DaveeBEd

As I've mentioned previously on this forum I'ma sub whom gets a kick from humiliation. One of the things I enjoy about having made myself IC is that I still need to change my diaper in a public toilet when I'm out. I enjoy having to arrange everything very carefully in the stall which is always too small and bagging up a bulky spoiled diaper. I even enjoy the noise the tapes make and don't mind if other's hear. Its crazy I realise but it still gives me a thrill even after two years. Also its funny that if I'm out with my partner, although he loves the fact that I'm diapered , he can never get his head around the fact that bit takes me so long to change when we're out.

I initially started wanting to become urinary IC and soon after decided to go for dual IC. There is certainly a link between the two and both aspects of my control diminished more rapidly once I'd started to relax with no.2s. I do appreciate though that being dually IC is not for everyone. It certainly takes some courage initially to be out in public and not holding back a bowel movement. I couldn't prevent one now anyway so just carry on as normal,

You are certainly getting there once you've wet without realising it, that's a very good sign, best of luck

Its only quite recently that I've begun waking up in the night or when I get up in the morning and I'm consistently wet. Probably 5 times per week now and that's after 2 years and I think the nights where I'm dry now its because I haven't drunk quite enough water before bed. If I do that every night I don't believe I'd ever have a dry night again.I've also had the occasional night where some poo has leakedinto my diaper without it waking me which is still a real thrill.

Yes, when you dribble after showering before you can get yourself proper;y diapered again is a sure sign that you've lost control. I still remember getting a real thrill the first time that happened and being so disappointed when it didn't happen again for a few more days. Now its a real rush to get myself dried and covered before I dribble as it happens with every single change.

The very best of luck in achieving your goals

ITs not impossible to entrain, its not easy and it takes time, but I assure you it can be done. It is vital to relax and let your pee flow as soon as you feel the slightest urge to pee, that actively shrinks the bladder and gradually retrains the brain to relax the sphincter as soon as there's any pressure building in your bladder

I stay away at hotels a lot in the UK. I tend to use Premier Inn I book on line usually and in special requirements I say that I have an IC problem. I love standing at reception when I check in wondering if they're reading that on screen, especially if its some hot guy on reception.

You say its distasteful, but some of us have untrained ourselves to the point that we no longer have the choice as to when or where t comes out Love it!

I can't hold it back any longer so whatever position I'm in at the time, but some is usually released by any sudden movement like sitting down to quickly. When I was working on becoming IC initially I felt that being able to poo whilst walking was a huge breakthrough and then maybe after 9 or 10 months I could finally do it whilst having a normal conversation with someone. Obviously I take Nullo everyday to avoid the smell.

1. All of it. 2. I never have to push anymore it just oozes out. 3. No I love the time it takes and the inconvenience of cleaning myself, especially in a public toilet, and the fact that all to it was self induced.

We've all leaked out of our diapers at some stage, its just a hazard of doing what we feel drawn to do. It just will happen, always remember to never go anywhere without a bag containing all you need to change. The only time I leak out of my diaper now is if I'm just been too lazy to change and the diaper has got saturated, however I can usually tell by the increased weight long before that happens. Once you become used to letting it flow whenever you feel the slightest urge you won't flood anymore as it will be regular small amounts. Now I have an almost constant drip or at most a dribble as practically all control has been lost and I imagine my bladder has shrunk to at most a quarter of its former size. Good Luck and stick with it. I made at least three half hearted attempts at becoming IC resulting in my purging all my stuff and having that feeling of self loathing. This is my fourth serious attempt and after two years I think it would finally be impossible to regain control even if I wanted to. I have almost constant dribbling and my penis has shrunk considerably. I have hastened that by using a cock cage for the last 6 months or so, gradually increasing the time I wear it. Its now extremely hard for me to get and certainly maintain an erection. But I crave humiliation, I believe that's why I started this. I initially felt that having to wear a diaper was the most humiliating thing I could think of and hen I decided to take that a stage further by becoming impotent as well. I'm not quite there but should be soon! Keep with it and over time you will be able to take this however far you'd like to.

Yes it can be done.I followed the 12 Month programme reasonable closely and it took c18 months to become iC, One of the really good things I did follow from the programme was to tell people. Obviously I didn't say I intended to make myself IC but said I'd developed a medical condition meaning I had to wear diapers. Then I had a potential get out of jail card if I backed out of the journey by saying I was recovering, but have no regrets.

That wouldn't appeal to me, half the thrill was the gradual loss of control as I headed towards my aim of dual IC. If there was a pill that say made you IC for 24 or 48 hours then I would have tried it as an experiment early on in my journey!

Good luck with your goal. Its 2 years for me now. It is important not to push as that means you still have control. Relax as much as possible especially at the first sign of an urge then you never flood the diaper and the wettings get smaller and more regular. Do try not to push and you have to try to get over your shyness. I used to look at my face in a mirror as I was peeing to check if I could see any change in my facial expression. This took a while until I was totally relaxed and it was imperceptible. A real hurdle was crossed after about three months when I could stand next to someone I knew well and carry on a normal conversation whilst wetting my diaper and them being unaware of it. Once you can do that then your shy bladder will no longer be something you have to fight against.

I started untraining myself in August 2018 having had a number of unsuccessful attempts in the past. This time I stuck at it and haven't used a toilet since then. It did take time but a few months ago I realised I'd completely lost control. I'm still aware of bowel movements and probably always will be, but I can't stop it once one starts. I'm often totally unaware that i've wet myself.

I also found that it helped to try and relax and release whenever I felt there was anything in my bladder or bowels. That way I believe it increased the rate at which the bladder gradually shrinks in size.

Most definitely. I diode;t closely follow all the dietary stuff other than generally increasing liquids, but all the other stuff I followed fair;y closely and it takes a while to just convince yourself "I am in IC I wear diaper" until it becomes more natural than using a toilet and wearing underwear.

So does that mean that after 5 years you're still don't wet every night?

Does it display the progress you hoped for and was that very gradual or have there been a couple of noticeable points where you are able to gauge your control really diminishing?

The 12 month programme isn't perfect but I know without it s a general guide/reference point I wouldn't have got where I am today

Two years for me. I'm rarely away of when I'm peeing now. I still get spasms though

Hi Thanks for your interest. Having pretty much achieved my goal I haven't been visiting the site very regularly. I do believe that I would now be diagnosed as clinically dual IC And so yes I'm fully dependent on diapers. I would say there's now an almost constant seepage of urine which I'm only occasionally aware of. If I stand up too quickly after a long period of sitting I'll be aware of a larger spurt, but other than that I have little recognition of when I wet. I tend to just realise that my diaper has got heavier. The only real disadvantage of achieving this state is that after a shower when its very hard for me to get myself dried, my cock cage back on and my backside covered in barrier cream before I can see some urine dribbling from the end of my penis. Other than that its all good. I think it would be fair to also now describe myself as bowel IC, although this has only really genuinely been achieved in the last few months. I don't believe I will ever be completely unaware of a bowel movement, but I have no way of stopping one when it starts and every so often I will still try to test myself. Every fart is a wet one and sudden movements always release some poo. I probably release some four or five times each day which ties in well with my diaper changes. My final goal is impotence which the cage is starting to help with. How are you progressing? Davy

I agree completely, my boyfriend rarely lets me out of chastity now. I needed to be talked into trying the cage initially but its mazing how good the orgasms feel wearing the cage. My cum and pee both come together and as I'm IC both just ooze out, but the high is icerdible