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If this is your first time spending an extended period of time in diapers? If it is congratulations! A few things. Don't get discouraged if you spend a week or a month and want to be done with it. For me there was a definite transition mentally of DL that wears for pleasure and occasionally vs diaper wearer. When I started wearing 24/7 I also had not yet worked through the negativity that had built up around diapers from childhood. That will rear its ugly head if you are not prepared. I would also recommend not pushing it if you do get tired of it. Make it a positive experience and however long you make it will teach you a ton about your relationship with diapers and why you are considering incontinence. If you do decide to end it early what will probably happen is you come rushing back in a day or two wondering why you ever quit. Regardless of your experience. Good luck! Sounds like it should be a good time.

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Will be incontinent in all the ways! Are you talking about a plastic bed sheet? Plastic is so dang hot. BUT they make breathable bed pads. I have a couple like this and absolutely love them. They are big enough that you don't have to worry about rolling off and leaking off the side. Also big enough to double as a changing mat in a pinch. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F7NLHDS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Onesies help with more than just peaks. They also keep everything in place, suspenders for diapers, especially as they get full. Another option is compression shorts. I am a big fan of Champion compression shorts. they are stretchy w/ out too much compression like Under Armour.

I have no problem with you thinking that this train of thought is crazy. But what I can't figure out is why you feel the need to spread patently false information to dissuade others?

I am talking about walking into the ER with something like a post op infection or urethral stricture blocking urine flow. They will absolutely help you.

@foreverdlwhy wouldn't a hospital treat you? I must admit my ignorance but is Healthcare so cutthroat that they will let people die because they didn’t have the work done here? Is it a warranty issue?

You would probably be better off finding a psychiatric professional to acknowledge that you are psychologically incontinent and that it is safe and beneficial for you to seek incontinence and then find a doctor to perform the surgery. I have read many a story of urologists desperate to preserve "normal" function against the wishes or autonomy of a patient who was suffering from something like urge incontinence which is much harder to deal with than drip incontinence. Would probably be trivial to find a plastic surgeon willing and capable of doing it though.

There was a situation where many posts from before a certain date. Unfortunately this story was one of them. However, Princess Potty Pants has a blog where it is posted. https://princesspottypants.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/alisas-adventures-in-the-diaper-dimension-chapter-1/

So while I personally do not want to amputate my own leg. I would be a hypocrite if I called that self harm. I would call it self harm if they did what so many people that have BIID that is centered around an extremity do and resort to extreme trauma. When I was doing research into it after learned the name of the condition I read stories of people resorting to power tools or laying an arm or leg onto train tracks. I think a clean amputation in a surgical room is preferable. And much the same way I am doing it, with a consultation with a psychiatric professional and thoroughly discussing it, who am I to judge? And if the doctor who will perform the surgery for you does not require the signoff and you are 100% sure then go for it. Bodily autonomy is central tenet of a free society. I think by definition SRS renders the body incapable of the job it was designed to do. And definitely the "body's hardware" is changed and no longer serves the function it was "designed" for. Our sole function biologically is to reproduce. If nothing else being an ABDL and having incontinence needs/desires has been a humbling factor in my life. Who am I to judge people on their wants and needs. The surgery is not unproven and it is not rarely performed. It is rarely performed for this purpose and rarely together. Transurethral resection of the bladder neck and Transurethral resection of the prostate are performed on people who have problems releasing urine for one reason or another. They are researched procedures that have very real therapeutic benefits. Now both of these surgeries carry the risk of incontinence when performed with out the intent for incontinence. I will grant you that I can not find any information regarding re-sectioning of the sphincter external. I have been trying to figure out what I have found frustrating about your posts. And the best I can figure is that I feel you think that you somehow have the morale high ground by wanting to or becoming incontinent through untraining vs surgical means. At a certain point the results are the same. After some time the muscles all atrophy to a point where they are completely unusable and no longer do the job they were designed to do. Kaliborio has a blog where they discuss retraining after a period of time after incontinence is achieved. It is a fairly small window and sometimes completely unstoppable once a certain threshold is reached. The muscles/nerves have atrophied and that person is incontinent for life. Vs surgery all the muscles are just rendered useless in a procedure. I feel like you are splitting hairs. If you took two people not part of this community and told them two people in from of them are both incontinent, but one had surgery and the other's muscles atrophied with disuse by choice do you think that they would make some sort of distinction? Same outcome, different catalyst. If that same person who wanted to amputate a leg put it in a cast to render it completely useless for a period of 2 or 3 years, their muscles would atrophy and at some point the nerves will as well. A very similar outcome with out the knife.

I have. And I tried stents when I was younger. I stopped the stents when one of them got stuck and I thought I was on the way to the ER but luckily it came out after a half hour of gentle repositioning and pulling. I tried catheters a few times and found them unbearable after a short time. Don't know if I had the wrong size, wrong type or what not but the couple times I got them to work was.... blissful. I stopped trying them after I read somewhere that they can cause scarring in the urethra and make it even harder to pee. It's funny, looking at a surgery to permanently make me incontinent and the thing I am worried about most is a 5 day stint with a cath🤣

Ya, you're right. I suspect that had I gone through with the surgery without addressing any of these past traumas I would have been pretty miserable. Assuming I would have had the courage and self determination to do it in the first place. I didn't say I haven't peed in a toilet for four years. I have worn 98% of the time for the last four years and only ever not used a toilet for pee when I threw my hands up in the air in frustration and say "Fine, if I can't be incontinent, I'll just be "normal". And yes, after four years, I don't wet the bed, I don't leak and dribble, I can't even just relax, let go, and pee. Frankly it didn't occur to me until last year sometime that I had made no progress or if anything worse now than when I started. It has only been in the last few months after starting therapy that I started to pull on this string and how it is all connected. I find it pretty funny calling a surgical procedure self harm. If I wanted to transition to female, get a tattoo, or implants of some kind would that be self harm? I think anyone from the outside looking in would call any way of becoming incontinent self harm. Surgeries performed anywhere are not without risks and sterile surgical environments are not that hard even in horribly dangerous countries like Mexico that scores in the top third of healthcare systems around the world right after .... let me check my notes, 2 spots below the US. There are inflection points in life. A before and after and no one can tell you how the after really is. They can describe it but so many things in life have to be experienced to know. I may regret it but I would regret more not trying. Frankly I don't care how I become incontinent. I have tried unpotty training for four years, that option is out. I am trying hypnosis nowto work on my mental blocks and direct suggestions. Also, I have mentioned therapy at least twice. I have a mental health professional. I told her on my third visit because I knew we couldn't even begin to discuss the problems I was having without addressing this. I thought it would take weeks or months to get a letter of recommendation for full incontinence but I think she could see this a firmly held belief and causing mental anguish.

Are you doubting my experience or that I am lying? I don't know why I can't easily pee in a diaper. Like I said in my post, my best working theory is that I was traumatized by potty training (I have not heard good stories) and several high profile accidents as a kid and I was re-traumatizing myself every time I peed or started losing any modicum of control. So it didn't matter how much I consciously wanted to lose control. The thought terrified me uncounciously

This is the clinic that several members have gone to here in this forum right? IDK, personally I would feel much more comfortable knowing the surgeon is reputable and paying a few more dollars then getting ??? in Thailand. Not saying that those surgeons aren't capable or safe but I would want to talk to previous patients in a situation like this.

Going to disagree as someone who is seriously considering doing this very thing. No one is encouraging anyone to do anything. No one said, "hey you, you need to do this" or "you should totally do this". They posted about their own objectives and goals as well as how they were going to achieve them. Frankly surgery, even ones performed in areas that are not state of the art or what not is still far less dangerous than some of the things I have seen people do around here. Extended open catheter use, home made stents, deliberately causing damage to the bladder and urinary tract. I have seen posts about UTIs, Urethral bleeding that lasted days, ER visits to extract stents that migrated into the bladder. None of this is normal and in any corner of the internet that was dedicated to wearing diapers and more specifically incontinence itself you would be told to immediately seek psychiatric care. Lets be clear within this niche part of the community there are still sub groups. There are people here fantasizing about becoming incontinent (not calling you guys out. Keep doing you!), people who are entertaining the idea, people who are actively seeking non destructive methods, and others who do not feel complete unless they are physically unable to ever hold urine again. Anyone who is actively seeking this has a condition defined by the DSM5 and being redefined in recent years. DSM5 calls it BIID, Body Identity Integrity Disorder and some linking it more recently to a more broad Body Identity Dysmorphia. Go look it up. Look at the treatments. There are ways to lessen the "symptoms" there is no cure. Because it is not something to be cured frankly. The people who do not feel whole by being whole are beyond your judgement or "help". And chastising anyone for posting their experience while actively addressing any questions and concerns someone has is so contrary to this forum in my opinion. Going to get less ranty and more personal here. I have been wearing 24/7 for 4 years. FOUR YEARS, with out a single drop of urine leaving my body without me struggling to get it out. Not everyone can be trained to use a diaper by passive use or even active training. After months of therapy I am fairly certain that my desire for incontinence stems from potty training being beaten into me while simultaneously causing trauma every time I had an "accident". This desire for incontinence coupled with the world's most stubborn bladder has lead to a host of mental health problems. Most of which stem from feeling like a failure for not being able to do one of the few intrinsically motivated goals I have ever had. This lead to clinical depression diagnosis. I have been left with this need for incontinence without any prospect of success. I can honestly say that the post you won't mention but everyone knows you are talking about has given me hope. More interestingly because I have a nuclear option it has allowed my subconscious to address the very real possibility of incontinence and work to resolve some of those issues. Also back up for the advocacy part for a second. The procedure that must not be named is a cosmetic/optional procedure that will not be covered by any insurance. Anyone that lives in the US lives in a dystopian hell hole that 60% of people can't afford a single emergency with out significant financial stress. The $25,000 barrier to entry will dissuade all but the most serious inquiries and even out of serious inquiries it is still a HUGE financial burden. I consider myself extremely lucky financially and career wise and I am still scratching my head at how to come up with the deposit, let alone surgical costs.

1. The original XP Medical would turn the Abena boxes inside out because they had some small identifying mark. I don't think the new owners do that. But every diaper manufacturer that I know ship boxes that are unmarked or nearly unmarked 2. I think I received a mailer as recently as June 2023, but the exterior was very plain. 3. UPS and FedEx both suck. A symptom of an industry ruled by an oligoloply. I have had FedEx deliver my packages to the wrong address multiple times. I have had packages that were split open from both shippers. If you are ordering medical diapers I wouldn't worry about what your delivery guy sees. He is too busy and odds are not an ABDL and will think nothing of it. I wouldn't worry about it if you were ordering ABDL diapers either personally. Live your life and screw everyone else so long as you aren't hurting people. I don't think these questions will provide much insight into this company personally. So much of that is the manufacturer or shipper. I will say this about XP Medical, I have placed probably dozens of orders with them, they have always been fair when there are problems with the order or even if you make a mistake on your order. They were quick to reissue an order when FedEx shipped their package to the wrong address and we worked something out when it turned up like a day later. Their prices have been very fair. As other companies have increased prices 50% in some cases they have had very fair increases. Bottom line, if you are looking to buy a single case or going to wear 24/7 I would use this company. I have seen out of stock VERY rarely, even during the pandemic.

There was a user here at one point who's goal was to do this very thing. @BoToxI seem to recall it not just being a name but a goal. Were you able to do it eventually?

I think what he means by "getting tired of wearing for no reason" is the appeal of wearing fades when the diapers are not necessary, not that there is no discernable reason for the appeal fading.

I can't speak for @Reddy, but I can for myself. There comes a point where you don't feel like yourself using a toilet. Every conceivable, rational bone in your body says that you should be, but you don't, and that the only way you can conceive that you will be is when you are totally incontinent. There is no logic-ing or rationalizing with that level of drive. One would sooner tell someone who is CIS that they are gay. Or that the earth is flat..... OK, bad example. Regardless, its probably better to show how to get through the bad days then dissuade.

I agree that thicker diapers are better. There is a very practical limit to how thick disposables can get with booster because of the leak guards. For most diapers it is 2 safely. I can do 3 with rearz but under no circumstances can flood the diaper without leaking.

I couldn't find anything for Rearz (maybe a Canadian thing) but Tykables and AB universe will provide a FSA/HSA receipt/invoice upon request. And I looked it up before I signed up for my HSA. Baby diapers are considered a necessity and not covered but "adult incontinence products" are. https://support.tykables.com/en-US/can-i-use-my-fsahsa-to-purchase-diapers-92470 https://abucares.abuniverse.com/en/support/solutions/articles/12000003663-i-received-a-fsa-card-from-my-company-can-i-use-that-for-diapers-

You can order any diapers with FSA/HSA though, even something like Tykables/Rearz

Honestly this is why I think NS doesn't care and won't compete on price. While they are ABDL aware, they are firmly a medical company and insurance and all that will pay it regardless of price.

Them running a perpetual sale is kinda my point. They have high prices for anyone who doesn't realize or must buy in between the sales but then almost everyone else gets the lower prices when stocking up. I don't necessarily buy that Rearz are 11k ml capacity but they are definitely high. Higher imo than even tykables or the NRU Str8up. But honeslty I don't really go by capacity that much anymore so much as tier. For me the top tiers are Tykables, Trest, and Rearz. At that point it is more preference and fit more than anything. They are very similar in terms of performance. Then if they all fit or work for you the same the cost. The problem I have is that the Bambino is definitely a mid tier diaper for me but still charging top tier pricing when not on sale.

NS Megamax was a fantastic value when they first released. They were like $2 each and they more or less started the capacity wars. As I recall almost everyone was stagnating around 5000ml. After Megamax hit 6500, the dam broke (pun intended) and everyone went crazy on capacity. Now Megamax are $3 each and I can buy ABDL diapers with Velcro tabs, higher capacity, a myriad of other features to choose from, and free shipping on a single case.