My experience with stents

[InD]

On 12/3/2023 at 2:28 AM, cathdiap said:

Are you still using two separate titanium pieces for the bends in the stent? A few years ago I started using a one-piece inner tube and found that this helps tremendously in preventing the stent from migrating in any direction.

Maybe two disadvantages from your perspective. First, the sizing must be perfect, otherwise the stiffness will cause friction and irritation. Secondly, the inner tube must be made of plastic, because with a titanium tube the stent becomes too stiff to place it comfortably in the urethra.

Thank you for the compliments on my work, I appreciate it. Indeed I have tried using a single piece of titanium for both bends (there should be pics somewhere in the archive).  The issue is exactly what you mentioned, the stiffness does not allow for good retention and can be a bit uncomfortable.  In my experience the stent really needs to have two bends with some tubing in-between to act as a bit of a spring to hold everything in place correctly.  I've been running two bends made of titanium for years now with no discomfort.  After each use I clean the bends, through them in a pressure cooker to sterilize and re-use as needed.

On 12/3/2023 at 2:28 AM, cathdiap said:

By the way, I have never had a urinary tract infection when using my stents with plastic tubes. But maybe I just got lucky.

Since you don't think UTIs are real, I'll take that with a grain of salt 😁  It defiantly sounds like you have found a good solution that works for you.  

[nass]

On 12/5/2023 at 9:36 AM, cathdiap said:

Next up will be a video of me inserting my stent to proof how quick and easy it goes, how effective it is and what happens if I wear jeans without a diaper. Of course I am not allowed to upload it here, but I have a Fetlife account where I will put it for every paying member to see. If there are any other non porn related platforms where I can safely upload it, let me know.

I am also aware there are quite a few people who simply don't believe I am actually using stents and that they make me incontinent for real. So by showing my video I hope to take away their doubts as well.  

I believe you that your are actual using your stent, so i don't need a proof. However i am interested in this video anyway to see the insertion process in detail. I remember there was already a video in this thread linked to x-video, but it went down a while ago.

[InD]

12 minutes ago, nass said:

I believe you that your are actual using your stent, so i don't need a proof. However i am interested in this video anyway to see the insertion process in detail. I remember there was already a video in this thread linked to x-video, but it went down a while ago.

I had a few foley catheter / stent insertion vids on X-video till they killed off everything to make the credit card processers happy.

There are essentially two ways to insert a stent.  First part is the same regardless, just slide stent in like you would any type of catheter.  The bends look like they would be hard to accommodate, but really their not.  When you get the entire stent inside you have two options. 

One, use a sound to push the stent into place.  Just like a catheter you will know when the stent enters the bladder as urine will start to flow.  Remove the stent, ensure the retention line is secure in whatever method you use.

Two, once you have pushed all of the stent into the tip, guide the stent into place using your fingers to push down on the stent along the outside of your penis.  This method is easier once you've used the first method a few times.  As before, once urine flows you know you've got it set.  

Personally I like the second method as your are using one less piece of equipment that can introduce bacteria or such that may be on the sound.  

[rh1979]

Huge thanks to Ind and cathdiap for willing to share their designs, build methods and success! As always, I'm inspired more each time I catch up on this thread

[cathdiap]

1 hour ago, nass said:

I remember there was already a video in this thread linked to x-video, but it went down a while ago.

Yeah, that video was probably mine, although I believe I uploaded it on Pornhub. Anyhow, in that clip I inserted my old stent that I made out of PVC fish tank tubing.  And it didn't even have a retrieval line. I had to pull the stent out by hooking  a crochet hook in a loop of scoubidou string at the bottom.  

😂 

The things you do when you want to be incontinent. 

2 hours ago, InD said:

Since you don't think UTIs are real, I'll take that with a grain of salt 😁  It defiantly sounds like you have found a good solution that works for you.  

True that, but I do believe in inflammation as a result of chemical poisoning. And I suspect the lubricants and gel coating of the catheters were the cause of my inflamed prostate. 

[cathdiap]

1 hour ago, rh1979 said:

Huge thanks to Ind and cathdiap for willing to share their designs, build methods and success! As always, I'm inspired more each time I catch up on this thread

Don't mention it!. Keep in mind that once you learn what it's like to be incontinent and diaper-dependent, the joy of just wearing a diaper will likely be gone forever.

[Kevin140]

I learned this lessen a little bit on my way to OAB.

after reaching it is still a habbit, but I need it only, because of my self introduced problems

[Hannah YMS]

I've made 10+ stents over the years and I've been trying to get back at it. Last weekend I tried a modified catheter stent but the screw protector I was using was too irritating in my urethra. That and I used fishing line as the retrieval line, which wasn't comfortable even when I was restricted in movement by a chastity cage.

Today I decided to dig back to one of the first stents I made of @cathdiap's design. Instead of fishing line I'm using dental floss and I can say it's more comfortable than plastic fishing line. The result is below.

The silicone tubing has yellowed over the years, but I cleaned with antibacterial soap, rinsed it really well, and then boiled it for 10 minutes. I shouldn't have any issues.

I've had this stent in now for about an hour and I notice a couple of things.

Pros

• I actually get to feel when I'm peeing now. Peeing through a catheter or a stent that doesn't sit high enough in the urethra prevents me from feeling when I'm peeing.
• The stent design is older, so it's not a solid piece of tubing at the bends, but two separate plastic bent tubes, which leads me to experience actual urge incontinence when I get up out of my chair, cough, or sneeze. It's a  trippy feeling!
• The dental floss retrieval line is more comfortable than fishing line.
• I no longer have to worry about urinary control, yay!

Cons

• This stent is tending to slip out of the urethra instead of in. I think it's because the bend that enters the bladder is probably a bit too long, because when the bladder decompresses it pushes the stent out.
• The bend that enters the bladder is probably not quite at the right angle. I think I need to make the angle a bit more acute (sharper bend).
• The stent may be a bit too long to properly sit inside my bladder/prostate area. My plan is to shorten the middle part by moving the bladder bend down a bit and then trim the silicone sticking out of it a bit so it's not so long.

I'm going to try sleeping with this stent in place. I expect it to have migrated out of my urethra by the time I wake up, but we'll see. Maybe after a few more hours the surgical lube I used to get the stent inside and seated will have had time to dissipate, hopefully leaving friction between the silicone tubing and my urethra to keep the stent in place.

The method I used to get the stent inside my urethra and seated was to get the stent into my urethra completely, but rather than using a sound or knitting needle to push the stent in further, I just used inward pressure from my fingers to inch the stent all the way up in there. It was harder to do than I imagine it would and I expect my urethra will need a couple of days to desensitize because of the process. In the future it should be easier to seat the stent due to having practiced seating it more than once every 5 years.

I'll keep you all posted.

[cathdiap]

On 9/14/2023 at 8:21 AM, cathdiap said:

To keep it interesting I have a small bucket list of things I want to do while wearing my stent. 

!. Drink lots of water, put on a fresh nighttime diaper. Get really drunk on whiskey (you know, the drink for tough old guys) and fall asleep. See how I wake up.

2. Eat one or two of my son's THC gummy bears. Enough to let a newbe go out completely. Drink a lot of water. Put on a fresh diaper and see what happens 

3. Make my stent irretrievable using a PA cage of some sort. Leave the key at home and go camping for a few weeks in France. A few bags of diapers in the trunk and enjoy my diapered holidays. No escape possible  Having to change diapers in my tent on the camp site, somehow turns me on.

In a world going mad, it is hard to stay ahead.  

Numero dos of my bucket list is done. I just swallowed three of those THC gummy bears that I bought this afternoon in the local coffee shop. The sellers said It might take an hour before it starts working. I am about to experience a high while wearing a stent and diaper. Guinness Book of Weird records here we go....

I hope I don't do stupid things like cutting the retrieval line during my high..... Or maybe I do hope it. 🤔 

But seriously, I do believe that I am on the verge of having a BID. Like never before I want my incontinence to no longer be reversible by me, but only with medical intervention. I no longer want that power to decide whether or not I want to be incontinent  I know what it feels like to have a body that is incontinent. having to wear diapers  But so far it has always been my decision to make myself incontinent or not. This has to stop soon. It is time for the next level, the real deal... making it completely irrelevant what I want or what I do.... I will not be able to stop my  incontinence myself. 

Or am I already stoned? 

[Hannah YMS]

5 hours ago, cathdiap said:

Or am I already stoned?

Not likely, give it an hour or so  

The "big plunge". Good stuff to think about. Kind of heavy too -- to cut the line or to not cut the line?, that is the question. At least in your neck of the woods healthcare is at least affordable so if you DO have to go get your stent removed, it at least won't break the bank.

I've been to the ER before to get a lost stent removed. It was easily the most embarrassing day of my life in the hospital and I had like 100 people come ask me what the problem what -- I think they just couldn't believe it and had to ask for themselves. Once I got home, I left that shame behind, stent free.

So if you really think about it, it's still reversible, and even on your own terms. You may one day face an ER visit to get it removed, but I assure you you'll be fine the next day, unless the hospital staff know who you are. In which case, I'd recommend going out of town a bit and trying a new hospital.

So are you going to do it? I won't push you one way or another, but I did give you a reasonable roadmap of what is to come should the "worst" happen. Good luck.

[Kissnofrog]

What about that Memocath that was mentioned one page earlier?

That would be a permanent solution that is save and can stay for years apparently.

It just needs someone who can apply it…..

[cathdiap]

10 hours ago, Hannah YMS said:

Not likely, give it an hour or so  

You were right it did kick in about an hour later.

And I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by the effects it had on me. Instead of doing crazy stuff like removing the retrieval lines, it made me calm, relaxed and more reasonable. I no longer had any thoughts about the things I would have to do to keep my incontinence desires satisfied.

Instead I was completely there in the moment, thoroughly enjoying my stent and diaper situation. I looked at that diaper bulge in my jeans while feeling the pee running freely in it and I felt so thankful for having come this far, making incontinence feel so good and natural.  

In this peaceful mindset I went to bed early and had a wonderful deep sleep until I woke up in the middle of a huge wetting. I needed to change immediately afterwards as I had forgotten to slip into a night diaper before I went to bed. But it all felt so normal and beautiful in a way, exactly what  I've always wanted it to be like. Why on earth would I have to change anything to keep enjoying it? So overnight the urge to make it irreversible has completely faded. 

So it is true I guess. Weed makes you stop worrying about a thing. It puts you back in the moment forget about the past and the future. And if you are feeling happy now, just enjoy it and don't change a thing. 

Those gummy bears are definitely a keeper for me.

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On a more physical level, I have also been surprised by my body's recent adjustment to wearing a stent. I'm now well into my second week of wearing the stent continuously, so I haven't pulled it out once to clean it and it's really starting to feel like the stent has become part of my body. I really don't feel it anymore. And that is new. Of course, as I've said before, my stent has always been very comfortable to wear, even for long periods of time. But not feeling it at all anymore, that's actually pretty cool. The whole area it's in feels a little swollen and numb, but in a good and comfortable way. No matter what I do, tighten my pelvic floor muscles, jump, run up the stairs, bend over, squat, cycle, I no longer feel that the stent is there. But I still feel very clearly that I am constantly peeing in my diaper.

Another huge improvement over the last week is the total absence of morning erections. Many would say that might be a bad thing, such as lack of testosterone or nerve damage, but I don't care what it is, It is just great to slowly wake up in a wet diaper and not having to deal with the sudden discomfort of a body part that wants to go up when it needs to point down.

So yeah, all in all great improvements to report on both the mental aa the physical side of my play.

TBC    

[Kissnofrog]

If I only had the courage to try my self……

I‘d like to build my first stent - at least a start. I‘ve been searching around for the FEP tubing but that appears more difficult to find online (over here in Germany) than I expected.

Maybe I go for Titan and a Cath to start with. Both seems to be easily available……

I had UTI‘s a few times when playing with Catheters even though I‘m always taking extreme care of cleanest. Looks like I‘m not as some who just slide an un disinfected stent into their bladder and get away with it. 

Last time I used a Cath I even had some bleeding after less than a day and without to much moving around. 

Maybe I‘m allergic on Latex? 

When using a Catheter I rarely come to a point that I barely feel it. It usually hurts a bit or I might get cramps. 

Any ideas or advice would be very much appreciated!

 

[cathdiap]

5 minutes ago, Kissnofrog said:

If I only had the courage to try my self……

If you really want it, you will do it. I started the whole process when the internet wasn't even around yet. So it is possible if you really want it. However, patience, perseverance and logical thinking are also required.

 

11 minutes ago, Kissnofrog said:

Any ideas or advice would be very much appreciated!

In this thread and in my album "How I Make My Stent" you will find plenty of information to keep in mind as you start developing your own perfect stent.

Play safe, stay wet!

[Old_PA]

On 12/9/2023 at 8:17 PM, cathdiap said:

On a more physical level, I have also been surprised by my body's recent adjustment to wearing a stent. I'm now well into my second week of wearing the stent continuously, so I haven't pulled it out once to clean it and it's really starting to feel like the stent has become part of my body. I really don't feel it anymore. And that is new. Of course, as I've said before, my stent has always been very comfortable to wear, even for long periods of time. But not feeling it at all anymore, that's actually pretty cool. The whole area it's in feels a little swollen and numb, but in a good and comfortable way. No matter what I do, tighten my pelvic floor muscles, jump, run up the stairs, bend over, squat, cycle, I no longer feel that the stent is there. But I still feel very clearly that I am constantly peeing in my diaper.

Cathdiap, When you could feel the stent in place, was it at times uncomfortable? How did you go bending over to pick up something from the floor? My experiments continue but so far never totally comfortable for more than a few hours. I have, however, made a totally comfortable 'holey foley' but that is hard to repeat. The slightest irritation to the wall of the urethra is 'referred' to the tip of the pee pee. 

[cathdiap]

6 hours ago, Old_PA said:

Cathdiap, When you could feel the stent in place, was it at times uncomfortable?

No never uncomfortable. I don't like playing if there are moments that are not enjoyable. Every time that happened I pulled it out and thought hard what the cause of discomfort could have been and made adjustments. It took me countless times of trial and error before I knew what shape my stent needed to perfectly fit my urethra, stay in place and never cause pain or discomfort. 

And again, there is no quick solution.  But I always believed that once the stent matches the shape of my urethra perfectly it would make no sense at all to cause any discomfort. And as an added bonus the shape of the male urethra happens to take care of a perfect fixation at the same time.

6 hours ago, Old_PA said:

How did you go bending over to pick up something from the floor?

I don't like bragging about it, but I have always had high standards regarding bladder stents. To the point that all movements should at the very least be free from any discomfort. Over the past few years I am only satisfied if I don't feel it AT ALL. To make sure that is the case with a new stent I jump, squat, bike, sit on the edge of hard chairs, lie on my back and on my stomach and during all those activities I want the stent to drain my bladder properly as well. So depending on the position of my body it has to drain continuously when I am upright, And in horizontal position or when sitting it has to drain whenever the bladder starts contracting or when I put a little pressure on my stomach.    

6 hours ago, Old_PA said:

The slightest irritation to the wall of the urethra is 'referred' to the tip of the pee pee. 

That is a clear sign that the outlet of the stent is hitting the narrowing at the end of the bulbous area of your urethra. You can try two things. Try to make the angle of the bent in the bladder more acute so the stent doesn't slip out of the bladder as much. This causes the end of the stent to slide towards that narrowing at the same time. If the bent in the bladder isn't the problem then the last part of the stent (below the outer sphincter is likely too long and has to be shortened.

From what I have learned it is all about angles and sizes if you try my stent design. For example if the angle of the lower bent isn't acute enough compared to the curve in your urethra below the outer sphincter it will be forced by the pressure of the urethra to choose to go upwards or downwards  It took me a long time to find that out and in my case I had to make the lower bent at an almost 90 degree angle.

Another big improvement for me was to twist the top of the stent a little away from the direction of the bottom part of the stent.  This helps to fix the stent in the bladder, because the bend in the stent now has two directions which provide extra resistance.

And finally, like I stated before, I think the body will try to adapt to whatever minor friction is left, I believe my urethra has become a little more resilient to foreign objects over time.

[Old_PA]

Thanks for that, Cathdiap.

[boyhood]

Quick questions for Cathdiap & InD: have either of you experimented with an L shaped design? If so, can you share your experience?

Wondering the main advantages of that upper bend in your [ shaped designs: is it to prevent inward migration because the near-90 degree bottom bend isn't sufficient to keep the stent in place alone?

When inserted, isn't the upper curve inside your bladder pointing forward, perhaps the tip of the stent pinned up against the front of your bladder wall? If so, does this assist in preventing inward migration?

[cathdiap]

8 hours ago, boyhood said:

Quick questions for Cathdiap & InD: have either of you experimented with an L shaped design? If so, can you share your experience?

Yes, I tried an L-shaped stent. Two problems arose. The tip of that stent scratched against the top of the bladder wall, which over time led to heavy and uncomfortable bladder contractions and this pushed the stent out of the bladder. When I shortened the stent, I noticed that the bladder neck had a tendency to creep up over the opening (inlet) of the stent, which stopped drainage and also made it  painful.

Somehow it seems that in an empty bladder there is more room for a curved stent than for a straight one. And the bladder neck also has no chance of creeping up if the stent is bent and slightly twisted like mine.

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By the way, a couple of days ago I replaced my old stent with the one below and man ... it's a beast! It took a few hours for it to get into the right position, but then it turned out that it is even better than my old one, which in my opinion was already perfect. Which just goes to show that even with my extensive experience using stents, there is still room for improvement, even if I don't even know how I did it or why this one is so much better. When I put them side by side, I hardly see any difference between the two.

When I wear this stent, I can't help but think that my bladder is now like a big funnel. It drains the urine so well that there is hardly any resistance. I especially notice this at night. No matter what position I sleep in in bed, I can now suddenly find myself peeing large amounts very quickly without even noticing my bladder contracting. For the first time I have to worry about my diaper overflowing. Last night I quickly got out of bed when I felt my diaper was going to give way and the pee kept flowing. Otherwise I would definitely have had to change the bed.

But even when I'm sitting, I have to make sure I put pressure on the bladder every now and then to empty it before it fills up. Otherwise the risk of flooding is very real. As I just noticed while writing this post. I literally had to stand up quickly to avoid leaks on the seat of the chair.

The risk of flooding certainly increases the uncertainty that incontinence can leave you in. So I have to become even more alert when I sit and I think it's time for pads in bed.

[nappyboymids]

This is my most recent stent.  I've taken a somewhat different approach to others I've seen recently here.  It's made from a silicon catheter (18fr).  The two 'flanges' (made from rubber 'O' rings) were inspired by a malecot catheter and anchor the stent in place; one sits in the bladder and the other somewhere around the external sphincter.  Between the two is a stiff piece of plastic tubing so there's very little bending possible at that point.  Below that the stent is flexible (just like a cath, which is unsurprising given what it's made of!).  The black 'bulb' at the end enables me to grasp it from the outside and means there's no need for a retrieval line.  It's *amazingly* comfortable - once it's in place I don't feel that it's there at all.  It's also completely stable and there's been no hint of inward migration (for me this has always happened at night but after several nights of trying it out, I wake up with it in exactly the right place every morning).  It's a little bit challenging to insert but practice makes perfect!  Really happy that I've finally found the perfect stent

[cathdiap]

Awesome design! @nappyboymids

8 hours ago, nappyboymids said:

It's *amazingly* comfortable - once it's in place I don't feel that it's there at all.

Isn't that the best feeling ever? Completely incontinent, but the body gives you no clue why. 

9 hours ago, nappyboymids said:

The black 'bulb' at the end enables me to grasp it from the outside and means there's no need for a retrieval line

Nice. Is the stent suitable for long-term wear? 

[nappyboymids]

15 hours ago, cathdiap said:

Awesome design! @nappyboymids

Isn't that the best feeling ever? Completely incontinent, but the body gives you no clue why. 

Nice. Is the stent suitable for long-term wear? 

@cathdiap  Thanks!  It's taken many versions over the years but I've finally got there (the previous version was similar but had the inner tubing through most of its length so it wasn't flexible enough to be comfortable.

And yes, the best feeling ever.  I have urge and frequency incontinence anyway but to have all remaining control taken away and to dribble constantly and hardly noticing is the best feeling 🙂

My longest time so far has been 48 hours but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be a lot longer - hoping for an opportunity to test it over Christmas ...

[Kissnofrog]

What about running with a stent? 

I usually go running for 10+km. Would the movement cause irritation? Did anyone try that?

 Designing my own stent. I thought about using some plastic tubing to be tugged into a regular Cath. 

This is the tubing: 

1m PFA Schlauch PTFE Teflon farblos ID x AD Ø 2 x 3mm transparent 260°C Meterware | VIELE GRÖSSEN 1-38mm | Hitze-beständig Kühlmittel Säure Lauge Alkohol Chemikalien 3D Drucker Lebensmittel-echt https://amzn.eu/d/gt5ntJD

In terms of Cath I used max 18 Ch so far. There inner diameter is on more than 2-3mm. I thought about using the ones with 3mm outer diameter and 2mm inner.

Your thoughts?

thanks and greeting!

 

[cathdiap]

1 hour ago, Kissnofrog said:

What about running with a stent? 

I usually go running for 10+km. Would the movement cause irritation? Did anyone try that?

I'm not a fan of long-distance running. Most likely because I'm really bad at it. So I can't tell you whether a stent would cause irritation during that activity

But I just got back from an hour of intensive cycling. It was the first time with my new stent and it went well.When I was bent over the bicycle handlebars, I could feel the stent in place, but the thickness of the diaper prevented it from becoming uncomfortable.

I think cycling is probably the toughest test for a stent because your entire body weight is resting exactly where the stent is. If the stent does not migrate or become painful under that pressure, you can be almost assured that any other movement or body position will also be safe and comfortable.

1 hour ago, Kissnofrog said:

Designing my own stent. I thought about using some plastic tubing to be tugged into a regular Cath. 

This is the tubing: 

1m PFA Schlauch PTFE Teflon farblos ID x AD Ø 2 x 3mm transparent 260°C Meterware | VIELE GRÖSSEN 1-38mm | Hitze-beständig Kühlmittel Säure Lauge Alkohol Chemikalien 3D Drucker Lebensmittel-echt https://amzn.eu/d/gt5ntJD

In terms of Cath I used max 18 Ch so far. There inner diameter is on more than 2-3mm. I thought about using the ones with 3mm outer diameter and 2mm inner.

Your thoughts?

I have no experience with either types of tubing, but given the fact that I am using very cheap and non medical grade items I am sure it will be fine. 

I have no experience with either type of tubing you descrIbed, but considering I haven't had any problems using very cheap and non-medical items, I think your choice of tubing will be fine too.

Keep us posted on the results and I love seeing pictures of home made stents.

[cathdiap]

11 hours ago, nappyboymids said:

My longest time so far has been 48 hours but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be a lot longer - hoping for an opportunity to test it over Christmas ...

Please let me know if it worked and how it went.

If I had to mention one downside to these super comfortable and safe stents: there is absolutely no reason to pull them out. Don't you also find it tempting to simply remain permanently incontinent?