Are your diapers strictly underwear, or do you spend time in them uncovered, and if so, how much?

[Little Sherri]

It occurred to me recently that I probably spend more time now in just a diaper (and a shirt) than I ever did in my childhood. We live in a cold climate, and people tend to want to keep babies and toddlers warm, and, later on, I was very self-conscious about still wearing diapers, and tended to treat them like a state secret, so I don't think I spent a lot of time in an uncovered diaper as a kid. 

I've read the debates here before about if diapers are "underwear", versus pajamas, versus something else - not quite "outerwear", but, more likely to be worn uncovered than, say, briefs or panties. Currently, I get to spend a fair bit of time in just a diaper & shirt- I always sleep that way, I'm usually dressed thusly for a couple of hours before we go to sleep, and because I work from home, I often spend a good part of the day with my pants or shorts hanging on a chair in my office - why create laundry if I have a press-out leak? I enjoy wearing just a diaper, when I can get away with it without offending anyone, and on a good day, I might spend more time with nothing on over my diaper than I spend in the opposite condition. So I'm curious as to where others fall on this question. 

[DailyDi]

I live with my Mom and while she knows about my diapers, this site and all of you, I don't walk around in just a diaper out of respect to her and always wear lounge pants at home.

[ValentinesStuff]

I live alone, so it's almost always just a diaper in the house. If I get cold or am going out then it's covered.

[foreverdl]

I would Love to be able to spend some time in just a diaper. But I do respect my wife and even though she's come a long way since I told her a lot of years ago.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

My view is the most compatible with AB?AK of a better time. Underwear was considered someownat sexual so it was not exposed to view. That changed in the late 1960's which began the sexualization of children by exposing underthings. I consider the second statement in line with the first since the diapers are covered when the person is awake which implies they are not meant to be seen by others since "under the coveres" is private

This was not a doctrine of children but of parents. If an infant's or child's diapers were exposed more than accidentally, it was scandalous and the parents were considered slovenly, lowlifes or piggish and would be the subject of discussion and even, if it continued, the recipients of 'dirty loois" or even the recipients of a few "words" from the neighbors. So many times I head "The kids are running around in judy their diapers [or 'rubber panties']" in a disguested tone of voice. Also, to encourage dryness a mother would say "Do yo want me to let people see your diapers and rubber panties" or "what would [insert name] say if [he, she] saw your rubber pantt(ie)s?"

This is why I think there is a fundamental difference in kind between classic AB/AK and DL. As I said earlier, I also think that attitude changed in the late '60's with the "sexual revolution" and the "let it all hang out" nonsense

[rusty pins]

I usually wear a diaper early morning for a few hours when I wake up once or twice a week on days I have off.  A couple times a month I get the house to myself for the better part of the day when I don't work and I will usually go around without pants.  Plastic pants and a onesie to help hold my diaper up are what I wear around the house inside, sometimes just diaper and a t-shirt.  I don't sleep in diapers much at all, it's very very rare.  When I do I sleep in a diaper it's just a premium disposable diaper and plastic pants, no other clothes.  A month ago on my 6 day vacation I was in high quality disposable diapers 24/7 and always with plastic pants and a onesie, then my shorts everywhere I went among the other tourists and tourist sites.  I doubt if anyone at all even noticed in spite of some bulkiness.  Sleeping every night for 5 days in the hotel it was always the same thing - Beyond XP5000 diaper with a booster pad and heavy yellow plastic pants and that was it! 

[Moochie]

Similar to Rusty Pins, I am in my diaper without outer clothes only in the solitude of the early morning, and of course, wet and messy, like right now, but that should go without saying.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

I think this question means "in view". As I said, the second choice is stil private. Now, whien I am ready to wash my diapers, I have just taken the last one off and put it in the wet bag and am taking it to the basement. Often, my outermost garment is the rubber panty, However, I do not expect anyone to see me, so it is still private and not "indecent exposure" which I think is the real meaning of this question. If I expect to be in just my rubber panties for awhile, I will put a bathing suit or jogging pants and shirt or light jacket over it and may even go to the store across the street to get someething. Nobody knows what I have on under the clothes

[babykeiff]

23 hours ago, Little Sherri said:

It occurred to me recently that I probably spend more time now in just a diaper (and a shirt) than I ever did in my childhood. We live in a cold climate, and people tend to want to keep babies and toddlers warm, and, later on, I was very self-conscious about still wearing diapers, and tended to treat them like a state secret, so I don't think I spent a lot of time in an uncovered diaper as a kid. 

I've read the debates here before about if diapers are "underwear", versus pajamas, versus something else - not quite "outerwear", but, more likely to be worn uncovered than, say, briefs or panties. Currently, I get to spend a fair bit of time in just a diaper & shirt- I always sleep that way, I'm usually dressed thusly for a couple of hours before we go to sleep, and because I work from home, I often spend a good part of the day with my pants or shorts hanging on a chair in my office - why create laundry if I have a press-out leak? I enjoy wearing just a diaper, when I can get away with it without offending anyone, and on a good day, I might spend more time with nothing on over my diaper than I spend in the opposite condition. So I'm curious as to where others fall on this question. 

Underwear, the term tends to refer to any garment under the top garment - and that can be knickers, underpants, boxers, vests, or whatever garment that one wears next to skin. Therefore, without any doubt, diapers ARE underwear.

Babies are dressed with their diaper exposed most of their life depending on whether they are in public or not. Some parents prefer to add a onesie as the top, as if that hides a diaper, but at home, a baby is in a diaper and a top (in winter) and just a diaper in the summer. It is not until the baby is going out that one adds the extra layer of clothes - but that is out of sence of pride.

The reason a baby is in just a diaper and a top is to cut down on laundry. Having a baby fully dressed in a house and one is changing said baby every 30 mins to 1 hour depending on the age of the child, not only does one need to change the diaper, any poo that escapes the diaper, and one needs too change the whole layette. Baby poo on clothes tends to stain - due to the natural colours - and baby clothes need such care when being washed, a fully dresed baby is almost illogical.

A newborn baby is fully clothed until s/he reaches roughly 3-6 months old, but those 'super soft' clothes normally end up in a bin once they are hit with a poonami (as Pampers refer to it).

This concept was addressed partially in the topic Diaper-Skirt-Win, where the design and functions of a baby doll was identified, and where, in the era of cloth diapers and no plastic / rubber pants, diapers were fully exposed to allow a carer to watch and react to their childs wetting the diaper. After all, in that era every diaper leaked.

Today, diaper leaks are rare when it comes to wetness if the diaper is changed often enough, but poo diapers are a different story - where on a young baby lying in a crib filling its diaper from a pure liquid diet, the poo does oze out almost everywhere. Go to an older baby sitting in a high chair filling its diaper before/during or after a meal, and you will have a similar issue. Lets look at a toddler, they tend to hide before filling their diaper - and most poo diapers is almost liquid choclate (sorry for the image) or, if you are lucky, broken tea bag, but the reality is that poo diapers leak on babies. On adults who are diaper dependent, the poo diaper might leak if the diaper is wet from earlier, but that is avoidable if the diaper is changed often enough.

In relation to the question asked, at home I am in a diaper and a top most of the time, but fully dressed when I leave the house etc. I do have a dressing gown that I wear also indoors so I can deal with callers etc., and/or a pair of shorts / tracksuit leggings. My partner is also similar dressed - dressing gown / shorts + top, so that is not an issue.

My office being next to my house, I might put on the leggings / short going to/from the office, but most if not all the time, the diaper is exposed.

Overnight, since I don't wear pjs, I am only in a diaper - but the dressing gown is with easy reach if I need to jump out of bed for any reason - but that is rear, as my Plushies protect me

[FretaBWet]

I voted for I like wearing an uncovered diaper and do it with some frequency. I'm sitting on my couch with my wife as I type this in just a freshly changed Betterdry and a tee shirt. We are doing some kitchen improvements today and I will be dressed just as I am.

Hugs,

Freta

[~Brian~]

I voted for I wear an uncovered diaper with great frequency.  in my mind, there's nothing to worry about, because I am in my apartment sitting in my chair watching TV or doing something that I love, usually hugging a rabbit while I'm doing it. When I get to the point where it gets really out of hand, it makes it real easy for me to be able to just have the diaper on. Love my onesies and I have all different colors but I have my greens my purples my oranges, and I'm planning on getting more colors if they are available I love these things I have 9 of them. Many times I put the onesie on over the diaper because if for example I have to go to the hospital, that way I just slide my pants over the onesie the diaper is already covered and it snapped together, so if I need to have someone help me change it is quite easy, however I do notice that when I'm wearing a diaper with a onesie over it, I went right through the onesie so I'm not sure if there is something that you need to do or if it's just that you have to put the trifecta over the diaper and then put the onesie over the trifecta.

Any thoughts on this? I'd be interested to find out what people think how you would be able to keep your onesie dry so you're not peeing through it or messing through it.

😁😁

Brian

 

[Kawaharu]

For me, it's strictly diapers because Diapers are my underwear and shorts. At home, I'm only allowed a diaper, t-shirt, t-shirt dress, or a onesie on. 

[FretaBWet]

@BrianI think the onsie should be the last layer in your defenses as in disposable diper, then trifecta pants and finally the onsie snapped over the trifectas. Any leaks in your dip will be contained by the diper cover keeping your onsie dry and comfy.

Hugs,

Freta

[babykeiff]

1 hour ago, ~Brian~ said:

I voted for I wear an uncovered diaper with great frequency.  in my mind, there's nothing to worry about, because I am in my apartment sitting in my chair watching TV or doing something that I love, usually hugging a rabbit while I'm doing it. When I get to the point where it gets really out of hand, it makes it real easy for me to be able to just have the diaper on. Love my onesies and I have all different colors but I have my greens my purples my oranges, and I'm planning on getting more colors if they are available I love these things I have 9 of them. Many times I put the onesie on over the diaper because if for example I have to go to the hospital, that way I just slide my pants over the onesie the diaper is already covered and it snapped together, so if I need to have someone help me change it is quite easy, however I do notice that when I'm wearing a diaper with a onesie over it, I went right through the onesie so I'm not sure if there is something that you need to do or if it's just that you have to put the trifecta over the diaper and then put the onesie over the trifecta.

Any thoughts on this? I'd be interested to find out what people think how you would be able to keep your onesie dry so you're not peeing through it or messing through it.

😁😁

Brian

 

@~Brian~, is your rabbit nice.......

 

 

slow roasted in red wine and brandy

[~Brian~]

26 minutes ago, FretaBWet said:

@BrianI think the onsie should be the last layer in your defenses as in disposable diper, then trifecta pants and finally the onsie snapped over the trifectas. Any leaks in your dip will be contained by the diper cover keeping your onsie dry and comfy.

Hugs,

Freta

@FretaBWet

Thank you for that information that's what I thought, but I figured eventually sometimes those trifectas can be a little bit tight because the plastic pants are locking in all of the contents so that you don't want it to leak past your leg openings.

So what I was doing was right. My next question should be if I was to order some more onesies, should I order any particular color? I'm not sure if ABU makes anymore of the colors of their medium onesie but I want to be able to have multiples because I only have 9 and I'm doing laundry every other week to make sure I have dry ones. I wonder what colors they come with I don't know if they even have yellow or blue but I know they have them in different companies. I'd be interested to find out where I could get different colors, because they only had certain ones available on ABU.

I also would like to find out what you all think of what diaper I should get from ABU? I probably would want to get at least the rears safaris because they are so thick comfortable crinkly and all plastic! Those things are awesome and they remind me so much of being a kid, and I have a package of each of the ones I wanted. The ones I am talking about are the SDK's.

While I'm on the subject: I'm considering making a change to the way I store some of the things that I want to hold in storage. Right now I have several things like underpads that are washable, and then I have like 20 pairs of the trifectas, and a bunch of things that I would use for incontinent supplies, but they're currently in a large clear bin. I wonder if @DailyDi Would end up being able to tell me what type of cabinet that he has and how many shelves it might have and how big it is? What I wanna do is find a cabinet that I can place somewhere in my room that has enough room in it so that I can take several bags of stuff like the ABU diapers I have, any of the SDKS any of the rears in any other diapers I want, and just load the cabinet up shelf by shelf and make sure that I have my onesies my trifectas, and anything else that is necessary like wipes and other things and topicals. I figure if I was able to have a versatile Cabinet then I could end up putting it somewhere and it would look really cool rather than having a mess in the corner, because I want to be able to store these things in a cabinet that's big enough to store it without being 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide. Is there such an animal?  or am IA pipe dreamer?

I'm glad to know that I'm doing it correctly. It's really easy once you get used to it, that's why when I go to work I always have a booster in my diaper and then I have the plastics over the diaper and then the onesie over that and then my pants go on. Was in the emergency room, I would just be prepared, in the night that I could not put my pants on, I just loaded onto the stretcher and I had my onesie on, and they helped me with several diaper changes while they are monitoring me in the ER Bay.

I'm glad that I have an understanding care team, and that they were able to help me. I went and saw the ortho and she said that it is definitely arthritis of the neck and the spine. She showed me the films that she had on the monitor, and I agreed that there was an issue there, and she ordered a couple of she ordered a couple of injections one of them is a steroid the other one is radiocardial injection or something to that effect. I have to wait for probably a month before I can know whether they actually have scheduled me for the pain clinic, but once they do that they will inject me directly where I am really nervous or something and then they'll take care of it.

If @Kawaharu Was on our ambulance crew in Vermont, she would probably have to respond at least five times for me, because I was in such pain and agony that there was nothing that I could do other than to ask for help at the hospital. Seems as if the old adage of make someone comfortable, has been replaced with just barely make the person comfortable, and then let him sit there for a few hours, then kick him loose. Both times I went in the early morning hours I went at 3:00 AM and at 4:00 AM, and then this week I also went at 5:30 AM, and then they kicked me loose after an EKG. The doctor didn't even do any medicine, he just kicked me loose. I hate having CP sometimes because what happens is you get tight and you don't have the ability to control your bladder your bowels your muscles or any of their reactions like having your muscles feel like your contractions will cause your head to explode! When I now realize what happened, I am very very very proud of our ambulance team and they were able to respond quick enough to get me out of here, but I'll tell you the structure is kind of comfortable if you get used to it. The funny thing is an ambulance has the same type of lift As a GMT vehicle, and what happens is the stretcher can be raised or lowered using switches, and then when they get the stretcher straight and ready to bring in abort in the ambulance, they hit a button and your ramp goes up with your stretcher on board, and then when it's done it folds underneath the vehicle or within the Channel of the doors. I remember the old days when you had to end up lifting the patient and the stretcher and you had to put that thing on the ambulance yourself. Ambulances are awesome because you don't have to worry just make sure the customer is comfy, and if he is leave him be if not he is probably wishing that he is not having any fun dealing with it.

I must say I didn't think that I would be d

I'm feeling better today but it is hard sometimes because it feels like my head wants to fall off!

Briaoing five or six trips to the ER in 1 week! I told the spine specialist that what was irritating was that it didn't seem as if they were willing to give enough medicine to make you comfortable they just wanted to make sure they give you just barely enough to help you and no more I realize that there may be people that may try to get high or they are overdosing on things like fentanyl and other dangerous drugs but when you need it you need it, and when you have it you should use it in your toolbox when necessary.

I also have to commend BCFD and ambulance: they are professional and they show the caring and compassion and they try to help you as best they can and they tell you everything they're gonna do when they're gonna do it how they're gonna do it and then they tell you for example when the stretch is gonna move or anything else. That's the way it should be, and I'm so glad that BCFD and the ambulance service have been available to us they are top notch and I can't wait to see What happens the next time, but I'm always praying like hell that I don't have a 7th attack! I don't think I could handle it anymore! It's just like your diapers when you're full and you can't hold anymore you just release, and I don't know if the normal request they get is reasonable if You need it. Always enjoy having a nice comfortable pillow underneath my head but I don't exactly know why it feels like I got hit and had with a shovel!

Sigh sometimes I wonder:  I wonder if my head will ever stop pounding, having headaches really sucks but at least I know why my head hurt, I just wish that I could control when it hurts!

Brian

[DailyDi]

1 hour ago, ~Brian~ said:

. I wonder if @DailyDi Would end up being able to tell me what type of cabinet that he has and how many shelves it might have and how big it is? What I wanna do is find a cabinet that I can place somewhere in my room that has enough room in it so that I can take several bags of stuff like the ABU diapers I have, any of the SDKS any of the rears in any other diapers I want, and just load the cabinet up shelf by shelf and make sure that I have my onesies my trifectas, and anything else that is necessary like wipes and other things and topicals.

My cabinet has tree shelves that'll each hold two stacks of diapers, and six drawers for socks and diaper covers. It's a little messy and low stocked atm.

[Little Sherri]

This is drifting from the original topic, but I have three drawers in my bedroom dedicated to "this". Two of them are in my tallboy dresser, on my side of the bed. One contains onesies - I have 14 at last count, and the other, disposables - it can fit about 20, depending on the type, which is generally about a week's worth for me. We have a wall unit across from the bed and I have a drawer in there for cloth diapers and covers. I also have two breathable bags in my top bedside drawer for pacifiers, one for cleaned ones, and one for used ones. I have about 25 of them, and every 3 months or so, I strip them down, wash them, and soak them in food-grade sanitizer, let them dry, and put them back together. 

The basement is another story - in my back, back room, I have two plastic shelves with about 10 cases of diapers on them, some still in boxes, some distributed in totes. 

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The issue of "exposed" vs "uncovered" is public vs private. Now, it was stated several times elsewhere and elsewhen that "diapers are underwear" meaning having the same status as briefs or boxers or panties irrespective of the fact that they are purpose-builit with other things in mind. Now the issue here is are they strictly underwear. Now, it is known that in their own home, persons are sometimes in uncovered undies. That is private and there is no issue. The public space is different. an adult who explicitly has diapers in view is judged to be flaunting it and is therefore an exhibitionist. That is, or should be, the root issue here. That would even extend to rubber panties, which go with diaoers. It would, in fact, extend to ANYthing considered under "indecent exposure", usually pertaining to "bottom"s. It would also pertain to one's home during daytime "business" hours and night "visting" hours, although the sanctions would be more social ("lowlife", "conaglia", gossip or some ostracizing) than legal. Public exposure is different, the standin headline "Man arrested in only diaper..." gives ABDL a bad name because people associate it with eshibitionism which is forcing your kink on others and all "bottom" exposure is considered sexual since that is the area of the genitalia. That is the context in which this thread makes sense: Deliberate in view in time or place. From what I am told the "onsie" is a derivative of the "creeper" which was a on-piece, snap-crotch infant garment designed for both decency and to hold things in ln place, and was designed to be attractive. a similar item was the "bubble suit" which Carolyn's Kids had for sale back in the day. But an adult would not wear these in public. The current "onesie" looks more like underwear to me since it is relatively close to form-fitting as I see it

[Little Sherri]

16 minutes ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

But an adult would not wear these in public.

I'd never wear exclusively one of these in public, but they are indispensable for keeping underwear under there. Mine look like plain t-shirts from the waist up, but have a snap crotch. They enable a complete lack of concern for the possibility that one's diaper might play peekaboo with the people behind you, were you to squat or bend over or sit down on a chair with an open back. I almost never leave the house without one on, other than in the depths of winter when I'm wearing a sweater and a jacket and I know the odds of something private I have one three layers deep becoming visible would be very low. In the summer, a onesie that looks like a sober t-shirt, and a pair of shorts, is the ideal hot weather outfit for the diapered individual. 

[babykeiff]

Lets consider the concept of modesty, when and where it began in the world, and the corresponding enforcement of same. Some members here seem to see this topic to be discussing exposure of diapers in public where most are replying to exposure of diapers in private settings.

Around 10,000 BC, genitalia was commonly exposed in life, and all art forms. It was not until roughly 4 AD following Christianity becoming the state religion in the Roman empire, that exposed genitalia was considered a sin. What followed was a series of changes :-

• stonework that had exposed genitalia was either covered with a fig leaf or something, or the 'offending article was simple broken off',
• art work (paintings) were modified to disquise the exposed genitalia with an object etc.

The root of Christianity is the Bible, and nowhere in the bible is any reference to genitalia exposure being a sin. If one looks at history, this 'ruling' came from 'organised religious groups' - and due to their influnce in society then and now, it is now unacceptable to have exposed genitalia. These same religious groups, and misinterpretation of what they stated also enforced hiding undergarments to such an extent that women used to wear clothes where none of their skin was exposed. Today, it is considered OK for women to expose skin and some clothes do expose undergarments. The thinking and belief of hiding undergarments went to extremes in France and England where women would be clothed from nose to toes. Over the years, this had been relaxed by most people worldwide, but still some old ideas (18th-19th century dress) are being inforced by members here.

In certain countries, strict dress style and sence is being enforced by elders perception of bible teachings, or Quaran depending on prevailing religious beliefs. These include clothes that only allow visibility of the eyes and nose.

This 'modesty' concept is hilarious to me when one evaluates its source. If Christian belief of the day presumed that the nose was offensive to view, we would all be wearing nose knickers etc... and sex shops would be selling g-strings to cover the nose while all the time, people would be running around with exposed genitalia for everyone to see and compare.

In relation to diapers, if one looks at the history of same, it was not until the widespread use of plastic / rubber pants were diapers hidden from view - as when a baby wet their diaper they would leak everywhere - and needed to be changed. Changing a diaper is work, but not as much work as changing every item of clothing a baby is wearing. Yes, there are pictures of babies in robes, but that is for an event that the baby is attending. Diapers were originally a modesty item, a way to cover the babies genitalia in public. i.e. Nappy derived from anglisized term nappé, the french word for table cloth, or more likely napkin, a small piece of table cloth to hide baby genitalia.  The diaper itself was originally a piece of woven coth (the weave increased absorbancy as compared to linen) to protect house dwelling babies from wetting on everything - and when the baby wet, the diaper was used to dry up the puddles, rinsed out, hung by the fire and then reused. Most of the time, babies travelling (like on a treck across states in US) where either naked or wrapped in a diaper while asleep. These diapers were hung by a fire to dry and reused. The diapers were not washed as it was believed that urine was a good disenfectant. Sometimes, wet diapers were just rung into a bucket to collect the urine before being hung infront of a fire to dry.

It was cold climate babies that were wrapped up, and the diaper part of the wrap and was made from moss and leaves - so when wet, was just replaced. The basket the baby was in was also a way to carry the baby, and to prevent the baby touching the snow as it was laid down for the diaper to be changed. These babies sometimes messed in the moss, but it was rare due to the extra work of its parent in cleaning the basket plus the limits of water to do so. Yes, there was snow, but using same on a baby to clean it would be a bit rough.

In warmer climates, babies like most primates, clung onto their mother using their hands and feet, and signalled their need to void. The young / human baby never wet or messed on parent that was carrying it - and when the baby needed to void, the parent would hold thier offspring away from themselves close to, or on a branch / ground where the baby would spread it feet and toes to enhance balance before voiding. Babies today do same, spread toes/feet before wetting / filling their diapers.

Before the introduction of plastic/rubber pants, babies were never allowed to mess same - not only due to the inability to get the cloth clean again - but also due to the act of potting a baby before/after a meal.

Hand washing wet diapers is only a matter of rinsing same, but with a poo diaper it involves a lot more labour - and without the benifit of washing machines or running water and/or hot water, it was very labour intensive and time consuming. Child rearing skills being passed from mother to daughter also passed on the ways to raise a child while not letting child mess in diapers.

With the introduction of plastic/rubber pants, diapers were more hidden and babies were let mess their diapers. This created the problem of diaper rash - which signifies to the grand mother that their daughter (the mother of the baby) is failing in her job. As a result, it took until the demand for women during war time, plus the introduction of diaper services before plastic/rubber pants on diapers plus babies messing diapers to be acceptable. Prior to that, it was a sense of pride to a mother for another to see their child sporting pristine white diapers AND a line full of white diapers drying in the breeze.

With the introduction of diaper covers and diaposable inserts and then pin on disposable diapers followed by tape on disposable diapers, more and more babies were raised in these type of diapers - wetting and messing same to their hearts content.

These diapers were changed to baby-shape, long lasting, super absorbant, super dry etc, each invention supposed to be better that the previous for your precious little angel.

The simple fact is, over the centuries, the toilet training age has slowly increased from 6-9 months to 6-9 years due to the changing products that are supposed to be better for your precious little angel

- as is the concept of modesty from none 10,000 BC to genitalia being chopped off, 4AD and continuing today where to some, diaper exposure in private is a little risque, but underwear exposure of any kind in public is a hanging offense!

Most of us remember running almost naked or in just underwear on the beach / near a water hole / any water source even a standpipe in the city to cool down in the summer, where babies / young children toddling around in just a diaper and sitting / playing with the water etc. In the 60s/70s/80s it was acceptable to see kids doing that. Today that is classed as exposure - all because a group of prudes in 4 BC are unable to read a bible, and they decide what the rest of the world should do.

Where is the concept and gift of free will?

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

As a person who remembers before the late 1960/s/early '70's and what it took to win our freedom, I do NOT  go en petite fille nor wear in public. The public space was meant for the equal use of all and as such are "vanilla". The Dobbs decision should illustrate how easily things can be overturned and there are plenty of persons who would like to see things revert to the way they were before. I do not wish to give them that chance. Besides which, I suppo9rt that public space neutralitry. If you do not want the public in your bedroom, do not put your bedroom in the public eye. Also I do not need the onesie as my diapers and things are helt up by good, secure pins and waistbands

[babykeiff]

Equality means open for all without predjuice - therefore any public space being equal means ANYTHING can occur there, including public exposure of diapers. It is the parents / careers obligation & responsibility to protect their child from what they would see as inappropiate, NOT everyone else. You can't farm out care and responsibility of your child to the rest of the world.

THAT IS FREEDOM

[Lil Leo]

Hiii!

To qualify my answer "nearly always visible " T-shirt and diaper in the house and back yard most of the time but out and about covered up but may peek out at waistline squatting or bent over. 

🧜‍♂️

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

17 hours ago, babykeiff said:

Equality means open for all without predjuice - therefore any public space being equal means ANYTHING can occur there, including public exposure of diapers. It is the parents / careers obligation & responsibility to protect their child from what they would see as inappropiate, NOT everyone else. You can't farm out care and responsibility of your child to the rest of the world.

THAT IS FREEDOM

That is anarchy, which turns the public space into a battlefield. Which then devolves to the situation where the strongest  or most numerous dictate the terms according to their liking. Because of the presumed sexual nature of kink, and sex was considered private; i.e. behind closed doors the rule became "Keep the kink at home". The idea was to avoid giving offense and there was the matter of children, who also inhabited the public space. This also prevented the public space from being co-opted by the religious fanatics. Once the Uptights secured control of the public space, they would go after the private under the aegis of "they [the "anything goes" crowd] cannot be trusted and they would jam thier kink down our throats so, in the name of virtue,we  move first". I was around to watch it. This is how it went down, I am not presenting a proposition for debate.

Freedom is you do as you wish, on your own time, your own dime and in your own place so long as you do not initiate force or fraud. The use of public space to express one's kink, because there are children and those who do not wish to be part of such, is considered forcing your kink on others which is the initiation of force. The claim that "they can look away" does not stand up since you are making them respond to your deliberate actions and thereby appropriating the public space to your wishes

The "anything goes" doctrine, which was the province of fanatics or the immature, was defeated by "what if a person wishes to fire a gun willy-nilly in the area or shout 'fire!' when there is none, as a prank or just for kicks? ['ANYTHING  can occur' I am talking you at your word]". So right away, anyone with a modicum of mentality, a moiety of their morbales and a minimum of matureity would have to agree to setting some limits. As was put by an anti-drunk driving ad from a few years back "Your l ifestyle is your business, but when you take it out on the road, it's everybody's business". Even DPF supported a policy of "balance" and knowing where you are and what you may do

The doctrine that was agreed to was "freedom from..." to the benefit of all. The "equality" was that, by this doctrine, each could enjoy the public space in an appropriate manner since only a fanatic would want to force his/her wishes on others. Both the Anything Goes and the Uptights were treated with the same disdain by most persons; the one with "keep it at home" and the other with "mind your own business". Which ever one steps out of line will push the majority over to the other by giving that other the opportunity and excuse to say "See? I told you this would happen if you gave them an inch"

[FretaBWet]

@Little BabyDoll Christine if you choose to live your life a certain way because you fear what people will think about you or do that is your right. I support your right to your opinion and your right to live as you choose. As an American I have the constitutional right to "the pursuit of happiness". Your problem is that you think everybody should live by your rules and your fear and the simple fact is we don't. Walking around with your sagging pants showing about a foot of your boxers is an everyday occurrence here in America. According to you, diapers and plastic pants are underwear and we agree on that. If people can walk around with their jeans halfway to their thighs then anybody can let their diaper or plastic pants show the same way. It's called equality. I think it's sad that you have freedom but are too frightened to exercise it but if that is what makes you happy then that's awesome. Just don't expect all of us to follow your parade.

Hugs,

Freta