Do You Want Character Age Limits In Diaper Stories?

[Baby Johnny]

I'm voting for no age limits, but content must be legal so minors must be within 3 years of each other or over 16 in my state.

[diaperwearntigger]

The other day, I was reading a story posted on Diaperspace. It was about a 7 year old boy still in diapers due to his disability. Although, I know this could be true, as in, there are still kids in diapers due to disabilities, I do not personally care to read about them, nor should people write about them. And in this particular story the woman, his adopted mother, was changing him and commented on how big his penis was, and how erect it was and that he must be excited. Then his adopted brother came along and explained cumming to him etc. I felt this was very in appropriate.

I personally believe there should be an age limit on such stories. I enjoy writing, but all of my stories are based on someone in over the age of 20. I'm not saying they have to be over 20, but definitely 18 plus. Considering this is a website for ages 18plus the stories should be of legal age. This is the reason why... When someone who may be new to the scene stumbles upon a story and sees a story about young children in diapers, they will think, and I personally do as well... Pedophile....it screams it, even if you may NOT mean it to, it does. I do not understand what joy one gets about writing about under aged kids in diapers. If you do, then I do think you are a pedophile and will not have anything to do with your stories.

The ABDL community gets so much crap as it is, with adults wanting to wear diapers and some wanting to act like babies, that we do NOT need more attention by people writing about stories of underaged kids in diapers and getting diaper changes by ...who else... adults. I think its inappropriate and a very stupid move.

A lot of people already view us as pedophiles because we like to wear and use diapers and act like babies, why should we give them any more proof ...in their eyes....that we are really pedophiles.

And anyone who reads stories about younger aged kids in diapers are no better than that person who wrote it. I'm a teacher, and the thought of someone writing a story about one of my students in diapers just freak me out. It should not be allowed.

That is my opinion, take it or leave it, but I will not support someone who writes these kinds of stories, nor do I want any kind of association with them. Dig your own grave, but don't expect myself and others to follow along with you.

[Three Rivers]

I'm with you Tigger, 18+ works for me as well.

[sarah_ab]

as this website is run out the usa, the legal age limit is 18... also, as this is a website that requires the person's entering it to supposedly be over the age of 18, and it is still a struggle for people to understand this fetish/lifestyle has nothing to do with actual children, by writinga story, sexual or not, with characters under the age of 18 in it, and posting it on this or ANY OTHER ab/dl related website you are inadvertantly helping to perpetuate this stereotype.

[crys_138]

Honestly, it depends on the story. There's one I read here in the past involving a high-schooler that I didn't find too over the top... then again, it wasn't sexual, more of a teenage prank type thing that involved humiliating someone (in a non-sexual manner) by putting them in diapers. That's the rare exception, though... toss anything sexual into the equation, and the characters depicted had better be adult.

[leafy kille]

i think age limits on stories is a daft idea, granted underage persons performing sexual acts may perpetuate the steryotype of ab/dl's being pedofiles. however there are regular porn stories that involve kids as well and just because you write about something (or read about it) it does not mean that you have any intension of actualy performing the acts mentioned.

i find this to be somewhat parralelled with the outcry about kids playing violent video games causing violence.... it is utter nonsense humans are naturaly violent and it is a good way to commit acts of violence without actualy damageing anything real. the same applies hear, all (or at least most) ab/dl's empathise with or want to be of a younger age than they currently are so what is wrong with doing this in a fictional environment of a story where no real people are involved?

when it comes down to it you choose what stories you read and write so if you dont like it dont read it!

[Baby Johnny]

All my stories are fantasies I've lived with for decades. I am the young boy who Mommy finds him in diapers or dresses, etc. I am the girl caught with pee running down her legs. In "Sisters Gone Bad", I've lived that fantasy since I was 11 imagining I'm Tim. I had to write it and figured I would share it. I've been all of the characters in the story, including the Moms. I know John and Wendy get married, she stays in diapers for life, and he loves taking care of her. Wendy and Jeff's Mom is the Mom I never had and wished for my entire life. Tina and John's Mom is my real Mom. Sandy and Tim's Mom is my best friend's Mom. Being Wendy is my most common fantasy, followed by Jeff.

[Pull-ups man]

no, why should they have??? I really like stories where a character is less than 18... for instance the story about Amy by Pink_nappies, thats my favourite than again, I agree with many of you guys that when there is something sexual going on it should be aver 18 (or at least 16)

[Dr_J]

Okay, so here's my view on this matter.

Do movies show minors engaging in sexual acts? I mean, they may hint at the face that two minors did something, but they never (and I mean never!) go into great detail about what exactly went on. Writing shouldn't be any different if you're going to share it with other people.

I must say, that me being a writer, the story I read that led to this poll startled me quite a bit. It was too disturbing and graphic for me to even continue reading.

No, I'm not a prude...I just don't want to read about minors engaging in this kind of behavior. Now, understand that I am a member on other forums where yes, they are writing stories similar to this one, but I know that's bound to happen because one of the forums I'm on has writers of both the adolescent and adult age. However, even those stories do not contain such a graphic depiction of this volume.

It's these kinds of stories that make the public view us as pedophiles. And yes, there are exceptions. IF a story involving minors doesn't depict any kind of sexual content, I can see that as being somewhat acceptable.

I'm not discouraging any writers from doing what they want...I just don't want minor-esque material placed on a forum/site that's strictly Adults Only. Furthermore, if everyone here does decide to not have character age limits in diaper stories, and I begin seeing more stories of this magnitude, just know that I will not have any part of it. I will remove my story and my membership.

I don't want you to think that I'm threatening anybody, either. I am merely a firm believer that the line has been crossed.

[Pwy ydy'r tad]

This is a difficult situation. Stories dealing with acts against the law do not automatically make the author a criminal, but when it comes to minors things become a lot more delicate.

Even the 'non sexual act' argument becomes difficult. Many people come here because diapers are a fetish and a fetish is defined as a reliance on an object to obtain sexual gratification. Therefore any story involving a diapered character can be viewed as sexual. And if the character is question is a minor there is potential for serious problems.

I think in this day and age of paranoia we all need to tread lightly. For that reason I support a minimum age limit of 18. What I'm really saying is don't give them anything to use against you.

[underwhere]

Apparently, in today's day and age, it is impossible for many people to separate fantasy from reality. Just to review, fantasy means, "It's not real. It didn't happen. No person was harmed in the creation of this material." Reality means, "It really happened. Somebody may or may not have been harmed."

This is further complicated by a variety of factors. In trauma support groups, for example, people are often encouraged to share their experiences, both in words and in writing. Doing so, it is believed, can help people get a better handle on both their past and their future. Some people are evil, and what they do to others is evil, but the survivors are just that, survivors. Why should we, as a society/culture/community relegate those most painful experiences to locations where they should not be seen or heard? As violent and brutal as they may have been, those experiences still happened, and I beleive somebody should have a voice to express those experiences in whatever way they feel a need to do so.

Now, imagine a piece of fiction based upon the premise of a survivor of abuse. Imagine also that the coping strategies such a person might choose to employ, or which others might help them employ, may seem sexual in nature. We're not talking about role-playing here, but I imagine some here would hold the same beliefs, so I'll give an example: the role-play scenario I am currently engaging in with doorset consists, largely, of teens (high school age) and young adults who are either incontinent or are using diapers as a voluntary therapeutic way to try to process past experiences of abuse, some of those past experiences having been sexual abuse. Teenagers are, by their nature, sexual beings, so it is not unreasonable to expect some exploration there, perhaps even graphic explorations. (I reckon very few people on this board did not experiment sexually as a teenager to some degree or another.)

Also, because of the very nature of "adult baby" play, the line can be incredibly blurred between what is okay and what crosses a particular line. Can an adult act like a two year old and still be treated with "adult desires"? I think the answer, as witnessed all over this board, is clearly yes. Can a teenager have similar thoughts and desires? Again, I think the answer is clearly yes. How about those younger than teens?

A child "discovers" masturbation, and that it "feels good" when they engage in it. This is not fantasy. It happens all over the place.

A person fantasizes about going on a shooting spree, for example, an all-too-real problem brought to life several times the past few years, but THIS hypothetical person doesn't engage in such an act. This happens, in real life, every day everywhere. Fantasy is often a mirror of life, but sometimes, thank goodness, it is just fantasy. Best I can tell, fantasy doesn't directly harm anybody. It's when actions are taken to make fantasies realities that you have real problems. Is an author, writing about a serial murderer, responsible for a copy-cat criminal? It's happened before, and I think the answer is clearly no. Why should this be any different?

[PampersPete]

I think the people who are against minors in stories are reading too much into it. I'll elaborate further when I have the chance.

[BabyJune]

Actually, my latest AB/DL novel, Crib Notes, is the story of an adult telling the story of his childhood and growing up with an interest in diapers. Let's face it, you can't tell a diaper story without bringing up images of babies and toddlers. After all, that is the origin of diapers.

I see nothing wrong with telling a good story with or about children as long as it isn't pornographic or abusive to children. For a lot of us, our desire to return to diapers and/or childhood started way before we knew anything about sex.

When you put limits on characters, you stifle creativity. I'm sure that if we all use tact and good sense when writing, everyone will enjoy our stories. I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone who reade my books.

Baby June - October 18, 2008

[sarah_ab]

heres my thing, maybe i didn't explain it well enough. Theres nothing wrong with writing whatever you want, with whatever age characters you have.. I feel the problem comes in when you post it on a website that explicitly states and actively enforces an over 18 policy. THe majority of websites that are or over 18 are so because they contain sexually explicit material, such as this website.

WHen you post something, it is forever, and the more stories that are posted the more chance for the fbi and local law enforcement agencies to begin to take notice and start "investigating" this website.

Personally i dont want that, and i certainly dont want DD or any of the other members here subjected to any public humiliation because a few people couldn't keep from posting a story involving minors on a sexually based website.

Write whatever stories you want, and offer to email them to people who want to read them, but when you post a story involving minors on a sexually based website you are increasing the risk to ALL of us.

[belinda_sue_fox]

NO one over 80 is what i say!!!!

[PampersPete]

heres my thing, maybe i didn't explain it well enough. Theres nothing wrong with writing whatever you want, with whatever age characters you have.. I feel the problem comes in when you post it on a website that explicitly states and actively enforces an over 18 policy. THe majority of websites that are or over 18 are so because they contain sexually explicit material, such as this website.

WHen you post something, it is forever, and the more stories that are posted the more chance for the fbi and local law enforcement agencies to begin to take notice and start "investigating" this website.

Personally i dont want that, and i certainly dont want DD or any of the other members here subjected to any public humiliation because a few people couldn't keep from posting a story involving minors on a sexually based website.

Write whatever stories you want, and offer to email them to people who want to read them, but when you post a story involving minors on a sexually based website you are increasing the risk to ALL of us.

I normally agree with what you post Sarah but it's kind of rediculous to think ANYONE(other than the webmaster) can shut this site down due to a story. I don't know much about the law but I'm fairly certain that freedom of speech includes written material for an adult audience on an adult website. Granted it seems more and more of our Bill of Rights are being used as a diaper for government officials. I think if there were pictures or sound accompanying the text,it might be a different story.

As for the FBI investigating Daily Diapers,I say let them into our world. It might be beneficial to our community to be known as a community who polices itself.

[underwhere]

sarah_ab, I really do understand your point, but I do want to ask one question: Can we all agree that minors engage in sexual activities of their own? It's not illegal for them to do so independently. One gets into a much grayer area when you involve minors and adults at the same time, and rightfully so. But now I'm going to write something a bit out there. In hindsight, I'd like to admit to some of my own desires involving myself.

As a child, and as a teenager, long before I was 18, I was not ready for a sexual relationship, nor was I seeking one out, nor, to the best of my knowledge, was anybody seeking one out with me. (I'm not sure I would have known about that, though, as I was rather socially inept at the time.) However, as an adult, I feel like I have lost a lot of potential opportunity for learning about myself and learning about others by not engaging in sexual exploration. If I had been willing and ready at the time, and I most certainly was neither, I think I would have appreciated having, for lack of a better phrase, a female "sexual mentor", somebody to show me a few things about myself as a guy and about females in a non-threatening manner. Even today, my curiosity is very strong, and my knowledge gained from reading materials (some of which may even be of dubious value) far exceeds my experience (which, by the way, is next to zero as I'm bi-curious and have only recently begun exploring a bit with a guy, and have zero experience so far with females), but I do think I would have appreciated having somebody show me a thing or two. At the very least, it might have satiated some of my curiosities.

As I wrote, I was neither ready nor willing at that time to engage in, or even think of engaging in, any such activity with anybody. I want to caution that this is how I feel about myself, and is not necessarily reflective of how other guys/boys think, so if you are a sick bastard out there looking for an excuse to do things we all (I hope) would want to beat the crap out of you for doing, please go elsewhere. My point is that I think there are some boys and girls who might appreciate such guidance, but I'm honestly not sure there are any adults qualified to provide it, or any who could do so without crossing the proverbial fine line which all of us are here discussing. Still, I wish there was some way to provide such support to those boys and girls who might otherwise seek it out in a more reckless manner. Learning from each other at that age is sort of like the blind leading the blind. I just wish there was a better way to solve that kind of problem without creating (rightfully) an ethical firestorm in the process.

For stories involving minors, again, I think this is a harmless expression of creativity. "No minors were harmed in the creation of this story." If any were harmed, then I want the bastards who did the harming arrested, locked up, and forgotten about. For the rest of us who are perfectly sane and do not present any potential problems to society, let us enjoy our fantasies, or not if that is our choosing. My fantasies are reflective of how I thought of myself as a child through my adult eyes. (In some very specific ways, I relate to Mark, one of my characters in "The Antibully" in the role-playing section of this sight.) If nobody can talk about or write about harmless fantasies for fear of judgment by others, then we might as well all go back to the time of the dinosaurs because clearly, among many other examples from history, "If man was meant to fly, he'd have been born with wings."

I find it also interesting that "banned books" or "banned stories" usually wind up with their places prominently displayed in history. "The Grapes of Wrath" and "Lolita" both come quickly to mind, not to mention the much more modern "Heather Has Two Mommies". Regardless of the merits of the stories or ideas, banning them or forcibly withdrawing them because of some of society's perceptions of their "unsuitability" inevitably leads to people wanting them, and it doesn't even matter why. Such books take on a cult-like status. If the books weren't banned, the ideas may very well have been rejected, but because they were banned, they were given much greater stature. I think the same can be said about stories about any topic. I don't enjoy reading stories about any elements of snuff, but I will defend to my dying day the ability for somebody to write such a story, and the ability for others to read it, and for such a story to be posted on a website where at least a portion of the audience might be interested in it (the BDSM Library, for example). The same can be said for stories involving minors. I do relate to stories involving young boys, even in a sexual sense because, as I wrote above, it is a reflection of myself looking at my younger side through the lenses of adulthood, some things that maybe I wish could have happened if I had been willing to let them happen and if I had found a willing person to help take me down that path.

I see nothing wrong with my thoughts back then, and I see nothing wrong with my thoughts now. They are different, but I don't believe either is "wrong" regardless of the age of the characters in the fantasy scenarios, and regardless of my own age. Its still fantasy, and as long as it stays that way, I'm okay with it.

[Nat]

I don't have a problem with ages but if the character in underage, it needs to stay clean, not get sexual.

Example here:

It was about a 7 year old boy still in diapers due to his disability. Although, I know this could be true, as in, there are still kids in diapers due to disabilities, I do not personally care to read about them, nor should people write about them. And in this particular story the woman, his adopted mother, was changing him and commented on how big his penis was, and how erect it was and that he must be excited. Then his adopted brother came along and explained cumming to him etc. I felt this was very in appropriate.

Not okay unless the story is about a boy being rescued from his home where he was being sexually abused. But making it look okay is not okay.

Oh yeah if the author wishes to have the minor have their diaper changed, leave out the rubbing cream on the pussy or the penis, the arousing, etc. "She took off his diaper and rubbed some cream down there." That is fine since it's not sexual. "Then she took out a diaper and placed it under him and pulled it up between his legs and taped it shut." That is also fine too since it's not sexual. If a kid wrote it, that be a different story but it still makes me uncomfortable when I read that part. It's a good away to drive away readers.

[PampersPete]

Everyone's a critic

[babyjennie]

Because I write stories involving underage characters, I feel I should throw in my two cents' worth. Such stories of mine ALWAYS come with a discalimer to remind the reader that they are FANTASIES - not real-life. In no way would I ever condone any form of pedophilia. (I have two young teenage sons.) But my sexual awakening took place at the age of thirteen with another boy, and by the time I was sixteen, I was experienced enough in sexual matters to approach adults on my own. But when I was 13, 14 and 15 years old, my sexual activities were limited to my friends around the same age. It's impossible for me to write these kind of stories with teenage characters without having my characters sexually aware - or becoming sexually aware - as that's when it happened to me!

I realise it's a fine line I tread, and if I have offended some readers - I humbly apologise. It was never my intent to offend or provide masturbation fodder for pedophiles. But I do like writing (and reading) horny sissy AB stories where the characters are teens or young adults. In Australia, the legal age for sexual intercourse varies from thirteen to sixteen in different states - just like the USA.

Hugs from Baby Jennie in Australia

[Pwy ydy'r tad]

The members of this community are moral people who don't condone child abuse or anything like that. I appreciate that, I really do. My concern is how this sort of thing would look from an outside perspective. By it's nature the AB community already treads a thin line in the public consciousness. We live in an age of fear and mistrust, and if the wrong person got wind that this site contained stories, sexual or not, concerning minors then the results could be potentially devastating for all those involved. It wouldn't be enough for a conviction, but it could be reason to have a lot of people take a closer look at you and your lifestyle than you would like.

I'd like to point out that a few years ago a newspaper in the UK (News of the World I believe) ran a 'naming and shaming' campaign for sex offenders. However, for whatever reason, there were occasions where the paper got it wrong. Even though they printed retractions (buried somewhere in the middle of the paper as opposed to the page 1 accusation) the damage was done. I wouldn't wish that on anyone here.

In short, I feel as a community we really need to protect ourselves against this.

[underwhere]

Pwy, I agree, but protecting ourselves is up to us as individuals. After all, I can't be responsible for anything you do, nor could you be responsible for anything I do. Therefore, if I choose to write and post a story containing such material, as an author, I would accept full responsibility for it. To expect others to cover for me, to expect the community to cover for me, would be ridiculous. People will either like it or they won't, and the story would stand on it's own merits (or possibly lack thereof).

I classify myself as a DL with some AB desires. I'm not ashamed of the fact that some of my fantasies involving me as an AB would be considered "sexually twisted" at best, but it is still how I feel I would like to be treated as an adult baby. Further, I confess that I had such fantasies as a teenager, and to a lesser sexually explicit extent, even before my teenage years. Those are my honest thoughts about myself. Does that make me a pedophile? Am I harming anybody in the process? I think it is quite clear that I am not. If I were, of course, that would be completely different.

So, imagine I wrote a first person fictional account of me as a young boy being physically or sexually turned on by diapers, or even having certain sexual attentions paid to me (a handjob or blowjob for example). As a teenager, I know I fantasized about this. Younger than a teenager, I think I was more interested in the diapers but I honestly can't remember that clearly.

I do remember some sexual touching games I played at an overnight camp with another boy my age. (I don't remember how old I was at the time, but it was probably before I was a teenager.) I didn't understand why being touched felt strange or good, but it did. I am not ashamed for those experiences, and perhaps I would have delighted in learning a bit more about myself back then if either me or the other boy involved had known what such touching could lead to. "Boners" (slang for "erections") were all we knew, but discovering orgasms at that age could have brought our play to a completely different level of intensity. If it had, would that have been wrong? Would writing about it be wrong if it was a real life experience? What if we had some adult input into our escapades? (We didn't, by the way.)

I understand the whole "needing to protect ourselves as a community" thing, but I also understand that real life experiences that some people have may not be "proper", but they also may be no less real. A sexually abused child eventually grows up. The sexual abuse still happened. An interesting question one could ask is this: what makes it abuse? Is it the actions themselves, or the opinions of others with regard to those actions, or the opinions of the "abused" child? In truth, it is probably a combination of all three factors.

A baby boy may experience an erection during the course of a diaper change. In fact, this is probably not uncommon. A baby girl may experience some similar type of sexual arousal. These things happen. They are part of life. Obviously, an adult exploiting such children for their own sexual gain is a problem, but what if the child enjoys the physical attentions and physical/mental sensations anyway? (That question probably makes more sense when asked of children cognitively aware and chronologically old enough to express an opinion on the matter.) This gets into all kinds of murky moral ground, I suppose. Still, I think "murky moral ground" is what many great stories are made of. Why should an author not be able to create and share such stories. Just imagine Uncle Tom's Cabin, Lolita, Oliver Twist, among many other explicit works without such moral ground at their core. Heck, even some of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales were rather explicit in their descriptions. What makes these type of fictional stories acceptable for us to read and the one's we are discussing in this thread less so?

I'm sorry it took so long to get to my points. I hope somebody is still reading this and willing to take a stab at answering my questions.

[sarah_ab]

yes but under when you post a story with characters under the age of 18 and someone files a complaint, and this website is investigated for allegations of child pornography then ALLL members will be investigated, so while the author may claim all responsibility, it doesn't mean anything when we are ALL put under the microscope, simply because one member could not refrain from posting a story involving pornographic material and children on this board.

Like i said, write whatever a person wants, and email to whoever asks for it, but by posting it on this website, we are ALL being put at risk.

[DiaperBoyKR]

Underwhere, I agree with you that the community as a whole shouldn't be held responsible for what one person or a few people do. However, the likelihood of that happening is minimal to nonexistant. As has been said, in alot of people's minds that are aware of our interests, we walk the line toward pedophila. WE know that we aren't interested in kids at all, but it is a common misperception among those that do not belong to our lifestyle. As such, it falls to us to make sure there isn't even a hint of impropriety that we can get slammed with.

Is that really fair to us? No. We all know that people (especially males) awaken to their sexuality well before the official "legal age". Most of us got interested in diapers when we were in our teens or earlier. Most of us realized that it felt good sexually when we were teenagers. BUT given the atmosphere we live in, and the attitudes of alot of people around us, we have to take the steps to defend ourselves from false accusations. If that means restrictions on how old characters in a story have to be, I'd be in favor of it. It's no different from DD policy of having to be over 18 to post on the boards in the way I look at it.

[Cid]

I would say no to limating the age but it would be nice if people posted the age of the people in the stories so you know before you start reading.