Are There Girls That Really Do Like Diapers Out There?

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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I must agree here. Where I have met a few transgender males and some

of them do look a lot like a woman but they still have the sexual

parts of a male. This in fact makes them a male no matter how they

feel or want to be. This is aside from the fact that the DNA says

that they are male, by still having the male sexual parts really

leaves you out to say that you are a woman.

I have to agree here too, that i have met few transgender males who

don't come close to looking like a real woman at all. They don't come

close to being called a Real girl. This is the fact that they have

the male sexual parts and the fact that their male no matter how they

feel or say. The fact that their DNA says their male despite them

saying that their female leaves them out of being called a real

woman. Also, no matter how they look and what they say, their still

their original gender DNA and excludes them from being called a real

woman.

So if were talking about real AB/DL women, were talking about real

natural, real genetic women. Not ones that are so called women such

as transgender males.

Now what p4mp3rs, posted about gender and intersex. Yes I am intersex

and i was born genetically as both male and female. I'm considered

being two steps above transgender because of the physical level and

genetic level. I am considered a real woman because i carry the DNA

of a real woman with a male Y Chromosome attached. If you did a DNA

test on me, it would show my karyotype to XXY

Like I said their are real women out their who are AB/DL. Were a

small minority because AB/DL is a male dominated fetish. Most Real

women do not consider transgender to be a real AB/DL girl as such,

their being excluded from being called AB/DL girls.

That being said, if you want to chat with me, feel free to hook up.

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[p4mp3rs]

Now what p4mp3rs, posted about gender and intersex. Yes I am intersex

and i was born genetically as both male and female. I'm considered

being two steps above transgender because of the physical level and

genetic level. I am considered a real woman because i carry the DNA

of a real woman with a male Y Chromosome attached. If you did a DNA

test on me, it would show my karyotype to XXY

If you actually have XXY syndrome/Klinefelter's syndrome, that means you were born with a penis and very likely raised as a male, which means that by your own definition you aren't a "Real girl."

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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If you actually have XXY syndrome/Klinefelter's syndrome, that means

you were born with a penis and very likely raised as a male, which

means that by your own definition you aren't a "Real girl."

The way i look at it, I'm a Real girl on a Genetic Level, and yes i

have a micro penis as well. So technically I'm a girl by DNA and a

male by physical looks. Which means to you,p4mp3rs your still a

transgender male. I was raised as both so i was treated like a girl

and a boy at the same time.

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[Guest dodgedart]

If you actually have XXY syndrome/Klinefelter's syndrome, that means you were born with a penis and very likely raised as a male, which means that by your own definition you aren't a "Real girl."

Years ago i was Friends with a girl who had both sets of parts.She was my Girl friends room mate and best friend. she looked 100% girl and lived as a girl. she did have a small penis that her parents said they would have had removed if it was not for religion. she was older now say 20-21 and wanted it removed so she could have a regular life with guys. she never dated ect. She would date and get as far as friends with guys and maybe kiss after they got past that stage she would brake it off.{the dateing not the penis LOL}

[Toddler Sissy]

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The way i look at it...

Oh, I see. When it concerns -you-, it's about the way you look at it. But when it concerns others, it's about the way you look at it as well, not how -they- look at it.

That's a nice little bit of self-centered hypocrisy, isn't it?

[crys_138]

What a so-called "real-girl" means to me... it's not reproductive organs, it's not anatomy, it's not chromosomes and it's not hormones. It's a sense of being. It IS the self. It is the person we see when we close our eyes so we can only see ourselves with our mind's eye.

It is the same sense of self that drives me to affirm myself, just as it is the same sense of self that drives you to deny me and those like myself.

Still, I will always see a girl when I gaze upon myself with my mind's eye, I will continue to reshape my defective shell in that image... and no one will tell me I am any less a girl for doing so... because in the end, the only opinion that matters concerning my pursuits and identity is my own.

[DollyDiaper]

What a so-called "real-girl" means to me... it's not reproductive organs, it's not anatomy, it's not chromosomes and it's not hormones. It's a sense of being. It IS the self. It is the person we see when we close our eyes so we can only see ourselves with our mind's eye.

It is the same sense of self that drives me to affirm myself, just as it is the same sense of self that drives you to deny me and those like myself.

Still, I will always see a girl when I gaze upon myself with my mind's eye, I will continue to reshape my defective shell in that image... and no one will tell me I am any less a girl for doing so... because in the end, the only opinion that matters concerning my pursuits and identity is my own.

What a succinct and superb post (IMO). Well said crys!

D lly

[crys_138]

Thanks, D lly. I figured something like that would be better than "Hey, b****, my boobs are as real as yours!" or another of the old standbys.

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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The only real girls are the ones that are genetically,

physiologically, biologically real. They have real sexual parts, real

sexual reproductive organs, Real DNA and a real all natural body. Not

some made up body or some guy who acts or pretends to be a girl.

Frankly, transgender males are not fully complete females at all.

Their less than a girl because what's holding them back is their

original male DNA which they seem to forget or want to hide from.

See, Real women would not accept a t girl because a T girl is not

considered a real girl because no T girl has not gone through the

experience of a Real Natural girl. Still IMO T girls are not real

girls at all. They can not be called real girls because they lack a

couple of things, the DNA that says they are girls, the reproductive

organs of a girl and the chemical and biological make up of a girl.

The wouldn't be able to pass of as a real girl because of the DNA

testing today.

See, we live in a CSI era and DNA era. I frankly gona say that within

20 years, physical gender won't mean crap anymore. What's between the

legs won't mean nothing because in the past, people can lie about

what's between the legs, but can transgender lie what's in their DNA.

DNA has become the new fingerprint technology and DNA technology is

being used everywhere. So in the past, people such as transgender

were able to say what's between the legs, but now with DNA

technology, you can't say what you truly are without looking what

your DNA is.

A transgender can say all they want about being the opposite gender,

because when it comes to DNA testing to determine gender, their still

gona have their original gender DNA regardless of how they act, look,

feel and think.

So to say that a transgender girl is a real girl, that's totally

wrong and off base because they are not real girls and they can not

be called real girls because they hold their original gender DNA.

Like me, i almost came close to being cut up into a girl, but what

stopped it was two things, new ways of treating intersex kids and

adults like myself. Forced surgical reassignment surgeries fell out

of favor because of the developments in DNA diagnosing, treating and

letting patients in the future decide. Also my parents religion

wouldn't like the idea at all. For me, being born intersex, i can

easily explain away why i am born intersex

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[crys_138]

DNA won't matter, either. One doesn't have to have XX chromosomes to end up being considered legally female, so, that's kind of obsolete too.

Let's also figure this. Male and female may be biological in nature, with intersex blending the two, but the sad fact is, the concept of a "boy" or a "girl"... that's entirely a sociological construct. In the past, one was pigeonholed into one end of the construct or the other based on whichever shape of organs they possessed, but in our time, the 21st century, that's slowly dying. Sure, "girls" still end up being defined by pink, dresses and frills, but some aren't, and the same with "boys" being defined with blue, shorn hair and physical prowess. The very meaning of what it is to be a "girl" has changed. Used to be, we were resigned to our fate of being nothing more than incubators, household servants and sex toys. That's changed. Now we can be athletes, lawyers, police officers, soldiers... anything "boys" can do, WE can do! Now, the only thing a "boy" or a "girl" is is nothing more than a ROLE. And so people are crossing over, identifying as bits of both, or identifying as NEITHER! No longer just stuck in one role, we can cross over to the one that suits our sense of self, and be just as "real" in that role as someone BORN into it! I know men who were born female who are better men than those born male, and the same goes for women once born male. Anatomy is growing increasingly irrelevant in this day where the body's mysteries are being unlocked more and more often. The only thing those who cross possibly can't do is play the part in creating a child that they'd wish, and BELIEVE me, it hurts every day that I can't give birth like my sisters, but even some "real" girls (by your standard) are incapable of doing so as well, so it doesn't hurt so much.

Dragon, I'd figure your being intersex would have heightened your sympathies, but it's obvious you're just stuck in the grip of a dying ideal. Believe what you want, I don't care... but do NOT try to deny me what I've fought for years, and lost many people near and dear to me, to obtain.

The only one here with any right to say any transperson here is not a "real" girl (or a "real" boy for my FtM brothers), is NOT you, and not anyone else who would deny us... we're the only ones who can correctly define ourselves. I'm the only one who could deny myself, but I won't... and so help me $deity, no matter what you say... I am a REAL girl!

[Toddler Sissy]

Don't bother arguing with Dragon...by her own logic she's a man. She has a real penis and a real man's DNA as well. She can deny it all she likes, but that Y chromosome and penis aren't going anywhere, and even if she were to remove it, how is that different than a TG removing theirs?

She's a heartless hypocrite, pure and simple. I'm amazed someone who should be able to understand the confusion and pain a TG goes through could be this utterly unsympathetic.

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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Toddler Sissy, BITE ME. I couldn't care less about your's or anyones

views an opinions. They don't mean nothing to me.

It's obvious that you or any TG people do not know what it's like to

being intersex. You or any TG do not know what it's like to be forced

into surgery as a kid against your will. Being probed and studied by

every doctor known to man. Having your medical records hidden or

denied from you and having told countless lies as why you had to see

the doctors all the time.

Like i said again, I still regard Tg girls as not being called real

girls. TG girls are not girls at all. They are still male without a

penis. TG girls are not considered girls and can never be called or

assumed to be girls. No surgery or procedure in the world would make

the look act, feel or be considered a real girl.

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[paradox]

DNA won't matter, either. One doesn't have to have XX chromosomes to end up being considered legally female, so, that's kind of obsolete too.

Let's also figure this. Male and female may be biological in nature, with intersex blending the two, but the sad fact is, the concept of a "boy" or a "girl"... that's entirely a sociological construct. In the past, one was pigeonholed into one end of the construct or the other based on whichever shape of organs they possessed, but in our time, the 21st century, that's slowly dying. Sure, "girls" still end up being defined by pink, dresses and frills, but some aren't, and the same with "boys" being defined with blue, shorn hair and physical prowess. The very meaning of what it is to be a "girl" has changed. Used to be, we were resigned to our fate of being nothing more than incubators, household servants and sex toys. That's changed. Now we can be athletes, lawyers, police officers, soldiers... anything "boys" can do, WE can do! Now, the only thing a "boy" or a "girl" is is nothing more than a ROLE. And so people are crossing over, identifying as bits of both, or identifying as NEITHER! No longer just stuck in one role, we can cross over to the one that suits our sense of self, and be just as "real" in that role as someone BORN into it! I know men who were born female who are better men than those born male, and the same goes for women once born male. Anatomy is growing increasingly irrelevant in this day where the body's mysteries are being unlocked more and more often. The only thing those who cross possibly can't do is play the part in creating a child that they'd wish, and BELIEVE me, it hurts every day that I can't give birth like my sisters, but even some "real" girls (by your standard) are incapable of doing so as well, so it doesn't hurt so much.

You are giving society as a whole an incredible amount of credit. While yes transgender individuals have made great headway in being accepted into mass society. Society as a whole still rejects the idea of a transgender being equal to someone born of that sex. No one is saying the roles of males and females have not made large strides in equality. Yes males can do what females do and vice versa. There is no doubt in my mind that people can switch roles in gender socially. As to be accepted though as a true part of that gender is a complelty different matter all together. If it was so accepted and society thought transgenders are the same as a real guy or girl then there would not be nearly as much animosity from the masses towards them. Most of the masses will just be "yes your a transgender thats not, but your not really of that sex you just had a bunch of cosmetic surgery done. Does it suck? Of course it does for the transgender community. Will it change? With how science is going and how we use science to define the world around us, most likely not unless we can alter human DNA on a molecular level. Society is governed by religion and science mainly and unless religion and science learn to play nice or unlock the secrets of gender at a molecular level (such as discovering the chromosones is not what determines it but smother smaller that even governs the chromosones. Society will be rooted deeply in the belief that transgender males or females are not the same as the real deal. While women fought hard for equal rights it was still a hard up hill battle and they are sixty percent of the population. for transgender to get accepted as equals. Transgender population would have to sky rocket and advances in science would have to move forward. Look at homosexuals there are some medical circles beleive that there is a genetic pre disposition for it, yet just because a 2000 year old book says "thou shall not lay with a man as he lays with a women" have the known world condems it.

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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You are giving society as a whole an incredible amount of credit.

While yes transgender individuals have made great headway in being

accepted into mass society. Society as a whole still rejects the idea

of a transgender being equal to someone born of that sex. No one is

saying the roles of males and females have not made large strides in

equality. Yes males can do what females do and vice versa. There is

no doubt in my mind that people can switch roles in gender socially.

As to be accepted though as a true part of that gender is a complelty

different matter all together. If it was so accepted and society

thought transgenders are the same as a real guy or girl then there

would not be nearly as much animosity from the masses towards them.

Most of the masses will just be "yes your a transgender thats not,

but your not really of that sex you just had a bunch of cosmetic

surgery done. Does it suck? Of course it does for the transgender

community. Will it change? With how science is going and how we use

science to define the world around us, most likely not unless we can

alter human DNA on a molecular level. Society is governed by religion

and science mainly and unless religion and science learn to play nice

or unlock the secrets of gender at a molecular level (such as

discovering the chromosones is not what determines it but smother

smaller that even governs the chromosones. Society will be rooted

deeply in the belief that transgender males or females are not the

same as the real deal. While women fought hard for equal rights it

was still a hard up hill battle and they are sixty percent of the

population. for transgender to get accepted as equals. Transgender

population would have to sky rocket and advances in science would

have to move forward. Look at homosexuals there are some medical

circles beleive that there is a genetic pre disposition for it, yet

just because a 2000 year old book says "thou shall not lay with a man

as he lays with a women" have the known world condems it.

Aint that the Truth. Their's no way that modern mass society will

ever accept transgender as the same as male and females. In reality,

society will say okay your a transgender, but your not a full

complete male or full complete female. Society will look at

transgender not being their opposite gender at all and society as a

whole will regard transgender as someone with a mental illness

regardless of what a transgender says in society. Your not gona

change society's views on transgender unless some medical or

scientific advances that skyrocket the transgender community to the

level of male and female dogma.

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[Toddler Sissy]

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Toddler Sissy, BITE ME. I couldn't care less about your's or anyones

views an opinions. They don't mean nothing to me.

It's obvious that you or any TG people do not know what it's like to

being intersex. You or any TG do not know what it's like to be forced

into surgery as a kid against your will. Being probed and studied by

every doctor known to man. Having your medical records hidden or

denied from you and having told countless lies as why you had to see

the doctors all the time.

Like i said again, I still regard Tg girls as not being called real

girls. TG girls are not girls at all. They are still male without a

penis. TG girls are not considered girls and can never be called or

assumed to be girls. No surgery or procedure in the world would make

the look act, feel or be considered a real girl.

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It's obvious you don't care about anyone's opinions; your rude, narrow-minded posting history says that far more clearly than anything you could possibly post. For the record I don't give a damn what you've been through; you don't have any clue what anyone else on this forum has been through either! The fact that you have the unmitigated gall to come to a place where we are supposed to be welcoming of others and continuously make rude, insulting, or exclusionary comments that serve no other purpose but to make others feel unwanted and then demand respect and acceptance for your own points of view is sickening.

I'll tell you what: I'll start caring about your sob story when you start caring about other people's feelings, Dragon. Until then, you can take your piss-poor grammar and spelling and your lousy attitude and shove it. You're no better than any of the people that have made your own life difficult.

[diaperwearntigger]

Wow, how absurd is this? Your not a real girl, yes I am, no your not... give me a break. I have my own opinions and feelings on this subject, but I keep my mouth shut, because some way, some how, my words will be twisted and not seen as my own opinion and feelings, but rather words to be argued with.

Its sad to see people who do have some things in common have to find the one thing they don't and hash it out until it can't be done anymore. I love the name bashing and name calling, heartless hyprocrite for example....yet you get mad if someone calls you a name.... can't we all just grow up a little, realize that we all have our own opinons and definitions and let it go at that. Are we really getting anything accomplished by arguing, demeaning each other, and acting like REAL babies/toddlers/what have you and yes i know some of you are DLs or incont and don't feel like you fit into that category of an AB....some of us may dress the part, but that doesn't mean we have to ACT the part....

We should be able to act like adults even if we do wear diapers lol.... after all that is what we are....like i have stated before its sad to see that one simple question can turn into a flame war.....

Shouldn't we not see the person for their gender, but for the person that they are.. maybe thats why i don't ask people in the chatroom what their gender is, cause I don't really care, its the person that I get to know not what their DNA says or whats between their legs.... maybe you all should do the same

As my mother use to say.... what a person does with their life affect your life in anyway, and if it doesn't, then who cares what they do..... meaning this... if a TG identifies themselves as a REAL girl, and it doesnt affect your life and your being, then why should you care so much as to what they identify themselves as.

[Three Rivers]

You go girl!! Well said Tigger. Huggs

Three Rivers

[mogumbo]

It's kinda sad when people listen (or read as the case is here) to respond when they should be listening to understand.

Mo

[Necare]

He, he, I`ve been reading through this topic, and frankly, I`m quite amazed at the ignorant, illiterate replies from the so called "REAL GIRL", Diaperdragon. Wow, you really are stupid beyond all comprehension, aren`t you? You are actually born intersex, most likely you have had quite the rough childhood, never had the feeling of properly fitting in with other girls, yet you still have the gall to sit on your high horse and try to make TGs feel bad about themselves?!!!

You know, dear little Dragon, you could just as easily say that being born with female DNA really does not make you a proper female, as long as you still have to carry with you, that little appendage called a penis. I think that most real girls, that is, girls born without a penis, would not accept you as a part of their sisterhood. So I am thinking, what is the big difference between you and a TG? You are born with both female and male organs, but you consider yourself to be a girl, TGs are born with a penis, but all their life they have wanted to be a girl, they have never thought of themself as being a boy.

My point is that as long as you have a penis, you are in no position whatsoever to play the high and mighty and call yourself a "real girl", while at the same time deriding TGs for feeling like real girls, when, let us face it, the difference between you( to put it crudely ), is that you have that little appendage you would have liked to get rid off, while at the same time having a female organ, and a TG also have that little appendage that they would have liked to get rid off, but instead wanting the female organ.

Please, take a little course in the art of self-knowledge, until then, consider yourself to be viewed as a petty, narrowminded, hypocritical bigot. And to think that you were actually looking for sympathy for your predicament, while at the same time giving the people here most likely to identify with your particular situation, a hard time!!! How I would love the irony, when one day you come across a group of girls that you want to befriend, you eventually tell them about you being born intersex, and they tell you: "Eehh, sorry, but we really don`t consider you to be a real girl, find someone else to play with, won`t you?" Something tells me that an episode like this has to occur before you actuallly realize how amazingly ignorant you have been, but then again, maybe not. The wonders never cease.

[Guest Diaperdragon]

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See, what you all do not understand is that mass society as a whole

will okay u being a transgender, but they will say that you are not

even on the same level as a Real women and a Real man. Mass society

will consider a transgender less than a real man or a real woman. The

fact that you people do not understand that most of society on this

planet will condemn the transgender community impart because it goes

against the grain of society. Society as a whole will still regard

transgender as a mental illness no matter how you explain it. You can

explain all you want about being transgender, though society as a

whole will consider you less than a real girl or boy. This is why

society as a whole will tolerate gays, lesbians and bisexuals to a

curtain extent. When it comes to transgender, society will throw up

their hands and give up because it's too much to tolerate and their's

a limit to what society as a whole will tolerate.

That's why you would never see a transgender girl in Maxim, Stuff,

FHM or even the SI swimsuit edition. Tg girls couldn't pass off as

being real as the next real girl next to them. That's why transgender

girls don't look good in those magazines because why would a guy

would want to look at something that doesn't look like a real girl

anyway. Even in the Olympics, they gender DNA test people to weed out

those that maybe transgender or try to play in a womens sports to

gain an advantage.

My point here is that, a transgender is not even remotely considered

to be a real opposite gender. They don't even come close, no matter

how many surgeries they may have. No matter how they try to look, act

and feel the opposite gender, they will still be their original

gender DNA regardless of surgeries. As they say in court, DNA don't

lie at all. Those that are transgender here are not remotely

considered to be a real girl or boy. They are considered to be their

original gender DNA with cosmetic surgery and you have to call it

like you see it such as a transgender girl is still a guy without a

penis because he still has his male DNA regardless of how many

surgeries or how many hormones he may take and hormones can't change

DNA as well.

What i am actually trying to say is that when the original posting

ask if their are AB/DL women here, he didn't mean the ones that are

transgender. He meant the ones that are REAL 100% Natural women. Not

the ones that cross dress or are transgender because they don't count

as being a REAL 100% Natural woman.

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[Morv]

So I stopped reading when diaper moustache-W person posted (that's what I think that avatar looks like), and I just skipped ahead to assert my opinion.

There are no women (real, transgendered, intersexual, transexual, bisexual, bearded, ten-foot tall, alien, half imaginary, or otherwise) that actually wear diapers. They are all figments of my imagination.

I am very certain of this. I am as certain of this as I am of the fact that misbehaving computer equipment will behave better with a few scoops of ice cream. (Just spoon it on into the retractable coffee-cup holder on a computer and you'll see what I mean.)

On the other hand, I appreciate pictures of women in diapers (once again, any variety of woman is ok with me, though bearded women don't do it for me the same way that the ten-foot tall ones do).

I do not appreciate every thread diaperdragon is on turning into a diatribe about the legitimacy of claims to a word based on the qualifying materials of penis, testicles, vagina, and ovaries. If someone isn't allowed to claim a word based on these things, then I see no reason why more important things shouldn't be denied on the same basis... like voting! Or maybe claim to a word isn't a big fucking deal.

Diaperdragon, get the hell over yourself. Not much pisses me off, but you've scrawled your name on the short list, baby. You know what you call someone who can't stop talking about something, that always brings it up, that reads it into nearly everything they experience? Obsessed. You are obsessed. Go see a counselor and stop subjecting people here to your compulsions to lecture.

[Pwy ydy'r tad]

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See, what you all do not understand is that mass society as a whole

will okay u being a transgender, but they will say that you are not

even on the same level as a Real women and a Real man. Mass society

will consider a transgender less than a real man or a real woman. The

fact that you people do not understand that most of society on this

planet will condemn the transgender community impart because it goes

against the grain of society. Society as a whole will still regard

transgender as a mental illness no matter how you explain it. You can

explain all you want about being transgender, though society as a

whole will consider you less than a real girl or boy. This is why

society as a whole will tolerate gays, lesbians and bisexuals to a

curtain extent. When it comes to transgender, society will throw up

their hands and give up because it's too much to tolerate and their's

a limit to what society as a whole will tolerate.

Why do you keep going on about mass society? Yes, mass society is pretty closed minded on a lot of things, from people with gender issues to adults who like to wear diapers. But this place is not representative of mass society This is why we all come here, we're all looking for acceptance, somewhere to come and be ourselves. That is why online communities like this were started in the first place.

[BriGuy]

It will never cease to amaze me that people will find something to fight about and make another feel shunned when we are all here so we don't feel shunned..... Tis a sad thing indeed. What ever happened to "acceptance" and if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all????

~Brian

[paradox]

i agree with morv, then foot tall alien chicks are hawt!! He does have a point about all this. let sleeping dogs lie some people think one way, some another. its great to express ones own opinion, its just that though some are based on fact, some are based on more lofty abstract ideas. this isnt something someone can prove right or wrong, its not math thank god. but hey! look on the bright side we always manage to destroy the one thing we are looking for. we find a community where we can share these ideas openly with other like minded inviduals only to degrade it into a spiral of destruction and chaos! If there is one thing people are good at, its killing ourselves and destorying what we love.

[Pipsqueak]

We can always count on Morv to have a level-headed - albeit eccentric - take on the situation. I agree with what he has to say. And that's all I'll say on the topic since my earlier post in this thread was unceremoniously deleted without explaination even though it wasn't half as inflammatory as most posts that followed it.

And to the original poster (ON TOPIC), yes, there are Real Girls who wear diapers, although we're all figments of Morv's imagination, so you'll have to speak to him if you want to see us.