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20 miles north of Muskegon, 65 miles northwest of the airport in Grand Rapids...

There is a company called Segufix, I believe, out of Germany. And, the JT Posey company has a variety of restraits that a person could cobble together and adequate and secure harness with reasonable cost. Just a thought...

I have used cloth baby diapers as boosters - which will help draw moisture to the upper reaches of the diaper, and even THEN, Molicares are seldom used up, totally, even after 16 hours(!) - and often use two Select boost pads, overlapping, to help draw moisture to the distal ends of the diaper. I often use the boost pad AND cloth baby diapers with a less-absorbent brand, like Invacare, Select or Attends to make them work better and longer. The issue with premium adult disposables is absorption rate versus volume of liquid introduced. I used to be able to get disposables - even Attends - from Europe(the cost of shipping was as much as the diapers!) and all of the European brands seem to work more like an infant's disposable, quicker absorption, kind of blowing up as they got wetter, and I understand it's because of what the FDA will allow HERE versus what they can use for the fill in Europe. I love my Abriforms and Molicares - I try to keep bulk down and discreet in appearance - but I want my diapers to WORK, too. So, I've gravitated toward less expensive, less absorbent brands, utilizing boosters - which actually are helpful in making leakage less likely with a heavy void - to my satisfaction. Actually, I prefer cloth and plastic pants - even WITH disposables, I use plastic pants for additional protection - as I enjoy feeling the wetness creep up from the crotch and know that the cloth will absorb long after they feel wet to the skin!

When I think back to how it was when I first went online, let alone come to a place like this, especially after the early bulletin boards and chatrooms that were "old" when I got my first computer, I smile at a post like this. The internet is a safe have for all those who are who they are, and how they want to be, in the privacy and safety of their own home and behind a computer screen. While it's too bad that people cannot be completely honest with who they are and what they are, it's up to the reader, the "viewer", as it were, to beware! A person has to take what they see online with a grain of salt! DailyD is absolutely right. There is NO way to "completely" police anyone and what they post or what they say - many are very clever at working their way around restrictions and reappearing with another name or handle - unless Daily D tracked every IP address and worked that way - a lot of trouble to expose a liar or "wannabe". I guess I'd rather let things be self-policing, and let the posers and liars be ostracized and chased away by the group as they expose themselves - which they always do. The easiest way to deal with them is just NOT deal with them, and just be careful when you make an intial contact! Never be sure of whom you're dealing with until you ARE sure! This idea, while sound in basis and concern, seems like more regulation we don't need. And, anybody that hasn't had enough of that already in society is too young to be disgusted, disappointed and irritated at government yet!

From THIS DL, there is "joy in Mudville" and there is "sadness in Mudville" (reference to the poem "Casey at the Bat"). You talk about other threads. You are exactly correct that there have been tons of others in this regard. But, once again, the LACK of communication, honesty and being "upfront" comes back to bite someone frozen by fear. Your husband is, indeed, a very lucky man. He has YOU. You are open-minded with your OWN "kink". I'd be interested in knowing what that is, especially since it leaves you open to HIS "leanings". That you would explore his "world" and choose to learn more, in a support capacity sets you above many other spouses "out there". Shame on your husband for NOT being open and honest with your BEFORE you got married, to let you CHOOSE if you wanted to be with him "that way" or stay with him. It is a travesty that so many in the DL/AB world WAIT to "confess" or inform a partner, and then either EXPECT the partner will accept the revelation or HOPE that they will. I mean, what's the WORST that can happen? A person you care about very deeply can simply hit the highway! Love hurts at times. And, at times, we need to regroup and move on and start over again, sad, but wiser, and, hopefully, MORE honest, upfront. Depending upon what YOUR kink is, what you need to know - and I'd encourage you to look over some of my blog entries; I'm an avowed DL, and have been for over 40 YEARS, and know myself very well - is that for many, if not most DLs - and there IS a difference between DLs and ABs, which is too extensive to get into - diaper pleasure comes from tactile sensation (mostly for males) because of the constant stimulation from diaper contact with the genitals. Some of us simply love the ability to "let go" - urinate AND have a bowel movement - and have it be self-contained, with no one else knowing we're doing that. You've heard of "water sports". There are a few that are into poop play, too. Be that as it may, diaperism is pretty tame and harmless. And, if hubby takes care of himself with his diapers, then watching him wetting or being wet will help you see that it IS pretty harmless and is a positive thing for him. And, if you can get beyond that this big strong man that you love enjoys wetting his diapers, and be encouraging - always letting him know you ARE accepting - you will draw more out of him about what has made him a DL and what he likes. When he feels more comfortable talking about it, and having you see him in diapers and encouraging him to be who he is, it will become more natural for you to get the information you need to understand him directly from HIM. You're right. It's nothing YOU have done to make him be embarassed and not very communicative. It's obvious he just didn't know how to approach the reality and facts, and it's too bad. It gives you way to much room for concern and have fears, when the reality IS that when you find out more, and you both can relax about it, you will end up having a whole lot of fun together figuring out ways to please both of you within the scope of what you both enjoy! If you don't push, if you don't "interrogate", if you don't "cross-examine" him, and ask him to let you watch what he does and how - to HELP you understand, he may begin to feel more comfortable sharing with you, getting over his embarassment and fears. Then, later, you may be able to surprise him with things he never expected in your "play. If you stay at this site and peruse the forums, you will never discover all the ideas available or run out of things to try! Have fun. You two are very lucky that you have each other. Many at this site would kill to have a woman even remotely as open-minded as you!

Any time I can be in diapers makes it a great time, or more, a good day. Diapers make me feel complete. I LIKE being different as I CHOOSE to be in diapers, though am very discreet. Diapers rock! WE need to be our own best advocates!

My wife and I were "at odds" for a while. Since we've been together, over 4 years, and I told her about my "leanings" from the gitgo, and she knows my DL life/world IS a PART of ME, I wasn't diapered for nearly two weeks. She mentioned that she KNEW that something was wrong since I hadn't been diapered that long, since I often am mostly 24/7 (though night-time not so much). Since we had just made up, she told I ought to go get diapered. I did. Apparently it was readily apparent that some kind of change had come to my face or something. As I came downstairs, and I am a discrete DL and rarely is it obvious OR evident I'm diapered under my regular clothing, she commented, "NOW all is right with the world." Maybe it was visible perception or just past-experience. She was SO right. Everything WAS once again "right with the world". I have accepted my being a DL, I am comfortable with my DL world, I appreciate my wife's acceptance and encouragement and I wouldn't change a thing. Diapers make me feel comfortable and complete - and I love the feeling of decadence I feel when I am in them and use them, in public, with no one else knowing. I will never be out of them completely, and it may not be too far into the future, where, at MY age, I will actually NEED to be in diapers fulltime! Reality of life? LOL

Hmmm, let's see. I was married in '76, found Nugget (a men's magazine with a "personals section") which led me to "Linda Latex" and a few others "into diapers" which I had never seen before! From there came Aunt Florence & Amber E, Charles Slavik (Play Pen Magazine) and DPF. Oh, that Roster and the occasional woman that would appear on it... Wowza, talk about memories coming back! I even got to meet Angela Bauer and in those days, it was SNAIL MAIL only! Waiting for a reply after sending a letter to other DPF members was excruciating and when a reply came back, pure delight. I wasn't alone. There were others like me. And, the rest is history - well over 40 years as a now, content, happy and married DL! Thanks Tommy at DPF. Your efforts were NOT UNappreciated here on the west shore of Michigan!

I always figured diapers were for urine AND bowel movements. As long as I can remember, I have felt if I'm going to be in diapers, which I LOVE to be - been in them by CHOICE for 40 years now - I need to use them for their intended purpose. Given that I HAVE a choice, there are times when a bowel movement is just NOT going to work while I'm diapered. Other times, I have had the opportunity to revel in the feeling, the sensations and decadence I feel by being my age and filling my diaper! I usually know how long I can be in a messy diaper - I can TELL when I need to get cleaned up, if I have the choice to wear until I'm ready to change - so I'm fortunate. It certainly is not for everybody. While there ARE times when the odor is pretty intense, there are ways to knock down the intensity - chlorophyll capsules, NULLO, i.e. - and clean-up can be a hassle, it's all part of what you simply deal with if you choose to fill your pants. I've gotten used to it, and for ME, the positive outweighs the negative. To each their own...

In my experience as a mortician, I find more and more deceaseds coming to MY facility wearing a disposable diaper. Only ONCE in the last 30 years did I find someone clad in plastic pants - over a "pull up" - but the gent died at home, so I knew WHY the plastic pants were being used. My daughter is full incon, and with the program she is on for the disabled, she gets her diapers paid for and delivered, and they are the Select brand. Apparently, like at a nursing home, whomever has the contract, provides the particular supply of a particular brand, and I'm sure it boils down to cost. She has had Attends in the past, but mostly it has been Select. I have seen a variety of brands being used. Before the widespread use of disposable diapers - which assists the staffs, which seem to be reduced versus in the past(less staff taking care of more residents each shift, which also means I've seen diapers being used in HOSPITAL settings - imagine THAT!) - in making sure there are less "accidents" to take care of, I would normally see a cloth "bed pad" underneath a resident or patient, and they were allowed to void freely into the "pad". But, that was when they were in bed. In the last 40 years I do not remember seeing cloth diapers being used on adults in a medical setting or situation. To be honest, with the extremes and testing I have put disposable adult diapers to, and given that most disposable products are designed to "wick away" wetness, like infant diapers are designed to do, and are designed for comfort, and have "wetness indicators", disposable adult diapers make a lot of sense, are NOT UNcomfortable for the wearer, and the only negative seems to be the stigma out there that a diaper is a diaper, and should only be reserved for infants. Okay, whatever. The multi-billion dollar industry IS what it IS because the product is NEEDED, is being BOUGHT and being USED. THAT says it all, stigma be damned. To be honest, I think WE, especially those who CHOOSE adult diapers as our "underwear" are our OWN worst enemies when it comes to acceptance and comfort levels IN that choice. All the other outside "considerations" are really moot with that in mind. Wear, use, relax. No one else CARES that you choose diapers. It's YOUR choice, and if you don't force YOUR leanings onto anyone else, or make someone else uncomfortable, purposely, an accidental exposure or discovery is not going to ruin anyone's day OR life. It's THAT simple!

I see some goofy things in this forum, and this is a goofy one. Are you saying you have never HAD a wet diaper sex session with a DL or AB female, only looking forward to one? Women, when aroused, especially younger women, can have a very "musky" smell or odor - actually, a horny male, especially a younger male, will consider what they are detecting an "aroma". It can be very stimulating and arousing to a male. Maybe it's pheremones, or the "scent" of getting ready (via lubrication) for sexual intercourse. The "aroma" of sex might be overwhelmed by urine or enhanced by it. I find my arousal has nothing to do with the "smell" of urine in a diaper. It has to do with how sexy my wife LOOKS wearing diapers, how aroused I AM by her BEING in diapers for and with me, and what a rush it is for her to be willing to WET when she's in those diapers. AND,there's nothing hotter than a session of lovemaking with us both WEARING those diapers - and there ARE ways to accomplish that, however you most prefer to make it happen! Good luck for your future, Dude. Connecting with an acceptant partner is fabulous. What happens after that doesn't always need to be fodder for forum discussion or exposure... Such is life...

Since, as I said, unless you are wearing metal - i.e., diaper pins, snaps in plastic pants or onesies, etc. - you have no problem wearing diapers - by need or by choice - for an airline flight. Now, the pat-down thing sounds interesting but not sure what might precipitate that. And, as far as that goes, anybody patting somebody else down ought to be very able to accept what they come across, especially if they are keyed on detecting a weapon of some kind. Now, the body scanner thing, hmmm, sounds interesting. As, if it works as most are expecting and fearing, then those on the viewing end ought to be even more broad and open-minded, especially when they deal with seeing incons AND the DL or AB who doesn't give a second thought or refuses to be embarassed by having their bulky absorbent underwear discovered. Supposedly the scan is going to be for TSA eyes only. I guess the world will find out how "eyes-only" it will be. I'm sure there will be great fodder for TSA employee banter after-hours! I guess, for me, it would be yet another special thrill to have someone see my diapers under my clothes since I normally am very discreet enjoying the special pleasures of my diaper wearing, life and world! I've also said before, WE are probably our own worst enemies to our own acceptance of our diaper life. Do it, do it discreetly, have fun and make be natural. And, that's what it will become...

If you're not setting off the metal detectors - cloth diapers and pins, or snap-on plastic pants with metal snaps, or a onesie with metal snaps in the crotch - if you're a little bulky, and not trying to be obvious, TSA or anyone else isn't going care that you are diapered. And, if you check luggage, your diaper supply - even metal pins and the above metal-containing supplies - aren't going to raise much of an eyebrow. TSA has seen it all. It all boils down to the AMOUNT of metal, and what it IS, that you have with/on you. I have two metal hips. It sets off the metal detectors every time, and I HAVE been diapered for a trip. They wand me down, and I've never been subjected to a strip-search. Again, even if I WAS subjected to a strip-search, a TSA staffer will have seen it all and not care what YOU are wearing, by need OR choice. And, if any comment is made, it is subject to a report that you could make, and grounds for firing, it you push the issue! You wanna' wear diapers? It's YOUR thing. TSA just doesn't want an aircraft full of people being blown up or hijacked. If you can do THAT by wearing and carrying diapers with you, they WILL want to know how you pull it off or intend to...

I am a funeral director. I LOVE to bury people in the diapers they come to me in - unless it's full of poop or really smelly from urine. For ME, I want to be diapered in cloth diapers and plastic pants when they put me into the ground. And, if you want that for YOU, all you have to do is request it! Diapers in your will? It's nothing different from your books, for instance. You want them disposed of, specifiy it. You want someone to have them, specify it. It's no big deal. It's like anything else. BUT, what have you admitted to, or talked about with others? And, in a will, it's no big deal, but upon your death, your diaper world/life things can just be dealt with OUTSIDE of probate. No biggie... No funeral director - with ANY reservation - will not accomodate your request. Why not? NO big deal@! I'm going into the ground in diapers. You can - or go into a cremation retort - too. Just set it up!

There have been many good responses to a very fair question. I'm not so sure the same thread hasn't already been asked and responded to. But, such is the nature of this site and the forums section. For me, I have to draw a line for ME. I agree that when others don't draw lines and call unfavorable attention to the DL/AB world or cast those of us in it in a negative light, it is truly sad, for it sets any progress toward acceptance of OUR world, OUR brand of "kink" - if even that's what it IS - back farther than any strides that may have already been made. And, the ironic thing is that adult diapers ARE a fact of life, there are already many adults WEARING adult diapers, and even THAT, even from within the medical community is not favored and looked down upon, if not scorned. After all, only babies wear diapers. Right? For me, the line is discretion. I would not impose MY thing on anyone else. Yes, I HAVE gone out and tried to expose the top of my diapers and plastic pants, as an experiment, but haven't been overly blatant. I won't do that again however. There is no need. I satisfied my curiousity. I HAVE been out in public, like gone to the post office box, in a very wet and messy diaper(but not visible and obvious - I also take Nullo for odor control), and gotten stopped by someone who wants to chat for a few minutes. If I detect odor, I don't hang around long. I WILL venture out into public in a wet and messy diaper, but only if I pretty much know I will do so without running into anyone else, or be force to endure the diapering because I can't get back home to change. And, as a DL, I wear and at least wet A LOT, nearly 24/7 right now. Rarely is my diapering obvious, even a little bit. And, that's fine with me, as I am comfortable with the parameters of my DL world and DL life, and am fortunate to have a wife who accepts and humors me. I think there SHOULD be "a line" for everyone. And, I hope that they are intelligent enough to understand that what that line IS for THEM, can and will impact the line the rest of us may need or be forced to follow.

For me, the older I got - I'm 55 - the more determined I was to no longer live in fear of my diaper desires, which began in earnest, about the time of puberty, around age 12. I thought I was sick, mentally ill, demented. I wanted to know that I was NOT the ONLY kid my age that loved the look, the feel, the aroma of diapers - um, sorry, they didn't HAVE Pampers back then, only cloth diapers from a diaper service. And, plastic pants, the look, the sound (rustle) and the feel, well, at age FIVE, I was aroused by. First marriage, I "dropped" my diaper desires into my wife's lap. Didn't work too well. Wrong approach. Marriage ended after 4 years, but not because of diapers. Second marriage, I started out with a lie, telling my GF I was a bedwetter/incon. When I thought she was comfortable with it, I 'fessed up and told her the truth about my DL thing. She SAID she accepted, and even participated. After 15 years, we split up and she used my DLism against me in the divorce. Thank you very much, Honey... NOT. Third marriage. Well, there wouldn't BE a third marriage if my current wife did not accept "my thing". She was told, up front, about my DLism and DL lifestyle. Accept it - whether you understand it or not - or we part ways BEFORE there is any investment of time and emotions. I decided I would go to my grave single, and wearing diapers, before I would EVER hide my diapers and diaper lifestyle ever again. As my current wife notes, when I am diapered, all is right with the world. She sees it. And, it's absorbent underwear, for cripe's sake! So, I am encouraged to be diapered frequently. Who knows? At 55, I may actually BE in diapers, and HAVE to be, before long anyway! LOL When I dated, I had about 50% acceptance, which I figure is about a right percentage. But, those women were not "the one", on the whole. I knew that my current wife IS "the one", but WAS willing to not connect if she could not accept my DLism and lifestyle. Maybe it's sad that I would choose diapers over a partner, but the reality is, as I've gotten older, I gotten to know myself better and better. I don't like strings. I don't like conditions. And, I know that my DL lifestyle makes me happy, content and I feel complete - and IT doesn't require a whole lot from ME, as opposed to a live human partner. So, YOU figure what I might choose in my life, given the choice! LOL I wouldn't relive ANY of my life over again. I LIKE who I am. I like HOW I am. I like WHAT I know. I wouldn't trade any of my life for anything. And, I've come to appreciate what I've learned and where I'm at. I can only hope the same for others...

I will weigh in here, too. If a person is convinced their life is not complete without diapers, a diaper life (DL OR AB) and a diaper "world", you MUST "draw a line in the sand" BEFORE making a committment, or BEFORE you move on with a relationship, and lay it out. Admitting to being a DL or AB CANNOT be revealed to a partner LATER, AFTER a relationship - especially MARRIAGE - is established, and be expected to be accepted, unless you've connected with a very special and open-minded partner! As much as it might hurt, it's far better to end a potential relationship BEFORE anything is established, if you have not "'fessed up" and been assured of understanding WHAT you are saying about a FETISH AND YOU involvement and ACCEPTANCE of it. Geez, you can even go as far as a signed letter of acceptance, so your "revelation" doesn't come back later to haunt you. Drastic? Maybe. Comforting, in the long run? Perhaps. When I was dating, after my second divorce - and my ex, out of spite, used my "leanings" against me IN the divorce - I decided I would rather go to my grave ALONE, and DIAPERED, than to have to hide my DLism and a DL lifestyle I love, than to have a partner I couldn't tell, wouldn't accept it or it would cause nothing but problems with. I have three kids, and pretty much hid my diaper life from them, though my youngest DID tell his kindergarten teacher that his daddy wore diapers! That was the only repercussion I ever heard over three kids and all their years of living with me! LOL YOU have to decide how important your diapers are in your life. You HAVE to decide if you need to be open about it or can successfully satisfactorily secretly hide your leanings - it doesn't work, IMHO - the rest of your life. If you can't, then your leanings have to be up front, out in the open, and on the table FROM THE GITGO. My wife still chuckles about me running around the house in just diapers and plastic pants - and usually a full diaper - on Saturday mornings - but she knew about "my thing" as she calls it, and I rarely don't thank her for her acceptance, encouragement and participation, and I usually, without going into details, make it "worth her while" - in a variety of ways! - for her open-minded attitude AND encouragement. If she had NOT accepted my DL life, we would NOT be married now, and I would have been very sad to have cut HER loose. I'm a very lucky and happy man with her in my life! Looking at the header again, let me reiterate, you don't come OUT of the closet. You need to BE out, from the start. I feel bad and sad for those that have partners that didn't know from the start and don't accept, but I think we all are our own worst enemies - I mean, diapers, after all, are only absorbent underwear! - and how WE handle "our thing" will determine how OTHERS handle it. Too soon old, too late wise, in too many cases in the DL/AB world... Oh, and the guy on guy thing? You're not alone in being "curious". While I am straight - may a little bi (and I hear if you call yourself bi, you're actually gay - um, I don't agree...) - the male body and male response is an intersting thing, and to experience it, if nothing else, a time or two, I don't think, is a bad or negative thing. But, again MY humble opinion. And, I wouldn't trade my wife for a male any day. Given that, I'm not going to agonize over diapers OR my sexual preferences, which are MINE, and I'm comfortable with!

I'm not sure this should be a problem. You use whatever you must. If you drive, you leave your diaper bag in the car. If you can't make it through a movie with one diaper and soakers(and you should be using soakers or doubler anyway - disposables, in the crotch especially, are notorious for leaking), you need a better brand of diaper! Unless you only bicycle, and you can leave a small diaper bag attached, like a saddle-bag, to your bike - why would you carry supplies WITH you INTO anyplace? My diaper bag goes with me everywhere and that's where I would change, in my car. I have taken supplies with me into the YMCA, gotten OUT of a wet diaper before going into the pool - how ironic, eh? LOL - and then gone back into the handicapper stall to get diapered to go home (wife says if I GO to the Y diapered, I'd better come HOME diapered! LOL), but it's not my fave thing to do. The size of the bag you need depends upon the number of supplies you need. It's not THAT tough to figure out...Um, you must be young. In MY day, we didn't HAVE backpacks to go to school with. Yeah, I'm old... LOL

I'm chuckling with your last post. Filling ones' diaper is definitely an acquired "pleasure". Personally, I think it's a necessary part of the DL experience and for an AB, a must. I applaud you for your decision to go 24/7, even for a weekend, and I think every DL ought to try it. I mean, it will tell you just how "dedicated" you are to your "leanings" and how far you really want to go or be into your pleasures. 24/7 is not an easy thing - I have to admire and empathize with true incons for their NEED of absorbent underwear for "protection" and "hygiene" purposes - and letting your bowels loose in public actually takes some planning. An adult cannot, realistcally run around in public with a poopy diaper, and clean-up IS a chore when away from the comforts of home. A person can play around with "surprise" of what their diaper can hold and what they can do in it for how long. It's actually better to KNOW, and then when you choose a 24/7 "session", you CAN do so in a very natural fashion, without any fear of exposure or leaking, and THAT make make it a whole lot more pleasureable. No one else will ever notice you are diapered - unless you CHOOSE to make it known (which is not advisable, lest you be viewed is a pervert) - and if you're like me, you can simply enjoy the decadence you feel with no one the wiser. Keeps drawing me to more of a 24/7 lifestyle simply because it's so easy to do, so easy to be discreet and gives me so much pleasure. You go, Kiddo!

I think, for the most part, WE are our own worst enemies. We dread the worst, from what we know, from what we've seen from what we've heard and what we ASSUME. I LOVE the feeling of decadence as a 55 yr. old DL, who is in diapers A LOT (by MY choice), discreetly, under regular adult clothing, but I also LOVE wetting and messing - by MY choice, like MY choice of "absorbent underwear" (and I wear cloth diapers and plastic pants as much as disposables, with which I also use plastic pants) - and it is MY choice. If anyone notices, bully for them! I don't make it obvious what I'm wearing, given the small-mindedness of other people, and with diapers, unless you WANT to be obvious, there's a lot more peeps in diapers than any of us can imagine. Incontinence is a major health issue and incontinence products is a HUGE business bringing manufacturers mega-bucks. In my experience, if I buy diapers at like Walgreens, if I am out in public diapered (discreetly, as I said), nobody really gives a damn, nobody says anything, and if the look on my face is "matter-of-fact", I give no one any REASON to say anything, think anything or react. Diapers are absorbent underwear. There are people of ALL ages beyond the "accepted age" of being diapered, that need diapers, wear diapers, and/or ENJOY diapers. And, public perception aside, the CHOICE to be diapered is exactly THAT - a choice. And, for the true incon, the NEED for "containment" to whatever degree is a given. Except for the AB male idiots that want to be able to run down to 7-11 late at night for a Slurpee wearing just diapers, a t-shirt and shoes/sandals late at night, and give the rest of us a bad name and brand the rest of the AB/DL world as sick, twisted and perverted (read that, in most cases, pedos)- and get all that fine media exposure - even without going into the BD/SM thing, we're all pretty much fine, sane and well-adjusted, and simply have our OWN choice of underwear and life-style. As I said, I'm convinced that we CAN be our own worst enemies. The more normal WE feel, and make OUR thing seem as reasonable as any other "leaning", we CAN educate others. I mean, my wife isn't "into" diapers, but I CAN get her into them, and wet them, and it's not so repulsive she won't accomodate me, besides encouraging me in MY DL lifestyle. I'm not sure the BD/SM dungeon thing would be so easily accepted. It's absorbent underwear, for cripe's sake. And, if that is MY choice of underwear, why is it so much more obtuse than 'tighty-whiteys" or anything else? And, if we go a step further into the sexual realm, and stimulation, etc., we move to a different level, and diapers become a prop. Relax. Diaper up. Wet. Mess. Or not. Enjoy. The more normal WE make it for ourselves, the more normal we can make even the idea of diapers and wearing them (and using them for their intended purposes) for others. Isn't THAT a plan!

I am wearing some delightful and sturdy snap-ons with adjustable leg bands, though they seem pricey, but are wonderful from B4NS.com. This company has the softest vinyl - almost TOO soft - and the sizes run large, but the snap-on pants must be outsourced as they run small. I LOVE their products, though!

One thing I forgot to add is that WE, DLs and ABs, are stimulated - maybe visually, maybe sexually - by the prop - diapers. So, since DIAPERS turn us on, the thought of OTHERS being in them, just like us, turns us on, and SEEING someone else wearing them OUT IN PUBLIC, to the point of being obvious, even to a discerning eye - which ours would HAVE to be - turns us on. So, since it's not handcuffs, or leather, or rubber, or anything else that is stimulating us (at least, in this forum) but diapers, it's OUR thing, and it's diapers that turn us on. Thus, being stimulated by seeing another adult, out in public, in diapers simply follows. I think sometimes it is US that makes a big deal about a lot of things and once WE come to grips with US, and become comfortable with WHO we are and HOW we are, we can sit back and just enjoy life. And, if we choose to do so making diapers a part of that life, it's OUR choice, and so much the better for US, who will probably live longer, live with less stress and enjoy life more fully. That is just my editorial "2 cents". I LIKE who I am and HOW I am. That has made a difference in MY life. I can only wish the same for ALL my brothers and sisters in diapers out there!

I really don't know where the appeal of real rubber (latex) pants, began for me, but I used to view it, especially if they were amply cut to go over really bulky diapers, for a bondage scene - being kept in diapers as punishment for long periods, like in an "asylum scene" - real rubber pants could form fit over the diapers and provide superior leakproofing, to the point of "sloshiness", making me "steep in my own juices". That was a very erotic thought for me until I was able to more be in diapers as I wanted to be. Then, in dabbling with real rubber pants, they could be heavy and not as enjoyable as plastic pants for practical use out in public. However, real rubber pants DO have their place. I hope they are never phased out of production!

I think the major thing for most of us is the fact that if we are DL or AB, there is a feeling of decadence in wanting to be in diapers and being in them AND using them for their intended purpose, well past the age of diapers being "acceptable". For incons, getting beyond the shame and self-loathing many feel for being incontinent - and not by choice and beyond their control - and disgust at the burden and extra considerations they have to deal with on a daily basis with the need to consider "protection", there are some that have embraced diapers and their wear just as a DL or AB would. Obviously, making lemonade out of lemons is not only wise, but admirable, and makes dealing with HAVING to accept diapers 24/7 a lot easier. That said, most DLs, ABs and Incons FEEL different, aiming this comment at Sookie. And, in feeling different, we want to know that we are not alone. Not only do we want acceptance, encouragement, participation and ultimately, for most, a partner that JOINS us in our DL or AB life, and embraces it, even to the point of making it a lifestyle, we want to know that there are others just like us "out there". I would be wonderful if every DL or AB, or even the DL/AB focussed Incon wore some sort of little badge that identified them - or, US, as it were. Then, we would truly know that we are not alone AND we would KNOW that there are others "out in public" very comfortable BEING "different" and just BEING different - diapered, as it were - whether there is/was an obvious diaper bulge or an audible "swish" of plastic backing on a disposable diaper (and, sadly, with the "breathable" backing on adult disposables, even THAT is going the way of the dinosaur!) or plastic pants over a cloth diaper. In most cases you have to LOOK closely or LISTEN closely to detect diapers on another adult out in public. Most adult diaper wearers WANT to be DISCREET. They don't WANT it obvious, they don't WANT other people to know. They don't WANT sympathy (the incontient) and they don't WANT to be identified as a freak or singled out for someone to call the police because they've been discovered wearing diapers! Most DLs, even ABs, or incons would never dream of heading out to 7/11 for a Slurpee at midnight wearing just bulky diapers, a t-shirt and sandals. Yes, a fantasy and dream for the freedom to be able to do that, and have it be acceptable, FOR SOME, but it's going to get you a chat with a police officer and perhaps a free ride to the psyche ward at the local hospital for "observation" and maybe, an "interview". Yes, Sookie, there ARE peeps out there in diapers for medical reasons, and that IS perfectly fine and acceptable. For the prudent DL or AB (who wants to just be in diapers OUTSIDE of an AB "scene"), defaulting to "medical reasons" if discovered being in diapers out in public is a perfectly good default. Who elses NEEDS to know the only reason your diapers are wet is because you CHOSE to soak them down? : ) And, if you are messy, you probably are pretty insensative toward others who could easily be offended by your "airs". Most incons, having an unexpected bowel movement, would not THINK to hang around out in public just to see what the reaction of others might be! Greenleaf, your underlying questions are probably one that most of us in the DL/AB world have thought about from Day One. Are there others out there and I wonder if I will ever see another adult in public, diapered obviously enough to be detected? As has been noted already, the odds of seeing other adults in public, obviously diapered, are not good, except at certain times and at certain places. If that works for YOU, then that's where you put yourself to see that. I keep hoping to see some gregarious female - at 55, a woman from 30-45 would do ME - acting oblivious to the fact that her diapers are showing under a shorter skirt, and not really caring WHO sees them or what they think about it. Alas, the best I can do is revel in the fact that MY WIFE looks REALLY hot in diapers, and WILL wear them WITH me and FOR me once in a while. I guess I have far more than a great many, and I am extremely grateful for that. I freguently tell my wife that, too!

When I discovered I was into diapers, I also needed "wetproofing". Growing up with Gerber plastic pants - I think, as I don't really remember - it was plastic pants that I was attracted to and wanted to have. That said, I was always interested in "rubber pants", though I knew nothing about them. It just seemed to me that waterproof pants made of rubber would be far more leakproof and would form-fit better over bulky cloth diapers. Finding them was the major quest for a long time. I was able to get a ready supply through a JK Perfect Personal Products for many years and they had "welded" leg and waist openings, as opposed to exposed elastic - which can wick wetness - in plastic pants. While the price was right, the quality was never assured or consistent, though one can easily repair rubber pants with rubber cement! I always liked real rubber pants though I would like to have had some in a high-waist style. Subsequent rubber pants were never as affordable as those through JK, and some I bought had sewn leg & waist bands and some were very thick as opposed to JK's. Actually, since VI Products went out of business, I've come to love B4NS pants, though pricey, and as they are very soft vinyl, have a propensity to rip far too easily, and the plastic at the sewn leg openings, after a lot of useage, tends to come undone. Boo. But, real rubber pants rock. As I am 55, I HEARD about "rubber pants" from the day I could remember hearing conversations about diapers & "rubber pants" (the term my parents used) though we were well into the vinyl waterproof baby pants by the late 50's when I was growing up.