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Saw your post about 'clubs' in the sidebar. Puzzled about what you were talking about, clicked on it. Didn't even notice the 'clubs' tab until I read this thread! I agree with many of the others. This board is a 'club' already, although the posts are public. I suppose that's the difference. Public posts vs. not.

My usual pattern is to need to wet after being in bed for 6-7 hours (unless I've had extra liquid). This morning, I felt myself beginning to relax to pee while half awake and in a dream state, but not peeing until I was fully awake. Not sure if this is any 'progress' or not from my before-diapering status. The bedwetter's e-book being promoted here advocates repeatedly soaking your mattress on the way to training yourself to sleepwet. I don't think I'm willing to go that far. So far, I've been having increasing trust that my diaper won't leak no matter what position I'm in. Maybe that will be enough. I might be someone like Bettypooh, may never be a sleep wetter unless & until I'm incontinent for physiological reasons. You're right, I have to 'want' to wet the bed. I have the diaper competence now, but there's still a little bit of fear that I'll leak and damage the mattress. Even though I have a waterproof cover on the mattress, there is still that worry about smelly, stained bedding or if the cover will leak.

Baby June must have fixed or hidden the script issue. Her sig has changed, and the bold-everywhere problem has gone away!

Hah, we've revealed a scripting problem with the board. 'Baby June's sig, above, has bold type but must not be shutting it off at the end of the sig. Bold is then carried throughout the rest of the posts. I wonder if this is what's causing the 'bold' throughout. Is everyone else seeing that too? Back to the topic... I didn't know why I felt compelled to start this. But I've noticed that my stress or edginess is much less in the daytime after I've worn and used a night diaper. I wear and use one just about every night now. Undesirable stress, but not overwhelming, was a (manageable) problem for me before, so I don't know if it's really 'good for me' or not to wear. I have a theory that the response is hormonal in nature, may be related to vasopressin.

I am a little bit excited. And apprehensive. Progressing little by little to becoming a bedwetter. Anybody else go down this road? How much time did it take to become a full-on bedwetter so you can't fall asleep w/o wearing a diaper? Did you have a 'surprise' moment when you wet the bed for the first time and realized you had to wear diapers? After years of wearing to bed at least some of the time, for the last many months I just automatically put on a diaper before going to bed. Such a pleasure peeing in bed instead of having to wake up and get up. At first, would fully wake up needing to pee, and then have a little difficulty getting started. Still aware and awake, but it's very easy to let go. Sometimes, I don't even register an urge for more than a moment, I just automatically go. Not aware of whether I've wet in my sleep or not. Don't think so but not sure. Yesterday, laid down for a daytime nap without a diaper. Woke up having to pee. So used to just letting go now while in bed. Was very easy to let go a little even while laying on my side. Got the front of the underwear very wet, stopped just short of getting the bed wet. Even after I started wearing, it was difficult to start peeing while on my side. Now it's 2nd nature, easy. Recently was sleeping w/o a diaper, woke up surprised to feel my sphincter relaxing as if I was about to let go. I did not, but still. So that's my little story to date. Did not set out specifically to become a bedwetter, but if it happens I'll deal with it. Love love love sleeping in a diaper.

I wear at night. Tried some PUL pants over a cloth diaper. Diaper covers that 'breathe' aren't a '+', in my opinion, not if they're to be used to hold pee. And soon they began to leak also. I couldn't see where they were leaking from, but there were wet spots on the sheet. I think you shouldn't be washing them in the washer, also. Hand wash and hang to air dry. I recommend vinyl. The heavyweight 'Deluxe' vinyl pants are holding up. Hand wash only in mild detergent, hang to dry.

Lifetime appointments are intended to shield the judges from elections, shield them from being subject to a 'tyranny of the majority' for their decisions. That's great if the elected bodies appointing the judges respect the system, and appoint qualified and fair-minded judges. That doesn't seem to be the case here any more. We seem to be in the midst of a 'revolt of the elites' against the masses.

I love wearing at night & have got in the habit of wearing just about every night. I currently use the birdseye night weight prefolds from AdultClothDiaper.com. Very durable. (Don't go to adultclothdiapers.com. Either squatter-owned or full-out malware site.) Sized one up from the median recommendation. Site says I can just wear 'M' waist size, but 'L' fits well (i am bottom heavy), and 'XL' gives more coverage along the sides. Next time I order, I'll do something different. (1) Too much bulk between the legs with these, and (2) takes too long to dry, very costly to dry, and (3) even with the super-duper wash, not sure they're really as clean as they should be, having some problems with funk. As for washing, was happy using some chlorine bleach but this eats up the cloth in the long run. Now using oxy bleach with less than perfect success, have some odors after wetting that are stronger than they should be. Not full-on strong ammonia, but still. (Edit: Less detergent, a different bottle/different brand of h2o2 bleach, longer drying, may be helping). The easiest option for me might be XL day weight with additional stuffers where I need them. Next, the flat diapers, but these aren't available in as wide a range of sizes. Then, custom made, but this would be very expensive for trial-and-error since there's a substantial minimum order. Or, buy a sewing machine and some cloth and learn to sew. Oops, now see 'can't do cloth because of the wet feeling.' I don't know about that. Some kind of liner that lets liquid pass but keeps you dry, maybe?

2017/12/07 post: Been using a H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) bleach in the wash cycle with the detergent. Diaper funk seemed tolerable for a while / a few washes each diaper, but now it seems like the H2O2 bleach is no longer working. Pretty 'moderate' funk after an overnight wear. I might go back to the standard sodium hypochlorite (chlorine) bleach. That is reliable, but it does slowly 'melt' the fabric. Maybe a little bit once in a while is ok, with the H2O2 bleach running 2-3-4-? washes in between chlorine treatments. Maybe I'm not getting 'em dry enough. I think I am, but maybe not. Takes forever to dry overnight prefolds. Will definitely try a different diap system when having to replace my current set. 2017/12/13 update: Using less detergent now, have opened a new bottle of hydrogen peroxide ('oxy') bleach of a diffferent brand (7th Generation instead of the Clorox label). Seems to be better.

Heh, had to come here when I saw 'ENIAC' in the sidebar on the main page. I wrote a paper on ENIAC for a class in high school or college. Many years ago. Just missed having to tote decks of punch cards around, when I took a computer course at the local university in the early 1980s.

Those links are 'changingtimesdiaperco.com' and 'baby-pants.com'

Been happy with the quality and service from adultclothdiaper.com. (Do not go to adultclothdiaperS.com, cyber squatter possible malware.) Been using birdseye night weight prefold with one soaker for overnight use. They're so thick they take forever to wash and dry and they're quite a lump between my legs. If or when I buy new ones, I'd get the day weights and use more boosters if necessary. One thing I found by trial and error is, buy a bigger size than you think you need from the size chart. Again, this is for night wear, maybe not as necessary for day wear. I use the Leakmaster deluxe vinyl pants, extra heavy weight. By trial and error, I found I needed two sizes larger than the diaper, for the bulky night weight diapers and for comfort around my fat thighs. If you get day weights with minimal bulk in the crotch, and if your legs are not fatter than average, you may need only 1x larger or same nominal size.

I continue wearing at night because it has a psychological calming effect on me. Anxiety has always been a problem for me. The wearing at night may alter hormones that are released when one holds in pee. Not wearing, I can only sleep about 6 hours because I have to get up to pee. The last hour or so, half-awake with the feeling of a full bladder and nonspecific anxiety about the coming day. After that, I find it hard to go back to bed. Wearing, I can stay in bed and get good rest for up to 8 or 9 hours. And wake without major anxiety. Not every night, but enough so it helps. So, no strange desire or anticipation any more like there was in the beginning. Just the knowledge that it somehow seems to be good or helpful for me. ...And it feels good too, to just let go instead of holding it.

I wore most nights for a long time, months at a time, for a period of two years or so, with some breaks in between. Had more urgency & smaller more frequent voidings in the daytime. Didn't seem to get worse over the period. It takes about a week to go back to normal, same as I was before. I've stopped worrying that wearing at night can make me incontinent. Unless you're already having problems due to a plausible or identified medical issue, you probably have nothing to worry about. Different matter if you wear 24/7 for years.

Maybe the web wizards are working on it.

For us in the US, 60 C is equiv to 140 F. (I think some of the original post was lost. It went on to say something like...) That's very hot. Risk of scalding in the shower. And hard on the heater. And costly in fuel. I want to avoid this.

I use about 1/4 cup of chlorine bleach in the wash cycle. They say chlorine bleach is bad, disintegrates the cotton fibers. My diaps are deteriorating, but I can't say how much is due to the bleach and how much just due to washing & tumble drying on high heat (night prefolds, thick in the middle). Might be better to add a very small amount of bleach to the rinse. In the wash, the bleach fights with the detergent. I try to use just enough chlorine bleach to kill the funk. I tried the 'Rock'n Green anti-funk' or whatever it's called, and I tried 20 Mule Team (genuine) Borax. Maybe my water is not hot enough... anyway, it didn't kill the funk. So I turned to chlorine. I think chlorine might work even in cold water. Borax certainly doesn't.

For a few years, I've been wearing at night more often than not.

Yes, I feel terrible about the environment. Given the effective denial of the nature and magnitude of the problem, we've continued business as usual. I think it's far too late for a good outcome. I am not worried about the minuscule additional impact of my buying and washing cloth diapers. I do think virtuous acts by (enough) individuals could be important. On the other hand, government and business policies being what they are*, what one person don't use or destroy will get used up and destroyed in some other way. In this regime, individual responsibility doesn't matter for much, as far as 'the environment' goes. Might matter as far as learning skills you can use in a difficult future, but even in that case, surviving and thriving is going to require a great deal of luck in addition, in my opinion. Edit: *...and, humans' habits of multiplying like rabbits even in the face of this calamity,...

I don't understand why I started. Since I was little, sometimes peed my underwear just a little, then made makeshift diapers every once in a great while. Lately, started wearing real diaps more and more often, now just about every night. I understand why I keep it up. Seems to materially reduce my anxiety and blood pressure. Better sleep.

98% comfort. I've taken a shine to sleeping in them most every night. I get a better night's sleep, obviously because I don't have to get up to toilet, also because there is (maybe, don't know) a reduction of release of antidiuretic hormone vasopressin. That is, my bladder doesn't get as full or stay full for long, and as a result the vasopressin 'stays put'. Vasopressin, besides being antidiuretic, also induces a physiologic stress response. I don't know this for a fact about the vasopressin (if there are differences in hormone release diapered vs. not)*. Just trying to reconcile the different feelings when I wear (calm) vs. when I don't (more anxiety in general). I think it may be something purely physiologic as opposed to Freudian-style constructs built from early memories. Of course, I haven't done a randomized, controlled trial on myself. Maybe I'm imagining the whole thing, maybe it's a placebo effect, maybe it's psychodynamical after all. (Edit 1/2/16). But, I don't think I'm imagining it. For me, I think there's a huge difference in my anxiety level (or something), maybe impacting personality, between the days after I've slept in diapers and those I've not. *On the other hand, for enuretic persons, vasopressin levels don't rise as much at night, as for non-bedwetters. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2705537

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I am uncomfortable long before having to find a toilet. In the daytime, it's a minor annoyance. At night, it keeps me awake, and after getting up I can't sleep again. Wearing diaps to bed I certainly get a better night's sleep, and my daytime blood pressure is a few tics lower. Started with the diaps for other reasons, but the discovery that my sleep is greatly improved has kept me coming back nearly every night. I think there's a hormone connection involving vasopressin but I am not expert enough to give a coherent hypothesis. Read somewhere that vasopressin is 'a reliable inducer of anxiety'. May have to do with not having a full bladder much or at all, or having less water to reabsorb due to excreting more. Or, not turning the lights on. I dunno. As far as anxiety, I think I am calmer and happier overall. (Neurotic anxiety has been a lifelong problem.) Problems I have experienced are greater frequency and urgency mainly in the morning, and have not been able to completely shower away the odor. Could use some hints if anyone has any. 5/4/15 - About odor. Yes, I can imagine the hotter and longer the better. Urine has substances that are dissolved in water, not such a stretch to believe these can dissolve in skin, and would take time and flushing with water to remove. Maybe soaking in a hot bath would be the best thing, though that might spread it everywhere Further edit about odor: Am doing the following now. As soon as I wake up, I remove the diap, get in the shower soap up w/ washcloth real well, rinse off. Then, out of the shower, I soap up again and let it stand. Go about my morning routine. Then, before leaving, the full shower, soap up and rinse off down there again. Seems to be a definite improvement. Maybe worries about smells are past.

*flats get cleaner and dry quicker than prefolds.

What works overnight for me-