Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Adult Baby Play / Incontinence

[babykeiff]

I can go into conspiracy theories, brain washing, manipulation etc... and argue for ever with fools. None of this will get the point across.

There is only one simple easy fact here...

It has been identified that hand washing and social distancing might protect us all.

If one looks at pure logic - do x and you might live, don't do x and you will die. How easy is that choice? Even if the scientists are wrong, what is the cost to us? The cost is to business that depends on us customers to interact on a one to one basis, to consume oil to move us around, to consume, to consume, to consume. Business has to change to survive... and those that don't will shut down. Bars / restaurants / hotels / tourism are a few of the industries that are going to have to change. No longer can they squash us in like sardines.

In March 2004, Ireland introduced an outright smoking ban that affected these industries. The world followed suite and these businesses had to adapt or shut their doors. These businesses actually grew due to the increase of non-smoking customers.

Due to people working from home instead of commuting to work places have increased the standard of the air we breath, the work-life balance  - due to people able to interact with their children and not wasting part of their life on the commute. Crime levels have dropped - as most children are now under the guidance of their parents and not some faceless creche / childcare facility. Stress levels have also dropped - as people are no longer rushing (suffering road rage etc) to get to a physical location. I suspect that people will begin to spread out of the high density population of large cities as, the longer this goes on, the more people will realize that one does not need to be in commute distance of their place of work - their place of work is in their home.

Yes, the world will have to adapt, and for every change, there is always the few who do not want to change.

In a lot of ways, this virus is a wake up and a benefit for the world - it has reduced pollution, improved work-life balance, reduced crime, and focused us on the health and welfare of everyone no matter what country you live in and/or your religious beliefs (the version of the book you read) etc.

Yes, there are people dying from this worldwide. What has been proven time and time again over centuries, when something like this hits, first the innocent die, then the foolish (those incapable of learning). In business, when a change happens, business has to adapt, otherwise, it closes. In life, we adapt to the challenges or die. Charles Darwin observed this in the mutation of species to their environment.

This species (human) has to adapt / mutate or die - and we cannot let the greed for shiny things (capitalism) change our primary focus of survival of the species.

 

[Greybird]

27 minutes ago, babykeiff said:

I can go into conspiracy theories, brain washing, manipulation etc... and argue for ever with fools. None of this will get the point across.

There is only one simple easy fact here...

It has been identified that hand washing and social distancing might protect us all.

If one looks at pure logic - do x and you might live, don't do x and you will die. How easy is that choice? Even if the scientists are wrong, what is the cost to us? The cost is to business that depends on us customers to interact on a one to one basis, to consume oil to move us around, to consume, to consume, to consume. Business has to change to survive... and those that don't will shut down. Bars / restaurants / hotels / tourism are a few of the industries that are going to have to change. No longer can they squash us in like sardines.

In March 2004, Ireland introduced an outright smoking ban that affected these industries. The world followed suite and these businesses had to adapt or shut their doors. These businesses actually grew due to the increase of non-smoking customers.

Due to people working from home instead of commuting to work places have increased the standard of the air we breath, the work-life balance  - due to people able to interact with their children and not wasting part of their life on the commute. Crime levels have dropped - as most children are now under the guidance of their parents and not some faceless creche / childcare facility. Stress levels have also dropped - as people are no longer rushing (suffering road rage etc) to get to a physical location. I suspect that people will begin to spread out of the high density population of large cities as, the longer this goes on, the more people will realize that one does not need to be in commute distance of their place of work - their place of work is in their home.

Yes, the world will have to adapt, and for every change, there is always the few who do not want to change.

In a lot of ways, this virus is a wake up and a benefit for the world - it has reduced pollution, improved work-life balance, reduced crime, and focused us on the health and welfare of everyone no matter what country you live in and/or your religious beliefs (the version of the book you read) etc.

Yes, there are people dying from this worldwide. What has been proven time and time again over centuries, when something like this hits, first the innocent die, then the foolish (those incapable of learning). In business, when a change happens, business has to adapt, otherwise, it closes. In life, we adapt to the challenges or die. Charles Darwin observed this in the mutation of species to their environment.

This species (human) has to adapt / mutate or die - and we cannot let the greed for shiny things (capitalism) change our primary focus of survival of the species.

 

I think it unfortunate to blame capitalism for the world’s ills. I think you’re argument ignores the fact the the human being is a competitive creature, he wants to provide for his family and do better than his neighbour. He does that by working harder, being wiser, taking risks etc. It is in our dna. We also like beautiful, useful things, they endow our lives with an uplifting spirit. It makes us creative and energises us. In my view, socialism does not do that. Look at the countries that are driven by socialism, Russia, China and others. They exude no joy, their buildings are dull as are the peoples lives as they are so controlled by the ‘leaders’. There is no creativity, no energy. If you want a good example of a social system working well, look at Bournville or John Lewis in the UK. These companies looked/look after their employees with housing, healthcare etc. They saw the value of a motivated workforce, but they still had to sell their product to pay for the system to work. That’s capitalism. It might need controlling occasionally (although the markets do the controlling very well, ie 2008), but it is how the world works like it or not.

[babykeiff]

33 minutes ago, Greybird said:

I think it unfortunate to blame capitalism for the world’s ills. I think you’re argument ignores the fact the the human being is a competitive creature, he wants to provide for his family and do better than his neighbour. He does that by working harder, being wiser, taking risks etc. It is in our dna. We also like beautiful, useful things, they endow our lives with an uplifting spirit. It makes us creative and energises us. In my view, socialism does not do that. Look at the countries that are driven by socialism, Russia, China and others. They exude no joy, their buildings are dull as are the peoples lives as they are so controlled by the ‘leaders’. There is no creativity, no energy. If you want a good example of a social system working well, look at Bournville or John Lewis in the UK. These companies looked/look after their employees with housing, healthcare etc. They saw the value of a motivated workforce, but they still had to sell their product to pay for the system to work. That’s capitalism. It might need controlling occasionally (although the markets do the controlling very well, ie 2008), but it is how the world works like it or not.

I agree completely in your sentiment. It is not capitalism that I blame for the worlds behavior, nor do I blame / condone communism and/or socialism. What I support is true and complete equality and freedoms. What I blame is the greed and ignorance of a certain few. If we continue down this pure capitalistic road, I suspect that the concepts portrayed in the film In Time would become a reality.

Laws exist because, in reality, a certain few cannot behave in a true equal manner. We see this in a young child - pushing and pushing to learn boundaries - but in a so called adult pushing laws to see how much that they can get away with - that is immature and childish. A young child can learn - these adults can't.

The pure capitalist puts the drive for money ahead of the value of human life. They see human life as a commodity to be used for profit. This, in my opinion, is selfishness and greed for no gain that is worth anything. We all die - FACT. No matter how rich or poor you are financially does not control the time you die. Yes, the financially wealthy can die in a comfortable and warm bed / hospital.... but is that any use to them. They are DEAD. We cannot take the wealth with us, and others, after our death fight to get the financial wealth we leave behind. So why the drive for financial wealth?

If we look at the root of humans based on any belief, it states that we came from the same parents. That means that we are all of the same extended family. Humans are one of the species in the world that discriminates / kills its own. Every other species works either alone or together for the combined strength of the species.

I'd love to see a world without greed and a world without the need for laws. This needs education - we are supposed to learn history so not to make the mistakes of our past, but still we repeat them time and time again. If this behavior continues - the concept of 'me first', the human species is destined to die out.

Across the world, charity and fundraisers have been set up to help feed the healthcare workers / elderly / isolated. This is having a secondary effect of keeping some restaurants (kitchens) open and their staff employed. This is the kind of adaption to business I expect the world to do, where business are putting people ahead of pure profit.

A large amount of Banks etc are putting loan repayments etc on hold for 30+ days to reduce the stress on workers who are on reduced / zero income due to the effects of this virus - Yet, I see some people complaining that their profits are to be reduced this sector. This is the greed I am talking about - people looking for a way to make more money on the cost of human life and hardship.

[spark]

I apologize to anybody who has a pet passion, whether it's social justice, global warming, veganism, or even making sure we accept people who identify as purple butterflies.   In a normal times- you can blame capitalism, socialism, liberals, Trump, Borris, Pelosi, the Illuminati,  and rhino poachers for all the worlds ills.   I'll be glad to debate this with you in a few months.  Right now- I really don't care.

I had a friend who asked, "Why are spending so much energy on this, and not global warming?"   Eventually after thinking about, I could have answered "Because the doctors were better at convincing us.  It's their show, and our job is to do what they tell us.

Nor do I really care where this came from, or any other conspiracy.  Show me evidence.  If there is no evidence it's probably false.

 

[Brudda Voodu]

I went to the park yesterday for a run since the weather was nice.  It was FULL of people who were not wearing masks/gloves and all if them were smiling.  Seems like life goes on for most of us.  Its not all doom and gloom.

"Say your prayers and take your vitamins, brother!"  Hulk Hogan

 

 

 

 

[spark]

15 hours ago, Brudda Voodu said:

I went to the park yesterday for a run since the weather was nice.  It was FULL of people who were not wearing masks/gloves and all if them were smiling.  Seems like life goes on for most of us.  Its not all doom and gloom.

"Say your prayers and take your vitamins, brother!"  Hulk Hogan

 

 

 

 

Stay 6 feet away and the park is fine.  Don't go to restaurant, use take out.   Don't go to bars.  Avoid places where people congregate indoors.  We need to eat- go to stores.  Order delivery (PS- Tip you delivery person really well), and just stay away.

People have been nicer in this.  When I walk- we all greet each other , smile and make sure to stay away from each other.

[Brudda Voodu]

10 hours ago, spark said:

Stay 6 feet away and the park is fine.  Don't go to restaurant, use take out.   Don't go to bars.  Avoid places where people congregate indoors.  We need to eat- go to stores.  Order delivery (PS- Tip you delivery person really well), and just stay away.

People have been nicer in this.  When I walk- we all greet each other , smile and make sure to stay away from each other.

What are you gonna do, brother, when hulkamania runs wild on you!?

 

[babykeiff]

On 3/19/2020 at 5:33 AM, spark said:

I apologize to anybody who has a pet passion, whether it's social justice, global warming, veganism, or even making sure we accept people who identify as purple butterflies.   In a normal times- you can blame capitalism, socialism, liberals, Trump, Borris, Pelosi, the Illuminati,  and rhino poachers for all the worlds ills.   I'll be glad to debate this with you in a few months.  Right now- I really don't care.

 

You don't need to apologize for your primal instinct of self survival. The reason I identified my opinion on these is since the viral attack, how we move on post this, I think, will be in question.

On 3/19/2020 at 5:33 AM, spark said:

I had a friend who asked, "Why are spending so much energy on this, and not global warming?"   Eventually after thinking about, I could have answered "Because the doctors were better at convincing us.  It's their show, and our job is to do what they tell us.

Nor do I really care where this came from, or any other conspiracy.  Show me evidence.  If there is no evidence it's probably false.

 

In relation to global warming, the self isolation, working from home and border closure as being practiced by most in Europe has drastically affected the pollution levels in the air. In Ireland, the air is sweet and clean since we have little to no vehicles / aircraft moving. Also, the work-life balance has increased since most people are no longer spending 2-3+ hours stuck in traffic in their daily commute to/from their office / place of work. This also means that these people are now interacting with their children etc... a saving to the cost of 24 hour business. In some ways, I am somewhat happy that this virus has arrived - it educated the ignorant and forces the arrogant that there is a better way to live that does not include giving ones life for the benefit of some faceless soul-less money grabbing machine. It also shows that the world is full of humans, with human kindness and caring toward their fellow man and woman - which also makes public the selfish and greedy.

[pcbaby2011]

Firstly let's all calm down and look at the current known facts.  The Corona Virus and covid 19 are basically the same thing the covid 19 refers to the particular strain of Corona we are dealing with.  The Corona virus is fairly common world wide but every now and then kicks out a distinctly nasty one.  Hand Washing will help as the virus is very strong and current research says it can survive in an active state on hard surfaces for a minimum ot 72 hours but can survive upto 7 days.  Current infection rates double every 4 days, so 1,2 4 8,16 etc.  Normal paper surgical masks will not stop the virus, the virus particles are way too small, you need a mask with some form of active barrier so cycling masks, anyi-pollution masks, masks with charcoal filters will help stop the virus.  The current mortatlity rate is on average around 3.4%,  The Spanish Flu had a mortatlity rate of around 5% and eventually 1 in 3 people were infected Covid ahs Yet to reach anything like that, but unless we take the precautions we are told to we can get a grip on it.  If we don;t get a grip on it theneveryone is at risk not just those in the vulnerable groups.  So stay home if at all possible, only go out for a short walk once a day mainting 2 meters between people, only go out shopping or to pick up medicines when needed, don't stockpile food etc, there is plenty to go round.  If /covis does get bad then the first proffession it will affect will be health workers.  Currently in Italy 14% of people affected are health workers/.  Fianlly please excuse baad speeling and typos, I have fixed finger joints and they sometime fail to press the key I'm aiming at.

 

Stay safe

 

[willnotwill]

he Corona Virus and covid 19 are basically the same thing the covid 19 refers to the particular strain of Corona we are dealing with. 

This is incorrect.   COVID-19 is the disease you get from the virus.   The virus is officially named SARS-CoV-2.   SARS-CoV-2 is a specific strain of corona virus, in the same way that H1N1 was a specific strain of Influenza.

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and Washing will help as the virus is very strong and current research says it can survive in an active state on hard surfaces for a minimum ot 72 hours but can survive upto 7 days. 

That again is incorrect in a number of ways.   First it misquotes the duration of the virus remaining active.   The second problem with it, is it has yet to be determine what the rate of infection is for surface-to-hand-to-nose/mouth transmission.    What is known is that the aerosolized droplets, breathing the air that someone infected used with in the past three hours, is rather contagious.    It doesn't just mean coughing or sneezing.   Talking and even just breathing spews these atomiazed droplets out.     Handwashing alone won't do a darned thing.   In fact, handwashing (while good for lots of reasons) probably isn't doing much here.    What we all should be doing is staying away from others and if that's not avoidable, masking up.     The problem is masks are a scarce commodity, but everybody has soap.

 

[babykeiff]

Corona Virus = shortened name of SARS_CoV2 (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Corona Virus 2)

CoViD = CoronaVirusDisease

Source of Worldwide Published Figures

Since the 0.2-0.5 micron virus has a lipid outer layer surrounded by spikes of S protein and HE protein, the ability of soap to lower the surface tension of water ensures that oils (like lipids) are soluble (dissolve) in water. This breaks down the envelope that this virus is contained in, thus destroying the virus. The lipid layer will stay bonded for 3 days on most surfaces before natural seperation of oils begin to occur.

This all states that SARS_CoV2 can last on surfaces for 2-3 days. When one touches this surface, the virus can easily be transferred to hands, and via human behavior of touching face / mouth / nose / eyes, transferred into the air channels of humans. Once here, the S protein attaches to the Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) on the Type II cells within the lungs. The Type II cells function is changed by the virus to duplication itself instead of lubricate the lung tissue. Type I cells are involved in gas exchange (breathing), while Type II cells protect this vital function. As these cells are being destroyed, one looses the ability to flex ones lungs and therefore, the ability to breath. Secondly, the collection of dead cells combined with dead immune cells and dead virus cells in the lungs creates a fluid that also reduces the ability of the lungs to exchange gas - oxygen for carbon dioxide. = one drowns from the inside. Without the gas exchange of oxygen - carbon dioxide, internal organs start to reduce function and die.

Most previous virus encountered did not attach to and/or harm the Type II cells in the lungs. Since this cell is so critical for survival (any other damage to the human body can easily be temporarily bypassed while it self repairs - the lungs cannot) damage to this causes internal organ failure - liver / kidneys etc.

The simplest and easiest way to prevent ingress of any virus, is to disrupt its path. Since soap can destroy the virus envelope, proper hand washing kills the virus that are on the hands thus stopping the transmission of the virus from hands to human air systems.

Human needs are based on having simple basics, and it is foolish to seek the next level without ensuring the current one is fully met. Abraham Maslow identified a hierarchy. According to Maslow, firstly what is required is physciological needs (air, water, food, shelter, sleep, clothing, reproduction). This assumes that one has life i.e is alive. It is not until one addresses safety needs (personal security, employment, resources...) does money/capitalism become a requirement.

Simply = Wash hands, stay alive. Put your priorities in place.

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Yup the masks are a joke virus is way too small for them to stop them. I find this virus is extremely over-hyped especially the fact people are still going to grocery stores with food imported from soo many different locations. It's impossible to stop the virus with masks and these other useless procedures. In fact I heard staying in your house is the worse idea! Your supposed to go out in the sun and get Vitamin D. The sun also kills a lot of viruses. It's absolute lunacy to promote lock downs in peoples houses! First time in history that the world shut down for basically a flu virus that we basically deal with every fall.

[DailyDi]

14 hours ago, FlyLikeAnEagle said:

Yup the masks are a joke virus is way too small for them to stop them. I find this virus is extremely over-hyped especially the fact people are still going to grocery stores with food imported from soo many different locations. It's impossible to stop the virus with masks and these other useless procedures. In fact I heard staying in your house is the worse idea! Your supposed to go out in the sun and get Vitamin D. The sun also kills a lot of viruses. It's absolute lunacy to promote lock downs in peoples houses! First time in history that the world shut down for basically a flu virus that we basically deal with every fall.

Masks do work. Social distancing and safer-at-home practices do work. You can still go outside and get some sun, just safely. This isn't just another flu. Providing such factually wrong information puts lives at risk. Listen to the doctors not the politicians.

[willnotwill]

The virus is not airborne itself.   It travels on the aerosolized droplets.    Even a cheap cloth mask is VERY effective to keep an infected person from spraying the stuff all over the environment.   The cloth masks aren't great on blocking stuff coming in.   The N95s are rated at the right size for the average particle size.

I find it is amusing that we are right back to the conclusions posted in the original article.   Surface contamination is a minimal problem.   Being in close proximity to an infected person breathing/talking/coughing is.    I've been wearing my N95 since day one when I go out.

 

[Clr224]

4 hours ago, willnotwill said:

The virus is not airborne itself.   It travels on the aerosolized droplets.    Even a cheap cloth mask is VERY effective to keep an infected person from spraying the stuff all over the environment.   The cloth masks aren't great on blocking stuff coming in.   The N95s are rated at the right size for the average particle size.

I find it is amusing that we are right back to the conclusions posted in the original article.   Surface contamination is a minimal problem.   Being in close proximity to an infected person breathing/talking/coughing is.    I've been wearing my N95 since day one when I go out.

 

Glad you could find an N95 mask. I had a couple left in a package I’d bought at Ace Hardware while I was doing some dusty house maintenance. However, they were over 5 years old and the elastics were rather fragile. I still haven’t been able to find any available recently. 

[willnotwill]

21 minutes ago, Clr224 said:

Glad you could find an N95 mask. I had a couple left in a package I’d bought at Ace Hardware while I was doing some dusty house maintenance. However, they were over 5 years old and the elastics were rather fragile. I still haven’t been able to find any available recently. 

That's close to my story.    I had a couple of boxes in my workshop because I'm allergic to several kinds of wood.    I gave one whole unopened box to one of the neighborhood healthcare providers early on in the crisis.   I kept a few for myself.

[WetDad]

I have a box in my woodshop as well for the same reason. I deal with a number of swamp woods that can be hazardous, so I keep N95's around for that. My I have one in each car for the times I go in to town.

[rusty pins]

I find it so amazing that some people will believe only what they want to in the face of contrary evidence!  All these people dying from Covid-19 world wide, the fact that stay at home and social distancing has brought the number of infected people down, the fact that the desiese starts spiking again when the bars and other places start to open up again and the fact that the average idiot spouts their own thoughts as the truth in spite of the WHO and medical experts in the field.  Some people don't have to worry about a zombie apocalypses - no brains!

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

On 5/23/2020 at 4:44 PM, DailyDi said:

Masks do work. Social distancing and safer-at-home practices do work. You can still go outside and get some sun, just safely. This isn't just another flu. Providing such factually wrong information puts lives at risk. Listen to the doctors not the politicians.

No they don't! It's like a chain link fence trying to block a mosquito. The virus is way too small to stop the virus from getting through a mask. Fauci even said they don't! He's going back and forth on his story. Now he's saying we have to reopen. A couple weeks ago he wanted keep us closed till next year. I don't trust Fauci sorry! People from all walks life can be corrupt. Who cares if he's a so called expert. Doesn't take much intelligence to know when someone is lying.

The virus is obviously over hyped and glad some states are realizing that and reopening! The food supply is already endangered farmers started killing their cattle and food is rotting. Starvation a much bigger concern to me and should be yours than the virus! And no don't get my opinion through politicians its just good old forgotten common sense! Elon Musk told cali to screw themselves and is moving Tesla to another state! Good for him! We can't live under a rock forever! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/top-threats-us-food-supply

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

19 hours ago, rusty pins said:

I find it so amazing that some people will believe only what they want to in the face of contrary evidence!  All these people dying from Covid-19 world wide, the fact that stay at home and social distancing has brought the number of infected people down, the fact that the desiese starts spiking again when the bars and other places start to open up again and the fact that the average idiot spouts their own thoughts as the truth in spite of the WHO and medical experts in the field.  Some people don't have to worry about a zombie apocalypses - no brains!

Your expert Fauci actually contradicted himself here's him telling us mask are not effective in March! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

[rusty pins]

........ As I said above.

[babykeiff]

In relation to masks, there are no proof to state that masks do or do not work with SARS_COV2 as full tests with this has not been fully carried out. The virus is NOVEL CORONAVIRUS = new. Full information about this virus is slow in coming due to mistakes being fatal.

It is known that the virus is so small that it can pass through most masks, but masks can stop larger particles which the virus can hitch a ride on. The virus is usually not in its smaller size for long.

Some countries require masks, some don't. If one coughs / sneezes while wearing a mask, the spray is much less. When one breaths out, the distance the air travels is much less.

The virus can last 4-6 hours in micro droplets of water in the air. Wearing a mask forces them to the ground rather than to other people. Wearing a mask ensures that one does not breath in unfiltered air. As a result, the mask can stop one breathing in these virus laden micro droplets.

In a hospital, masks and face shields are used, but even that is not 100% protection from infection.

What has been proven to work is the social distancing. Countries worldwide that employed that have dropped the community transmission rate to below 1. That does not mean that the virus is gone. It just means that keeping away from others will reduce your chance of catching it. 

 

[rusty pins]

Mask's may not be 100% effective, but they sure do cut down on exposure to particles in the air.  I'd rather be wearing a mask when someone around me coughs or sneezes that not having one on at all.

[WetDad]

I wear a mask to protect others from me, and I ask others to do likewise. 

[rusty pins]

14 hours ago, WetDad said:

I wear a mask to protect others from me, and I ask others to do likewise. 

Excellent!  Too bad there are so many others out there who don't follow this simple safety measure.