Political Revelation

[TDL]

I've thought this through for a long time, and I've found myself to be conservative... My position matches perfect with the right flank.

Remember November!

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

so your long thinking lead to ignorance of economic regulation, hatred of non-white and LGBT people, and fear of social progress?

[AlliR]

Hmmmmm,

Politics......if I add sex & religion, that rounds out the top three "third rail" subjects where folks draw lines and prepare for battle.

I don't think I'll go there.

[TDL]

so your long thinking lead to ignorance of economic regulation, hatred of non-white and LGBT people, and fear of social progress?

But what about the taxes?

Unemployment hits 10.1%, freedom for the American people (or lack of thereof) is also a big problem.

But trust me, danish politics and American politics shouldn't be compared.

[BoTox]

so your long thinking lead to ignorance of economic regulation, hatred of non-white and LGBT people, and fear of social progress?

Careful, your intolerance and ignorance are showing. That is not what conservatism is about. The conservative view could care less about the color of your skin, your gender or sexual orientation. Only when attempts to make it an issue by demanding special privileges and calling them rights do conservatives care.

A true conservative does not want to make every thing government controlled. Social progress, as you call it, is purely and simply GREED by the government that doesn't have the money to give to someone because they didn't earn it. Instead they confiscate it from those that have worked hard and toiled for wages under threat of fine or prison.

A true conservative does not believe their is anything "too big to fail" and never will. Failure is nature's way of culling the dinosaurs to make room for the newer entities that are better equipped. Liberal/Socialist government has caused all of the problems we are battling today because too many expect too much from too few. Nobody is owed a comfortable life, free healthcare and income for life by virtue of being born in the USA. America is the land of opportunity. You have to do something with that opportunity instead of whining about how you can't this or you don't that.

So, don't paint with a broad brush, you just might wind up getting paint all over yourself.

[freswith]

so your long thinking lead to ignorance of economic regulation, hatred of non-white and LGBT people, and fear of social progress?

I don't think a conservative in Denmark is quite the same as one in the USA.

I don't think a different view of a given subject is "ignorance".

I don't think seeking a different style of social progress counts as being afraid of it.

Naughty Ashes, I think you need to think a little longer!

[redneck diaper boy]

You bet I will remember. I plan to send the government a message from the polling place on November 2. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that America is headed down the road to Marxism. The American public is mad and we are not going to take it any more!

Obama's books and the writings of Saul Alinsky should open anyone's eyes. Obama is a Marxist.

The conservative Republicans saw the financial train werck comming and attempted to stop it. They did not have a sufficient majority to stop it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Most of America's problems can be traced to people that call themselves "progressive" or liberal. America's problems originate from liberal politicians with vote buying schemes. Most of the "progressives" were Democrats with the exception of Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt envisioned and attempted to place private industry under government control. Woodrow Wilson gave us income tax and turned our money system over to a private bank (The Federal Reserve). Franklin Roosevelt gave us the bad deal, Social inSecurity and created the pathway to socialism. Lyndyn Johnson gave us the Civil Rights Act which allowed everyone to discriminate against white people. Medicare and Medicaid were also socialist notions of LBJ. It was LBJ who was responsible for the high cost of healthcare because the US government programs gave healthcare providers a license to steal. Jimmy Carter gave us the Community Reinvestment Act which encouraged banks to write mortgages to people with bad credit. President Jimmy gave us double digit un-employment, double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. Bill Clinton ignored the Republican crys to regulate government sponcered entreprises that lead to the banking fallout of today.

Most people call me a "right wing extremist"! I had a Russian professor that escaped from Stalin. As a young child I participated in nuclear bomb drills. In my early years I was constantly reminded of the evils of Marxism. Being a "cold war" baby gave me an attitude. Growing up in the early 60's had a drastic effect on my personal outlook on things. Now we have a Communist piece of shit in the Oval Office!

I've thought this through for a long time, and I've found myself to be conservative... My position matches perfect with the right flank.

Remember November!

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

so your long thinking lead to ignorance of economic regulation, hatred of non-white and LGBT people, and fear of social progress?

Wowl, you really gave it to her!!! I love the way yougmarshalled your facts, then showed brilliantly valid reasoning and were so erudite that you won by sheer force of intellect. And your demostration of telepathy.....worthy of Uri Geller himself! It is called the Fallacy of the Argumentum Ad Homenem And you say that I am arrogant?! A little projection there? I hope you do not consider yourself an intellectual after that display

Thanks to the personal attack based approach the libs are going down the drain faster than Liquid Plumber. Many of the LG's that I know were over on the Right

[Honu]

Hej and Goddag!

I learned that much Danish honestly by visiting Kopenhaven while I was on active duty in the U. S. Marine Corps. I served to protect the voting rights guaranteed to the citizens of my country in the Constitution and visited Denmark as a NATO alli. In that regard, I was also supporting your political rights too.

I would love to visit Tivoli Gardens again and get another poster from there. I got one during that trip in 1986, but my ex-wife stole it. It was a reprint of a Tivoli poster from aroung 1908 and was really cool. Well, that's why she stole it. Anyway, I'm sure that Tivoli has something artful to offer still.

Hej Hej,

Honu

[KittenAB]

Financially I'm conservative, laws I am moderate, religion I am scientific, environment I am selfish (I want it preserved so I can enjoy it), war I am liberal (make love and all that), meh ... really no one fits 100% into any political group, as long as you don't think like Palin, it's all good.

[sarah_ab]

But what about the taxes?

Unemployment hits 10.1%, freedom for the American people (or lack of thereof) is also a big problem.

But trust me, danish politics and American politics shouldn't be compared.

freedom for the american people should always include ALL american people, including those with gender identify which can't be wrapped up nicely into male or female.... and those who's sexuallity isn't simply heterosexual, and those who's skin color can't be nicely quanitified by checking a box, etc...etc...

just had to say, all american people means all

but realy freedom IS a fundamental human right for allllll people, unfortunately not all governments, of even all people, realize this yet...

[ArtemisEnterri]

The biggest problem are the people with the "entitlement" mindset (who look at what their neighbor has and say "If he/she has it, I *deserve* it too.").

Plain and simple mathematical fact: If you didn't WORK to EARN it, you ABSOLUTELY DON'T DESERVE IT! (In the words of one of America's GREATEST presidents - who happened to be a CONSERVATIVE Democrat - "Ask NOT what your country can do for you, but rather ask what YOU can do for your country." - JFK, assassinated because of his views.)

The whole concept of "redistribution of wealth" is government THEFT! What would happen if EVERYONE applied for "social" programs, and NO ONE was working to pay the taxes to fund those programs? The programs would collapse, just like the USSR collapsed.

Unemployment is a symptom, excessive taxes and regulations are the factors, but big government (which the liberals believe in) is the DISEASE that MUST BE CURED on November 2nd! Only by reducing government interference in our daily lives (both at the personal and business levels) can America survive and regain its position as the GREATEST country in the world!

In past decades, other countries wanted to emulate America (and people fled their countries to come to America, LEGALLY), now we have politicians in America who think they can emulate the practices that UTTERLY FAILED in other countries (while assuming they can prevent matching failures).

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

But what about the taxes?

Unemployment hits 10.1%, freedom for the American people (or lack of thereof) is also a big problem.

But trust me, danish politics and American politics shouldn't be compared.

What about taxes? They pay for infrastructure, healthcare, educational systems, and a safetynet for the poor and impoverished.

Yes, and where were the republicans when lobbyists, banks and corporations were re-writing the rules of greed that created such a mess. Particularly where was the executive branch providing oversight?

Yes, you are right. I didn't occur to me you were talking about Danish politics. I'm a stupid American. Although, from a sheer philosophical position, conservatism is wrong headed no matter what state its embraced by.

Careful, your intolerance and ignorance are showing. That is not what conservatism is about. The conservative view could care less about the color of your skin, your gender or sexual orientation. Only when attempts to make it an issue by demanding special privileges and calling them rights do conservatives care.

A true conservative does not want to make every thing government controlled. Social progress, as you call it, is purely and simply GREED by the government that doesn't have the money to give to someone because they didn't earn it. Instead they confiscate it from those that have worked hard and toiled for wages under threat of fine or prison.

A true conservative does not believe their is anything "too big to fail" and never will. Failure is nature's way of culling the dinosaurs to make room for the newer entities that are better equipped. Liberal/Socialist government has caused all of the problems we are battling today because too many expect too much from too few. Nobody is owed a comfortable life, free healthcare and income for life by virtue of being born in the USA. America is the land of opportunity. You have to do something with that opportunity instead of whining about how you can't this or you don't that.

So, don't paint with a broad brush, you just might wind up getting paint all over yourself.

Regarding, "Special rights" - conservatives pretend race/sex/gender doesn't matter only in order to preserve the status quo of inequity that occurs in all manner of our culture. Of course, those classes shouldn't matter in a situation where the playing field was essentially equal for everyone. The fact is, women are consistently paid less then men, hold fewer positions of power. Black people prior to civil rights legislation were forced to sit in the back of the bus and use inferior facilieties for gods sake! Lets not even get into how gay people are mistreated at the hand of employers/every day folk. All the left wants to do is level the playing field.

re: greed. So Greed by corporations, hedge fund managers, and bankers is some how better? Even if it is anti-competitive, abusive, and sometimes at the expense of all the little people?

re: crazy libertarian view of freedom. Yeah and in order to pursue this so called opportunity, you need certain basic things guaranteed. There is such a thing as positive liberty. Conservatives get much to wrapped up in negative liberty. Or how about we chop off one of your legs and then have a race? The race is still fair right? You still have the opportunity to win!

I don't think a conservative in Denmark is quite the same as one in the USA.

I don't think a different view of a given subject is "ignorance".

I don't think seeking a different style of social progress counts as being afraid of it.

Naughty Ashes, I think you need to think a little longer!

Yes, true. Although, to quote a brit, "All Torries are bollocks!"

Conservatives have an intense nostalgia for "the good ole days" and have an intense desire to maintain the political status quo. Doesn't sound like progress to me.

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Lyndyn Johnson gave us the Civil Rights Act which allowed everyone to discriminate against white people.

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I think that speaks for the nature of hatred and bigotry at the core of Republican party...

Wowl, you really gave it to her!!! I love the way yougmarshalled your facts, then showed brilliantly valid reasoning and were so erudite that you won by sheer force of intellect. And your demostration of telepathy.....worthy of Uri Geller himself! It is called the Fallacy of the Argumentum Ad Homenem And you say that I am arrogant?! A little projection there? I hope you do not consider yourself an intellectual after that display

Thanks to the personal attack based approach the libs are going down the drain faster than Liquid Plumber. Many of the LG's that I know were over on the Right

Yes, because her initial post was such an eloquent soliloquy on the merits of conservative politics it warranted an essay in reply.

As for you and your so-called righty "LGs." Yes, i'm sure the republican party really embraces you old dudes dressing up in little girl clothing and pretending you are sprinkling fairy dust all about. The conservative party does not have a leg to stand on without the "moral majority" and those idiots would rather crucify you then look at you. After all, doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that men shouldn't dress in the garb of women?

[ArtemisEnterri]

What about taxes? They pay for infrastructure, healthcare, educational systems, and a safetynet for the poor and impoverished.

Where in the US Constitution are healthcare, education, or a "safetynet for the poor and impoverished" listed as powers granted to the federal government?

NOWHERE! People should be responsible for those things THEMSELVES, NOT the government!

Yes, and where were the republicans when lobbyists, banks and corporations were re-writing the rules of greed that created such a mess. Particularly where was the executive branch providing oversight?

At that time, the republicans held MINORITY status in Washington, they COULD NOT stop it. And the executive branch was held by a liberal leftist.

Regarding, "Special rights" - conservatives pretend race/sex/gender doesn't matter only in order to preserve the status quo of inequity that occurs in all manner of our culture. Of course, those classes shouldn't matter in a situation where the playing field was essentially equal for everyone. The fact is, women are consistently paid less then men, hold fewer positions of power. Black people prior to civil rights legislation were forced to sit in the back of the bus and use inferior facilieties for gods sake! Lets not even get into how gay people are mistreated at the hand of employers/every day folk. All the left wants to do is level the playing field.

A "level playing field" is NOT the job of the government. An employer should have EVERY RIGHT IN THE UNIVERSE to pick and choose who they wish to hire WITHOUT government interference. Do you have any idea how many QUALIFIED non-minority workers were discriminated against in the name of "equality" just to have equal numbers of minority employees (many of whom were proven after the fact to be UNQUALIFIED for the positions they were placed in)??? No human being should have any special status based on their skin color, their religion, their sexual preferences or identity, etc. People should be hired/promoted/fired based on their skills, their abilities, and the content of their character!

re: greed. So Greed by corporations, hedge fund managers, and bankers is some how better? Even if it is anti-competitive, abusive, and sometimes at the expense of all the little people?

re: crazy libertarian view of freedom. Yeah and in order to pursue this so called opportunity, you need certain basic things guaranteed. There is such a thing as positive liberty. Conservatives get much to wrapped up in negative liberty. Or how about we chop off one of your legs and then have a race? The race is still fair right? You still have the opportunity to win!

If it wasn't for corporations there would not be JOBS! Stop playing the class warfare game, that is a liberal agenda item. The only way everyone can be on an even level is if everyone becomes POOR. Everyone CANNOT be "rich" at the same time. When was the last time a "poor" person was hiring people? Just like when playing any sport (whether baseball, basketball, tennis, golf, football, soccer, etc) both teams CANNOT win unless there is an exact even tie between them, one must win and one must lose.

LEGAL justice is the ONLY justice, "SOCIAL" justice is a JOKE and a FRAUD. "Fair" is a BIASED term, because what might be "fair" to one person, could be seen as "unfair" to another. I don't think it is fair that a MINORITY group (whether religious, racial, etc) gets more of a voice in a debate than the MAJORITY group. If 20 people agree on a topic but 2 do not, why should those 2 have more voice than the 20? (or 200 vs 20, or 2000 vs 200, etc...) Whenever a vote is taken in a group setting, the MAJORITY vote is the winning vote, otherwise the vote is invalid.

Yes, true. Although, to quote a brit, "All Torries are bollocks!"

Conservatives have an intense nostalgia for "the good ole days" and have an intense desire to maintain the political status quo. Doesn't sound like progress to me.

I think that speaks for the nature of hatred and bigotry at the core of Republican party...

Being American, I'm not going to touch the "Torries" reference.

There is a difference between progress to MOVE FORWARD and the progressive agenda which has been slowly ERODING THE CORE VALUES OF AMERICAN LIFE for a few decades!

And the only "hatred and bigotry" I see in the political landscape is how the LEFT always call the Republicans racist. It was REPUBLICANS who came up with the idea for the Civil Rights movement, DEMOCRATS originally tried to PREVENT it - look up the REAL history, not the bullsh^t the school systems are teaching now.

Ashes, I'm sorry, but from every post you've made in this thread, you've shown yourself to be a follower of the mainstream media (which is owned lock, stock, and barrel) by DEMOCRATS. You have shown yourself to be a FOLLOWER not a THINKER. Just because ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR "report" something, does NOT mean it is true.

Case in point: the mainstream media UNDERREPORTED the number of attendees at Glenn Beck's 8/28 rally, then OVERREPORTED the number of attendees at the left-wing 10/2/10 rally. There were MORE people at 8/28 than at 10/2/10, there are aerial photos to PROVE IT! Yet the media spun it that the lefties had a better turnout than the right. Why? Because they (the left) want the people to believe them (the left) and not us (the right). (Also, the people at Glenn Beck's event CLEANED UP AFTER THEMSELVES, while the people at the left-wing 10/2/10 TRASHED DC and left it for the Public Works people to clean up... And the left wants to be considered the better party?!?!?!)

[KittenAB]

Both main parties fail ... just in different areas.

[TDL]

Both main parties fail ... just in different areas.

Yes, and that is why we should widen our sight and look at other areas of the many problems.

[BoTox]

Again with the broad brush strokes. Not all Republicans are conservatives and not all Democrats are liberals. Party means less to me than right or left leaning politics. Federal government should protect the country as a whole by securing our borders, defending the nation against attack and the like. The states should be the ones with the remaining powers.

[KittenAB]

Again with the broad brush strokes. Not all Republicans are conservatives and not all Democrats are liberals. Party means less to me than right or left leaning politics. Federal government should protect the country as a whole by securing our borders, defending the nation against attack and the like. The states should be the ones with the remaining powers.

True ... there really isn't a difference between parties either, just they pander to certain types through their words. Otherwise their actions are always the same: look out for the government and make the people think it's in their best interest.

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

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Artemis, you are a FauxNews-ite, i'm not going to convince you of anything, so i'm not even going to try. Just continue your chant. Hail Beck! Hail Beck!

Again with the broad brush strokes. Not all Republicans are conservatives and not all Democrats are liberals. Party means less to me than right or left leaning politics. Federal government should protect the country as a whole by securing our borders, defending the nation against attack and the like. The states should be the ones with the remaining powers.

Well, since you want to shift the ground of the discussion. Your point regrding political leaning and party affiliation, I agree with. when I say Republican and Democrat. I only mean those in their respective parties who hold the mainstream to extremist view. Not radical moderates, blue dog democrats, etc etc. Personally I think both major parties are too conservative. I vote democrat out of sheer political pragmatism.

Regarding the federalist debate. before entering a discussion on it, i'd first like to know why you think states are better governing bodies then a federal government? Because it says so in the constitution is not a good reason, I want to know why you think it should be in the constitution.

[DailyDi]

[ArtemisEnterri]

Artemis, you are a FauxNews-ite, i'm not going to convince you of anything, so i'm not even going to try. Just continue your chant. Hail Beck! Hail Beck!

Gee, Ashes, "faux" is the French word for FAKE. You are basically saying that, since Fox News doesn't follow the Obama and company orders to report only what Obama and the democrats want reported, Fox is reporting FAKE information. Again you PROVE yourself to be a FOLLOWER and NOT a THINKER. A THINKER would RESEARCH the "news report", a FOLLOWER blindly accepts the report. A THINKER would see the blatant attacks by the left against the right, a FOLLOWER believes the attacks are gospel truth and repeats it to everyone they know. Just like classic "fencepost gossip", doesn't matter whether it is true or not, if it's sensational enough (or the hearer believes the speaker without feeling any need to confirm the story) it gets repeated over and over again.

And for your information, I get my news from many sources, including the internet, not JUST Fox. Most of the time I don't even watch news on the TV or read the newspaper. I'll see the little "upcoming story" bits during commercials in shows I watch on the major networks, but then I RESEARCH the story, instead of blindly believing what the reporter/anchor says during the news broadcast.

Well, since you want to shift the ground of the discussion. Your point regrding political leaning and party affiliation, I agree with. when I say Republican and Democrat. I only mean those in their respective parties who hold the mainstream to extremist view. Not radical moderates, blue dog democrats, etc etc. Personally I think both major parties are too conservative. I vote democrat out of sheer political pragmatism.

Regarding the federalist debate. before entering a discussion on it, i'd first like to know why you think states are better governing bodies then a federal government? Because it says so in the constitution is not a good reason, I want to know why you think it should be in the constitution.

Why do you think the federal government should have so much power? Are you too lazy to think for yourself, to make your own decisions, to take the blame for your own mistakes? It is YOUR job to think and do for yourself and to accept the blame when YOU make mistakes. It is NOT the government's job to provide an income, healthcare, retirement, etc for you (or anyone else). If YOU do not work to take care of yourself, you have NO ONE to blame BUT YOURSELF. Don't tell me that the taxes deducted from MY paychecks should pay for something for YOU. I don't expect YOU to pay for something for ME.

[Little-Daddy-Toa]

Wow........i'm not even going to join this Conversation. I have my own views and that's all i care about.

[freswith]

Yes, true. Although, to quote a brit, "All Torries are bollocks!"

Conservatives have an intense nostalgia for "the good ole days" and have an intense desire to maintain the political status quo. Doesn't sound like progress to me.

By the way, it's "Briton", "Tories",..... and "bollocks" is hardly a considered political thesis.

You appear to get your opinions about Conservatives from Noddy's Guide to Thinking. Conservatives do not necessarily have a nostalgia for the "good old days"; Mrs Thatcher was very much a radical, and under her we made very rapid progress, both economically and socially. She rubbished the ideas of "Marxist Inevitability" and "The man in Whitehall knows best" and a lot of other "bollocks" that had been the accepted dogma. The rubbishing got as far as the Soviet Union, where Marxism suddenly became so last year. The left has no monopoly on progress.

As Churchill said; "If you aren't a Socialist at twenty, you've got no heart. If you're still a Socialist at thirty, you've got no brain."

TDL might be several years younger than you, Naughty Ashes, but politically she seems to be much more mature.

It's time to grow up, child.

[KittenAB]

By the way, it's "Briton", "Tories",..... and "bollocks" is hardly a considered political thesis.

You appear to get your opinions about Conservatives from Noddy's Guide to Thinking. Conservatives do not necessarily have a nostalgia for the "good old days"; Mrs Thatcher was very much a radical, and under her we made very rapid progress, both economically and socially. She rubbished the ideas of "Marxist Inevitability" and "The man in Whitehall knows best" and a lot of other "bollocks" that had been the accepted dogma. The rubbishing got as far as the Soviet Union, where Marxism suddenly became so last year. The left has no monopoly on progress.

As Churchill said; "If you aren't a Socialist at twenty, you've got no heart. If you're still a Socialist at thirty, you've got no brain."

TDL might be several years younger than you, Naughty Ashes, but politically she seems to be much more mature.

It's time to grow up, child.

There's the crux of the whole political mess and how politicians get away with screwing us. Most people just really only know a little bit about parties and political alignments, I hear people claiming to be conservative saying "liberals are dirty hippies" and people claiming to be liberal saying "conservatives are racist pigs." Then those who think they like the Dem party saying "greedy Republicans" and those who like Rep saying "Democrats are lazy" ... yet really, the only thing both parties want is your money, they just justify taking it differently. As for the alignments, no one fits into just one, everyone has a little of each, and that's how it should be, putting binary labels on people is just impossible.

[Guest NaughtyAshes]

It's time to grow up, child.

This conversation has left the realm of the serious..so..

Check into the home already, baby boomer, you've ruined the world enough.