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Whereas I've worn 24/7 for 12+ years now trying to become incontinent and have perfect control still. Smaller bladder but that's it. It seems to vary per person whether they are able to lose control or not through simply wearing and using. For the lucky people that can, the amount of time it takes varies too.

100mm is the circumference of the tunnel. 200mm is the circumference of the widest part of the plug. The hole is therefore 1.25" in diameter, and the widest part of the plug is 2.5". Once inserted, the sphincter is only held open by the thinner stem. But getting the widest part past is a real challenge. I thought it was impossible too. I was stunned (and gasping a bit in pain) the first time it popped in place. It has a suction effect once you get past the widest part and the rest goes in pretty quick. The sphincters are incredible. As long as you go slowly, add lots of lubrication, and keep increasing the sizes very gradually, you can go way beyond what you can imagine. I don't have any toys between the 6.3" medium circumference tunnel plug and the 7.9" large, so I have to endure some short pain to insert/remove the large. But this is not all bad. If it were any less difficult to insert, then the plug would fall out on its own. As it is, I cannot expel it no matter how hard I push, unless I grab the base with my hands and pull. The medium often slips right out, and no amount of clenching can keep it from happening. These don't support harnesses, and those are tricky for this use case anyway. Would be hard to get mess out of strap types that were comfortable to wear. Also, sadly (for me) nothing you do down there is going to render you incontinent. The sphincter goes right back to normal within one hour of removing the plug. The more you stretch it out, the stronger the muscle gets. People actually use anal plugs to treat certain types of incontinence rather than cause it.

The Huse plugs are a solid plastic. Absolutely no way that will ever be comfortable going in, being in, when sitting, or coming out. Up to four tries on the Perfect Fit large plug. Each time using medium to warm up, each time medium failing to let anything pass. Each time the large prevents urination, each time it's very painful to get it inserted, and even more painful to remove (since the lube is absorbed then) I also have another new scary issue. On the third time, I had a small bump sticking out of the anus after removing the plug. Given it did not hurt or itch, it sounds like it was a rectal prolapse maybe. It went away on next insertion of a toy, but that's a serious concern. If that were to become permanent, it's not repairable without surgery. I don't want to risk permanent injury for this. What I'm starting to think would be perfect, would be the Perfect FIt large tunnel plug, but make it also be inflatable. It will be pure 100mm diameter for insertion, and you put a small tapered toy through that hole to get it in. Then you pump it up until it's just big enough to not slide out. Once pumped it will be the same shape it is now. The material will be latex coated so you can use silicone lube. And when you're ready to take it out or relube, you deflate first and it slides right out nice and easy. Or if you can't urinate, you sit down on a firm surface to hold the plug in place, deflate the plug, urinate, then reinflate it. The silicone stop at the bottom is perfect for comfort when sitting and preventing migration inside of you. The million dollar problem here is that nobody makes this device. I would be willing to pay a lot more to have it custom made, but I think a custom make item would need hundreds in quantity and I can't afford all that.

But short of a harness, the only way to keep a plug in place is for the rings that sit inside and outside to be twice the diameter of the center that the sphincter rests on. Anything less and it'll slide right out, or worse, in. The tunnel plug gets around this by making a thick bulb on the outside of the tunnel. While certainly a risk with any anal play, I think this will be a lot safer than the bladder stents, and also a whole lot less shocking if you do end up in the ER. You could pass it off as being part of watersports or enema play or just plain old stretching for anal play. Just say you were being thrifty with your design because you didn't want to buy toys online. A tube with a small fishing string line that migrated into your bladder from your urethra? That's gonna be a much tougher conversation with the doctors. Plus the colon has contraction muscles in there. Unless you really screw up, you should be able to push something that migrated inside back out. Or you can slowly work your way up to fisting, and then just reach in and try and grab the thing. You're gonna need surgery to get a stent out of your bladder though. In order for that to be the case, you need a larger diameter inside of you so that the sphincter won't push it out. That gets us back to the toys we already have, the tunnel plug and the Huse plug. These toys are huge, need to be really thick or solid metal to maintain their shape (both are very painful for long-term use), and even then aren't really quite thick enough for regular bowel movements. You have to approach diarrhea levels for them to not get clogged. So as much as I like no external apparatus, I don't think it can be done comfortably. I like that part of the idea. It would keep the colon from drying out from extended use. Possibly and probably our best bet. But I have heard bad things about the quality and strength of 3D printed materials. We also have to consider the safety of what we are inserting. Don't want chemicals leeching off into our intestines. If it's possible to just dip the result in silicone goo and have a nice smooth piece come out (I don't see how), then that could work.

Had another go at the large plug today. Easier to get in this time, and slightly less bad to keep in (could urinate, but with difficulty), still supremely painful to remove though I used just 45mL of magnesium hydroxide this time, and no docusate or psylium husk in two days. This is definitely enough to make it soft enough for the large plug. Still, I need to try and get this down or even eliminated. Not good to take any kind of laxative long term. Oh I see. Yes, definitely!! My tunnel plug is definitely meant to rest vertically and not horizontally. And because the base is silicone/TPB blend, it's very comfortable to sit on, even the one that's too large for me. That's an interesting idea with keeping only three metal wire sides instead of a solid tube circle! That will shape the sphincter like a triangle instead of a circle. It may need to be wider to compensate. I have attached a photo, sorry I am bad with paint hahah. The red indicates your idea instead of a circle. The yellow area indicates lost volume. To compensate, we'd need to make the triangle bigger like the blue one, which I think would be too painful. I don't know how to determine what size of circle or triangle we'd need to pass things involuntarily. It probably also depends on softness of bowel movements. But it's something to keep in mind. Another concern is how do we attach three curved bars onto two napkin rings? I think we're going to require metal, and have to weld them on. But if we do that, and make the outside sphincter ring bigger, we may not need the side bars at all! Sitting may be awkward with the outer ring, with or without the side bars. Depends how close it gets to the actual sphincter. We also need to be able to insert something inside of this that is tapered. You can't just put a wide ring inside you. If those side three bars are curved, that means the thinnest part is the thickest object we can insert in the middle to help guide this "stent" in place.

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BoTox, wow! The bite block looks pretty close to exactly what I was thinking! Only problem is the only one on Amazon is a 100-pack, and looks a bit narrow. These look ideal http://www.medovations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/CareGuard-1197-48-60-60XL-white-header.jpg but they're also sold in 100-packs and I doubt they'll sell to just any consumer. The dimensions also aren't very clear. They may not be deep enough, or they may end up being obscenely too big for anal use, or the curvature of the sides may not (probably won't) rest smoothly on the buttocks which would make sitting impossible. Creepymouse, by tee shaped, you mean like a golf tee where it gets wider inside? For me with the Perfect Fit Tunnel Plug large, the extreme discomfort there came from the gigantic bulb used to hold the plug in place. By making it too large to expel naturally, it was crushing my prostate and nearly preventing urination. It was extremely uncomfortable the entire time it was in. But the base, which is 100mm circumference, which held the anal sphincter, that never hurt too much while the plug was in. A little uncomfortable, but tolerable. Getting that bulb in and out though, extremely painful. The whole thing slips the rest of the way in very fast the moment you get past the largest part, and it actually hurts quite a bit. Taking it out is even harder because the bottom of the bulb is shorter and it has to get so wide that the body naturally wants to pull the whole thing back inside rather than keep trying to take it out. Even worse, using water-based lube made it even worse. Petroleum-based baby oil had a natural glide on inserting and removing, whereas the water-based would tend to stick at points and was a lot less smooth. But petroleum-based is supposed to damage silicone TPB toys, and I can't use silicone-based lube either, so this is yet another problem. I am confident I can handle the sphincter being stretched 100mm. Any less and I'm afraid things won't pass through it. The Perfect Fit were a silicone TPB blend though. I know from the Aneros that hard plastic is substantially less comfortable. The two hooks idea is promising as well. If we made the whole thing from a metal, we could weld two bent hooks that curve along the body. We could use bendable straws (think pipe cleaners) on our own bodies to get the exact shape we need, then heat the metal and bend it as needed. Once done, we'd weld the two hooks onto a metal ring. I've attached a picture of this idea to this post. My concern here is we'd need to use metal in order to weld the two hooks on. And metal would be very stiff and uncomfortable. But maybe there's a kind of adhesive silicone we could apply to the outer ring of the metal to aid in comfort? I don't think a balloon type device has much promise. Even if we could somehow get it in place that deep, we'd have to hold everything open all the way to the exit still, and so we wouldn't gain anything. We'd also lose even more feeling of actually voiding. Much like the stent vs catheter, a lot of the fun of incontinence simulation is feeling oneself losing control, at least to me. A speculum style device could possibly work, and would be vastly easier to adjust to individual size preferences with some sort of tooling ala BoTox's idea. We'd only be holding half of the actual sphincter open. As long as it was wide enough, the bare half of the sphincter should only be able to close enough to form a shape more like a 0 rather than an O. As long as the 0 shape was big enough, things could still pass through that. Thanks for the comments so far! I really hope we can come up with something! I'm still a little too scared to try the bladder stent just yet, so this is probably the closest I can get to simulating any kind of diaper dependence yet.

I recently explored some tunnel plugs for simulating bowel incontinence. One was 79mm circumference for the tunnel, and 160mm at the thickest bulb part for retaining, and 2.5" insertable length. This one didn't work. The tunnel was too small, and even with softer movements, it couldn't make it through the tunnel with the muscle being blocked by the 2.5" of silicone. It would also slip out if you tried to apply any pressure to force things through it. The other was 100mm circumference for the tunnel, 200mm for the thickest part, 3" insertable length. This one did work, even though the tunnel was even longer, I am not sure how, but I take it the wider tunnel circumference made the difference. But it was a massive beast that took over an hour to get in. It never became comfortable, and it seems the large size caused some prostate swelling from extended use (about ten hours), which resulted in the urethra being constricted. I had to remove it in order to empty my bladder fully. Even worse, a day later, things still aren't fully back to normal, but it seems to be slowly improving. By looking at a male anatomy diagram, it's easy to see how this plug would pretty much crush the prostate and likely squeeze the urethra. However, it did work! So now I am very intrigued by the potential. The problem is the size. It has to be much thicker than the tunnel in order to stay in on its own. It's twice as thick. Anything thinner and it would slip out. Another downfall is the length. At 3", it's going in so far and blocking so much of the muscle that you can't feel the movements at all anymore. I didn't even realize I had voided fully until I went to change with the tunnel plug. It's similar to the way a catheter ruins the feeling of losing control for urinary incontinence. Clearly these products were not designed for simulating bowel incontinence. So my thought was, what if we make a bowel stent? All we really want to do is hold the sphincter open, but we also have to prevent whatever we do that with from migrating into our colon and getting stuck. I've attached a picture of the idea. It would be made of silicone for comfort, a bit of flexibility and safety. The base would be eliptical and long for comfort, and to prevent the plug from migrating inside the colon. We would make the tunnel a harder silicone, or even a solid material if needed, so that we could minimize the wasted thickness and maximize the tunnel circumference. The tunnel would only insert 1" or maybe 1.5", so that it gets past the sphincter and that's it. We don't want it to go in too much, block feeling, and possibly hit the first curve of the colon creating a natural barrier that would make movements more difficult. It would also have less solid tunnel to move through, so blockage should be less of an issue, although you'd still want to be at least taking fiber supplements I'd imagine. Next, to avoid crushing the prostate and causing urinary blockage, we would get rid of the larger bulb, and instead add two holes on the sides of the base, so that you could connect the device to a harness that would keep the plug firmly in place. The harness would have to be fairly tight to keep it in, given the short length, but I think it could be done without too much discomfort. A key requirement is to be able to wear this for 24 hours straight. Because it's not tapered, one would need another toy to help get it in. Place a tapered regular plug through the tunnel hole, lubricate both, insert both, and then remove the regular plug once in place. My question to you guys is, do you think this design could actually work? Or am I missing an important detail? And if it could work, would there be a way we could get it manufactured in some kind of small batch custom run somewhere?

I am so disappointed in the Perfect Fit tunnel plugs Warning: a bit graphic below, be forewarned. I'll try to keep it as polite as possible. The medium is just too small. The hole is only 79mm, which is not enough to simulate any kind of incontinence, no matter how soft your movements are (I use psylium husk for that), unless it's pure liquid. The muscles that move things along are blocked where the tunnel is, so the tunnel just blocks immediately and you're left in a permanent state of discomfort that feels like your body is trying to go, but can't. If you try to push while holding the base, nothing will happen. If you push without doing that, the entire plug will come out instead. The large is just crazy stupid ridiculous big, and the top isn't even tapered. Meaning there's about 1cm of flat space on the top after the hole. There's no way to even get the thing to start to insert. It will crush down on itself because the silicone blend is too soft. No amount of warming up helps. I tried everything to the point of bleeding before giving up. You'd have to be a pro that does stretching exercises and anal play daily to be able to use this thing. And even if you spend a month training to get the thing in, I don't think that the 100mm hole is going to be that much better at not getting blocked up. It's also a half-inch longer, so even more of the inner

In my case, I've yet to have the Space or Simple leak on me, wheras the Dry 24/7 constantly leak down my legs when I go standing up. Whether this happens seems to be based on your body shape. Depending on that, one seems to work well, and the other leaks through the legs while standing. But I will agree that the padding in the front is insufficient for males. These plus the Cushies and SDK are products where you have to be pointing down at all times. If you point up, it'll saturate to the very top of the padding on the very first wetting, and then it's very prone to leaking out of the top if you lie down.

We like to think of ourselves as one consciousness, but that's really an illusion. Our brains are trillions of cells all working together, and conflicting ideas bubble up to seemingly decisive actions. But conditions can change, and we can end up with at a different conclusion at other times. The most prominent example of this is one's thoughts right before and immediately after sexual release; it's like you're two different people, right? It would seem there's a part of you that doesn't really want to be 24/7, and I'm afraid no one here can determine why that is except maybe you. You can try to force through it, which may work and acclimate you to it, but it may backfire and burn you out on your desires. Possibly even as far as a purge cycle if you're relatively new to diapers. I went with the former, and eventually it just became the new normal for me, and I don't ever mind wearing anymore. If I were you, and you really want to be 24/7, I'd try to push just a little harder each time. Wear for an extra hour past when you don't want to each time, to try to get used to that feeling of "I don't want to wear anymore"

I used to keep 1-2 months on hand, until Bambino ended up being out of product for longer than that once, forcing me onto a different brand. At the time, Bambino had the best product on the market, so this compromised my protection. Ever since then, I keep 4-6 months on hand. In the long run, it doesn't cost any more to have a larger stash. Diapers never expire after all. They just take up a lot of space. And you don't want to order too many, because a better brand or model may come out.

I think a lot of it is everyone thinks they know what's best for everyone else. Let's say you take this advice, wait until you're 40, because you may not like being incontinent then. But you do still want it. Now half your life is over, and you spent it longing for something you didn't have. So now what? They're going to say, "but you won't know if you want to be incontinent when you're 65, better wait until then!" and then you end up dying at 64 from natural causes, having always longed for this thing you denied yourself. Nobody can predict the future. But even more so, nobody can predict someone else's state of mind or their emotional needs. If it turns out one of us finds the magic way to become incontinent, and so far nobody has, and then we end up regretting it..... then so what? We have no one to blame but ourselves. Then they can say "I told you so" all they want. It's just so funny because it's like they apply this strict logic to continence, on a forum where we are all here because we like diapers, and they can't seem to relate to how we have this pathological, mental hangup over our own continence in the same way they have one toward liking diapers in the first place. It's not a sexual fantasy, but it can't be rationalized, it's just a psychological need. They know first-hand how this desire for diapers never ever goes away for us even if we use diapers, yet they can't understand that for some of us, the desire for incontinence is exactly the same and isn't going to go away just because we get it. That we already know what it'd be like to really be incontinent because we wear 24/7 already.

You didn't miss anything. It's the usual "don't desire incontinence, you don't know what you want, just use your diapers when you want and it's the same thing!" tripe. If someone publicly said to a transgender person, "don't have gender reassignment surgery or take hormone therapy, that'll harm your body! Just wear your preferred gender's clothes and that's good enough!", most progressive people would consider them quite regressive and ignore them. Yet even on an AB/DL forum named "incontinent desires", we're never going to get recognition for this form of BIID, no matter how many times we explain it to people. I think what we really need is a dedicated website and forum for this that bans such people.

The Dry 24/7 definitely would, if I could get it to wick properly. It always, always leaks out from the leg gatherings long before the back gets very wet. Others have had great success with them though. I think it's just the wrong form for my body shape.

I don't care for this at all. I find it insulting to my intelligence that people think they're fooling me with their fantasy stories. And degrading that there's most likely a sexual gratification component in the person telling the story. I also think it does a lot of damage to people with actual true stories. We've basically been conditioned to reject anything far-fetched as fantasy, which is probably quite upsetting to the tiny minority of people who really are telling the truth about incredulous events. And frankly, I don't really understand why there's the necessity to lie about it. It doesn't seem to me that from a sexual perspective that it'd make a difference whether the author labeled it as true or not. Neither for the writer, or someone using the story for this purpose. But hey, if that part's important to them, then more power to them, I'd just ask that they go and congregate somewhere else away from me, like [That site]'s old "true stories" section.

Oh my, then it sounds like it's just really not your thing anymore. I don't think there's any way to will yourself into really liking it again in that case. =( In my case, I probably lost a bit of the excitement from the early days, but it's still kinda fun. Especially immediately when it happens. Becomes less fun the longer it's on. And that's something I've wanted to change but have had no luck. Our mind and body aren't always in sync.

Everything loses excitement if you do it too often. You're likely to have your own place soon. It's easy to get over the phobia of using your shower for cleanup, and it makes it ten times faster and more convenient. Just spray it down with some bleach cleaner after. Then just do it less often, and I think you'll be fine. Me, I don't mind at all, but I'm never really comfortable staying in it. I want to get over that, but the sensation's too weird, and press leaks are way more likely than with wetting, so I usually won't even sit down until I change.

The little boxes in the corners with people's reactions is a very common theme on Japanese variety programming. People there like to see how minor celebrities react to what's being explained in the episodes. It's weird to us, but it's less obnoxious than our 90's sitcom laugh tracks were. The translation was mostly to be expected. Nothing really derogative said. But it's pretty clear why they chose this person: they wanted the shock factor with the combination of ageplay and morbid obesity. Not blaming the OP for his weight, but the producers of this show for picking him. Yes, Japanese people will act relatively reserved, but Elfking is correct. Japan is a very conformative, herd-mentality society and very few would be at all accepting of this, even with the excuse of hospital treatment for the bomb joke, or divorced parents, or an alcoholic, abusive father. There are pockets of exceptions in places like Tokyo, but that's no different than some place like San Francisco in the US. As always, these shows continue to do us no favors. We're put on spectacle like zoo animals for people to gawk at. Heaven forbid they do a show about someone without a room full of adult-sized baby furniture, for-hire sitters, and BMI below 30. Nothing at all wrong with the OP, his life, or what he's doing; but it's not at all representative of 90% of our community. It's very similar to how gays were always portrayed as flamboyant sex addicts in the 80's and 90's on TV in the US. In the age of the internet, let's all just pray his classmates don't find this video online. It'll destroy his life.

For me, it'd require a lot of endurance not to. I hate having to stop what I'm doing every 2-4 hours to go to the bathroom! And I can think of few things less enjoyable than using public restrooms when out and about.

I've heard those tend to not work for this at all. They're also stupid expensive, charging $100 for $2 worth of molded plastic, glass or metal. Kind of frustrating that even this form of incontinence isn't obtainable. I understand the urinary system has muscles deep inside the uretha and around the bladder and are hard to get at. But here you can literally touch the muscles with zero effort. You'd think there would exist some kind of analgesic cream or something that'd cause the muscles to relax for a bit. Then you could just keep using that and keeping them relaxed until they atrophied naturally.

They're ever so slightly cheaper than Bellisimos, as are the Space ones. But at least for the space, and I hear these are the same, they're a slightly better product as well for their intended purpose. But that gingham pattern is an absolute deal breaker. It looks like a cheap vintage table cloth. I would never wear something so garish. But that's okay, it's great they can provide such variety. I'll stick to the space and plain ones, and others who like looking like they're wearing a table cloth can have these to themselves

If you're young enough, you can always blame a stray pacifier being found on MDMA usage Apparently people will use them to not grind their teeth. Of course, with the wrong kind of person that excuse could be even worse. Depends on who finds it, I guess.

It varies per person. Most people won't become incontinent simply by wearing, or we wouldn't have a dozen people here desperately trying for years on end. But the world takes all types, so I won't say it's not possible to happen to some. It sounds like in your case you just had really poor planning. It seems rather obvious that if you liked going out and drinking lots of beer, and doing lots of sexual activities, that diapers would very much get in the way. And it's really surprising that didn't click before you went in too far. In my case, I am not interested in going out to bars or having sex, and I'm old enough to know that's not going to change even if I wanted it to, so these are non-issues to me. As far as stocks go, I always keep about six months of inventory on hand, so that I never have to worry about running out. I just wish life were more fair. I'd love to trade your incontinence for my continence, but alas, life doesn't work that way =( Sorry it didn't work out for you, but please keep in mind that your circumstances are different from everyone else's, and what was miserable to you would be paradise for others here. And hey, if some of us are wrong, then so be it! We'll regret it too, and it'll be our own fault too. But there are plenty of people here that are incontinent, and are very happy with it. To me, my dream is really just to have the choice of whether I void automatically or manually. It doesn't have to be forced into automatic, I just don't want it forced into manual mode only. Both continence and incontinence are two sides of the same coin: lack of control over how one's body operates subconsciously.