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Apparently its OK for teenagers to lie to get into "adult" forums

But if the admins know they are underage they get kicked/locked out

The majority of the underage on adisc will just make a new account

The better approach would have been to kick out the ones 20+, to keep it a teen only forum, like the way it started

But, the same rule apply here, anyone to old, will just make a new account and pretend to be younger..

Both ways are "wrong", but thats how it is with todays lame laws

Being a liar = good

Being honest = bad

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Apparently its OK for teenagers to lie to get into "adult" forums

But if the admins know they are underage they get kicked/locked out

The majority of the underage on adisc will just make a new account

The better approach would have been to kick out the ones 20+, to keep it a teen only forum, like the way it started

But, the same rule apply here, anyone to old, will just make a new account and pretend to be younger..

just as easy for pedophiles to lie about being UNDER 18 as it is for minors to lie about being OVER 18..... lies go both ways.... minors will lie to get into adult sites, adults will lie to get onto kid sites.....

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I personally think that our society in general needs to be more accepting of abdls and furries, whatever their age may be.  In people's attempt to avoid what they consider a weird fetish, they actually ended up causing a lot of other people undue hardship and basically a societal auto-immune reaction.  In an ideal world, abdls would be able to talk openly about their lifestyle without having to hide behind a screen and a clever username.  But for now, putting in a "teen section" of abdl sites for teens and only teens, as well as an "adult section" for adults and only adults might be the best way to go.  The user's age would determine which part of the site they would be able to use.

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50 minutes ago, Firefly 35 said:

I personally think that our society in general needs to be more accepting of abdls and furries, whatever their age may be.  In people's attempt to avoid what they consider a weird fetish, they actually ended up causing a lot of other people undue hardship and basically a societal auto-immune reaction.  In an ideal world, abdls would be able to talk openly about their lifestyle without having to hide behind a screen and a clever username.  But for now, putting in a "teen section" of abdl sites for teens and only teens, as well as an "adult section" for adults and only adults might be the best way to go.  The user's age would determine which part of the site they would be able to use.

1. You made a 5 year necrobump for this?

2. Tough shit. As long as people can lie about your age, these rules exist for a reason. 18+ is as much a defense from minors against predatory behavior as it is adults from having to fear that they are interacting with minors in a way that is not acceptable, not just by societal, but legal standards. The 18+ limit may make minors feel like they are unwelcome in our community, but that's because they are.

If you're under 18, take solace that there are people like you and wait until you're 18 to join sites like this. You will be welcomed with open arms once you're on our side of the age-limit fence, but not until then. Think of it this way - a few years' wait for decades of camaraderie and friendship.

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this site will never ever allow teenagers to come here.. this is an adults only site. PERIOD. END OF STORY.. NEXT TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!

:no-no-baby-smiley-emoticon:

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As I understand it, was it not part of ADISC's original mission to address the needs of abdl/incon teenagers?

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3 hours ago, Little Christine said:

As I understand it, was it not part of ADISC's original mission to address the needs of abdl/incon teenagers?

You should ask them.

4 hours ago, minachan16 said:

1. You made a 5 year necrobump for this?

2. Tough shit. As long as people can lie about your age, these rules exist for a reason. 18+ is as much a defense from minors against predatory behavior as it is adults from having to fear that they are interacting with minors in a way that is not acceptable, not just by societal, but legal standards. The 18+ limit may make minors feel like they are unwelcome in our community, but that's because they are.

If you're under 18, take solace that there are people like you and wait until you're 18 to join sites like this. You will be welcomed with open arms once you're on our side of the age-limit fence, but not until then. Think of it this way - a few years' wait for decades of camaraderie and friendship.

 

3 hours ago, Glennie said:

this site will never ever allow teenagers to come here.. this is an adults only site. PERIOD. END OF STORY.. NEXT TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!

:no-no-baby-smiley-emoticon:

Ok, ok.  Sorry for stepping on anyone's toes here.

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I believe pubescent or young teens need this resource more then ANYONE. Its so confusing when you are young. Sadly, our society is so freakin nuts over this magic age of 18 and pedophiles online that it makes it dangerous for anyone to host something like that. By the way, legal age is still 16 in some states, and for a good reason. Oh, and a study was conducted by 50 state attorney generals and search engine operators.....Guess what? They found kids are NOT meeting adults online for sex. SURPRISE!  Adults do meet Adult Cops online :wub: There are good LGBT sites for kids, but I doubt they get much into diapers. Could probably be done, but in today's hysteria it would have to be a carefully run separate site I think. Too bad.

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I have an idea!  Lets let all teens of any age, 13, 14 or whatever get in a car and drive!  They can drive to the local bar and drink beer and whisky too!  And if a fight breaks out, they can pull their guns and shoot people!  Then if they survive they can go rent a motel room and hire a hooker and have unprotected sex!  Of course, they can't be at it too late because they have to get up early to go to middle school the next morning.  DUH!  Yes, there are most likely many teens who are into diapers and/or baby play and most likely they can be confused about these feelings.  So?  I was a teen DL for years way before the internet and I got through it.  Being a DL is a fetish that usually has a sexual bases to it.  Letting anyone under the legal age of 18 in here violates the rules and is in fact involving underage kids, period.  Sure, they may have questions and feel confused about their sexual feelings for diapers, but they will just have to wait until they grow up like I did in order to join an adults only website.

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I am glad I lived in times where both teens and adults were posting on the same websites. There used to even be websites for teens. DPF had one and there were yahoo groups about it, and ADISC started out as a teen forum before changing its name to ADISC and switching websites. I remember Bravenet and Network54. I believe the abdlstoryforum index is the only place that still allows teens but that website is very slow due to low activity. Don't get me wrong, Dailydiapers has always been 18 plus and wetset too and I didn't go to those places because I only wanted the stories, I didn't want to see pictures of cocks and pussies and stuff and seeing posts about wetting and pooping their diapers. I wanted diaper stories and I remember I couldn't really access this place anyway and didn't think they have diaper stories here for me to read. 

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Not a good idea at all. The legal ramifications of adults interacting with minors on a fetish/sex board, even if the internt gods would let you, would ensnare any entity in a web that is so tangled and complex that we would lose the whole ABDL internet structure. Nobody of any intelligence or sanity would go near the sites that allow the interaction for fear of being caught up in it. It did not take long for DPF to go under once they started publishing letters from minors and allowing general interaction between adults and minors. They started to include minors but in a very restricted way, then the restrictions were loosened and it was not long before they were gone. DD also lost people when the tiger underwear and related things came up about a decade ago

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I thought DPF went down hill when Tommy started getting Alzheimer's so people were not getting their orders and then the website was dead until the domain expired. I heard Tommy died if I remember correctly. 

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Lots of times I read forum posts from members who are interested in bringing the AB/DL lifestyle into the forefront so the public will be more understanding and realize we are not a bunch of weird pedofile sex freaks who mess around with children.  We would do ourselves a WHOLE lot of good with the public by letting underage kids and teens in here!

NOT!

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49 minutes ago, rusty pins said:

Lots of times I read forum posts from members who are interested in bringing the AB/DL lifestyle into the forefront so the public will be more understanding and realize we are not a bunch of weird pedofile sex freaks who mess around with children.  We would do ourselves a WHOLE lot of good with the public by letting underage kids and teens in here!

NOT!

Like I was saying, it's a societal problem, not anything wrong with our community.

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The problem is that some people just dont GET what was meant by the anti-drunk driving ad "Your lifestyle is your business BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT ON THE ROAD, IT'S EVERYONE'S BUSINESS [has anyone ever heard of "puttin' your business in the street?]"

The public square is "vanilla" to accommodate as many people as possible without having fights over things. There will come a time when you want your privacy respcted: Then what? What goes around comes around. We have a term; "private lives". Some persons do not seem to get that, or how about TMI. I guess the only way such people learn is when the government starts prying into their business and sends some bureaucrat to deal with them, THEN  they feel violated. When I am "out in the street" I am as "vanilla" as the next person. Look at the thread about "outing"

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Having recently been in the state of wanting to join the site but not able to due to age, I figure I should offer my thoughts on the subject. I understand the legal issues completely. Rather, I don't agree with the laws, but I understand the site not wanting to get in legal trouble. That helps absolutely no one if we get shut down by the FBI. I don't think there should be laws against people interacting on a website because of an arbitrary number, especially since not everyone is interested in the fetish aspect (*Points at self*). We can't do anything about that though, unless we happen to have some really high ranking government officials on the site.

That all said, what isn't going to get us into legal trouble is having some sympathy for the people we aren't able to let onto the site on account of age. We might very well have some teenage lurkers, and this thread could very well be the difference between them becoming active members of the community at 18, and them deciding to close the site's tab forever.

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2 hours ago, Little Christine said:

The problem is that some people just dont GET what was meant by the anti-drunk driving ad "Your lifestyle is your business BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT ON THE ROAD, IT'S EVERYONE'S BUSINESS [has anyone ever heard of "puttin' your business in the street?]"

The public square is "vanilla" to accommodate as many people as possible without having fights over things. There will come a time when you want your privacy respcted: Then what? What goes around comes around. We have a term; "private lives". Some persons do not seem to get that, or how about TMI. I guess the only way such people learn is when the government starts prying into their business and sends some bureaucrat to deal with them, THEN  they feel violated. When I am "out in the street" I am as "vanilla" as the next person. Look at the thread about "outing"

Right, like how people can't have sex in public or masturbate or walk out wearing only sexy bras and panties. Also I do not want to see anyone making out, gay couple, straight, etc. That stays in private. 

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2 hours ago, TimeAgentTessa said:

Having recently been in the state of wanting to join the site but not able to due to age, I figure I should offer my thoughts on the subject. I understand the legal issues completely. Rather, I don't agree with the laws, but I understand the site not wanting to get in legal trouble. That helps absolutely no one if we get shut down by the FBI. I don't think there should be laws against people interacting on a website because of an arbitrary number, especially since not everyone is interested in the fetish aspect (*Points at self*). We can't do anything about that though, unless we happen to have some really high ranking government officials on the site.

That all said, what isn't going to get us into legal trouble is having some sympathy for the people we aren't able to let onto the site on account of age. We might very well have some teenage lurkers, and this thread could very well be the difference between them becoming active members of the community at 18, and them deciding to close the site's tab forever.

Nobody here would deny that teenagers are lurking nor would they completely lack sympathy for the teenagers that are looking for comfort while coming to grips with the idea that this is a part of their identity. Without doubt, there are several members here that lurked underage because there are no sites for teens to discuss and connect over fetishes. Our society is very protective of minors, and - in cases like this - for good reason. The fact of the matter is that most teenagers' brains have not finished fully developing, so they can be gullible and be manipulated much more easily than most adults, making it easier for them to be tricked or coerced into being abused.

18 is an arbitrary number, but it is the number that most world governments have decided is the age between "you don't know any better" and "you know better", because a line between the two does have to be drawn somewhere for a society to know what does and doesn't constitute a legal adult. As long as fetishes and kink have the strong potential to be geared towards sexual behavior (and they always will), that line will and should divide us from minors.

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When DPFfirst started contact with minors, it was very restricted to special adult members and nothing was published. But that wall was breached when theys tarted publishing letters from minors, albeit incognito, but still done, and the rest would follow

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3 hours ago, minachan16 said:

Nobody here would deny that teenagers are lurking nor would they completely lack sympathy for the teenagers that are looking for comfort while coming to grips with the idea that this is a part of their identity. Without doubt, there are several members here that lurked underage because there are no sites for teens to discuss and connect over fetishes. Our society is very protective of minors, and - in cases like this - for good reason. The fact of the matter is that most teenagers' brains have not finished fully developing, so they can be gullible and be manipulated much more easily than most adults, making it easier for them to be tricked or coerced into being abused.

18 is an arbitrary number, but it is the number that most world governments have decided is the age between "you don't know any better" and "you know better", because a line between the two does have to be drawn somewhere for a society to know what does and doesn't constitute a legal adult. As long as fetishes and kink have the strong potential to be geared towards sexual behavior (and they always will), that line will and should divide us from minors.

Technically, the brain is fully developed around 25. I feel like a better system would be if someone divided some sort of test to determine adulthood. It would be hard to get it perfect, but I think it would at least be an improvement over having an arbitrary number as the dividing line. 

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1 hour ago, TimeAgentTessa said:

Technically, the brain is fully developed around 25. I feel like a better system would be if someone divided some sort of test to determine adulthood. It would be hard to get it perfect, but I think it would at least be an improvement over having an arbitrary number as the dividing line. 

And for sites like this it might be good to have a test like "Is this type of post something you should report to a mod/admin: "Hi, I'm <Random person> living in <random location>.  I'm interested in <long list of fetishes>, but won't do anything dangerous or illegal.  Would you like to meet up sometime?"

Correct answer: Report at once!

How about this post: "Hi, and welcome <new member>.  Glad you could join the site!  <Answers question that the new member posted>

Correct answer: Probably not

 

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21 hours ago, TimeAgentTessa said:

Having recently been in the state of wanting to join the site but not able to due to age, I figure I should offer my thoughts on the subject. I understand the legal issues completely. Rather, I don't agree with the laws, but I understand the site not wanting to get in legal trouble. That helps absolutely no one if we get shut down by the FBI.

 

18 hours ago, Little Christine said:

When DPF first started contact with minors, it was very restricted to special adult members and nothing was published. But that wall was breached when they started publishing letters from minors, albeit incognito, but still done, and the rest would follow

When I joined DPF it was just a month or so after they were involved in an FBI investigation.  Seems one of their members (last name Salata) was involving himself and his diapers with underage boys and got arrested.  Apparently (although I don't remember for sure), the police found a lot of child porn and diaper stuff in the guy's apartment when he was arrested including DPF newsletters and correspondence.  Because he was a DPF member and had a profile and corresponded through DPF with other members, Tommy had to answer a lot of questions from FBI investigators and DPF came under their scope for a couple months before the FBI determined DPF was not at fault in the matter.  Apparently the FBI was concerned if DPF members this creep was corresponding with could also be involved with this guy and his pedo activities, even in correspondence.  It was pretty intense at the time, especially for the members who had corresponded with this pedofile as the FBI had to look at them all from what I was told by Tommy in a personal letter he sent me when I inquired into the matter.  After all, I was a brand new member and very concerned about it when I ordered a copy of the prior month's newsletter and read all about it.  This was in the later 1980's, well before the internet when not many people were aware of the AB/DL lifestyle and the only way to find others like us were through sex and fetish magazines.  I make it perfectly clear here that Tommy and DPF were in no way at fault!  This was one creep who joined as a member, like all the others.  It just turned out he was a child pedofile that no one knew about until it was too late, then Tommy did all he could to delete all memory of him from the membership.  Problem is, once something has been printed like the DPF newsletters, you can't just hit "delete" and wipe the info from your hard drive or the server like you can these days in the digital world.. 

When DPF went on-line in the 1990's, they had their own chat room, like Daily Diapers has here.  The problem was, they also had a Teen Chat Room as well.  I'm sure the idea was for teens and younger AB and DL's to get together, chat and talk about their feelings for diapers and AB play (it makes me upset even now just writing about it).   There was nothing to prevent anyone from creating a fake profile, saying he was only 15 and then entering the chat room to interact with these kids when in fact, the person could be an adult in his 40's.  When I started to read of people in the adult chat room talking about how they went to the teen chat with a fake profile, I quit right then and there!  It still disturbs me to this day but I believe this has to be mentioned so people can understand what has happened in the past and what could still happen if sites like this start to cater to people under the age of 18.  Yes, I know there are lurkers here who are most likely under age and not a lot anyone can do about them, but the main difference is Daily Diapers is not inviting them to join!  The rules state you have to be 18 or older and that's the difference between a lurker or allowing a person of legal age to become a member.

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As I understand they had methods of segregating the teenages and did allow only certain adults to have contact as counsellors and mentors. They could have easily detected fake accounts by IPS address. As I said, it started to break down form me when they first published in the Newsletter, a letter from a teen anonymously, which they did again a few times, which I regarded as a breach of non-contact protocols and an indication that they were not long for this world. It seems that at some time, Tommy lost control of DPF and the new controllers were changing policy and may have been pedo themselves from stories I have heard here, having arrived in 2010

Don't get involved with under-age: JUST DON'T!!!

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Now I am not a sharpest knife in the draw at all, but there is no test on this earth that can effectively determine somebody else's adulthood because there are ways around every question and just about everybody lies on the Internet, and all it takes is one parent to file a lawsuit and this site could get shut down and multiple people investigated.   If you deviate from the more concentrate answer  of 18 and you just rely on the court of public opinion for what a person should have in order to be considered an adult then you will have a varity of different answers and the word "adult" will just lose all meaning.

 

At the end of the day talking to a minor about a kink that is mostly sexual in nature is just playing with fire.   So just don't do it.

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Well, if you already have an account at a place, your IPS address is on file or can begotten easily. If you didn't have an account and knew DPF was entertaining minors, then you would have had to find out somehow, Again, from an IPS address, you general location can be found, so all DPF whould have to do is see who were subscribers to the Newsletter in that area

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