Why Do People Associate Adults In Diapers With Pedophiles?

[turtlepins]

That's just one I don't get! When I was wearing diapers at age six no one wondered if I was a pedophile. When I wore diapers at age 12 no one wondered if I was a pedophile. Being incontinent does not equal pedophilia! The diaper fetish is certainly one of the nicer fetishes I've seen! I'm not particularly into diaper porn pictures but I don't consider myself "dirty" because I enjoy seeing a girl or guy in diapers. Infantilism, the AB/DL lifestyle, even BDSM (a little too weird for me) doesn't make me think pedophile. I absolutely hate when people associate such a filthy crime with innocent (relatively speaking) fun. Most of my adult friends (not AB/DL's, incontinent, or into infantilism) know I love this site. Some have even watched over my shoulder to read the stories, discussions about our lifestyle, and chat. Not one of them has ever suggested it makes them think of pedophilia. I've asked. So why? Just don't know, but it ticks me off! I'm gonna go put on an extra diaper now!

[Saladin1976]

I don't think anyone thinks incontinence = pedophilia. I think people have more of a problem with folks looking at girls (or guys) who are dressed up as little kids. To folks who have never had the attraction themselves, they make the logical leap that you must be looking at adults dressed up as kids simply because it's more legal that looking at kids themselves.

There's just a huge societal taboo to anything linking childhood (especially early childhood) to sexuality in any way. And without a doubt, diapers are indelibly linked to early childhood. So when they see us getting off to pics of people wearing diapers, or wearing diapers for sexual rather than medical purposes... I could see how they, having never felt the attraction themselves, could reach an incorrect conclusion. It's a shame, really.

[DollyDiaper]

I never draw the conclusion you make based on the evidence of diaperwearing, as that would clearly be unjust and absurd, However, I find it 'interesting', to say the least, that you've started this thread and in my view, placed yourself in the firing-line! Or maybe it's your attempt to deflect attention from your past contributions on DD?

I have reported two of your stories (Story Forum) in the past, as they were on the subject of minors (i.e. Not AB) both of which gave detailed descriptions of abuse, bordering on torture. In my opinion, they were little short of paedophilic. These stories were subsequently deleted by the Moderators.

I have also read many posts from you in this Lifestyle Forum that involved your descriptions of what you claimed to be your RL encounterts with a number of children, and your very questionable interactions (regarding diapers) with them in the street and supermarkets etc.

Frankly, to say that many of the descriptions you gave made me feel extremely uneasy, would be an understatement, and they've left me with a very nasty taste in my mouth.

Dolly

[tris]

I understand the link one can draw between what we see as something arousing, and what THEY would see as arousing.

When I consented to see a therapist about all this, I had a long drawn-out discussion with him about what exactly pedophilia is and isn't. To be fair, anyone with a PARAphilia --that is to say, a fetish in general-- is automatically counted out of the possible pedo suspect list. The reason being that most PARAphilias are based on a submissive stance. We enjoy wearing diapers, and they're enjoyed more when someone puts them ON US. See the submissive part? Everyone catch what I'm explaining so far? Good, moving on.

Pedophiles are aggressive. This can be noted in their MO --watch kid from a distance. Work up the nerve to abduct a kid. Then, torture, abuse, and later KILL kid. Those are all actions someone who is submissive couldn't possibly commit. (humans are dynamic, there are anomolies, however.)

Pedophilia is based upon the desire to dominate another. Like anyone with a sexual deviancy, they are victims of their environment. Society may think of them as terrible, horrible people, (and they are!) but they're a little like vampires or zombies. Someone did it to them first, and the only way their psyche can deal with that trauma is to do the same to others. It's a weak mindset, but it is rooted in the survival set. (which is why I'm a big fan of doing with pedos the same thing we do to zombies or vampires. Shoot them in the head!! Yay!) Nonetheless, it's a dominance thing. That's why they're also referred to as "predators" -- They prey on the weakest they can find, which, just so happens to be our children.

Its a neverending cycle, i'm afraid. we can wage genocide on all the pedos we can find and we still wouldn't be rid of the horror they bring to our culture.

What we CAN do is help stop the abuse by not engaging minors in such a way that could cause them harm. Easier said than done, but it's a good first step to creating a better race of human beings.

[mommy charlene]

Frankly, to say that many of the descriptions you gave made me feel extremely uneasy, would be an understatement, and they've left me with a very nasty taste in my mouth.

Dolly

[DollyDiaper]

The bad taste in your mouth is probably the bile and vicious venom mixing whenever you open it, sweetie. I happen to know that turtlepins was thinking about the "Do the walls have ears" post. So hop on your broom and fly away witch. he doesn't like you either. too bad. since we've been married 33 years, and known each other for 39 years, raised three kids, etc. i can verify that he doesn't bend that way. but what do you care? not a wit, i'm sure. so prattle on little miss pernicious with your vanity and harsh words. he's my baby. this is a public forum and all opinions are freely stated. have a fun-filled day. encourage others. laugh. you'll be a better person for it.

I understand your motive for starting this thread, but rather than attempting to lull people into a false sense of security, it succeeded in opening -

I find myself repeating an apt quotation here -

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive."

Dolly

[tris]

No more bickering, children, or I'LL close the topic.

Mommy Charlene, turtlepins' posts are rather outlandish --I've read them, too. Being a victim of abuse himself I'm afraid science is against him as well. Those who are abused as children have a highER likelihood of being motivated to abuse others when given the opportunity to do so. He wasn't being accused of being a pedophile, so there's no need to unleash the monster hiding underneath YOUR tongue, either.

I stand by my fact-filled post --Those with fetishes are predisposed to NOT have pedophilic tendencies, although there can be anomalies.

Now be good, both of you, or it's TIME OUT!

*giggles*

[turtlepins]

I never draw the conclusion you make based on the evidence of diaperwearing, as that would clearly be unjust and absurd, However, I find it 'interesting', to say the least, that you've started this thread and in my view, placed yourself in the firing-line! Or maybe it's your attempt to deflect attention from your past contributions on DD?

I have reported two of your stories (Story Forum) in the past, as they were on the subject of minors (i.e. Not AB) both of which gave detailed descriptions of abuse, bordering on torture. In my opinion, they were little short of paedophilic. These stories were subsequently deleted by the Moderators.

I have also read many posts from you in this Lifestyle Forum that involved your descriptions of what you claimed to be your RL encounterts with a number of children, and your very questionable interactions (regarding diapers) with them in the street and supermarkets etc.

Frankly, to say that many of the descriptions you gave made me feel extremely uneasy, would be an understatement, and they've left me with a very nasty taste in my mouth.

Dolly

Hi dolly. i'm a little less vulnerable than i was last time you took a swipe at me, and a lot more secure in who and what i am. how about this: you dribble in your diaper, and i'll dribble in mine. i was just thinking about the post "do the walls have ears" and stuff. nuthin serious. have a nice day. oh, and wipe that shlup off your shoe before somebody notices!

[mommy charlene]

Now be good, both of you, or it's TIME OUT!

*giggles*

[Dill_Pickle]

I don't think anyone thinks incontinence = pedophilia. I think people have more of a problem with folks looking at girls (or guys) who are dressed up as little kids. To folks who have never had the attraction themselves, they make the logical leap that you must be looking at adults dressed up as kids simply because it's more legal that looking at kids themselves.

There's just a huge societal taboo to anything linking childhood (especially early childhood) to sexuality in any way. And without a doubt, diapers are indelibly linked to early childhood. So when they see us getting off to pics of people wearing diapers, or wearing diapers for sexual rather than medical purposes... I could see how they, having never felt the attraction themselves, could reach an incorrect conclusion. It's a shame, really.

I'm *NOT* going to talk about turtlepins...

But what I would say of paedophiles is that they are a bogeyman -- but you can't point to them, since they tend to be the same ones you told the children to respect....the catholic priests, the scoutmasters, that kind of thing. Now, you get some adult that likes a thing clearly associated with small children in a sexual way -- diapers -- and presto, you have suddenly put a name to this bogeyman... and yes, there are dominants into humiliating others into wearing diapers here.

[jenniebear]

"But what I would say of paedophiles is that they are a bogeyman -- but you can't point to them, since they tend to be the same ones you told the children to respect....the catholic priests, the scoutmasters, that kind of thing. Now, you get some adult that likes a thing clearly associated with small children in a sexual way -- diapers -- and presto, you have suddenly put a name to this bogeyman... and yes, there are dominants into humiliating others into wearing diapers here."

Dill Please clarify...am i reading this wrong or are you associationg Dominants who use diapers as a tool for humiliating a consenting submissive adult....... with the domination of pedophile over a child as stated in an earlier post by tris?

"Pedophilia is based upon the desire to dominate another. Like anyone with a sexual deviancy, they are victims of their environment. Society may think of them as terrible, horrible people, (and they are!) but they're a little like vampires or zombies. Someone did it to them first, and the only way their psyche can deal with that trauma is to do the same to others. It's a weak mindset, but it is rooted in the survival set. (which is why I'm a big fan of doing with pedos the same thing we do to zombies or vampires. Shoot them in the head!! Yay!) Nonetheless, it's a dominance thing. That's why they're also referred to as "predators" -- They prey on the weakest they can find, which, just so happens to be our children."

[tommee]

Seeing how uneasy alot of us are about each others particular ins and outs, its really not suprising how quickly someone from outside the community could accuse us of being pedophiles.

I'm sure that pretty much everyone on here isn't a pedophile, we just have to be very careful about how we're percieved.

[SS84onwards]

Those who are abused as children have a highER likelihood of being motivated to abuse others when given the opportunity to do so.

Not entirely true. I was abused when I was a child back in 1984 and no matter how upset I am about what I suffered and endured, I have no desire and no interest in doing to kids what was done to me. I know that as in the terms of being human that I have the capability and the potential to destroy lives like mine was destroyed, I refuse to be like that.

Not every abuse victim heads up becoming an abuser themselves, there are those who manage to turn all that anger, rage and fear into strength to give them what they need to make it through another day of painful memories. Only those who are incapable of finding that strength become abusers.

[Dill_Pickle]

"But what I would say of paedophiles is that they are a bogeyman -- but you can't point to them, since they tend to be the same ones you told the children to respect....the catholic priests, the scoutmasters, that kind of thing. Now, you get some adult that likes a thing clearly associated with small children in a sexual way -- diapers -- and presto, you have suddenly put a name to this bogeyman... and yes, there are dominants into humiliating others into wearing diapers here."

Dill Please clarify...am i reading this wrong or are you associationg Dominants who use diapers as a tool for humiliating a consenting submissive adult....... with the domination of pedophile over a child as stated in an earlier post by tris?

"Pedophilia is based upon the desire to dominate another. Like anyone with a sexual deviancy, they are victims of their environment. Society may think of them as terrible, horrible people, (and they are!) but they're a little like vampires or zombies. Someone did it to them first, and the only way their psyche can deal with that trauma is to do the same to others. It's a weak mindset, but it is rooted in the survival set. (which is why I'm a big fan of doing with pedos the same thing we do to zombies or vampires. Shoot them in the head!! Yay!) Nonetheless, it's a dominance thing. That's why they're also referred to as "predators" -- They prey on the weakest they can find, which, just so happens to be our children."

OK, here goes.

I don't think the step from dominating a consenting adult to dominating a child, who cannot give consent is a very large one. Even if it is a large step, and one carefully respected, it may not be perceived that way in the mind of someone freaked out by this whole scene in the first place....and it is perception we are discussing, not the underlying reality.

Having said that, someone who identifies as a dominant probably *is* low risk because they have found an outlet...in my opinion half of the problem with the catholic priests is that they overtly suppress their sexuality, and with no overt outlet, tragedy is the result. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first begin to deceive".

Anyone remember [That OTHER site].COM, and Brian Cobb? That site started out as diaper pictures, freaked out a bunch of adult diaper lovers, some of whom commented on it here, ended up selling pictures of children in diaper poses on line and then was in the news when the cops closed it down.

P.S.

SS84, while not all abused people end up abusing, I know one example a little too well....the problem being that being abused tends to create the same habits of mind that are used by the abusers, such as self-deception, and the idea that abuse is "normal". Not that these habits of mind aren't necessary for surviving the abuse, or that all abusers end up abusing others, but the correlation is definitely present.

[jenniebear]

That is what i thought you were saying Dill........and i have to say i find that train of thought very disturbing.....and wrong in my opinion

Granted there are many people in the world who have a variety of fantasies and fetishes that are not acceptable when practiced or acted upon with non consenting adults .......

the bdsm lifestylers however are just as strongly opposed to anything done without consent....as any other responsible adult who engages in any alternative form of sexual activities....in my opinion they are even more careful and conscientious of responsible activities because of the views of others outside the lifestyle....if you study the practices of bdsm lifestylers you will find that they put many tools into place to keep things "safe, sane and consensual"

what so many fail to understand is that bdsm practices bring pleasure to those who participate.....

As for the Dominants, while i am a submissive in the lifestyle, i happen to have a very Dominant personality in the work world....as do most of those i work with and encounter every day....Dominance is not a game...it is a personality type...some Dominants enjoy taking it a step beyond the "norm" and engage in Domination in the bedroom and in their personal lives as well.......others like myself either enjoy giving over their Dominance willingly or having their Dominance stripped from them in a consensual act of force

The mind of a Dominant in my experience tends to be one that is creative and seeks out activities or motivators that their submissive will respond to in the manner that gives their submissive a thrill.......it may not even be the actual activity that is turn on for the Dominannt...rather it is the response of the submissive to that activity that is stimulating........Dominants also tend to be "limit" pushers......."how can i push my submissive to her limits?" which in turn brings a thrill to the submissive.......diapering can be a safe way to bring an element of humilition to a "scene"........which a a submissive may crave humiliation but it's a difficult situation to create without leaving the safety of one's own home...

Basically Dominance in the bedroom is a pleasure device and not......a manner of "preying" on an innocent believe me.....most submissives i've known are far from innocent...they crave what they submit to

and.................don't confuse Domination and submission of bdsm with a non consensual act is nothing more then abuse, rape or molestation...

[SS84onwards]

P.S.

SS84, while not all abused people end up abusing, I know one example a little too well....the problem being that being abused tends to create the same habits of mind that are used by the abusers, such as self-deception, and the idea that abuse is "normal". Not that these habits of mind aren't necessary for surviving the abuse, or that all abusers end up abusing others, but the correlation is definitely present.

I've never accepted and never will accept that the abuse was 'normal'. It was sickening, terrifiying and damaging in every way. But there's nothing I can do about what I endured, the woman who abused me is rich and as far as justice is concerned, she's the one in the right while me, who's barely got a penny to my name, is seen as wrong and only worth being hurt.

It's a sick, greedy world that doesn't care about the crimes that those who have money do, all they care about is what they'll earn out of defending the guilty. All I can do is try to find something in me, some kind of faith that either things have to get better or I'll finally find peace from the memories of what she did to me.

If wearing a nappy meant I was some kind of sick freak who thinks destroying kids lives for sexual pleasure, then I wouldn't be sitting here with a nappy on, I would resist the desire to wear a nappy all through my life. And if I ever hurt kids like I was hurt, I would be quite happy to get rid of myself rather than waste tax payer's money on a waste of a trial since the justice system doesn't care.

[mommy charlene]

most interesting reading! for those of you are are wondering, turtlepins has never been accused of or committed any acts that would fall under the heading "pedophile". I've known him for 39 years, and been married to him for 33. I think I qualify as an expert witness. That done, let's move on.

I have a teacher who is incontinent. None of the kids know, but I know. Today I expelled a boy (first grade!) who showed other kids 250 dollars he'd stollen from his parents and told them all he was going to buy a gun this weekend and bring it to school and shoot them all. The Sheriff's took him away in handcuffs. He's so little, but I didn't feel a bit sorry that he's out of my school. Innocence (like the sweet innocence of my turtlepins, and the teacher I work with and love) and criminal passion both come in all shapes, sizes, and fetishes.

I don't know much about the dominence/sub thing . . . yet. I do know that it can be fun for both, or sadistic. I'm no expert, but again I'm sure it involves the individual souls of individual people. Some souls are filled with light, while others dwell in the darkest of places.

I am however, interested in how quick all of us (including myself here) are to think the worst and speak words that drip malace. (guilty as charged!) Some of you have been very good about asking for clarification and avoiding judgement. Thank you for the example and the reminder. My hope is that these words have been clearly presented and leave no room for misunderstanding. Bless you all. Ta ta for now.

[DollyDiaper]

I'm a dad! All my kids are grown, two of them married now. If one of my children came to me and said he or she had a real desire to wear diapers and be a baby I'd listen! So would my wife. I'd find out if it was infantilism or a diaper fetish and act accordingly. If it was infantilism I'd change their room into a "big baby" nursery, throw out all their clothes, and start dressing them in diapers and baby clothes and treating them like a baby. If it was a diaper fetish I'd help them find the right diaper for theri desires and let 'em wear them. Not all parents will react this way. Cathy and I talked about it when our kids were babies and decided we'd support them with understanding, patience, and meet their needs.

This was posted in Friends & Family Forum. Unfortunately I can't find the post where you described in graphic detail about 'Diaper Disciplining' your mid-teens son. This was also in a main Forum and not the Story Forum. I remember the universal negative feedback you received from members here (and rightly so IMO.)

Please don't try to shift the blame for the negative responses you receive.

Dolly

[rusty pins]

This is what it all boiles down to, the subject of the original post. IGNORENCE This is not to say people are stupid although a lot of them are, but Ignorence means "without knowledge". I think people are very ignorent of the AB/DL lifestyle but at the same time are well aware of perverts and pedofiles that mess with underage kids. The only thing they know about that they could possibly associate with adults who like to wear diapers, use pasifiers, baby clothes and such is pedofilia. Since pedofiles like to mess with kids and AB's like to wear diapers and pretend to be kids, it's easy for ignorent people to make a comparison and jump to the conclusion (incorrectly) that if someone wants to be a kid themselves that they must also want to mess with little kids and underage teens! If anyone would stop to really think about it, the perverted pedofiles are all adults acting like horny perverted adults looking to mess with kids and teens. Adults who dress and act like babies themselves are roll playing as a baby and have no interest in trying t pick up a teenager for sex!!

[DollyDiaper]

This is what it all boiles down to, the subject of the original post. IGNORENCE This is not to say people are stupid although a lot of them are, but Ignorence means "without knowledge". I think people are very ignorent of the AB/DL lifestyle but at the same time are well aware of perverts and pedofiles that mess with underage kids. The only thing they know about that they could possibly associate with adults who like to wear diapers, use pasifiers, baby clothes and such is pedofilia. Since pedofiles like to mess with kids and AB's like to wear diapers and pretend to be kids, it's easy for ignorent people to make a comparison and jump to the conclusion (incorrectly) that if someone wants to be a kid themselves that they must also want to mess with little kids and underage teens! If anyone would stop to really think about it, the perverted pedofiles are all adults acting like horny perverted adults looking to mess with kids and teens. Adults who dress and act like babies themselves are roll playing as a baby and have no interest in trying t pick up a teenager for sex!!

I largely agree with your post, except the important issue in your last two sentences, as I've highlighted above.

Just a quick glance at the Diapers in the News Forum here will show examples of where the two are apparently combined.

Dolly

[mommy charlene]

I just realized, after opening this box, that saying anything would be a waste of time.

[messyman]

You can't pretend that these board don't attract more pedos than most. Plus all the gay kiddie sex diapers stories.

[Rawr]

I doubt that these boards attract "more pedos than most" - I reckon a paedophile's hunting ground is more likely to be either a teen/child based website (some of those 'Teen Baby' websites really worry me) or a social networking site - apparently myspace has removed a HUGE number of 'inappropriate' profiles, after responding to criticisms about the ease at which a paedo could register and add children as friends; again, a worrying prospect.

But, that said, I think a few people here have quite a narrow view of the subject - it's totally possible that someone could display elements of both paedophillia and infantilism, there's nothing about paraphilic fetishes that stops someone from ALSO having another sexual deviancy/difference. And there are several stories in the 'story' section that don't appear to be "real life accounts" that deal with underage characters. This is something I do strongly disagree with, because it's quite possible that this could cater to the tastes of paedophiles - as someone has mentioned, some of the stories could be seen as quite degrading to the people involved, and when that's two consenting adults, fair enough, but when it's a story (fantasy or not) about minors, that worries me.

However, as has been said, the majority of ABs or DLs pose no risk to children at all. What I don't understand is who this 'public' is that are associating infantilism and paedophillia? I'm pretty sure that the majority of the public have never actually heard of infantilism, so I don't believe it's possible for them to make that connection.

Rx

[Dill_Pickle]

That is what i thought you were saying Dill........and i have to say i find that train of thought very disturbing.....and wrong in my opinion

Granted there are many people in the world who have a variety of fantasies and fetishes that are not acceptable when practiced or acted upon with non consenting adults .......

the bdsm lifestylers however are just as strongly opposed to anything done without consent....as any other responsible adult who engages in any alternative form of sexual activities....in my opinion they are even more careful and conscientious of responsible activities because of the views of others outside the lifestyle....if you study the practices of bdsm lifestylers you will find that they put many tools into place to keep things "safe, sane and consensual"

(snip)

and.................don't confuse Domination and submission of bdsm with a non consensual act is nothing more then abuse, rape or molestation...

Jenniebear:

Remember: I am talking about perception, not the underlying reality here.

I am not at all concerned about bdsm lifestylers...who are probably universally aware of and working very hard to respect the boundaries of consent... However, you could argue that that special care they take is precisely because the boundary is a little too easy to cross.

What I am concerned about is those who are dominant, not in the lifestyle community, and unconscious/unaware or in denial of that type of need and of the boundaries. That was the problem with the supposedly celibate catholic priesthood...it wasn't, and the need for sex and domination found its way out onto children in some cases.

But if I was judgemental (and admit it, many in the public are) and I had never been exposed to the "BDSM lifestyle community", but had been exposed to the scandal involving all those pedophilic catholic priests, I'd probably confuse the two.

Dill Pickle

Of course, the taboos on sexuality are still pretty strong in the US, and if you violate one taboo, why not two?