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12 minutes ago, Spokane Girl said:

t's not illegal what he is doing since it's not real CP and no child is actually being harmed.

That is actually incorrect, in Texas, and California (The only two states I really know anything about) pedophilia is described as a sexual act involving a minor, and the expansion on that is "photos, video, of children in pornographic mediums, or recordings, photos, advertisement featuring children, or obtained by recording children, with or without consent."

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2 hours ago, GhostGirl said:

That is actually incorrect, in Texas, and California (The only two states I really know anything about) pedophilia is described as a sexual act involving a minor, and the expansion on that is "photos, video, of children in pornographic mediums, or recordings, photos, advertisement featuring children, or obtained by recording children, with or without consent."

But if he is just looking at videos online of parents changing their kids diapers, how can that be illegal? I see that stuff on youtube all the time and I just skip it because I am looking for adults changing their diapers, not parents changing their children. 

 

Sorry, I still don't see how a minor is being harmed just because their parent chooses to put a video online of themselves changing them for other parents to see and someone decides to jack off to it. Children don't consent to their parents recording them changing their diaper and putting it on youtube or on facebook. Maybe the parent should be charged too by your logic? After all they are possessing in child porn. 

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While his intentions may be autonepiophiliac in nature, the action of intentionally looking up videos of kids to get off to would raise red flags in general. I would strongly advise him to reconsider his actions and change his ways as proving intention is hard in general.

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7 hours ago, Spokane Girl said:

But if he is just looking at videos online of parents changing their kids diapers, how can that be illegal? I see that stuff on youtube all the time and I just skip it because I am looking for adults changing their diapers, not parents changing their children. 

 

Sorry, I still don't see how a minor is being harmed just because their parent chooses to put a video online of themselves changing them for other parents to see and someone decides to jack off to it. Children don't consent to their parents recording them changing their diaper and putting it on youtube or on facebook. Maybe the parent should be charged too by your logic? After all they are possessing in child porn. 

The video itself is not illegal. The second the dude watching the video whips out his penis and starts rubbing, he is now committing a crime. In cases of pedophilia, a minor does not have to be harmed. People get sent to jail over using advertisements of kids in swimsuits, finding home videos of kids in bathtubs, etc...

It is the act of using children in a sexual act that is against the law, not harming a child (which is covered under different laws and carry far more punishing consequences.)

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Your friend may not be a paedophile (specfically, infantophile in his case) at all, he may be aroused or otherwise fascinated by the idea of himself being the baby getting a diaper change, using its diaper, etc. 

ABDL activities are by and large about pretending, and added realism enhances the experience, hence all the cute printed diapers, baby-like clothing, toys and what have you. The fact still stands that it's, in most cases at least, putting on an act. Same goes for all the ABDL videos and photos of adults, whereas actual babies being themselves are not faking anything which is probably the difference your friend sees in it. He should also realize that there is the difference of consent. 

Parents who upload these kinds of videos on social networks (seriously, they should think more before doing that) definitely do not want these to be someone's fapping material, and it would be illegal to consent to it even if they wanted to. I'm not proficient in law, but I can imagine the consequences if someone was to find out about it and prove that the children have been indirectly abused. Not many would have the kind of consideration to make the distinction whether your friends fantasies were of that or that sort, even if he wasn't convicted of anything, he'd carry the label of a paedophile and a potential child molester. 

He needs to stop immediately.

If he is or is not a paedophile, that's for a professional to confirm or rule out, it can't be done from the keyboard of a computer just like that. If he is, he needs therapy. If he's not, he still needs to stop doing what he's doing. 

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Here is another thought.  Everyone has something that turns them on.  It all depends on how we act upon it, where and how well we control those urges.  For example, I love seeing a good looking woman wearing tight designer jeans.  Will I look at them out in public?  Yes.  Will I leer at them in a creepy way?  Absolutely not!  Will I go up to them and talk to them, tell them how sexy their jeans look or rub my hand across their butt?  Never!  Will I want to stalk them and rape them?  Of course not!

There are people on this site who love wearing diapers.  Those of you here who have read some of my other posts know I believe in a good healthy balance between a diaper fetish and real life.  It's OK to love wearing diapers for personal enjoyment at home, discreetly under your clothing when out and about and with special play time with your wife or husband.  I believe that there is a good time for play and a time for the rest of your life.  While some people can and do have a normal life when wearing diapers 24/7 (some who are incontinent have no choice in the matter), some people fixate on their diapers to the point they want to act as a baby 24/7 or make themselves incontinent so they have no choice but to have to wear diapers all the time.  To each his own, but to me it sounds a bit obsessive to say the least.  When you change your personal life so it revolves around your diaper fetish, you have lost a good balance between fun and fantasy and the regular normal everyday life most people have.  It's never good in my opinion to obsess over one thing only and that includes someone who plays 36 holes of golf everyday or spends all his time playing slots at the local casino.

Going back to what I said about the women in the designer jeans.  It's OK and even healthy to look at them without being obvious and creepy about it.  Do you for one moment think they didn't dress that way or buy those jeans because they didn't want men to look at them?  The difference is the majority of us will look and think, "Boy, those jeans look terrific on her!", but that is a s far as we go.  A few may look and obsess over that person in the tight jeans, or many women in tight jeans and take it where no one should go!  Stalking, raping and murdering women because they fixate on those urges and can not control them.  Those urges have taken over.  While those end results are much worse than the AB or DL who fixates on diapers to the point where he wants to wear and use them 24/7, the same principals apply.  A DL's sexual urges and obsessions eventually cause him to desire to give up his regular underpants wear and use diapers 24/7 for the rest of his life, the other's sexual urges and obsession causes him to rape and harm women which is a far worse thing than wearing diapers.

If the said person gets off on watching babies and toddlers get their diapers changed, it's disturbing but it can also be compared to an AB or DL enjoying wearing, wetting and/or messing their diapers and possibly getting babied and changed by their partner.  It's their kink.  The thing is, it's a problem when that kink starts to take over and end's up controlling their actions and lives like the person who decides to wear 24/7 because they just love diapers so much they want to devote their life to being in them.  It is much more disturbing if the guy who loves watching video's of toddlers getting their diapers changed start to actually involve children in their kink.  Wearing diapers for personal pleasure, even if you decide to go 24/7 is one thing, but if a person's obsession with watching babies and toddlers get their diapers change gets so out of control that the person starts acting on it by involving themselves in those situations with actual children, it's alarming and way past the point if worry or concern.  It could turn from watching video's of diaper changes to the person offering to change his friend's child's diaper if visiting just to help out.  It can escalate from there, just as a DL's fetish can increase more and more each time he or she puts on a diaper.  The more you do it and like it, the more you want to do it!  That can also lead to experimenting with different things and ideas when wearing diapers.  You start at home in your room, get bolder and start wearing out in public.  There have been some posts in the forums about people wearing just diapers on the beach, taking their clothes off and hiking on trails in just diapers, playing in the mud along the river banks in messy diapers, things like that.  It also stands to reason a person who enjoy's watching toddlers get their diapers changed on video wouldn't pass up a chance to watch a friend or relative changing their child's diaper in person.  From there it could be an offer to do it for them so the parent can do another task, maybe tend to another child.  Once the person in question experiences actually changing a baby or toddler's diaper, they may enjoy it and relate it even more to the sexual feelings they get when masterbating to a video of the same thing.  Who knows where that could lead if it keeps happening.  The guy might just get so turned on when changing a toddler's diaper that he stops half way, whips his penis out and starts wanking away in the middle of changing the toddlers diaper. Just like the guy who gets bolder and bolder and does more and more things with his diaper wearing, the same could be true of the guy who gets off on changing children's diapers.  Very disturbing! 

If you notice this person paying more and more attention to toddlers and babies when out with him, that may be alarming if it keeps getting worse and worse each time.  masterbating to a child getting his diaper changed is really disturbing to me, but if that's as far as it ever goes, not much you can do about it.  Very creepy.  I would be afraid that he takes it to the next level, just like the DL who takes it to the next level.

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5 hours ago, rusty pins said:

 

Do you for one moment think they didn't dress that way or buy those jeans because they didn't want men to look at them?

No, that is not why we fucking dress the way we do. We dress the way we do because we like how WE look and feel. We are not showing off for you, or trying to get you to look at us. This idea needs to die.

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On 9/19/2018 at 11:07 PM, GhostGirl said:

The video itself is not illegal. The second the dude watching the video whips out his penis and starts rubbing, he is now committing a crime. In cases of pedophilia, a minor does not have to be harmed. People get sent to jail over using advertisements of kids in swimsuits, finding home videos of kids in bathtubs, etc...

It is the act of using children in a sexual act that is against the law, not harming a child (which is covered under different laws and carry far more punishing consequences.)

While I'm positively against child porn, the two parts I underlined shows the paranoid hysteria which gets applied here. If a grown woman or man was the subject matter here, there would be no issue, even though everyone knows that there is going to be some sexual act happening while certain grown women or men see such things. There's a double standard evident, and not only because of age. If vids of kids in a bathtub (not showing below the waist) is illegal to watch then why isn't it illegal to post? And the same for advertisements of kids in swimsuits. Open a newspaper, see kid in swimsuits.Go to a public pool see kids in swimsuits. Ditto the public beach. Why then is online viewing or storing of those images questionable when an equal public exposure isn't? Yet this is how the systems works and until it changes you'd damn well better protect yourself from that system by avoiding any of that. It's the "Thought Police" Orwell spoke of in the book "1984" but that same concept is illegal to apply to anything or anyone else. If those "Thought Cops" wish to use such criteria to determine who needs a closer look I have no problem with that. It's when they take what could easily be an innocent act and turn it into an illegal one that troubles me.

With that much paranoia being applied against me I must take an even more paranoid line of defense against it. I have to. My presence on an ABDL forum already raises a red flag with their paranoid minds, even though I'm just DL and not AB and I would never harm any child. With them being that paranoid I am sure that some of those "Thought Police" would covertly place kiddie pics on my computer so they could get rid of me because their thought processes are that screwed up. They need a Psychiatrist or Therapist or maybe even to be Institutionalized to protect society from them, but instead they get a badge and the authority to create crimes where none exist whenever they can get away with it. And they see no wrong in that but I do. Sane logic tells you that if advertisements of kids in swimsuits or posting non-sexual pics of kids online is legal, then viewing or collecting those pics or vids cannot be wrong unless the first act was equally wrong. It is all legal or it isn't, and until it gets seen that way my advice will be that you avoid anything which could possibly be twisted by their paranoid minds into something which could be used against you because that is exactly what they will do if given a chance. You don't need the hassle even if you can prove your innocence. Get away and stay away or you will end up wishing that you had.

Bettypooh

 

 

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17 hours ago, GhostGirl said:

No, that is not why we fucking dress the way we do. We dress the way we do because we like how WE look and feel. We are not showing off for you, or trying to get you to look at us. This idea needs to die.

I understand what you are saying and no offence was meant, however I know women do dress nicely to both look and feel good but also to look nice for men including their husbands, the same as a guy will dress to look nice for women including his wife.  I can wear an old pair of pants and a ratty t-shirt when around the house, but when I have to go someplace where I'll be seen by others, I'll put on good cloths to look nice for the people I see.  I keep that in mind when buying my clothes.  I want others including women who see me to think, "That guy looks nice and even attractive" instead of them thinking, "Gee.  That guy looks like a slob the way he's dressed and he's really not a bad looking guy".

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I've dressed that way just to show off my body. I have lost weight and worked for this body so I think I can celebrate it by dressing in clothes that show my new body than hiding my figure. I do not understand this about women who say they just dress this way because they like the way they look, not for people to look at. That makes zero sense because that is like me saying "I do not put up my outside Halloween decorations for people to look at, I put them up outside because I like how it looks." This isn't logical. People are going to see it and look. If I didn't want it to be looked at, I wouldn't be putting them up. So when I didn't like my body and thought I looked too fat, I didn't show it and I wore clothes that covered my tummy, covered my thighs and upper arms. Now after I lost weight and started to wear my tank top and short shorts while running, i started getting a few car honks and I couldn't go a month without it and I enjoyed that attention as a woman. So I can't understand the fuss women make about it. It's just so easy to ignore, especially if a guy shouts out the window at me. Some people are so immature. I am so glad I have learned to ignore stuff and keep living my life. 

I have also looked at other women bodies and other teen bodies while I was growing up because of my own body image issues and I would compare myself to their body. I envied those people because they could dressed that way and still look good because of how skinny they were and how flat their bellies were while I was hiding my body. 

 

But yeah, there are women out there who do dress that way to get attention and to show off their body because I do it. "I am going to wear this outfit to see how much attention it gets me today." It's fun to do it. No that doesn't mean I want to get raped, that excuse and anology needs to die. You are more likely to get raped by someone you know or on your date than by some random stranger in the street. If a random man is desperate for sex, he is going to look for someone who looks vulnerable and not care how she looks or what she has on. He doesn't need to be sexually attracted to her to fuck her. He just wants to get laid because he can't be bothered to use a sex doll. Some might even use a child because they are very easy to manipulate and to keep silent about and are easier to get too, not because they are a pedophile and are sexually attracted to kids, they just want to get sexual pleasure and a child is perfect for that because of how innocent they are and how easy it is to manipulate them and how easy it is to get to them just because they can't find a woman to fuck or are too much a coward to take that risk. 

 

It also doesn't mean I want men to sexually harass me and start talking inappropriate to me but I enjoy hearing "you look good" "you look nice" and talk to me like normal. Like ask how my day is going, what my hobbies are, what I am into, ask me about my lifestyle and the moment I mention my husband and kids, then you know to not go any further than that. Same as if there is anything about me you find a deal breaker. 

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5 hours ago, Bettypooh said:

While I'm positively against child porn, the two parts I underlined shows the paranoid hysteria which gets applied here. If a grown woman or man was the subject matter here, there would be no issue, even though everyone knows that there is going to be some sexual act happening while certain grown women or men see such things. There's a double standard evident, and not only because of age. If vids of kids in a bathtub (not showing below the waist) is illegal to watch then why isn't it illegal to post? And the same for advertisements of kids in swimsuits. Open a newspaper, see kid in swimsuits.Go to a public pool see kids in swimsuits. Ditto the public beach. Why then is online viewing or storing of those images questionable when an equal public exposure isn't? Yet this is how the systems works and until it changes you'd damn well better protect yourself from that system by avoiding any of that. It's the "Thought Police" Orwell spoke of in the book "1984" but that same concept is illegal to apply to anything or anyone else. If those "Thought Cops" wish to use such criteria to determine who needs a closer look I have no problem with that. It's when they take what could easily be an innocent act and turn it into an illegal one that troubles me.

With that much paranoia being applied against me I must take an even more paranoid line of defense against it. I have to. My presence on an ABDL forum already raises a red flag with their paranoid minds, even though I'm just DL and not AB and I would never harm any child. With them being that paranoid I am sure that some of those "Thought Police" would covertly place kiddie pics on my computer so they could get rid of me because their thought processes are that screwed up. They need a Psychiatrist or Therapist or maybe even to be Institutionalized to protect society from them, but instead they get a badge and the authority to create crimes where none exist whenever they can get away with it. And they see no wrong in that but I do. Sane logic tells you that if advertisements of kids in swimsuits or posting non-sexual pics of kids online is legal, then viewing or collecting those pics or vids cannot be wrong unless the first act was equally wrong. It is all legal or it isn't, and until it gets seen that way my advice will be that you avoid anything which could possibly be twisted by their paranoid minds into something which could be used against you because that is exactly what they will do if given a chance. You don't need the hassle even if you can prove your innocence. Get away and stay away or you will end up wishing that you had.

Bettypooh

 

 

This is why I called it borderline child porn. Anything can be made sexual no matter how innocent it is. Someone can write a diaper story using underage characters like ADA and someone can still sexualize it and call it child porn. But you know what, I think that says more about them than about the writer. Heck people have called breast feeding photos sexual and would report them on social media to have them removed only for the moms to fight back about it. That just tells me those who were reporting it were sexualizing it and that was gross of them. Also shame on social media for being dumb and also finding it sexual. 

 

But where do you draw the line for when it becomes illegal? What if a man was fixing someone's computer and he saw a bunch of children photos on the computer and downloaded videos of children that were just innocent videos that were posted online by parents. They were all fully clothes or were naked but had no privates showing and some were even in diapers or on the potty chair or kids doing cute things and they also had model photos of kids who do poses in parenting magazines and fashion. Shall this be reported to the police because this computer owner could be a pedophile and could be jacking off to these photos? What if they were all of diaper changes or just them in diapers and vintage diaper ads and old baby diaper commercials? Better report this to the police in case they are pedophiles? 

 

What if a man did a sex crime on a child and all these were found on their computer, can these be used as evidence against them and charge them with child porn because let's just assume they were jacking off to these photos? What if a witness had stepped forward and said they have seen them jack off to kids getting their diapers changed in videos parents would post? 

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It really depends on how it's reported. I would think that masturbating to minors is illegal, but I have not found anything on that. Regardless, he could be charged with something relevant and be registered as a sex offender if some random bystander were to catch him in the act and report it. The case would end up not necessarily revolving specifically on what he did, but the danger he poses to minors. 

Child porn is defined as rape and nudity with a specific focus on genitalia, so if the video is particularly exposing of the child it could be very hard at the very least to prove that he was not getting his jollies from seeing a naked baby. So, again, it's not the ownership of the videos, but the actions that would be called into question. In a perfect world he would be able to prove that he had no interest in children and that would be that, but intent can be hard to prove and to your average Joe, any sexual interest to anything relevant to children is pedophilia.

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If a person was masturbating in public where minors were present, he would have to register as a sex offender. It doesn't matter if they weren't looking at any minors when they were pleasuring themselves or if they weren't on a playground or in a play area. If a person was looking at a child and getting turned on so they started to pleasure themselves while looking at the child and imaging themselves doing it with the child, registered sex offender they would have to do if reported. But doing it at home in their own house to a computer looking at a innocent photo or video, different story because they are in a private spot and in a safe area where no one can see them. It is still creepy though. 

 

I think you still have to register as a sex offender if you were caught pleasuring yourself and there were no minors around. Times have changed. Now sex offender registry doesn't mean anymore sexual contact with a minor. It could also mean their partner was 18 months younger than them or two years younger or less than a year younger which is why some states have Romeo and Juliet laws to protect people who were close in age. 

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Now sex offender registry doesn't mean anymore sexual contact with a minor. It could also mean their partner was 18 months younger than them or two years younger or less than a year younger which is why some states have Romeo and Juliet laws to protect people who were close in age. 

 

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Assuming the guy is an autonepiophile (one who is asexual but gets arousal from diapers and objects related to babyhood, seriously, it's a thing, look it up), he would still have a difficult time convincing a judge of his nature. Sorry, I thought the aforementioned profile was implied, as I mentioned it in an earlier post.

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@Spokane Girl -  We're on the same page. It's odd that only with a couple of crimes is having the ability to commit them with no further evidence enough to effect an arrest. The obvious wrongness of such a concept is supposedly prohibited Constitutionally and there have been numerous cases backing that up, but not with CP. Yes, protect the innocent children but protect my rights too! 

@vvp39 - Point well made. You can only prove a positive, not a negative, and that is why we're supposed to legally have a presumption of innocence, but in reality we don't get that here. Just because someone has lots of kiddie pics they're a criminal no matter the reason they have those pics, and only because it's possible that someone may be using those pics illegally, and they cannot possibly prove that they were using them only in a legal manner.

So let's get subversive here. If having the ability to commit a crime along with having an unusual amount of contact with what could be criminal is illegal, then we need to jail all the cops for murder because they have a gun (ability) and they are frequently found around known criminals. There have been numerous cases documented in the past of Police committing murder so that is similarly enough justification because the average citizen cannot protect themselves from being shot by a Cop.  Does this logic sound absurd to you? It should because it is absurd, but this is exactly the same reasoning that is used to arrest and prosecute potential pedophiles. And that is why we must be extremely careful to maintain all the distance we can from anything which can be twisted into being used against us even when we've done nothing wrong and will never do anything wrong.

All I'm wanting is one standard for everyone with no exceptions made for anyone. There cannot possibly be any wrong in that. That is the principle we apply everywhere else so there is not any valid reason to do anything differently here. If there is reasonable proof that an actual crime has been or is about to be committed, then let's act on that, but simply having the ability to commit a crime isn't enough proof on it's own. Not even when trying to protect innocent children.

Bettypooh 

 

 

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7 hours ago, horrorfan said:

Assuming the guy is an autonepiophile (one who is asexual but gets arousal from diapers and objects related to babyhood, seriously, it's a thing, look it up), he would still have a difficult time convincing a judge of his nature. Sorry, I thought the aforementioned profile was implied, as I mentioned it in an earlier post.

I once started a thread on ADISC asking about what would it be called if someone was emotionally attracted to kids but not sexually and I wonder if a pedophile can also be asexual. They get attracted to kids but they have no desire for sex and don't have sexual attractions. 

 

Some people don't get sexually attracted to someone until after they have met them and got to know them so if a pedophile is like that, they wouldn't get sexually attracted to kids because they would have to know them first and be with them to get attracted. Also imagine if a pedophile is also sickened by porn so they never look at CP because they find it sick. 

 

Pedophilia is more common than we realize. I've been reading about them. There are pro contact and anti contact pedophiles and anti contact pedophiles share the same thoughts as us about minors while the pro contact believe that kids can consent and have adult relationships and think they only get traumatized because society tells them it's wrong. And the thing is, they don't see anything wrong with this and how fucked up it is and how twisted they are. In their own mind they are just innocent and misunderstood and everyone else is just intolerant towards kids having relationships with adults. The anti contact reject these pedophiles as well like we do. 

I used to talk to a guy online back in 2002-2003 and he was into diapers. He liked diapering his 4 year old niece an changing her and everyone in his family was okay with that. He was also engaged to a woman with kids and one day he was heart broken because his now ex fiance had found a bunch of photos on his computer with kids in diapers and she got the wrong idea and broke up with him and left him with her kids. 

 

Looking back, the fact he only had photos of kids in diapers seems rather creepy. Why only children than adults? You could find photos of adults in diapers back then too but I think you had to pay for those and there were still adults out there that posted photos of themselves in diapers. This was true on message boards too in the 1990's. There are lot of free diaper photos of adults out there. So yes I can see how his fiance got the wrong idea and I wonder as well. At least on ABDL sites, you see photos of adults in diapers so I don't bat an eye if someone posts a vintage diaper commercial or a vintage diaper ad and there is a kid wearing a diaper. 

 

To me there is nothing sexual about a kid wearing diapers but it's also very boring to be looking at photos of them which is why I don't look at any. Someone might be looking at them because they like the prints or like looking at vintage diapers. 

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There is also such a thing as autopedophilia. An autopedophile is attracted to themself at a younger age and will try to recreate that state of mind. They may be sexual or asexual, but this varies, although as mentioned before, autonepiophiles (one attracted to their infant state of mind) tend to be asexual because as an infant they did not comprehend sex and therefore do not have sexual desires associated with this persona. Whether you give Wikipedia credit or not, it's all there. You could also probably peruse medical journals if that's what floats your boat.

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On 9/18/2018 at 8:45 AM, Bettypooh said:

With most things, it's not what you're thinking but what you're doing that counts. It's perfectly legal to think about murdering someone, even to planning it in the finest detail. It's when you begin to act on it that the problems begin. Local news here a couple days ago told of a guy who's going to jail for many because he tried to buy a bomb to blow up some ex-friends, and the "seller" turned out to be Law Enforcement ? Of course buying or making a bomb is illegal, but so is making the attempt to do those things. While I'm sure this guy knew that doing the deed was illegal, I'm not sure than he knew making the attempt without actual doing it was also illegal. The same thing applies here- it is illegal to have children or pictures of them involved in a pornographic manner at any level. Even just viewing online in your own home without ever going outside and doing anything further. Even if you never communicate those thoughts to anyone else. What you or I think of that does not much matter when the law is clear on that point. And most importantly here for the OP is that if you have contact with anyone who is caught breaking that law, you can bet your a$$ that this will be discovered and you're going to be deeply investigated too.

Do try to help those you care about, but if they are bent on a path of self-destruction then get away from them and don't let their problem spill onto you. And if you honestly believe that someone is going to hurt a child then act on that, for children cannot defend themselves against things like this and that responsibility falls on all of the rest of us to see that they are defended, and never come to harm because of things like this.

Some years ago, my best and truest friend ever decided to go back on drugs even though he knew it would positively kill him because of his heart condition. No amount of pleading and trying to give him alternatives would change his mind. No amount of showing my care or concern could change his decision. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done to distance myself from him, for I loved him like the brother he was to me and there were no limits to what I would to to help him out. But his course was set- I couldn't change it no matter what and how I tried- so all I could do was back away slowly and let him go. I've always felt guilty for doing that but really there was nothing else I could do for him or me. I had to limit the damage that was going to happen to me for if I hadn't, I would have likely killed my own self afterward because of my Clinical Depression. Sometimes there is absolutely nothing else you can do for a situation except protect yourself and let the rest of it go as best you can.

Bettypooh

Actually if you plan it to the finest detail it is conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree, you can be charged and convicted for it and it carries a sentence of 7-15 years 

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It's not conspiracy until you do something- open your mouth and speak of the plan, or research the aspects of doing it. It takes more than one thing to conspire ?

Nobody can know what you're thinking of doing which is why the law generally prohibits there being legal action taken until there is clear proof of intent except for CP and a few other things, and that's where I have a problem with how things are being done. Having some non-sexual children's pics all by itself proves nothing, but it is enough to get you jailed, so best to avoid that.

Bettypooh

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The police will actually let the suspect follow through with their plan before arresting them. That is the only way they can get evidence to arrest them. If I was planning to kill my husband and someone reported it, I think the police will go undercover and "work" for me and go with the plan. Instead of killing my husband, they would take him into protective custody and explain what is going on and then they come back and tell me he has been killed and then they would wait for me to pay them before they arrest me right after. Or they have the person who reported me to work undercover for them and they wait for me to pay the person before they come out of their hiding spots to arrest me. The person would have a hidden microphone in their shirt for the police to listen in on our conversation. This is what always happens in movies. I have heard of something like this happening in real life except it was with a bomb. Some kid was going to bomb Pioneer Courthouse Square here in Portland during the Christmas tree lighting but his dad had found out his plan and reported it to the police. The dad had worked with the officers before arresting him but they waited till that day to do it when he was about to follow through. It sounded a lot like a movie except this was real life. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html

 

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