted coverup to claim it was safe and it had asbestos below certain levels. lieing about the product.

ultimately theres just no cheap way to remove trace asbestos without ruining the product in the process (which would be heat treatment) 

so they swapped to corn starch and got their butts sued for being proven liars about their product.

electing for corn starch because their image of being a safe product was rapidly evaporating in the publics eye as cancerous and dangerous to inhale and being deemed unsafe for babies. by the public, not federal or science regulations.

so its not that they DID get cancer from using the powder, but that they COULD have.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Was it really a successful suit or just a settlement

Second, see my link to the JAMA article, which was also in the news, which I heard myself, during the first Trumlp impeacheent and stayed under the radar. Besides whinc, being ovarian cancer, it could only apply to females, who would be free not to use it. So there may be a sex discrimination case. Also, it could be used for other things like foot powder

This appears to be more a case of predatory legal practice by making the stakes so high that they "buy the pot" bu using a form of leverage by intimidation. which should be cited for Abuse of Process and the Real Thing ought to be available from Canada  or elswhere

 

[KyleABDL]

1 hour ago, Little Christine said:

Was it really a successful suit or just a settlement

Second, see my link to the JAMA article, which was also in the news, which I heard myself, during the first Trumlp impeacheent and stayed under the radar. Besides whinc, being ovarian cancer, it could only apply to females, who would be free not to use it. So there may be a sex discrimination case. Also, it could be used for other things like foot powder

This appears to be more a case of predatory legal practice by making the stakes so high that they "buy the pot" bu using a form of leverage by intimidation. which should be cited for Abuse of Process and the Real Thing ought to be available from Canada  or elswhere

 

yup, i read it and i agree with the science. the link just isnt there to say that talc definitivley causes cancer.

the issue is the amount is above FDA regulations, and you cant make false claims about your product. J&J would have to write contains asbestos on their label and in what parts or quantity. FDA would have the authority to stop production until asbestos levels were brought down to match the claim of 0. which im sure J&J couldn't do.

and i do believe J&J settled out of court with each of these individuals for an undisclosed amount out of fear of a class action lawsuit against parents everywhere.

heres a more recent news article pertaining to current litigation.  but that doesnt really interest me. i just like the science =D

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.asbestos.com/news/2021/02/24/johnsons-billions-talc-settlements/amp/

 

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The Asbestos issue is far more complex. There are a number of asbestos types; I believe 5. The 1960 study that showed a link between asbestos and lung cancer (mesothelioma) concerened a specific aspostos that, indeeed, settles into the lungs, but it was only that specific type, which name I've forgotten as that was over 3 decades ago.

Dr. Petr Beckmann, a double specialist: Electronic Engineering and Statistics, re-affirming the resutls of the 1960 study, pointed out that people who live in airborne aspostos-rich areas had no greater incidence of lung cancer than those not. He also recommended the work of someon wh did a study on the matter, again this was decades ago and I've forgotten the name of the author. That only this specific type of asbestos caused lung cancer and that was known when those barracks used in the 1960 study were built, and that type of asbestos was not to be used in buildings or any human-involved activity, but the government used it anyway becuase it was cheap and they may have figured that persons would not be exposed to it enough to cause can cancer. You also see quite a few cases among those who worked in shipyards. But from what I understand, that involves heavy exposure

In 1989, Gene Burns, WRKO, 680 AM Boston, MA recounted all the above at length and in detail and goave more information on aspbestos types and what dangers they posed and most, if used in the ordinary manner (not abused), were overwhelmingly harmless. Then he went on to state that the asbestos industry had better be prepared for the onslaught of predatory legal action facilitated by the general ignorance of the details about asbestos. I have used baby powder for over 7 decades for any number of things, as well as light smoking for 1-1/2 decades; 1971-86; age 25-40, and was diagnosed with borderline, probably age-related, safely ingorable, COPD when I was 68 and nothing further was done or recommended

Most of the persons in scientific professions that I have known concurred with the above. Some experts conclude that the exposure caused by asbestos removal (abatement) create a greater risk than just leaving it alone and sealing it in place

I would not be surprised if cornstarch, which is ground small enough to produce a fine dust that I can feel on my hands, has the same effect

[KyleABDL]

i would need to see some papers before i could side with that claim. the current ruling is it is a carcinogenic compound. if were to overturn asbestos as a safe compound or allowable up to certain quanitities we would need to perform more rigorous and modern testing to confirm it as safe.

current indicators suggest that the compound at least causes cancer in large quantities and exposure over time, but we dont know about its halflife in the body or how its removed, all of it requires further testing.

as is, there is no set allowable limit on it, its just to be avoided at all costs. if you wish to overturn such a rule or recommendation the burden of proof lies on you to indicate that it is safe.

youll have to forgive me for not trusting your word on a paper from 1960. if anything it just calls for a neutral 3rd party to come in and perform mouse testing with asbestos at varying concentrations of inhalation over its lifespan. sad but thats why we have mouse statues.

[crawling-in-diapers]

On 3/17/2021 at 3:00 PM, Little Sherri said:

We can still get the talc-based J&J classic scent baby powder here in Canada, at least for the moment.

 

It's being discontinued everywhere according to J&J

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/johnson-johnson-discontinues-talc-baby-powder-in-u-s-canada-1.1438487

 

Again, I just wish they would transfer the original scent to their new products. This will not happen if the public (YOU and I) don't take the time to email J&J and request for them to return the original scent to the new cornstarch products. I SAID I NEEDED YOUR HELP to email them. But no one hear responded to my original comment. Everyone has just changed the subject.

They need to know that people want the SCENT back or else they will not even consider it. EMAIL THEM.

 

@KyleABDL

I agree. And the fact that everyone I know in my life who were all diapered at one time, and EVERYONE has had J&J baby powder used on them (since that's all there was for the longest time) never got cancer.  The news just blew this thing up and scared the populous like they did to steal the election from Trump. They're communists that feed us our world though the TV.

[crawling-in-diapers]

Three things I wanted to tell you all today:

1. I contacted a perfume analyzer company that brakes down powders and can tell you what the ingredients are. So the good news is, it can be done. The bad news is that they charge about $3000.00 per ingredient. so if there are many different ingredients, it could be 10 to 20+ grand for them to test. It's insane. But maybe I could raise a donation system to funds the money. On the other side of the coin, being that J & J  baby powder scent has been around for over 50 years, I would think that somewhere on the internet are the ingredients that got leaked over the years. That would be nice to find.
2. The second thing is: I should have all my oils in the mail tomorrow which I'll test and try to make my own powder from the recipe I posted above. Lets hope it works to duplicate J & Js powder. Another interesting read regarding adding perfume oils to powder is.
3. Although i didn't get all 4 oils I ordered, I got the first one so far called: GERANIUM. This is the baby smell you can smell in the plastic of toy dolls without a doubt. It's not a J & J powder smell. But it's the essential oil scent that dolls usually smell like.

How to make perfume powder:

1. Take your fave fragrance and spray a cotton ball until it's soaked. ...
2. Drop the wet cotton ball into your jar and add one to two cups of cornstarch, depending on the size of your jar. ...
3. Close the jar tightly and shake vigorously.
4. Put the jar in a cool, dry place and leave it to sit for three days, shaking it twice a day.