Star Diapers

[DailyDi]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt as it could have been a positive step in the childhood incontinence market. But selling what amounts to a photo book under the guise of a "membership" is creepy. You'd have to buy 10 cases of diapers in 3 months to break even on the membership fee so it's clearly just about the photos

[square_duck]

Didn't say you were ignoring the Star/Tiger connection, was just saying that the beast has been quacking and waddling about on webbed feet for some time, and it bums me out that you had to see a photo of the feathers and the bill before you'd admit what sort of beast it was.

UMMMM

<---isn't a 'beast'

[adriansurley]

Why anyone tries to defend Star Diapers is beyond me - its disgusting. Why ABUniverse chose to anywhere remotely associate with them is also amazing to me...I wonder what they are thinking sometimes.

[Leilin]

UMMMM

<---isn't a 'beast'

Please note: Ducks were only metaphorically harmed in the making of this thread.

... so far. XD

[WBDaddy]

Why anyone tries to defend Star Diapers is beyond me - its disgusting. Why ABUniverse chose to anywhere remotely associate with them is also amazing to me...I wonder what they are thinking sometimes.

Kyle is thinking no one gives him static about selling Tiger stuff, so why would they give him static about selling Star Diapers?

[adriansurley]

Just amazing to me that some people are trying to justify or even rationalize any portion of this when ironically this is the kind of stuff that makes other people look at ABDLs in a negative light.

[WBDaddy]

Just amazing to me that some people are trying to justify or even rationalize any portion of this when ironically this is the kind of stuff that makes other people look at ABDLs in a negative light.

I think it's been a while in this thread since anyone tried to justify/rationalize anything. Kyle is either hopelessly naive and stupid for getting tangled up with Tiger/QD, or he walked in with both eyes open, figuring the creeper contingency was a bigger part of his business than the legit AB community anyway.

The way he reacted on Fetlife makes me think the latter. There was no apology, just an "I don't know what the big fucking deal is" kind of reaction.

[Darkfinn]

Kyle is either hopelessly naive and stupid for getting tangled up with Tiger/QD, or he walked in with both eyes open, figuring the creeper contingency was a bigger part of his business than the legit AB community anyway.

I just have to point out, the "creeper contingency" probably comprises about 50% of the ABDL community. Lots of money to be made catering to their desires if you want to do it. That's where DSpace went wrong and IMO this site isn't far behind... a lot of things here are very borderline.

[DailyDi]

I just have to point out, the "creeper contingency" probably comprises about 50% of the ABDL community. Lots of money to be made catering to their desires if you want to do it. That's where DSpace went wrong and IMO this site isn't far behind... a lot of things here are very borderline.

Where can I improve that? Not trying to borderline.

In thinking about it, I am suspending Jenna's publications (bedwetters magazine, etc.) as that's the only borderline thing I can think of since it contains true stories about bedwetters.

[Darkfinn]

Where can I improve that? Not trying to borderline.

I know you make money off of all this content and the site sponsors, it's part of the game. But frankly if you don't want the bad reputation some things are going to have to go. If I were you I'd really focus on cleaning this place up and making sure the content is all related to intelligent adults consentually participating in adult activities.

The first thing I would do is to make a hard rule against any content containing persons under the age of 18... real or fictional. We all know some people come here to get off, and you really don't want to give the impression that some folks here are using childhood anecdotes or stories and roleplay scenes containing children to get their jollies. We've even got some folks on here whose avatar pictures are kids. When it comes to minors you can't be safe enough, so it's best to simply disallow any use or mention of minors period.

Secondly, I would consider cutting ties with ABU. They've done too many things and made too many associations with suspicious or down right nasty people (Deek, Kyle, etc.). I realize lots of ABDLs buy their products but IMO the people behind it are raising some red flags, especially with this whole BMX diaper thing.

Third, I would get rid of the "Phone-a-mommy" stuff. It's low quality, it's trashy, it doesn't project that intelligent adult image. It's a laughing stock over on FL and DSpace caught a lot of flak for it too.

Fourth, I would take out the trash. There are some members here who post controversial or downright nasty stuff... we all know who they are. In the name of increasing the quality of this site I'd kick the creepers/pervs and HNGs to the curb. You may come off as an asshole by doing it, but let's be honest... there is an entire community of young, hip, active ABDLs who won't touch this place with a ten-and-a-half foot pole because it has gotten a reputation as a creeper haven.

If you want DD to be not only the largest ABDL site on the 'net but also the best you've got to offer the best in content.

Now this is simply my two cents... run with it, ignore it, as you please. You asked, so there it is.

[diaperedandspanked]

I guess you didnt notice the under age boy in diapers

Because some underage boys actually do wear diapers, the site states the kid is a professional model, what's the big deal.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

I know you make money off of all this content and the site sponsors, it's part of the game. But frankly if you don't want the bad reputation some things are going to have to go. If I were you I'd really focus on cleaning this place up and making sure the content is all related to intelligent adults consentually participating in adult activities.

If you want DD to be not only the largest ABDL site on the 'net but also the best you've got to offer the best in content.

As a practical matter, "intelligent" and "best" as defined by who?

Secondly, I would consider cutting ties with ABU. They've done too many things and made too many associations with suspicious or down right nasty people (Deek, Kyle, etc.). I realize lots of ABDLs buy their products but IMO the people behind it are raising some red flags, especially with this whole BMX diaper thing.

I've heard stories about them for years, nostly about not delivering

Fourth, I would take out the trash. There are some members here who post controversial or downright nasty stuff...

OMG! !Horror!! we don't want anything controversial Nothing but plain vanilla

but let's be honest... there is an entire community of young, hip, active ABDLs who won't touch this place with a ten-and-a-half foot pole

Yeah! Now you're talkin'! let's kill off everyone over 35, we'll call our killers "Sandmen". Do the old codgers get a chance to leave voluntarily?

[BabyChris121675]

Ok, I was pretty much going to avoid posting but I agree that there are places in the AB community I won't do business with, and QD/ABU is one of them. I also agree with Phone-a-Mommy- which I won't use because it's trashy, expensive and a waste of my time. I don't need phone sex and I think it's low-brow myself.

The membership thing is a new development that upsets me a bit because I find it disgusting and creepy. I won't spend $99 on that or one of the catalouges. That's just inviting the FBI over for a visit. I am not going to be surprised if and when law enforcement gets wind of the thing and goes after QD/Tiger/ABU at some point. I'm sorry- but that just creeps me out.

When I first saw this explode into what it was I felt disgusted and I still feel disgusted by the whole thing of backing QD/Tiger Underwear/ABU and what have you. The AB community is something I enjoy and I do agree that something needs to be done about the questionable elements. I won't be buying from ABU, or the other places as I have no desire to get a visit from the FBI if something goes down and it eventually will I think. I don't want to be involved in something that I feel is questionable. I feel that ABU/Kyle is rather naive as to who he does buisness with. Even I had considered ordering some of Tiger's trainers at one point but once I learned more about the company I said, NO THANK YOU. I let my money do my talking if you will.

I still find the pictures of that model to be creepy and I always will. In my mind I think of what if that was one of my nephews and how I would react. If it was one of my nephews, I would go ballistic and call it in. I would be livid, pissed enough and ready to bash something with my baseball bat.

I would report it and explain why it's questionable. If I were that model's parents, I'd do a little bit more research before exposing their child to this whole thing. If I had kids, would I let them model for something that could be used for that kind of thing- HELL NO. In fact, if someone had asked me to let my kids do it- I would turn their asses in. I hardly buy their excuse that those were manufactured for bedwetting kids and teens. Sorry, but I have my doubts on that one.

Just my thought on this. This is really to me; taken a disturbing turn for the worst.

BabyChris121675

[Necros]

As a practical matter, "intelligent" and "best" as defined by who?

I've heard stories about them for years, nostly about not delivering

OMG! !Horror!! we don't want anything controversial Nothing but plain vanilla

Yeah! Now you're talkin'! let's kill off everyone over 35, we'll call our killers "Sandmen". Do the old codgers get a chance to leave voluntarily?

This.

Didn't read the entire thread because i don't have the time but i can agree that the site is really creepy (creepier than the old forum i was on long ago called [That OTHER site]).

Pedophiles creep me out :x

[Leilin]

Because some underage boys actually do wear diapers, the site states the kid is a professional model, what's the big deal.

Because depiction of a minor in a context which has a purpose of sexual gratification for adults, either explicit or implicit, is at the very least incredibly creepy and at the most quite illegal.

But hey, keep rationalizing and pretending that the hundred dollar catalog is there to show their product. Because that's totally normal, right? They are charging people to look at pictures of a barely clothed minor. Step back, read that again, and stop trying to rationalize the creepy act as something it isn't.

As for sites being creepy/not: This site has an HNG problem. D-space has a much worse HNG problem. I get approximately 24 times as many blind, gross messages from HNGs there as I do here.

Yes. The HNGs, those who would involve children in this, and, to a degree, the persistent exhibitionists who would subject the unwilling to their fetish, need to be ejected. The message that we send by not pointedly rejecting those maladjusted individuals is that we support their actions, whether or not we actually do.

[DailyDi]

Because depiction of a minor in a context which has a purpose of sexual gratification for adults, either explicit or implicit, is at the very least incredibly creepy and at the most quite illegal.

This. When they were simply marketing diapers to their expected audience (kids and young adults) I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Now that they are selling "catalogs" with the photos for large sums of money - with plans to make it a monthly thing - they have moved into the TB photo market, where a medical company shouldn't be.

This is an actual post on their blog:

Howard said on 9/28/11 - 07:20PM The September magazine was great and I look forward to October's. I wish there was a subscription or discount rate as I plan to continue purchasing these hard copy catalogs as long as the quality continues. Keep up the good work!

Doesn't sound like a bedwetter or loving parent to me.

[WBDaddy]

Regarding cleanup, DD, I'm looking at an ad at the bottom of my screen right now that needs to be thrown out with the trash - "Seekbang.com, the Facebook of sex" - featuring pictures of girls sucking cock and lots of bare tits and asses. That's trashy, dude.

[WBDaddy]

I'm still going to object to the stories thing. Unless someone is depicting children having sexual content with adults in their stories, there's nothing wrong with it.

I've seen nothing in the story forum that would qualify as kiddie porn. The stuff involving BDSM or other sexual matters is confined to adult characters, and the stuff involving kids is kept clean. If DD suddenly cracks down on underage characters in stories, he may as well close down the story forum and the RP forum, because both are fraught with it.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

I have to agree with you, for one thing, if you remove all childhood references, there goes the whole ageplay and AB contingent out the door. Besides which that would be yielding legitimacy to the crowed that does things by inuendo and muddies the waters, which means they gain more power. Then there is the concept of "what is sexual"? Has anyone here ever been a 16 year old high school Junior called upon to do a stand-up reading or recitation at "the worst possible time". Now, the sex organ was involved but could you really make the case that the boy was having a thing for body temperature? The organ in both sexes mrerel respond to heat and pressure and do not know from nothing. If that is what one considers "sexual" then one has to be pretty shallow

On the other hand, this was proposed by two incons for whom diapers have a different meaning than for AB/AK/DL's and at whose profiles I looked to see their level of openness, finding neither gallery nor blog.

Beyond that, I tend to wonder if this thread has not or is about to jump the shark, in that there is not real new content here related to Star Diapers, just us holding forth ideas on what to do here

[Leilin]

I don't think the site needs to be scrubbed of references to childhood. What it needs to be scrubbed of is obvious sexualization of children.

[puffybedwetter]

This. When they were simply marketing diapers to their expected audience (kids and young adults) I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Now that they are selling "catalogs" with the photos for large sums of money - with plans to make it a monthly thing - they have moved into the TB photo market, where a medical company shouldn't be.

This is an actual post on their blog:

Doesn't sound like a bedwetter or loving parent to me.

I feel awkward when wearing those BMX diapers now.... I'm still ordering a case of Fabine, and that will be just about it with ABU. Good thing I use an Alias and a UPS address when I've ordered from them.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

I don't think the site needs to be scrubbed of references to childhood. What it needs to be scrubbed of is obvious sexualization of children.

Most early AB stories had as main characters very young children who were diapered or punished or what have you. Especially the Amber E and DPF stories from the 1980's and nobody bat an eyelash, it was considered that these characters were "stand-in"s for the reader of such stories. Amber E's 1976(?) story A LIFE SPENT IN DIAPERS was all about a 6 year old boy put in baby diaper punishment and the DPF NL had a gay story about a "4 year old 'Marky'" who gets his diaper undone by his "daddy" who then has some "fun" with him. We all know who this was about

[DailyDi]

Story rules aren't changing, this is an age-play site, and readers are meant to put themselves in the role of the child, not actual kids.

[~*PrincessZozo*~]

Story rules aren't changing, this is an age-play site, and readers are meant to put themselves in the role of the child, not actual kids.

You did say you were looking to reevaluate the rules, guess you're not going to now.

[attendsdiapers]

I think people are being too harsh on DD, personally. Yes, I agree that many of the sites are, um, well, disgusting that are advertised here, but I just choose not to go to them. I do enjoy the info and camaraderie here and am grateful for that.

I also am re-evaluating my purchases with ABU. I do love the Super-Dry-Kids diapers, and the other discounts that they frequently offer. I also did order a bag of the BMX diapers when they first came out, and am regretting that decision. I am hoping "they" know that they were for me, and not for somebody else. I like the diapers, but in retrospect, they are overpriced and for that and these other new revelations, I won't be ordering those again. Guess I should just stick with the reputable Bambino's and other "regular" less exciting diapers.