DaveeBEd

Having achieved dual IC I never have to push but sometimes don't realise I've pooped as much as I have until I change or feel the weight in my diaper. Also when I break wind something always gets released but I never have a clue as to how much it will be

Me too

I think this depends on what you're trying to achieve? Are you trying to untrain yourself so you gradually lose all control which was my goal or do you want to sit in a wet diaper from time to time. If you want to become IC then you should never let your bladder become full, you must train yourself to relax to the extent that whenever you become aware of your bladder you simply let the pee ooze out however little its holding at the time. By doing this on an on-going basis, the bladder will shrink in size and the sphincter muscles will gradually atrophy meaning over time both capacity and control are lost. However if you do just want to get the occasional kick from wearing a wet diaper then just force it out. However a warning, if you do this when your bladder is really full you do run the chance of flooding and your diaper leaking. The best of luck with whatever path you choose.

All I can say is that contrary to what pcbaby2011 says after 18 months of wearing 24/7 I have become both bladder and bowel incontinent or perhaps its my imagination that I wake up in a wet diaper most mornings and feel my diaper becoming heavier during the day often having no real indication of when I wet myself.

After 12 months or so of going to bed diapered I'd practically given up on the prospect of ever becoming a genuine bedwetter then over the space of a month or so I went from occasional wetting to practically every night. Now after 16 months I consistently wake up wet or in the middle of peeing.

I settled on Tena about 6 months in to going 24/7 they're great however today I ordered some different ones from AgeUK over here so I'll test those when they arrive

A follow on to this for those in the UK, earlier today I looked on to the AgeUK website. I never realised it gave so much help and support to IC people. I just ordered a free "I Just Can't Wait" card which I can show in a shop or anywhere that has a non public toilet letting me go in to change. I have also ordered their Diapers noticeably cheaper then my usual Tena brand. So a greta find. No questions asked on-line and I'm supporting charity!

Do you want to lose control, or do you just like wearing diapers and peeing in them when you need to go. When I first tried going 24/7 years ago and giving up soon after I was basically following my old body habits but wearing diapers. But following the 12 month programme more or less and definitely after 16 months it has got me to the stage of having virtually zero control, so it really does work and I never thought I'd be able to get to where I am today when I started out this time around, I was very dubious but I've really surprised myself.

I'm sure you'll get some responses on here, but it would help if you out a location on your profile. I am IC but Gay!

That's great

The very best of luck with your journey, I've recorded my untraining on the Forum. I look forward to reading yours! It looks like you're making very good progress after 6 months

Good for you. There's no going back for me either, even if that was physically possible now which I rather doubt

Mark thanks for your honesty as always,

Can I ask why you're worried about becoming bedwetter? If you go to bed diapered surely you wouldn't mind waking up wet?

Can I ask how long into you wearing 24/7 did your erectile dysfunction symptoms start to appear?

My close friends know I chose to untrain myself whereas I've told work colleagues that I've developed a medical problem resulting in me becoming increasingly incontinent

That's exactly how I want it to be watching it seep pee and knowing its useless for anything else

As I mentioned earlier i made a few half hearted attempts at wearing 24/7 in the past, but I gave up after a few weeks. I think about 5 weeks was the longest that i lasted. I think that this time the fundamental differences were that I was older and starting to feel that it was now or never and also after the break-up of a relationship found myself living alone for the first time in years. Also 90% of the time I work from home which clearly made wearing 24/7 a much easier prospect. I have three main clients each of whom I meet about once per month. I provide HR consulting services to relatively small businesses that can't justify a full-time Human Resources Department. Two of my main contacts are women who both know I'm gay., I've been open about that for c20 years and I have a good relationship with them both. Whilst I didn't look forward to having the conversation with them, I knew that by doing so it would further cement my goals in my mind. I told them I'd developed a bad case of IBS and that to accept my apologies if I suddenly had to rush to the toilet at short notice. Over the next few months I reinforced this with them saying atet the treatment wasn't working and I may end up as bowel IC. They couldn't have been more understanding knowing I'm a HR specialist asking if they need to make any changes to the office to accommodate me etc. This also meant that I had left the option of recovery open if I backed out as I had in the past. The third client is a very hetero male I had a similar conversation and he was extremely embarrassed and we simply moved on and its never been mentioned again. I do believe that owing to my desire to be humiliated I actually got a kick from telling them and also whilst I never flaunt my diapers I do enjoy being out on a hot summer's day and my t-shirt possibly riding up and just revealing the top of my plastic pants etc - strange I know! Coming out as gay was not very hard as everyone always suspected from my mid teens on! However I do believe being gay has made it easier talk openly about my desire to become IC as gays seem to be far more open to what most people would consider a disgusting perversion. I have over the years used various butt plugs of increasing size and although at first I felt they strengthened the sphincter muscles I know that I have now done some damage which has helped with my goals. I hope this isn't too long and meandering a reply!

I didn't follow the 12 month programs rigidly in terms of diet, but I did increase the level of fibre and fresh fruit and veg in my diet and reduced the red meat intake, I also increased my liquid intake especially before bed to encourage bed wetting. If you're aiming for dual IC as was always my plan then you need to keep your stools very soft. I don't think it would be possible to reach bowel IC if you're stools remained firm. Every morning I also take a spoonful of fig juice. I'm lucky that to a certain extent I've always had a slightly overactive bowel so now it flows very easily. In terms of changes, obviously to get there quicker would have been great, I almost gave up on more than one occasion. In the past i've tried and given up after a few weeks but this time I was more determined. One of the most important ting is the psychological element that when you're at the stage when you're still very rare of needing to pee or poo to simply relax and let its out whenever or wherever you are. That took time for me! Now thankfully I can be in the middle of a conversation with someone and realise that I'm pooing in my diaper without any effort and with them being completely unaware of what I'm doing. That still gives me an enormous thrill. Obviously you have to trust your pills to remove the smell! One simple learning is that to accept there will be leaks and waking up in a wet bed at three in the morning isn't fun. Whilst I almost always wake up wet now, its only about once a week i have too change the sheets in the middle of the night - get two good mattress protectors!! The next 12 months, hopefully will lead to a greater loss of control and hopefully being unable to stop myself from posing wherever I am. I can still at least briefly hold it in! But the most important next goal is to become genuinely impotent. When released from my cock cage at present I can still get an erection, I hope to lose that ability over the next 12 months then I will feel I have achieved my aim of being a truly helpless submissive.

Hi Ferix I feel I now have exactly the same level of control as you after 17 months, no regrets!

I still get spams every day, its now something I just love with and its more s fluttering discomfort rather than a pain

Hi Jessica Thanks for your kind words and may I wish you the very best of luck with your aims. It isn't for everyone, but so far I have no regrets.I'm delighted to try and answer your questions. Regarding my sphincter and loss of control. A few months back I would occasionally try to stop the flow of pee and could do so for a few seconds but then would have to relax as it would be rather painful to try and hold it in. I tried again this morning before answering your question and I can only reduce the flow slightly. However its hard to give a very scientific answer to your question as now there is barely a moment when there aren't at least few drops of pee escaping, so assuming I'm well hydrated and I have increased my liquid intake to insure this is the case, I am almost continually releasing a dribble. This was one of the main goals I hoped to achieve and it is a great feeling. It also means that other than occasionally at night I now never flood my diaper and so have very few leaks. Regarding No.2 its mostly related to stress IC any stretch, getting up from a chair of certainly cough or sneeze will release something and any farts are always wet ones, that must sound gross to some people - my apologies. Regarding sex, I'm the sub in our relationship and gay sex is often rather messy so that isn;ta problem for my partner when he penetrates me. To further increase my submission, I never penetrate him and I am kept in a penis cage most of the time to try and shrink my penis and hopefully get to the stage where I'm unable to achieve an erection. I'm into humiliation in a big way and we hope that will be the ultimate goal. I hope that helps and by all means ask any more questions or message me privately through the forum.

Firstly a Happy New Year to everyone and please accept my apologies for my prolonged absence. Over the last month or so my bladder and bowel control have both decreased considerably. Just as I felt I'd plateaued, early in December I realised that my stress bowel incontinence had reached the stage where any laughter, sneeze or cough would release both wind and some soft poo. I'd reached this stage with my bladder releasing months previously. I also suddenly started to wake up at night and find myself wet. Also, if I ever fall asleep in front of the TV in the evening i'll be wet when I wake. I now change my diaper 4 times on a typical day and there will always be skid marks and often some poo! The only time I'm now not diapered is showering and on leaving the shower and I will have to dry myself very quickly and re-diaper or I will be dribbling down my leg. I'm delighted with this sudden tail off in control. I only now have one real goal left to achieve, I hope to reach the stage where I have a bowel movement and not be aware that its happened until I feel th lumpiness in my diaper, but i'm realistic that I may never reach that stage. If I don't I'm happy in that I feel I am now dual IC.