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@blueline: Concerning cloth diapers, my last purchase was the small 4 layer (night) purity diapers from https://www.adultclothdiaper.com/Adult-Flat-Diapers-Gauze-Purity . Use size charts to verify what you need. Some of the larger folks on this site would need to use the large size. You don't need inserts. You can add layers. Due to my volume, during the day I wear two at a time. At night I wear three... As to quantity, my last order was for two dozen. I'm been rotating between an older set and the new set between washes. My last purchase was in 2018. Note that cloth diapers, once major release occurs, will feel wet, while disposables might not be noticed.... For me, I never learned to dislike a clean and dry or warm and wet (cloth) diaper.... And I'm old enough to have been in cloth as a young child. You will need to add a protective pant on top, and diaper pins or something like snapies (larger size) or bongos. I prefer diaper pins as the others more easily tear the type of diaper I currently buy, but can be useful if you are concerned about metal detectors set to be very sensitive. What I used to get (and liked) was from VI Products and then from Comco, both of which went out of business some time ago. They both had decent and very reasonably priced vinyl protective pants. At this time, I mainly use PUL pants, which are typically manufactured by Gary and sold by a number of companies. Kins is an alternative, but I don't like the cut of their protective pants for what I've tried from them so far...There are very few other manufactures available in the US and CA at this time. (Not sure where one company that has a few alternatives get their supply from. Rubber and Vinyl are typical alternatives to PUL.) As to cleaning, I have a washer and dryer in my house. I find diapers like these are thinner and will wash and dry easier than the multi-layer sewn pre-folds. As long as only # 1, hot wash, w/ normal soap, no bleach and white vinegar instead of a "fabric softener", extra rinse. If used for # 2, you will want to pre-wash with a cold wash otherwise warm or hot will likely set stains. Never use fabric softeners (in washer or dryer) on cloth diapers. And it may take a few washes of new diapers to get sizing out and get them to "normal" absorbancy. I'm basically only using them for # 1, and I tend to run a wet diaper pail and not dry diaper pail (for me, a five gallon bucket with lid). And that can get heavy when full. @bluelineHow much cloth diapers hold depend on how many you layer to wear at one time. Before BPH hit, my volume in one shot needed significant padding. These are not thin to start with.... But they are not expanding (just sagging) when wet. I'm used to wearing thicker cloth diapers all the time now, and usually not noticed at all. One of the few times it was noticed, was on vacation while folding the diapers after washing and drying.... And another person walked in to the camp ground laundry room while I was folding them. That person thought they would make good towels.... And I agreed they could make good towels... Then I think the person realized what I was folding and that ended the subject.... Yes, I wear pants a size up from what I would if not in diapers. And now, I've changed out regular t-shirts to snap crotch onesies (Tykables t-shirts) or rompers. No one really notices anything....

@bluelineIf you are in the US / Canada, J&J has gotten out of the baby powder business. I prefer talc baby powder and there is no where in the US or Canada that I can get that now. I'd have to take a trip to Europe or Australia or possibly some other locations to get more when my current supply (picked up while on sale going out of stock) runs out. In this area you might find corn starch based baby powder from store brands, but I'm not sure how much longer that is going to last with J&J out of the market. So good luck finding baby powder if that is what you want and you are in the US or Canada. As to diapers, I prefer cloth, so that's what helps keep my costs down. Personally, for vacation, I now will use disposable but I prefer the higher capacity diapers - Megamax and Tykables (blue) camies.... Along with high capacity inserts I can finally get a good nights sleep without having the disable leak on me... Reason went to cloth diapers when secondary nocturnal enuresis started for me... Yes, this is more than $1 per diaper.... But I can go with one per day, with the major use during the night. Daytime I normally make it to the toilet for most of it....

@Little_Mouse: You must live outside of North America (at least US and Canada)....

@Toddler Pampers: Technically you are incorrect, at least for copyright laws in the US. In the US as soon as something is on paper (or equivalent - i.e. produced), it is under copyright. Now if you want to go to court, it definitely helps if you have filed the paper work on the item. This dates back I believe to the copyright law changes from around 1976. Prior to 1976 (or what the year was), you DID have to file the paperwork to have the copyright protection. That law change flipped the script on requiring the filing.... I am not up on the rules in other countries. However most countries have signed on to a treaty covering copyright. Each country still has its own rules though.

@Little Sherri: As @tuffy said, in the US, you have to exceed 7.5% of income in medical expenses before you can deduct on your personal federal income taxes, and I'm no where near close to that. However, I do have the needed medical documentation. There again, I came here from need for handling incontinence issues and not from the AB / DL side. My documentation is to justify FSA fund usage. And I don't really want to get into that, but it comes down to both IRS policies and the policies of the company you work for.... And I had an issue with inconsistent documentation at the company level the first time I filed the FSA paperwork.... So, in the US, if you are making decent money, then you are unlikely to do this unless a family member is real sick. However some treatments are costly, especially if no insurance.... So, it is a legitimate question. Your mileage may vary. And I have no idea how Canada handles this for tax purposes.

@Enthusi My main problem is I don't notice a full bladder in my sleep.... And when I finally wake up, I'm soaked.... (Well, my diaper is soaked...) OK, this is in the desires section and not the incontinence section.... So, maybe I shouldn't comment....

If the tapes stick very good (such as Mega Max and some others), I value having the slight stretch so I can slide down the diaper to use the toilet when I can make it. I mainly need at night, so not as much issues there, but now I need something at times during the day.... Still prefer cloth most of the time....

@Little Sherri and others: I recently checked the local store I used to get the Talc powder from. They are now out of all J&J baby powders, so if you find it in the store, and want that brand for the sent (of the remaining corn starch based powders), grab it while you can. That's what I did while the Talc powder was in the stores.... Store brand corn starch based baby powder was still in stock, so it will be interesting to see how that goes since they won't be going to J&J for co-packing at this point....

@k4rak: If you find the XL a bit large, then you might want to try ONE hot wash cycle.... And see if it shrinks to fit.... I'd only do it if it was large on you and you were considering trying a large for the next purchase instead of an XL.

@k4rak: All the Tykables t-shirts / onsies and rompers are a stretch material, so if the 30" is right on for you, I'd go with the large. Just don't do a hot wash / hot dry with theses.

@Jessica1965Yes.... I needed diapers for secondary nocturnal enuresis. Putting my self back into diapers for that woke up the young boy in me....

@DAQThanks for the analysis. One thing that may be impact NorthShore more than than the ABDL brands, is North Short is probably trying to always have stock in supply of each size all the time. ABDL companies will run out of stock and I expect will not be as concerned. As such, North Shore has probably had to buy things when the market (such as shipping containers) were at peak high prices where the ABDL companies probably held off for better pricing. I don't know if this is the case... Just my speculation on some of what may have driven up NorthShore's costs over the ABDL market. As I understand it, all of these folks are still only getting the 5000+ ml capable diapers from Chinese manufactures. Maybe NorthShore is also trying to get to the point where they can manufacture the higher capacity diapers elsewhere (i.e. in US or maybe Europe). Just speculation. Still as a consumer, price, absorbancy and fit are primary concerns in what I will purchase. And since I use mainly cloth diapers, I'm less impacted by this aspect. However a good disposable is definitely a convenience when on vacation / traveling, which is when I tend to use these products.

@TinyBunny: You need better plastic pants, and maybe thicker cloth diapers. I'm still looking for better protective pants myself. I have yet to find as good a replacement for the old VI Products or Comco vinyl pants that used to be made at a reasonable cost. There are some "high waste" pants and some "bloomer" style pants that provide better coverage. In general, I wearing thicker cloth (slightly more layers) than I would normally need if the protective pants did a decent job when the diaper was heavily saturated. Fortunately, I'm rarely saturating the cloth that bad....

@oznl Ah, a reason to make a visit to your country some time -- to restock on Talc Baby Powder. Figured it would have to be a trip to Europe..... And then I would get to see how badly Ausie security handles a checked bag of mostly talc baby powder bottles..... If the bag is x-ray'ed I expect it would get attention for a secondary inspection.

@Jessica1965 Yes, warm or hot will help set the stain. On the rare occasion I have this issue, I try to immediately run a cold water wash to keep it from staining. Once that is handled, I run a normal hot wash of waiting diapers.... I'm using a front load HE type washer. @tuffy Exactly.

@Little Sherri: I am well aware that every one in the US has stopped selling Talc based baby powder a few years back. The generic store brands stopped before J&J's brand was no longer available. I stocked up at the end.... And J&J is no longer selling Talc powder in the US or Canada. The initial shutdown of the Talc baby powder was Women's cancer risk, and not associated (necessarily) with asbestos. However, later, J&J had an issue with Talc powder entering the US with asbestos detected.... @BabyJilly_S Last I knew you could still get the Talc baby powder in Europe. I'd love to hear someone able to confirm (or properly deny) that. I haven't seen where corn starch based baby powders have stopped production for the US market.... I'll have to look closer next time I'm in the store....Last time I looked (it's been a while), J&J and generic cornstarch based baby powder was widely available for sale in the US.

@Advrin: I first saw your welcome message, and then looked and found you also posted this one. Welcome.... As I've stated elsewhere, acceptance is a two edge sword. I am assuming you have dealt with the doctors, etc., looking for recovering and the results are "it ain't going to happen".... Not what you want, but now you have to deal with it.... For me, what put me back into diapers at night was adult onset of secondary nocturnal enuresis (bed wetting), that hit while getting over a medical issue, that unfortunately never cleared once I got over the illness... Since then early onset of BPH issues have left me needing some protection in the day (and better protection if I want to safely take a nap). So, I realize, for your mental health you need to find a way to accept the need for wearing something and in your case, diapers are probably the best solution. And now you are here... I found this community looking for the diapers I needed at night, and once back in them, it woke the "young boy" in me.... For me, there is definitely a DL side to me.... I hope you find what you need for self acceptance so you can move on with living life as full as you can. I'm fortunate to not need to (normally) deal with the #2 issue with diapers. I can push it too close at times, but not a normal issue. For your issues, find what works for you. Don't let needing diapers keep you from doing things. Instead plan for being able to handle the situation even when you are out and about being active. Yes, it takes time to find what products work for you and how to manage if when out and about. But I encourage to get out and find what works, which will also mean finding out some things that don't work, for you. Best wishes going forward.

@DL2000: I expect you will find most hear will state it takes a fair amount of time before it is permanent.... However,,,, For me, it only took two weeks on medication to get over an illness, which resulted in wetting the bed every night for the two weeks, I commented to the doctor after the first or second night and he wasn't concerned, expecting it to go away on its own. (In hind site, should have been concerned...) After that two week period, I am no longer reliably dry at night. Prior to the effects of BPH and how that has been managed, I was typically wetting about 1/3 to 2/3's of the time. I had one three week dry spell and one about six week dry spell, but that's it, despite trying to get back to "normal". I'm now at the point of only being able to get at best two of three items from: (1) Staying properly hydrated, (2) Getting a good nights sleep and (3) Being dry in the morning.... So, it varies. Depends on how you were made.... Some folks are closer to the line than most folks.

@FreeFlowin Finding acceptance / balance is one of the "tricks" all of us have to deal with... You just need to find your balance for now. Some advice: If you get towards a "purge" side, just box stuff up and hold on to it. Don't through it out.... Based on what's been said so far, I expect you will be back... Just need some room and time... Take care....

@Soggy Bottom BoyDo you wear cloth or disposable? I've mainly warn cloth as until recently a disposable wouldn't handle a full on flood from my full bladder. I used to try to wait till after security to put on, but I'm worse now. And if I'm going to wear, I'm going to have something that can handle my worse case day time issue during the day (i.e. a full bladder during a nap)... That takes more than a thin cloth diaper... Combine with sweat, and the newer (post 9/11) scanners aren't set to pass such a situation. As to the powder, travel size might get through easier. And a used canister (partially empty) tends to have a better chance of getting through without issues. But the 18oz (or 22oz?) talc baby powder bottles that are full (un-opened) I think I'm at 100% secondary inspection on carry on luggage since 9/11. And since I can't buy that in North America any more, I do need to take a bottle with me if I want that.... No, I haven't switched to Corn Starch based baby powder.... It isn't the same, and I question the logic of possibly feeding a fungus with corn starch.... When I run out of my current supply it will get interesting on what I do next. (I believe it is still sold in Europe.) And some of it may be the air port(s) I've been through... The larger ones usually have the body scanners for everyone that isn't running with a TSA pre-check clearance. I did get a "free" clearence outbound on one ticket early on, and the metal detector had no issues with my situation. @AbabeBill In the US, that's no longer an option for Talc Baby Powder as you can no longer purchase such in the US.

@FreeFlowin I've been contemplating responding.... I think you are closer to having incontinence issues than most that want it. I would recommend being careful till you are ready to go 24/7. For me, a combination of illness, the medications used to get over the illness and how my body is made left me with adult onset secondary nocturnal enuresis that never went away after the two weeks on the medication to get over the illness. So, more permanent bed-wetting can come on fast for a few people. It just isn't the normal situation. I definitely recommend seeing a doctor, if nothing else to rule things out (like UTI, or other possible issues). And yes, you may be more "mentally" acceptable of wetting the bed.... For me, I never did learn to wake up if the mictrition cycle started while I was sleeping.... As a kid, while rare, it took something else to wake me up besides emptying my bladder. @oznl: I think I agree with you (at least in part) no mater whether this is from the fetish side or because one needs due to medical / incontinence issues.

@Little BabyDoll Christine: Has your mommy dollies allowed you to take the bar of soap out your mouth? Good little boys and girls, especially princesses wearing tiaras, aren't supposed to use that word. <grin>.... I'm not going to report it to Daily Di. He might add another word to the naughty list, and then you would have to switch the leading p to a g.... And then Daily Di would add yet another word to the filter.... <GRIN>

@oznl Won't fit.... <grin>

@Dyson I'll be contrary to most here. I grew up before the internet. My first computer account that included an e-mail address was at college and would have required you to have a network map of how the machines connected (via dial-up) and used bang paths to tell the computers how to route mail to my account on one of the machines in the comp sci department that was participating in the UUCP (unix to unix copy, over dial-up connection) based mail connections. This was pre DNS, etc. I have a few instances in my youth that overlap with DL tendencies, but I don't consider myself a DL until after, as an adult, I put myself back in diapers at night due to adult onset of secondary nocturnal enuresis.... I did find that putting myself back in diapers at night for need woke up the "little boy" in me, and I'd say the little boy was just waiting for me to do that.... I need the diapers (incontinence issues), but I can tell a piece of me likes them / is a DL.... And further experimentation since then adds to this conclusion. Due to medical issues / how my body was built / genetics, I think I would have eventually found this out no matter what. It was just a matter of time and not acted on till the medical need hit. I know from what I did act on in my youth that I lacked the knowledge that someone growing up with the internet would have found via the internet. As such, never "triggered" in my youth despite some instances that explicitly exposed me to the subject... I think if I had the internet, I probably would have done a search that would have opened the door in my youth that didn't get opened with what I did have access to and exposed to. (Apologies to one AB/DL that was hopeful when I stared at a picture he had on the outside of his dorm room door, wondering why he would put an image of himself at a younger age standing, in just a diaper and t-shirt on that door.... Obviously in hind site something was there, but didn't trigger then. That's just one of a handful of items in my youth.) So, yes, I believe there are folks out their that would have more likely triggered in their youth if the internet had been around in their youth.

A full (plastic) can of Talc powder will show up on the X-Ray machine like other items they are trying to restrict. Once they run the explosive (secondary) test on the container, it will pass. But it will cause secondary screening. At this point I always pull my bottle of talk powder out of the carry on being inspected so that it is by itself and they don't have to dig through other items. And they usually have to wait on the explosive test till they clear me from the nude scanner, due to that not being programmed for thicker cloth diapers..... If I can avoid the full body scanners and just use the metal detector, those are usually not set sensitive enough for my diaper pins, and if they are, the hand held usually triggers on the metal snaps in the jeans near the pins and causes no further inspection.... Last I checked, non of the items I've mentioned are prohibited from going through (US) airport security.... I suspect if you put the talc powder in checked baggage you will find they open your checked bag, but I haven't tested that recently (i.e. not tested post 9/11). I think this is the same issue I hit back when I carried undeveloped photographic film in lead lined bags. Of course they want to inspect the contents of those bags (in carry on luggage). Going digital on the camera has relieved that issue. There is one other item I've gone through air port security with that causes even more trouble, but you can eventually get cleared. Just takes time....