Goodbye :(

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Another problem is this: What is secual arousal? There are two anatomical facts here for a male

1. The nature of the organ tissue. That is where there are many touch-sensitive nerve endings and can be stimulated by physical contact

2. Cardio-vauscular. the erection is caused by blood flow. Now any boy who ever lived can tell stories about being called on to stand up in class to read or recite something at the worst possible moment. This system responds to tneperature

These exist and function independently of what one is thinking, hence the dreaded "morning woody". They can also learn so that one gets an erection from looking at the oddest and totally unsexual things just from having them around enought times when one was under stimulation. In Psychology, this is called "superstitious behavior". I am aware of the psycho-technology that could get you going at the strangest things. That is what is involved int a fetish in the modrern use of the word, in the old days it was called "getting a thrill out of..." and more recently "getting a ride (or rise) out of ...". If one has a diaper fetish then seeing a baby being changed has a good chance of triggering that reaction. It is not the baby, it is the diaper. An observer would say, "Gee so and so gets 'aroused' whenever he or she sees a baby being changed. Must have a thing about babies [since he/she gets aroused consistently at the site of the baby being changed]" This is called a "confounding variable" situatiion since the baby accompanies the diaper consistently with the appearance of the baby being the confounding variable. A confounding variable is a variable that appears with the actually relevant variable

Now The genitalia function as they do because of what they are, independent of any content. In the case of the poor person being called to stand up in class at the worse possible moment, is the warmth of the room and one's clothing sexual? In the case of the "morning woody" what is sexual there? In the case of the fetish, and you get some pretty wild ones, and the "superstitious behavior" what is in fact sexual? and in the last case, It is not likely that the baby or the diaper are inherently sexual. simply the memory of having a diaper rub one the right way

So this goes back to the question of what is sexual arousal? it must obviously be more than just triggering some normal reaction of the organs based on their physical structure since that happens all day long and at ages well before puberty and before the sexual component of the brain is even there or enabled

[WBDaddy]

If I were the one making the rules, the ONLY allowed reference to underage would be personal reminisces and sharing of our own life, and nothing more

That's a pretty harsh position, BP, and I suppose it makes me happy that you're not making the rules, because I would be pretty stunned if my innocuous stories about life lessons and growing up were banned because, by their very nature, they're about kids.

[Zander]

I've made this post before:

Please keep in mind that in some countries (e.g. The United Kingdom) people have been arrested over stories (yes, text only)* which describe scenes where if they were made or viewed in an image format, would be illegal to possess. In short, in publishing such content, you may be causing people who view it to be in a very dodgy position (note: they don't even have to read it - simply accessing the page is legally very dodgy ground). You are increasing the risk that sites such as this become inherently dangerous for many of us to visit, or end up getting banned** so that we simply cannot visit them.

Furthermore it also opens up the site owners and moderators to possible legal action. Remember that safe harbour rules do not apply to sites like this, and the US has many states where I expect you could secure a conviction for purely text only content. (California, New York, Washington etc. might be a bit more sane, but what if I filed my case in, say, an Arizona, Iowa or Louisiana court?)

Honestly, I think there should be a clear rule here: stories which describe characters under 18 and where the story involves what could be reasonably interpreted to be a sex acts of any kind should be immediately removed and the poster warned this is not the place for them.

**: Organisations like the Internet Watch Foundation may also not be lenient; allowing such content onto the site puts it at risk of being put on internet blacklists such as those which affect virtually all UK and Australian internet users. Hell, even Wikipedia has had this problem (yes, an article on it was blacklisted for hundreds of millions of users due to an IWF decision - many millions lost access to *ALL* wikipedia pages until someone revoked the decision when this happened).

*: Example:

Last year Darryn Walker, a 35-year-old civil servant from South Shields was charged with publishing obscene material in respect of a story he posted up on the alt sex story repository (NSFW). This included descriptions of the brutal rape and subsequent murder of well-known girl group Girls Aloud.

A member of the public reported his story to the Internet Watch Foundation, who passed the matter on to the police. They, in turn, investigated and decided to recommend a prosecution be brought.

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/23/girls_aloud_case/

Things like this are good reasons why I think the community as a whole should agree on a set of behavioral guidelines, a code of conduct, a set of ethics. Things ABDLs do, things ABDLs don't do. Something to adhere to if you want to be a member of the community in good standing. A BIG part of that should be zero tolerance for postings of any kind involving persons under the age of 18.

All of us cringe at the thought of the public considering us as a group of freaks and pedos, yet what kind of message are we sending when we allow our most popular sites to be filled with stories and/or photos that encourage that kind of behavior?

Agreed to a large degree - I'd favour this for any story / fiction posts. If people want content where there is/are references to minors, I don't think we're being too harsh in saying they can find it elsewhere.

[sarah_ab]

heres the deal, we are all (well ok obviously there are some minors on this site unknown to the mods or most of us) but we are an 18 and over site, ADULT baby... ADULT being the key. ... at least in body, so while many of us WISH we were more than just babies in our minds, we are not.

so write a story about an adult fantasizing about being a baby, don't write a story about a MINOR fantasizing about being even younger... don't write a story about a teenager watching a young girl peeing and then post it on a FETISH website....

while i understand this is not a fetish for many people, this is a website which explicitly states you must be over 18 to join, which to the world implies sexual content... so posting a story about young children on a site that implies sexual interest... yeah such a smart move!

if those are your fantasies whatever... but by posting them on a forum that is 18 or over you are as zander said, putting those who run this site, and those who visit this site at risk.. even if YOU don't feel the story is sexual, you HAD to know this was an 18 and over site, and know that implies sexual to most of the world.....

So write whatever stories you want, and email them, using your own email to whoever you want, but don't put us all at risk by posting them on an 18 an older website...

I mean go to fetlife and post a story about a 15 year old watching a 4 year old struggle because she is bound and gagged... will they allow that there? Go to a bestiality site and post a story about a 5 year old sucking off a dog, will they allow it there? NO! so why should we allow a story here about a 15 year old being sissified?

(I use the words we and you not to refer to any particular person or group of persons.)

[AutieAB]

even if YOU don't feel the story is sexual, you HAD to know this was an 18 and over site, and know that implies sexual to most of the world.....

Assuming the quotes earlier in the thread do actually come from the story (I haven't read it), then the story is sexual, end of discussion. They're depictions of sexual scenarios involving minors on a site for adults that discusses what, at the end of the day, for most is a sexual fetish. It has to go.

[WBDaddy]

Honestly, I think there should be a clear rule here: stories which describe characters under 18 and where the story involves what could be reasonably interpreted to be a sex acts of any kind should be immediately removed and the poster warned this is not the place for them.

While I'm still not in complete agreement with the broad brush being used to describe "sex acts", at least this is a level-headed response. The calls for "NO KIDS IN STORIES" are ridiculous, IMO.

Seriously, Sarah (specifically) are you going to tell me that this is pedo material, and therefore shouldn't be allowed on the site?

PS: All you cutesters barraging me with neg reps (as if they actually mattered) rather than addressing my concerns are so totally hurting my feelings, I might just have to go cry in the corner for a while.

[babyjennie]

In deference to all the complaints, I've edited my story here and changed the ages of the main protagonists. The story is now about the babyfication of a seventeen-year-old boy, and some fooling around with an eighteen-year-old girl. Happy now? Do you still classify that as pedophilia? It is over the age of consent in my country, Australia.

Baby Jennie

[Bettypooh]

That's a pretty harsh position, BP, and I suppose it makes me happy that you're not making the rules, because I would be pretty stunned if my innocuous stories about life lessons and growing up were banned because, by their very nature, they're about kids.

It has nothing to do with your stories, but rather is the legal age in the US where I am (and where the server for this site is) I think it's rather harsh too, but I can't afford to risk going to court to explain not only your stories, but every underage reference here that could be twisted into something sexual by an over-zealous prosecutor Sometimes it's better to act as if they're out to get you to avoid trouble than it is to fight your way out of trouble you could have avoided My ideal wish would be to draw the line at nothing pedo with no ages given.

Bettypooh

[LilFozzyJ5]

I think this is a very valid point that has been brought up, I and others had a problem with another story involving an under age girl being abducted and made into a sex slave.

Now those of you that have stated 'if you dont like it dont read it' and 'noone is twisting your arm' etc... you need to rethink things before you post folks...

...its not a point of if you dont like it dont read it... its bad enough that a large enough portion of the general populous thinks because we like to 'wear' baby/toddler things that we are in some way interested in children...without bloody stories actually discribing exactly that!

There are a lot of stories in the story section that involve minors in various situations... most for me dont cross the line, if i find one i think has, i say something.

but when you voice an opinion on a story that has questionable content, you get angry responses from more than one story poster...

and people also have to be aware this is an INTERNATIONAL website, what maybe be ok in one country is not in another...for example the age of sexual intercourse in this country is 16, so someone portrayed as 15...is really close to the mark, in other countries its right off the reservation... So it would be a good suggestion for the stories to depicted an age INTERNATIONALLY accepted, such as say 18.

If the mods did look at 'all' the stories, they might be surprised what they find.

folks, protect the community, protect each other, and try to keep this a happy safe place for us to visit and make friends, Lanny is mine and I am saddened to see her go. If the situation isnt changed ill be catching the door after her just before it closes...

A last comment is to the authors that have posted here, which kinda proves my point above. The complaint raised isnt aimed you as a person, or in anyway critising you ability as a writer, so try not to get so offended, in the light of day you may see that the person with the complaint is in fact protecting you as well. And notice they only have a complaint about a single topic...

which is the depiction of minors in a sexual situation! period.

there is a vast difference between our own experiences as a child, and as a child closely reaching the age of consent, something we all know happens, and actually writing about it!

[WBDaddy]

A last comment is to the authors that have posted here, which kinda proves my point above. The complaint raised isnt aimed you as a person, or in anyway critising you ability as a writer, so try not to get so offended, in the light of day you may see that the person with the complaint is in fact protecting you as well. And notice they only have a complaint about a single topic...

which is the depiction of minors in a sexual situation! period.

My vocal criticism of the discussion here is directed toward the people who are calling for all child-related content, sexual or not, to be shut down. That's just far beyond the pale.

[DailyDi]

The mod team is currently reviewing this situation and th rules in general. Keep in mind that by its very nature this is an AGE PLAY community, so an outright ban on underage characters is not going to happen - but some restrictions on what content underage characters can not be involved in is likely.

Baby Jennie - I haven't had time to read your story, and thus have stayed out of the fray on it. Changing the ages seems like a good move though, so thanks. I did note your story has many fans and positive reviews on the quality of the writing, so I hope your edits can allow it to continue!

[lil_baby_wet_n_squishy]

It's threads like this that reflect poorly on the site. I don't like his stories and as such don't read them, just as I don't read posts in other sections of the board that I disagree with.

The problem I see here is publicly showing hate towards another member of the community because you disagree with his taste in writing. He has been a member of the community a lot longer then you have Lanthey and deserves more respect then you have shown him here.

If you felt there was inappropriate content you could of easily PMed a Mod or DD to resolve the issue. Stomping your feet, pointing fingers, and leaving accomplishes nothing.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The issue of porn and related has been kicked around for decades. and we have gottone "I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it". The SCOTUS could only come up with "community standards". So do not feel bad if you cannot define it. Add to that that the pedo/sexual harrassment issues has engendered a super-charged atmosphere with, in the case of the latter, the now classic 7 year old boys being dragged through the Sexuual Harrassment Inquisition for kissing a 7 year old girl who did not complain or even wince (along with the gun issue where two boys playing Army have their parents called by the Principal, who should have been slapped across the face and given over to Al Qaueda, for some On-the Job training of what is at stake here, of the school and told to "reprimand" them ). Needless to say, it is fraught with danger. Does anyone remember "Banned in Boston"?

The best solution that has been offered is. If you do not like it, why are you reading it? and what are you reading INTO it. We are old enough, and at one time, that meant wise enough to decide for ourselves

As the unaccepted attributes are expanded, the issue becomes muddier and muddier so that soon the old "See Dick, See Jane, See Spot run" could be said to have secual arousal, Well, you have a Dick, Jane and Spot (I wonder what kind of "spot" that is and a Dick around Jane can only be subliminal sexual aggressiveness

Brofore you have rules, you need a clear definition and clear standards. DPF used to label it's stories according to what they featured so you knew going in.

You might certainly consider a ban on nudity of any significant type, but even being bathed has tha. Could we ban stories about the TSA? Some of thise YouTube vids look pretty grapnic

[LilFozzyJ5]

quote by lil_baby_wet_n_squishy

"The problem I see here is publicly showing hate towards another member of the community because you disagree with his taste in writing. He has been a member of the community a lot longer then you have Lanthey and deserves more respect then you have shown him here."

I have to say there is two problems with a statement like that.

1. I don’t see how this is showing hate towards a member in anyway, it is showing concern for some content they have posted. and we should all be concerned for all the positive reasons that have been mentioned in this thread.

2. I find it very offensive that the amount of time a member has been a member should dictate what is and isn’t acceptable, and to chastise another member for voicing their concerns because they haven’t been a member as long as the person they are concerned about is quite frankly a disgusting display of childish elitism. Its the sort of thing i would expect to have witnessed in the playground. How long the author and the person raising the issue have been members is irrelevant.

Finally after talking to Lanny, she did indeed inform an admin, waited a length of time she felt was enough to remove content before posting on here.

So i think its about time people on here stopped trying to lay any blame on someone who was concerned by what they saw, reported it and then felt they needed to remove themselves from the site to protect themselves from guilt by association.

There is nothing she would like better than to come back.

[ItchyTasty]

I've made this post before:

Please keep in mind that in some countries (e.g. The United Kingdom) people have been arrested over stories (yes, text only)* which describe scenes where if they were made or viewed in an image format, would be illegal to possess. In short, in publishing such content, you may be causing people who view it to be in a very dodgy position (note: they don't even have to read it - simply accessing the page is legally very dodgy ground). You are increasing the risk that sites such as this become inherently dangerous for many of us to visit, or end up getting banned** so that we simply cannot visit them.

Furthermore it also opens up the site owners and moderators to possible legal action. Remember that safe harbour rules do not apply to sites like this, and the US has many states where I expect you could secure a conviction for purely text only content. (California, New York, Washington etc. might be a bit more sane, but what if I filed my case in, say, an Arizona, Iowa or Louisiana court?)

Honestly, I think there should be a clear rule here: stories which describe characters under 18 and where the story involves what could be reasonably interpreted to be a sex acts of any kind should be immediately removed and the poster warned this is not the place for them.

**: Organisations like the Internet Watch Foundation may also not be lenient; allowing such content onto the site puts it at risk of being put on internet blacklists such as those which affect virtually all UK and Australian internet users. Hell, even Wikipedia has had this problem (yes, an article on it was blacklisted for hundreds of millions of users due to an IWF decision - many millions lost access to *ALL* wikipedia pages until someone revoked the decision when this happened).

*: Example:

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/23/girls_aloud_case/

Agreed to a large degree - I'd favour this for any story / fiction posts. If people want content where there is/are references to minors, I don't think we're being too harsh in saying they can find it elsewhere.

Yes stories and even certain pics can be a grey area.

So stories that use wording such as little girl(LG), should say all the characters in the story were/are 18 or over.

Or she was a 18 year old little girl. As little girl normally means teen or pre-teen.

Otherwise it's stepping on very thin ice, as I don't think half the law enforcement people know much about adult babies for instance.

All they care about is that it states it's 18+ and that any pics are 18+.

And if it looks questionable, sites have to provide a 18 USC 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement with documents to back it up, such as adultbabysource has.

Amateur 18+ erotic or porn images can be a grey area itself if any of the pics look under 18, even if they are 18 or older. As the amateurs have no proof unless they can prove their age if questioned.

[ItchyTasty]

Also I have to say there is a difference between ADULT babies, ADULT kids, Little Girls (LG's) which are ADULTS which is fine if it's done as ageplay between an ADULT or 2 or more consenting ADULTS.

But stories so definatly NOT feature anyone under 18 in them, as people can go to prison for writing that kind of thing. Also I heard anyone drawing cartoons or pictures that looks like minors can land them in prison too.

So it is a very grey area, so best stick to any 18+ subjects whether it's adult babies, diaper lovers, adult kids, sissies, 18+ little girls (LG).

And the stupid law is trying to enforce banning certain manga/anime as well now. If no child has been abused then, what's the problem.

Also even more stupid certain films are illegal to own/import in the uk if they contain sexual violence. It's a film for fuck sake. And they are not even snuff films, just usa films, which the uk doesn't allow, because it's a 110% police state here.

Next they will probably try ban all the violent films and computer games, incase it turns you into a murderer, lmfao.

[WBDaddy]

The mod team is currently reviewing this situation and th rules in general. Keep in mind that by its very nature this is an AGE PLAY community, so an outright ban on underage characters is not going to happen - but some restrictions on what content underage characters can not be involved in is likely.

Baby Jennie - I haven't had time to read your story, and thus have stayed out of the fray on it. Changing the ages seems like a good move though, so thanks. I did note your story has many fans and positive reviews on the quality of the writing, so I hope your edits can allow it to continue!

Thank you for being level-headed on the matter. No one wants to read a story that involves minors having sex (forcibly or otherwise) - but the idea of banning any child-related stories from the forums is a complete over-reaction.

It is worth noting (to those of you who might be getting the idea that the story forum is a cesspool of filth) that the story forum regulars themselves did an effective job of self-policing and convincing a regularly contributing member that a story about a 16-year-old girl being forced into sexual slavery was a terrible idea. He abandoned the story, and continues to write more tasteful material even now. Shock and awe, we didn't even need the mods involved in that situation, the outcry from regular readers was sufficient.

[alex 04]

lanthey just hurry up and get back on here missing you

[AutieAB]

If you felt there was inappropriate content you could of easily PMed a Mod or DD to resolve the issue. Stomping your feet, pointing fingers, and leaving accomplishes nothing.

It's my opinion that publicly discussing these matters in public is important. There may have been a little drama at the beginning of the thread but it's brought about a worthwhile discussion about what the community as a group feels is acceptable. Valid and important thread, IMO.

[WBDaddy]

It's my opinion that publicly discussing these matters in public is important. There may have been a little drama at the beginning of the thread but it's brought about a worthwhile discussion about what the community as a group feels is acceptable. Valid and important thread, IMO.

While I agree, it has been a worthwhile discussion, I also agree the OP could have been a hell of a lot more mature about it. I mean, sure, a lot of us are ageplaying here, but throwing a tantrum and stomping out of the room? Really?

[Guest diaperboykcmo]

I say c ya! No one's forcing you to read the story. It's a story, if someone wants to describe abuse, it's their story. I'd say if you can't handle it, you're the one with the problem. You can't distinguish, fantasy from reality!

[Dougie]

Technically, since every member on this forum is required to be 18 or older to join, having stories containing any sexual content to characters that are under 18 (since this website is hosted in the US) is a reference of pedophilia. Isn't that what a bunch of members here were also complaining about on [That other site]?

Stories about an adult being regressed is fantasy. Stories about underage people being forced into sexual suggestive situations is pedophilia, like it or not.

Allowing those stories here is a very slippery slope that can harm a decent forum and give it a bad name.

[Lanthey]

Just check my e-mail and read through some of the responses on the digest e-mail.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread any more, but I just really felt I needed to clarify some points.

Me leaving has nothing to do with me “not being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality

[dprtodd]

Please forgive me for saying this, and it is not my intent to attack or put anyone on the spot here. Would any of you accuse Thomas Harris of Murder or Cannibalism because he created Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs? By that logic Stephen King must surely want for horrors to walk upon the earth and people to die a horrific death. Merely writing something is not the same as engaging in something, I think people loose sight of that when the topic is such an emotive hot button topic like child welfare.

Lanthey said:

I CANNOT under any circumstance be associated with content (fiction or non fiction) is firstly because morally I think it is wrong,

Are you saying then that if you read a murder mystery that you then condone murder? I myself am morally opposed to murder, but I am not morally opposed to a good whodunit. I am morally opposed to torture, but that didn't stop me from reading The Count of Monte Cristo. I am morally opposed to real life instance of child abuse, a few words typed on screen however much I might not like them cannot be given the same weight.

From what I read of the story it was not my cup of tea, and I can understand people not wanting to associate with content that makes them uncomfortable. DD has every right to dictate the type and nature of the content on this site, and I can understand people thinking that such content could lead to a misunderstanding about the nature of our community (Becuase you know grownups in diapers has no other way in which it can be misinterpreted) All of those points are valid and have merit on their own. With that said, I can't help but think that when you give an story, a story that is made up and involves no real people and harms no one, the same moral equivalence as real child abuse that you detract from the real thing.

Thanks

Todd

[Diapered Jason]

Honestly, I don't care what you guys decide to do. I am not interested in full-blown AB fantasy stories involving children role-played or not. I am into BDSM stories with diapers and sissification thrown in, but that is just me.

That said, I would pity the story writers if we regulate more tightly what they can and can't write. I thought this was all imagination, but I guess some people take it literally or misinterpret it all together.

Hmmm... The interesting thing about morality is the majority outside this community probably consider us immoral whether we write stories involving children or not. I guess it all comes down to how the majority of this community thinks they will be perceived.