Bringing Infantilism To The Public In A New Way

[Guest dllightning]

UPDATE - For those wanting to place feedback, we have the forums up and running. The forums are for discussion of the project only. There is a thread where you can introduce yourself and the details about you to better help us build the site.

go to: www.projectemergence.freeforums.org

pass to get in is blackhawk09~

UPDATE - After reading some posts, I am going to abandon this project... NOT! (edit - I was a little emotional on this earlier, let me tone it down.)

UPDATE - A huge THANKS to everyone pledging support of this project. There are a couple of us really willing to help bear this task. (A thought back to the Lord of the Rings). The forums to collaborate on this task are up and being organized in the next couple of days. Please stay tuned for updates. I am code naming this undertaking Project: Emergence.

Heya All, thanks for the view- I will make this a brief read.

In recent activity mainly with CBD and adriansurely, and a couple other people on the net. I believe it is time to really, and I mean really take our community to the next level and work at getting infantilism mainstream in a good light. Lots of ideas are floating around out there, I know. I am willing to help create a site, THE SITE, that will be our community's face to the general public. This won't be an easy task, but it can be done.

If you want to be an active part in a sub section of our community wanting to get the public aware of infantilism in good means, then PM your email address and I will add you to our list. Looking to get either a sub forum up in here that is password protected or I will start one on another server.

I am about done with stigma. It's time we actually did something vastly effective for our community.

Also, if you want. Post here and let everyone know you are on board after PMing me your email.

[beachxbunni123]

I think that people need to understand that there's nothing wrong with wearing diapers for fun, it's no different than fluffy underwear. Dressing up as an adult baby or diaper is no different than someone who wants to dress up as a french maid, nurse, cat etc during sexual play.

[Artemis-Echo]

What's CBD?

[PalmTropyx]

In understanding acceptance we must first acknowledge two true facts of its pursuit. Fact one: while the outward intentions are examples of tolerance and compassion, the inward motivation is selfishness. Fact two: If not exercised with a certain level of social finess / diplomacy, the motivation can supercede the message and its methods of achievement.

Distrust can spawn from many events. As most people fear what they do not understand, too heavily a yearning and vieing for acceptance will only cast shadows blinding people from the intent exposing doubts and critisism of the unknown motivations and values.

Perception is reality to most people. It takes a special someone to see past the layers of shallow understandings misunderstood by sustained social comforts. Most cannot penetrate these layers and accept what appears real. Can you see beyond the norm and be your own person, or are your comfort zones and preconceptions holding you to your happy place? This is the question often answered to a position not in favour with drastic approaches, and, truthfully, I can appreciate this social tendancy. I know if an obnoxious, overly decorated clown jumped out unexpectantly in front of me, I would need a change, and I would probably hit him. (Scary...)

I am all for helping you in your plight to help bring a more favourable light of acceptance upon our community but will not be tearing down the doors of the homes of those I wish to positively influence.

You can put me on your list.

Sincerely,

Palm Tropyx!

[BriGuy]

I have experience with bringing this to the public with Heidilynn and Tami. We are out and about in our gear often. We are welcomed with many questions and enjoyment. I don't know how much more someone can do but go out and be themselves. I don't think a website will bring any more awareness than DD does, the best way to bring about knowledge is from the mouth of the people involved. Get out, and be proud is what I say. Like anything there will always be those naysayers and negative creeps but they are only insecure with themselves.

~Brian

[curiositykilledthecat]

No matter what you say, people will always object. This is a fetish, you either like it or you don't. Same for BDSM, ballonism, water sports and all that. If you need a pat on your shoulder then you have not accepted who you are. Do that ad the rest will fall into place.

[Elfy]

I don't see why the public should know what we are into...

I wouldn't go out and tell people I was into bondage for example.

This is for many, primarily a sexual fetish and there is no need to force it on the public.

[superdiaperbaby]

Good Luck with all that. I think we as a community are so different from each other it is hard to quantify what makes us a community. The only thing might be just 2 words "into diapers". I would start with just that. Make a site that educates people about others who like diapers. If you do get specific you will have to include all facets of every detail so as not to exclude a representation. For instance, TB/AB/DL and the various degrees of sexuality and sensuality. I think it would have to be informative drill downs that people who want to learn more about a facet can drill down and learn. Maybe a wiki style site.

I agree with what people are saying. Acceptance by ourselves should be first on the list before we expect anyone else to accept us. There are many people on many different points in this journey of liking diapers. That is why there are many different sites out there. There used to be some ones that are like what you describe. As a website designer ask yourself these questions:

1. Who is my target audience?

2. What message do I want to bring?

3. What demographic would find the site? Medical Professionals? Parents? Friends? The general public?

5. Is this an activist group that petitions places? What service makes this site stand out?

6. Does this provide education of facts or psychological opinions that can be disputed or both?

and the big ones:

1. How much time and money will this take?

2. Can I make enough money to sustain and maintain the site?

3. How will I drive people to the site?

When one looks at all the factors that go into keeping and maintaining a professional website, the topic of interest has to be something you are passionate about, something where you are willing to sacrifice time and money to get going. That is why many people start sites and never finish them. In the end they find that it is not worth the trouble to update it and then you have a site that dies over time. Think about it.

SDB

[MusicBABY180]

I say do what you want to do. If you want to go with it, more power to you. I, on the other hand, am concentrating on other things right (just started school), so I can't really be a big part or even a small part. Beside, the pubic doesn't need to know. I don't expect someone to come up to me and proudly say they are into whatever. I don't want them to. I perfer to stay out of other people's business. I guess that just me, though.

[Topguy]

The first thing you are going to need to knock down is people thinking you want to molest thier kids.

[BBB]

what market are you going to hit? I mean, without some large scale advertisement, its going to be a site that people come across when they google "Diaper Fetish"

[Bettypooh]

I am about done with stigma. It's time we actually did something vastly effective for our community.

Like they say, it all begins at home. So I presume that you've now settled the issues with the wife, family, and church? If not your mileage may vary in a way you don't want I wish you luck regardless, and when I decide to come out I'll jump in the deep end with you and the others as usual I'm known for not doing things halfway, it's all or nothing for me

Bettypooh

[Saschadzg]

I don't think a website will bring any more awareness than DD does, the best way to bring about knowledge is from the mouth of the people involved. Get out, and be proud is what I say.

Hello Brian,

I always confess in other self help group fora, that I am a little girl, as many other have the same background, but keept it secret. Everybody there knows, that I am an upgraded sissy, now living as babygirl, physically and legally a grown up woman.

Babygirl Kvetinka

PS: I aknowledge, that many still depend on their therapists for indications or referral letters, but that does not hinder you, to come out after transition.

[curiositykilledthecat]

What happens in vegas, stays in vegas should apply to fetishes as well.

[CBD]

Good Luck with all that. I think we as a community are so different from each other it is hard to quantify what makes us a community. The only thing might be just 2 words "into diapers". I would start with just that. Make a site that educates people about others who like diapers. If you do get specific you will have to include all facets of every detail so as not to exclude a representation. For instance, TB/AB/DL and the various degrees of sexuality and sensuality. I think it would have to be informative drill downs that people who want to learn more about a facet can drill down and learn. Maybe a wiki style site.

I agree with what people are saying. Acceptance by ourselves should be first on the list before we expect anyone else to accept us. There are many people on many different points in this journey of liking diapers. That is why there are many different sites out there. There used to be some ones that are like what you describe. As a website designer ask yourself these questions:

1. Who is my target audience?

2. What message do I want to bring?

3. What demographic would find the site? Medical Professionals? Parents? Friends? The general public?

5. Is this an activist group that petitions places? What service makes this site stand out?

6. Does this provide education of facts or psychological opinions that can be disputed or both?

and the big ones:

1. How much time and money will this take?

2. Can I make enough money to sustain and maintain the site?

3. How will I drive people to the site?

When one looks at all the factors that go into keeping and maintaining a professional website, the topic of interest has to be something you are passionate about, something where you are willing to sacrifice time and money to get going. That is why many people start sites and never finish them. In the end they find that it is not worth the trouble to update it and then you have a site that dies over time. Think about it.

SDB

SDB has nailed it. Two of his most crucial points were the first and second number 3s. One thing you'll want to take into consideration is always being mindful that you're not making a site for the ABs, DLs, TBs, LGs, LBs or sissies. You're making a site for the general public. Finding points of entry for that public is going to be one of the most important challenges in establishing this thing. Advertising on the right websites will be key.

[underwhere]

Something else you'll want to pay particular attention to is the tone and style of communication the web site is constructed in. I wrote my personal website to be read as an extremely informal conversational introduction to one aspect of me because I wanted it to be an approachable topic for anybody who might stumble upon it. If I'd written it in a formal style of writing, my target audience would have been very different, probably more towards the researchers and professionals with an interest in my cognitive condition. I've written pieces like that too, but as of this moment, those are not on my web site.

Both styles of writing have a place. My point is to make sure you choose the appropriate style for your message and target audience. I'd love to be able to contribute, but I'm honestly not sure what I can contribute to such a project.

[shoelessjoe]

First of all I don't think many people in the general public think about us at all. I think if the average person was confronted with the existence of adults choosing to wear diapers for fun they'd probably think it was weird, and disgusting if you pee or poop in them. Is a website going to change that? No. What are you gonna do have profiles of AB/DLs like:

Meet Tom, by day he's a ordinary guy that works in a bank and likes sports, but at night he puts on diapers and looks at porn while he pees his pants. See were just like the rest of you.

They're right we are weird. If you want to do some good in the world make a site that helps us accept the fact that we are unusual and not be ashamed.

[DailyDi]

At this time I'm more interested in helping diaper lovers find out they are not alone than worrying about what others think. Been tossing around the idea of making a company-neutral site (meaning not a front page to sell products, memberships, etc.) linking to all the major community and info sites, then taking out ads in the alternative newspapers and other fetish mags to help those interested find us all.

[Bettypooh]

At this time I'm more interested in helping diaper lovers find out they are not alone than worrying about what others think. Been tossing around the idea of making a company-neutral site (meaning not a front page to sell products, memberships, etc.) linking to all the major community and info sites, then taking out ads in the alternative newspapers and other fetish mags to help those interested find us all.

Good ideas but I doubt that they would help much. Today everyone Googles and finds whatever they want from there(that's how I found this site) A 'neutral' kind of site might be helpful but in all likelyhood anyone searching the words or terms that would bring them to the new site would bring them to a hundred other established ABDL and fetish pages and sites first so I really doubt that very many people would dig past those to find you

Go for it if you like, it can't hurt- just don't expect much return for your efforts. That's my $.02 worth!

Bettypooh

[Diapers4Me]

I have to agree....we are not going to change the general public's opinion of us no matter what we do! We are freaks. I'm happy being a freak. I understand the desire to be accepted as we are, but it simply isn't going to happen. Wandering around dressed like a baby will only result in strange looks and laughter, it isn't going to change anyone's opinion that we are freaks....they might get used to seeing us, but they will ALWAYS look at an adult in a diaper and think "what a looney". Heck...stand in front of a full length mirror and try and look at yourself objectively....its pretty eye opening if you are able to do so....we are nuts!

But man we do enjoy ourselves! So who cares what others think. I think we are better off keeping to ourselves and not forcing our fetish upon others....especially in public. I know I wouldn't want to have to explain an adult in a diaper to my 4 year old....so please don't make me.....it is your private fetish....no need to share with the world.

My 2 cents....

[Yvhuce]

I have to agree... I don't need attention called to the fact that I wear diapers... I get picked on and harassed enough (for being short, Native American, reclusive, still a virgin, or just not fitting in with the townfolk, mostly) without that fact being made public... That would do nothing more than compound my problems...

But for those who wish to go public with their own info, I can only offer moral support and some well wishing. I neither have money to spare, nor the proper skills for webpage work. So, good luck.

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

I'm going to have to agree with most people here. I don't support "taking this lifestyle to the next level."

I don't want mainstream acceptance. I know a big part of me enjoys this lifestyle because it is not accepted. If wearing a diaper under my clothes became a non-issue in the general public's eye, it would take away from the reaction I get and enjoy.

Now, what I do support is pushing for legislation that ensures we have the same rights as anyone else. I currently don't see our rights violated in many ways. I can think of a few related to obscenity laws, but otherwise not many. Therefore, I don't see the point of groundswell activism.

Also, I don't think you can intentionally create a website that will be the public's access to our community. The public will pursue whatever information it chooses and websites that do take center stage do so organically, never intentionally.

Take for example google. It didn't intend to become the worlds most used search engine. They just set out to provide a good product. They did and the world made them the center of attention.

[ntrader1121]

I'm going to have to agree with most people here. I don't support "taking this lifestyle to the next level."

I don't want mainstream acceptance. I know a big part of me enjoys this lifestyle because it is not accepted. If wearing a diaper under my clothes became a non-issue in the general public's eye, it would take away from the reaction I get and enjoy.

Now, what I do support is pushing for legislation that ensures we have the same rights as anyone else. I currently don't see our rights violated in many ways. I can think of a few related to obscenity laws, but otherwise not many. Therefore, I don't see the point of groundswell activism.

Also, I don't think you can intentionally create a website that will be the public's access to our community. The public will pursue whatever information it chooses and websites that do take center stage do so organically, never intentionally.

Take for example google. It didn't intend to become the worlds most used search engine. They just set out to provide a good product. They did and the world made them the center of attention.

I agree with everything you said, well done

Nicole

[Guest dllightning]

The intent is to make "diaper wearing" mainstream. Putting a big bash in the stigma of wearing them.

the secondary intent is a thoughtful, tasteful introduction to infantilism

[sarah_ab]

i guess the question is do you really honestly completely 100% believe that you will ever get rid of the 'stigma' of an grown adult man or woman who chooses to wear diapers for something other than a medical need?

Sure you will find people here and there who accept it, and some people who decide to join in, but the majority of people aren't going to agree with or accept an adult who chooses to wear and use diapers.

If you want a particular person in your life to know about diapers, then tell them, but what is informing 'the whole' world really going to accomplish?

I am quite serious, what do you hope to accomplish by opening up the publics eyes to the idea that men and women get off on urinating and defecating in a diaper?

If you want to educate people that not everyone wears diapers for sexual reasons, then you need to be very very very specific in the information you present, and you need to make it clear that the opinoins and information expressed are yours alone,

but the way i see it, informing the whole world is not going to make people want to participate in this with you. Informing the whole world is not going to make self acceptance any easier.

Informing the whole world IS going to bring down riddicule, shame, embarassment to your friends and family.

Instead of spending so much time on 'public' awareness, why not just use that time to tell the people that you really feel need to know.

Many people here have children, how lovely it will be when their kids come home from school having been told by their friend to check out a certain website, there father is on that site talking about him liking to wear diapers.

remember, kids have the internet too.

if you really have the time and money to set this website up.. i wish you well... and hope you find whatever it is you are searching for in doing so.