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One thing I hear mentioned from this community a lot (and other places), is that wanting to go full 24/7 with complete untraining is, "You just wanting to make your kink into your whole life.", and while that is true in some aspects, I really don't think bluntly slapping the label of "kink" on it describes it well enough. In my case, I'm mostly just a DL. I'm not interested in having a mommy, or baby clothes/furniture, acting like a baby, being in littlespace, pascifiers, or anything like that. Nor do I want to be an exhibitionist about it or make it my identity. I just enjoy wearing them, the feeling of them, and the feeling of using them, and incorporating them into what I do. I might want to try some AB stuff, with the right hypnotist, under the right circumstances, someday, but not intentionally on my own. So, for me, engaging with my kink is mostly just putting them on and going about my day. That's the fun of it for me! And at this point in my life, I've already worn diapers out and about in a bunch of situations: riding my bike, going shopping, getting gas, going to restaruants, going on walks, all both with and without my girlfriend being present. The only times I haven't worn yet are: around friends, at work, in front of my parents, and on long several-day trips. So then... if this is a kink for me... then on those occasions where I do wear for long stretches of time... then shouldn't I be a lot more horned-up / randy / turned-on on a more regular basis? But the thing is, it's usually the exact opposite effect. Once I'm wearing diapers, its a lot easier for me to stop thinking about them. The bulk reminds me subtly throughout the day that they are still on me, but I spend less time thinking about them overall. I generally become a lot more productive on days I wear. If we're talking about self-pleasuring, I actually do a lot less of that while wearing, and a lot less random touching in general. And as for actual sex, I don't ask my girlfriend to wear, and I don't ask her to engage with them during sex in any way. I keep my diaper thing and our sex lives seperate. I only ask that someday (if I do go full 24/7) she'll be able to get to the point where she can "see past them" and still find me sexy enough to rip them off of me for some action every once in a while (edgy, non-baby prints help a lot with her). And also consider what those who have gone 24/7 say... which is usually something along the lines of, "your kink for this will almost entirely vanish once you cross the line and the reality of it all sets in." So... could it be that us wanting to go full 24/7, with untraining and all, is a subconscious attempt for us to try and "defeat" our desires? What I'm doing with my DL thing now is pretty much about as far as I can possibly go with it without going full 24/7 and untraining. I can wear 3-4 days a week without issue. I'm not a bedwetter, but, I've effectively trained myself that if I go to bed diapered, I will wake up soaked. I've got a good balance right now, so why I would desire to engage with it so much that it would ruin my interest in it is something that I don't fully understand about myself. Maybe it's just my brain's way of trying to "get over it". My one theory is that, right now, if I want to engage with lustful energy (so to speak), diapers are more accessible than sex. I can put one on anytime, but sex requires the right mood and timing. I might be used to the easy fulfillment of dopamine from actual wearing and online diaper content, but if diapers would become routine, mundane, bothersome, uncomfortable, ect., then they would no longer fulfill that need for me, and I would suddenly be craving a lot more regular sex than I have in recent years. .... which is why I asked in the title how much of a "kink" it is to want to go 24/7, because it seems like it would achieve the exact opposite effect of most other kink-lifestyles, and almost force you to life healthier and less sexually active in a lot of ways. (OK, brain dump over let me know your thoughts!)

I would suggest doing some research to see which brand offers the tallest inner leak-guards. As someone (probably much like you) with an anatomy that isn't exactly built for optimum diaper usage due to their size, I found that super-tall inner leak-guards, whether in pull-ups or diapers, are crucial to keeping leaks and floods contained. The outer 'leg-cuffs' of any product can only do so much. If they fail, you will be leaking, period. So having tall inner leak-guards is crucial, as especially for those with male anatomy, as these guards do a large part in "wrapping up your junk", so to speak, which helps keep sudden bursts and floods from over-flowing into your pants. Instead, good inner leak-guards will re-direct urine flow into the most absorbant areas of your undergarment, inscreasing it's lifespan. It's just another case of, "you get what you pay for", and in this case, the few extra pennies spent on a product with good leak guards will make all the difference in the world.

It may be a targeted ad based on your search history, but my reaction to this kind of thing is... "Well... of course!" "When I choose to wear diapers to bed, I don't have to get up 2-3 times per night to go pee, and I sleep soundly the entire night. Instead of waking up at 11am the next day and feeling groggy and lethargic because I kept waking up all night, I instead wake up at 7am or 8am feeling fully-recharged and ready to go. I may not sleep as long, but the quality of my sleep improves 3x-fold. I'd much rather have 6 hours of deep, deep sleep, than 12 hours of constantly interrupted sleep. As a result, I have more time each day, more energy, and overall I feel better whenever I do it. If diapers are appealing to you, in any way, it's truly a no-brainer."

Absolutely! Just be sure to PM me a link to the new guide once it's done

There are a lot of guides out there on how to persue this lifestyle, but I wanted to share something with you all that I believe was one of the biggest key elements in helping me make real progress towards any sort of incontinence goals; and that is to constantly be working on increasing the size of your diaper stash! For many years, I would only buy trial 2-packs, and on occasion, one or two full packs from different brands. When I was only buying in these increments, I would always be concerned with how many diapers I would use, and how long it would be before I ran out of them completely. I was also concerned with thoughts like, "What if I don't get a good fit because I don't know how to tape up this brand, and I leak right away?", or, "What if I poop in it immediatly and end up wasting it without testing it's limits?", ect., ect.... As a result, I could never allow myself to relax long enough to make any real headway on going 24/7, as I was never able to relax my body/muscles enough to truly be "free-flowing". There was always the lingering idea of, "You're gonna run out of protection soon, so you better not let it go too far..." ...However, as of about 8 months ago, I started ordering cases instead of packs, mostly for cost efficency, and also to have enough diapers to always be able to change without worrying about running out. I also wanted to live the "incontinent lifestyle", to see how it would be to always needed to be in diapers, aside from being in the shower or naked in the woods. You'd be surprised how aware your subconscions mind is of your current stash, and when it knows you have tons of extra diapers, it'll allow you to go so much easier, simply knowing you won't be running out of protection anytime soon. In fact, buying cases is what I believe allowed me to unlock the part of my brain that allowed me to be able to wet at night, but only while protected. (see my thread in the Bedwetters section, please) When I first wet the bed again after 30+ years, it was because I was wearing diapers 23/7 for nearly a week, including at night, and with a sizeable stash to fall back on, I think my brain finally allowed me to relax and just let go. So if I were to offer any advice to those wanting to go full-24/7, it's this: Work on increasing your diaper stash! No, seriously, before you begin your 24/7 journey, get as MANY cases of diapers as you possibly can first. I don't mean just 1 or 2, try to get 15 or 20 full cases. Find storage in your house for them. Dedicate a closet or entire room to them if you have to. Even if you can't get them all at once, save up. Watch for sales. Get them one or two at a time, and keep saving them up. Once you have dozens of cases, you'll have so many diapers to fall back on, you'll be able to go for months without stocking back up. And your body will know it, and will relax accordingly. Just be careful.... you may see some real results this way... especially if you are already following along with relaxation exercizes, reverse kegels, hypnosis, continued untraining, affirmations, 12-month program, whatever else you do, ect....

Finally thought of some question relevant to this thread, specifically for folks like @BrownBobby and @A Little Hypnosis LLC: I'm curious about the "letter of recommendation" needed to be able to persue incontinence with a hypnotherapist or other means. I never even thought that getting something like this would be possible, as it seems many therapists either aren't even aware of AB/DL, or try to do what they can to "fix" you. Some people have even had nightmarish experiences with therapists, resulting in them being labeled as "sexual deviants" that apparently needed to be put on medication. I feel like getting a letter of recommendation like this would almost be even more important than the hypnosis as far as self-acceptance... just some kind of acknowledgement by the medical community that, "You're ok to do this, we recognize what this thing is, it's just part of who you are, and you can persue incontinence." But, at the same time, I also feel like getting a letter like that would be VERY dependant on which therapist you would talk to. I'm also curious as to where the line is that would determine wether or not this is something you'd be allowed to do, or if you were taking things to an unreasonable extreme. In my case, I've known about my diaper interest since before I even knew what the "birds and bees" were. I haven't let it take over my life or limit me in any way, yet I've been struggling with accepting it my whole life. Even though I've come further than ever, especially with my partner, what if I would actually go talk to a therapist, and they would determine, "Nope, its unhealthy for you, you should really just stop."? For BrownBobby; I'm just curious what your path was like as far as therapists go and if the letter of recommendation was your idea, or if it was recommended to you. Also, I know I shouldn't be, but I'm a wee bit jealous of the fact that you managed to get something like that, really hoping I can get one someday. For A Little Hypnosis LLC; Have you ever had a client that really wanted to persue full-time incontinence, but was not able to get the recommendation needed?

I forgot that the Cammies were made by Tykables, my bad! The blue ones are definetly my speed, but it would be nice to see a proper green army camo design. They're also making a new design called "Deluge", which has more of a neutral pattern, and it reminds me a lot of some of my old boxer shorts. I've just never tried Tykables for a couple main reasons: 1. The things I want are rarely in stock in my size. 2. I just can't understand their pricing. $120 for only 40 seems like a lot. Thats $3 per diaper, whereas things like XP5000 and Betterdry go for around $1.66 per diaper (per case). And if I'm going to spend $45 on a single pack, I'd rather try the Trest Elites. I guess since I've never tried Tykables, I can't speak to if the price is worth it or not, but wow, those better be some mind-blowing diapers. (and as much as I like ABU, they too have the same issues...)

So, short background, my girlfriend has known about my DL interest for 7 years. While she does not fully understand it, or participate in it herself, she has no issue with me wearing around the house, wearing around her, wearing to bed, wearing when we go out shopping, ect. I've even done yoga with her while in only diapers, gym shorts and a t-shirt. However, she admits that actually seeing me wearing my diapers (as in, having them exposed with nothing covering them) is kind of a turn-off for her, and she admits that as much as she wants me to be happy, it still weirds her out to actually see it. She told me that the issue is that most diapers look SO baby-ish or SO "medical" that its hard to ignore the fact that it is clearly a diaper (especially when they've been used, then it becomes very obvious), and that she wished there were more fun prints out there. Thats when I showed her some of the more "adult" prints that existed out there; the tie-dye Megamaxes, the black InControl briefs, the "Weed-Leaf" diaper, the Halloween Haunts, and of course, the black and white Rebelz. When she saw those, she openly commented, "Oooohh, those are cool! I love the skull and crossbones!" A lightbulb went off. I thought this might be an opportunity, so I put in an order for a case the moment I was able to. When I got the case in the mail, my girlfriend remarked, "More supplies?" "Yup." "Are these some fun ones?" "These are some really fun ones, I think you'll dig em!" After which, she actually looked quite excited to see them! I went and put one on and put my pants over it, worked up some nerve, and finally went to show her. At first, I just slid the waist of my pants down so she could see the pattern, then I pulled my pants down a bit more so she could see what I look like in diapers plus a t-shirt. Her remarks were, "Yaaaassss, that's a cool pattern! I love it. If those were sticking up a little past your pants, you'd just think it was a pair of underwear. I mean... you can clearly see the bulge from below when you're wearing just your t-shirt, and I still think it would be a little bit weird to see you wearing ONLY your diaper, but a pattern like that really helps. You could walk around the house in just those and a t-shirt if you wanted to." It's about the most positive reaction I could've hoped for from my fairly-vanilla girlfriend, and certianly a huge step forward in normalizing this in our relationship! ... and that's when I found out they're discontinuing the B&W Rebelz style in favor of a pink one. 😞 Then I started to realize just how few diapers are out there that aren't "Baby-ish" or "Medical" looking... ABUniverse, Tykables, Bambino, and many other companies offer nothing in terms of more "mature" designs, especially when it comes to hook-and-loop style diapers. Even my mainstay favorite, the BetterDry, is being discontinued to focus on Crinklz apparently. And the cool ones that do come out are often expensive, limited edition, or have been long sold-out with no hope of a reprint. This post is just my plea to those companies to try and develop at least ONE design like that and add it to their catalog. I'm not into the AB thing at all, I don't want to feel, act, be seen, dress like, or be treated as either "babyish", or even "geriatric". I would just like some cool designs. They're literally helping my relationship here.

This is the third time now that the same news outlet has tossed around the same topic; first Matt Walsh did a video on it, then Brett Cooper (female Ben Sharpio), and now Ben too. Must have been a slow news day, because not much new is being said here, they're just re-highlighting the same topic again and again. Also, they keep using the same image of somebody who is deceased, which I think is a bit disrespectful. @cathdiap To answer your question though, for the most part, I agree that public exposure should be as close to 0% as possible. I am not in favor of public no-pants diaper wearing or full-on baby play in public places, and even just wearing "little outfits" out and about, even if you're fully clothed pushes it for me. I think of it this way, a diaper is a very personal medical product, much in the same way maxi pads are. If it is seen as obscene for somebody to walk around wearing the most sheer panties imaginable with a gigantic used maxi pad in them while not wearing any pants, then diapers should be treated the same way. If you NEED diapers for medical reasons, then you can't really remove them whenever you want, so for you, being in nothing but a diaper is essentially the same thing as being naked. So please don't walk around half-naked from waist down in public. Save that for private AB/DL parties.

Just wanted to reply because I feel like you and I are both in similar situations. I've had this desire since I was very young, (before I even fully understood the "birds and the bees") nobody ever encouraged me to do it, and I've even been physically assulted and horrifically verbally bullied over it, and yet it's still something I keep wanting to do to this day. I have a similar story to what you went through and are going through, which is over in the Bedwetters section of the page if you want to check it out. As for your situation, I'm curious to know how rock climbing, hiking, backpacking would be negatively impacted by incorporating diapers into your life. Perhaps if you intended to be out in the wilderness for weeks on end, the logistics of having or carrying enough diapers with you (and disposing of them) would be tricky, but I would think those activities wouldn't be completely out of the question if you were incontinent. In fact, going hiking in the wilderness might be a great way to air yourself out and go un-diapered if you had no control. What better place to just poop and pee freely than out in the woods? I'm also curious as to how people who go rock climbing even deal with having to go to the bathroom anyway. I can't imagine there are bathrooms built on top of those high rock-faces. So do people just leave poop piles on top of the mountain after they finish climbing it? Do they just pee off the edge? I legitimately want to know, because I've never even thought about it until now. Especially if the parks and places you climb at are strict about their enforement of littering/trash. You would almost think that diapers would be mandatory! Or perhaps you'd be worried about other climbers looking upward and seeing your padded butt? Well, think about it this way... If you told a new group of people that you had incontinence, but you still wanted to go rock climbing, a lot of people would probaby respect that, because you aren't looking at your incontinence as a limitation and you're living your life anyway. And if the group of people you tell is judgemental in any way, then you don't need them or want them around. Nobody needs to know its a personal interest or even a kink, any reasonable adult should be able to put aside something you have no control over, especially if you arent exposing them, and are just trying to go about your life. All that being said, I understand the mental gymnastics, I go through it every day. I think we both need to work on self-acceptance and re-framing the situation. Just curious, are you still wearing protection now to deal with the leaky bladder and urge incontinence?

That's a really good question, because I really don't know. What I do know is that this is something I've had an interest in since I was 6-7 years old, and I'm approaching 40, and it hasn't gone away. I've been trying to do stints of 24-hour wearing over the years, but was never able to do anything long-term (the most I've ever had is 2 weeks of 20/7 wearing, taking them off for work and family visits). I also had an experience recently that I documented in a big thread in the Bedwetters section about how I nearly became a bedwetter, and how it felt to face the possibility of waking up like a swollen water balloon every morning. It was kinda exciting but scary at the same time, knowing I could've "made the leap" if I wanted to. In an ideal world, I wouldn't have any issue with any form of incontinence, #1 or #2. Nor would I have issues carrying supplies or not being able to do a very small sub-set of activites. But is it important to me? It is... but maybe not as much as some other factors I'm dealing with in life at the moment. Explaining it to my parents would be hard (especially since they know Im a DL), and the cost is something I simply cannot afford at all at the moment, but the biggest hurdle to me doing this would likely be my partner. She is fine with me wearing around her, and to bed, but she really doesn't want to actually see me naked in only my diapers, and they would also be a barrier to some of her biggest turn-ons (like seeing my groin area in tight clothing and "feeling me up" from the outside). Ever since I started wearing more last August, her sex drive has dropped dramatically, and I'm afraid it would impact our relationship if I went all-in. I still want to start a family, have children, move up in my finances, travel more, start my own business, ect, and at times I feel like diapers could effect all of those things, especially the first two in my case. It is important to me, but Im not sure if it outweighs the other things in my life right now in terms of importance. Maybe someday I'll be able to, but that day isn't here yet...

I just wanted to chime in and say that this is the thread I had been secretly hoping to see for a very, very long time. Seems like if most people want to experience incontinence, the main suggestions are usually some sort of extreme or dangerous measure; surgery, botox, catheters, stents, or months of irreversable untraining. As someone who is interested in both incontinence and hypnosis, I often wondered over the years why more kink/erotic hypnotists didn't offer any type of service for ABDLs, or any way for them to safely experience their desires. They'd do nearly anything else it seems... bondage, slavery, loss of free will, financial domination, sissification, torture, public humiliation.... but diapers? Apparently, that's just going way too far! [/sarcasm] What I've always wanted was a way to experience incontinence temporarily, and after learning about what A Little Hypnosis can offer, I feel like I might've found what I was looking for for over a decade. What I'd like to experience the most is triggered incontinence via spoken keyword or phrase. I don't particularly need any help using my diapers when they're already on me, but there is always that mental block of "but you can still hold it" that keeps me from the complete experience, and if someone can help 'trick my brain', even temporarily, into allowing me to truly feel the way I've wanted to for 30+ years, it would be worth every penny to me. @A Little Hypnosis LLC... I absolutely plan to contact you in the future for sessions. As for the others who have contributed to this thread with your experiences ( @BrownBobby @tspotters, ect), I just wanted to say thank you. I'm not sure what I could ask you abour your experiences that you haven't already covered, but I appreciate you sharing it with me/us.

Purely hypothetical question, just for fun! Let's say it's the year 6000. Medical technology has advanced to the point to where a "continence transplant" is now possible, similar to a kidney or liver transplant, or any type of organ transplant. Don't ask the particulars on how it's all done, or why they can't use their technology to cure incontinence, this is a hypothetical future-science-magic scenario we're dealing with here. If there were ever some sort of global waiting-list of patients who were hoping to have their bladder control back, and you could give at least one of those people all their bladder control back by sacrificing your own, would you do it?

If this type of surgery would be available to someone only after meeting specific requirements, specifically the requirement of "having to wear and live as an incontinent person 24/7 for an entire year" before proceeding, then I think at that point, anyone attempting to undergo this surgery would likely already be facing incontinence problems long before the required year was over, and by that point, there would be no need for a surgery of any kind, so at that point... just save your money to buy extra cases of diapers, which you will be needing. I say this because I've had pretty good to excellent bladder control all my life, but I just recently posted a huge thread in the Bedwetters section of this forum where I described how I wore 24/7 for only ONE WEEK as if I was really incontinent, and within that time-frame, I was able to reach a point where I was bedwetting heavily and not noticing it at all while sleeping, and if I would've continued with my experiment beyond that one week trial-period, there is no doubt in my mind that I would've suffered permenant losses of bladder control, starting at night, and slowly progressing into daytime wetting, and maybe even losses of bowel control as well. Maybe it's just because I know my own body quite well, and I have become familiar with the muscle groups that are responsible for holding in my waste products and how they behave, and also how to relax them when needed... but I firmly believe that if anyone attempts to go an entire year; wearing diapers 24/7, living as if they were incontinent, releasing their waste products the moment they feel the need, practicing "reverse-kegels" and all that stuff... that they will absolutely face incontinence problems in one way or another, and experience a very real need for diapers at some point, long before the required year is over. So, if you have to go through all that trouble anyway just to get the proper surgery, then you're already going to be 99.9% of the way there by the time you actually qualify for it, so that should be PLEANTY of time for you to decide if this life-altering surgery is something you truly want or not. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. I'm not you. I have no idea what your life experience is like. The last point I will say about this topic, is that if there was a medical procedure that was invented where I could give someone else their continence back by sacrificing my own continence, I would do it in a heart-beat. Why should someone else suffer unnessecerily when this sort of thing is clearly something that I could handle much better, given my kink/interest? ....lots of strange thoughts on this topic tonight...

Update: (I'll try to keep it short this time, 'try' being the keyword...) So, after my last post, I chose not to wear diapers at all for the next 3 weeks, not during the day, or to bed. I have had no wetting accidents, either day or night, and have not attempted to reduce my fluid intake. All signs of "dribbling" or leakage when coughing or squatting went away completely. Bladder control was back to optimal. Then, a few days ago, the itch came back, and I had a day off from work, so I decided to wear again. I put on a diaper in the afternoon, used it throughout the day (NOT attempting reverse-kegels, or just 'letting go' this time), and when it got close to bed-time, I changed into a fresh diaper, put on my overnight diaper-cover briefs, and headed for bed. I DID wet in my diaper once before I went to sleep, but I took note of how wet it was and where it was wet before falling asleep... I woke up the next morning completely soaked, despite having no bedwetting accidents for the last 3-4 weeks. The sheets were dry, the diaper cover was dry, but the diaper itself was swollen well into the high part of it's backside. I had no doubt, once again, that I had wet in my sleep and didn't notice it at all, and this was after only a single afternoon of being diapered. The next day...: I had to work a long shift, so no diapers that day. Had no daytime or nighttime accidents, and no evidence of any loss of control. Nothing out of the ordinary at all, as if yesterday never happened. The next day... (which was actually yesterday): I was really getting curious as to what was happening with me and my body, so I decided to test a hypothesis that was bouncing around my brain: Was my overnight protection so good that it is actually causing me to have bedwetting accidents? So, I decided not to wear diapers for the whole day, only putting on my diaper and protective briefs right before bed. I changed nothing about my usual fluid intake. I know for certian that my diaper was completely dry when I went to sleep. I woke up today, and I was a water balloon. Nothing was left of the wetness indicator. I totally let my bladder go completely in my sleep once again, and never even felt it. ---- At this point, I am wondering, if the presence of a diaper on my body, as well as my diaper-cover, are both physical touch sensations that are signaling to my brain that, "it's OK to let go when you sleep, because you're well protected anyway", so it just does? It also begs the question, "Can I actually train myself to be a bedwetter ONLY when wearing protection?", because it seems like that is what is happening with me right now. I don't know how else I can wet the bed one day, be totally OK the next, then wet the bed again the very next night, and the only common denominator between those nights that I do or don't is wether I was wearing protection or not. I will keep you updated on this as time goes on. This thread had now become one of the only places I can journal an experience like this, so please forgive me if the posts are long...