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A Message to all ABDLs

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I don't want this to become a political or country bashing thread so please keep comments on topic! Any posts that go into anything like bashing of politics or countries will be removed.

The UK government recently announced a proposal that has been added to a bill almost certain to pass through Parliament that will censor what it terms as "non-conventional" pornography. This includes many very legal kinks/fetishes/basic bodily functions that are done by two consenting adults.

Things the proposed bill will block include BDSM, female orgasm and, most pertinent of all, age based role play between consenting adults

Under the proposal even websites such as this one would be at risk from being blocked. Forget the slippery slope argument that some censorship inevitably leads to more censorship, I think for many of us losing access to ABDL or age play websites would be a crushing blow.

There is a lawyer who is crowdfunding to try and fight these law changes and he asks for just $1 a month (Though you can donate more if you choose) to do so: https://www.patreon.com/MylesJackman

I ask anyone who can spare the money, whether UK based or not, to consider giving to him and spreading the word. Censorship like this should be blocked wherever and whenever it is found.

I hope that people will look into this, spread the word, protest, and help fund the fight against such flagrant censorship.

https://www.patreon.com/MylesJackman

 

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I'm curious what the background in the proposed law.  It sounds like something that some guy is proposing just to make a splash, even though they know it has little chance of getting passed.   it sounds very draconian and would create a slippery slope.

I know there are differences in our legal systems, and the way laws are enacted, but there are enough similarities that it doesn't sound like anything that would get very much traction.   There are always groups that feel they have the right to regulate everybody's else life (and they are a world wide phenomenon), but most world wide countries value personal freedoms.

It sounds like it would be a nighmare to police.  There is no shortage of sites that would be affected them, but how could effectively police them all.

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This is a proposal that was added to a bill that has a very strong chance of passing. The "Digital Economies Bill" I believe: https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-1/digitaleconomy.html

Here is it's summary: A Bill To make provision about electronic communications infrastructure and services; to provide for restricting access to online pornography; to make provision about protection of intellectual property in connection with electronic communications; to make provision about data-sharing; to make provision about functions of OFCOM in relation to the BBC; to provide for determination by the BBC of age-related TV licence fee concessions; to make provision about the regulation of direct marketing; to make other provision about OFCOM and its functions; and for connected purposes.

Here is an article about this particular amendment: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/23/censor-non-conventional-sex-acts-online-internet-pornography

Here are some of the things banned:

Spanking

Caning

Aggressive whipping

Penetration by any object "associated with violence"

Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of  if consensual)

Urolagnia (known as "water sports")

Role-playing as non-adults

Physical restraint

Humiliation

Female ejaculation

Strangulation

Facesitting

Fisting

This isn't some random proposal that will be thrown out at the earliest stage. This is a major move that is expected to swiftly sail through the Houses of Commons.

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Sounds like Mary Whitehouse all over again :bash: I do hope at least some MP's will see this as more restrictive than being in the EU and state that publicly as they fight it :mf_swordfight: If anyone finds a consolidated movement against it (or any info really) please add it here.

And everyone: please join in this fight for freedom!

 

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Myles Jackman uploaded a video from a protest against this bill on his channel: might give more insight and what have you.

 

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How bad of affect would this be on Wendy from ABS, Suprised she hasn't put her foot down and went to war with these people, there site has been running for almost 20 years.

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21 minutes ago, daddyeric91 said:

How bad of affect would this be on Wendy from ABS, Suprised she hasn't put her foot down and went to war with these people, there site has been running for almost 20 years.

Whose Wendy? and what's ABS aside from being the acronym for anti-lock breaking system?

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Wendy is the owner of adultbabysource.com.  it is a uk based abdl porn site.

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1 hour ago, daddyeric91 said:

Wendy is the owner of adultbabysource.com.  it is a uk based abdl porn site.

Ahh ok thanks :)

 

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And for anyone wondering of the exact wording of us by the BBFC (the people who will be blocking things):

"• material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity which may include adults role-playing as non-adults"

So this forum and any forum like it would be for the chopping block. As well as images, video and just about anything else. Reddit, tumblr, DailyDiapers, Deviantart, pretty much any porn website... All of it blocked.

We all know that the idea that this fetish or kink somehow encourages an interest in minors is ridiculous but to the government it is how they see us. This isn't something that we should ignore, this is attached to a bill which is very likely to pass through parliament. When it does, that will be it. We can all say goodbye to the ABDL community and ABDL content.

It is a horrendous bit of legislation and it is going to affect everyone inside the UK and it will affect anyone who is friends with anyone from the UK.

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Sounds like the Puritan movement all over again....or was that temperance......

 

Bloody governments are like diapers..always full of crap and should be changed often....

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This censorship proposal is certainly real and likely to pass through with little discussion.  Another example of the yawning gulf between government and the people.  Who is to determine what is 'conventional sex' ? And this is a slippery slope to religious and political censorship.  

In order to make it easy for the lawyers, the simplistic rule will be sites can only show what would pass the British Board of Film Censors standard, a faily low bar.  

Bring back the good old days when we were ruled by judges and MPs used to frequent Soho establishments for a good and regular spanking,  if not a whipping, rather than the current bunch of social engineering simpletons.

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I wish more people would make some noise about this and report on it and get some attention to it like Elfy is on this forum, so far most of the news and stuff people are talking about is the outcome of the American elections or Brexit or something else unrelated.

 Mine and other Brits ability to interact with others in the "Kink community" and enjoy our thing online on various websites etc is under threat that’s more important to me personally right now than anything else political.

 Would some of us UK folks getting together and protesting be a valid option?

 ABDL fancy dress, protest boards and banners etc.

Also collaborate maybe with others from other kink & fetish type forums that might also be under threat from this catastrophically awful proposed bill to march along side us representing there thing.

I’m just throwing ideas out here

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10 hours ago, Elfy said:

And for anyone wondering of the exact wording of us by the BBFC (the people who will be blocking things):

"• material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity which may include adults role-playing as non-adults"

So this forum and any forum like it would be for the chopping block. As well as images, video and just about anything else. Reddit, tumblr, DailyDiapers, Deviantart, pretty much any porn website... All of it blocked.

We all know that the idea that this fetish or kink somehow encourages an interest in minors is ridiculous but to the government it is how they see us. This isn't something that we should ignore, this is attached to a bill which is very likely to pass through parliament. When it does, that will be it. We can all say goodbye to the ABDL community and ABDL content.

It is a horrendous bit of legislation and it is going to affect everyone inside the UK and it will affect anyone who is friends with anyone from the UK.

Help.  I'm looking through the pdf of the bill you provided, and I cannot find anything you're quoting.  I really want to make a good case against this, (as in the bill shouldn't be happening) but I'm having trouble finding the wording you're using.

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That is because they are being deliberately vague with everything.

They are handing the regulation of whether a site has to be blocked or not to the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification). This group already have rule as to what can't be produced in this country that includes spanking which leaves a mark, age related role play, BDSM and a bunch of other things. The new rules are that if it wouldn't be certified for DVD, it won't be certifiable online.

We already have laws about age verification, there are already blocks already put on porn (you need to go to your ISPs website to remove them), there already exists software which will block adult content... This is just an excuse for censorship that will either not work at all or will catch places like Reddit, Tumblr and others in its catch all net. A forum like this would be an easy block for them.

This is a good article with all the latest news on it: http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-ban-non-conventional-pornography-censorship-reddit-tumblr-digitaleconomy-bill-2016-11

Quite frankly, I don't want to live in a place where not only is the internet censored but I can no longer engage with people like me on here or in other similar places. That is too much.

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Elfy. I not trying to start an argument with you and I mean no disrespect to you. 

But don't you think your being a little hypocritical here. 

Your complaining about a bill that in every sense is what you do as an Administrator of this very forum. 

As an Admin you yourself have  blocked underage users and rightfully so.

As an Admin you have deleted posts that could potentially offend other members. 

As an Admin you have blocked questionable content. 

As an Admin you have banned members for questionable posts and comments. Granted those members were warned several times but sometimes I wonder what happened to that members right to free speech and free Press.

Now I read the article you posted and there is a free speech movement going on......have you joined this movement? If not, why?

2 hours ago, Alvin Spacemunk said:

I wish more people would make some noise about this and report on it and get some attention to it like Elfy is on this forum, 

What noise? What attention?

So far all I've seen is 3 threads in 2 separate forums. 

If you wanted to know what noise and attention for a cause is like you should have been here for the 2016 election process. One should have attended a rally of a candidate soon to be our President. 

My wife and I attended one while we were in Las Vegas. It was so loud at times it hurt your ears. And when this man spoke ppl listened. And in the end the ppl voted. Here was a movement started by 1 voice. Talk about the "shot heard around the world".......

We are still proud of being part of that movement. 

 

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I don't think it is hypocritical to block someone breaking the rules of the forum and being very worried about a whole country blocking access to all ABDL content because they don't like it.

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Elfy is right - not hypocritical at all.

Elfy's role on this site is to ensure the rules are observed (rules that are in place for very good reasons). We all of us have to live within the rules that society imposes on us ... and in a voluntary association like this site, we abide by the rules of the voluntary association.

The issue here is one stage removed. It is an issue of what the rules of our society should be. There is a proposal to change them in an intolerant way which will make sites like this impossible to operate within the law. What Elfy is saying is that we need to go and talk to our representatives on the law-making body, the people who have the power to change the rules whether we like it or not, and persuade them that this particular rule change is uncalled for, unnecessary, unworkable, intolerant, misconceived ... insert your own objection here.

My own MP is, unfortunately, Nadine Dorries, and I don't think I'll get much of a hearing there ...

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Legislating morality isn't going to stop a damn thing.  Why is this concept so hard to grasp?

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It might not stop a thing, but it'll make it punishable to do the thing.  

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20 hours ago, DL4LIFE said:

What noise? What attention?

So far all I've seen is 3 threads in 2 separate forums. 

Exactly! That's what I was saying

20 hours ago, DL4LIFE said:

 

 

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So where do the MPs plan on getting their non-conventional porn? :o

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14 hours ago, Personalias said:

It might not stop a thing, but it'll make it punishable to do the thing.  

have you read the law? It doesn't punish (directly), instead it's designed to censor content from both inside and outside the UK.  Specifically, it's designed to block UK residents from frequenting sites that host videos which depict sexual acts that are banned.  That, is nothing short of legislating morality and using "age verification" as a convenient sword and shield.

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8 hours ago, Britnee said:

have you read the law? It doesn't punish (directly), instead it's designed to censor content from both inside and outside the UK.  Specifically, it's designed to block UK residents from frequenting sites that host videos which depict sexual acts that are banned.  That, is nothing short of legislating morality and using "age verification" as a convenient sword and shield.

Yeah.  I'm not in favor of it.

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I know this sucks for our kinky kindred spirits in the U.K. and I hope this law fails to pass but after everything that has happened here it difficult to be optimistic.

One thing I do know is like death and taxes, human nature is unavoidable. People will find a way around this law if it does pass. They can't censor this content if people resort to technology to circumvent the censorship.

I'm probably a good example. I've never been on the "dark web" nor have I ever used a proxy thingy to browse the net. I'm basically too lazy to bother to learn and adapt to the technology needed to do that.  If my access to this site and others like it were taken from me via interference from my isp at the direction of the government I would adapt. I can guarantee that I would learn very quickly how to circumvent the isp. I would do this because I know my motivation to be here is far greater than some Aholes motivation to prevent it. I don't think I'm unusual in that regard either.

Hugs,

Freta

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