Diaper Spa Fined and Shut Down Again

[DailyDi]

https://www.unionleader.com/news/human_interest/diaper-spa-owner-hit-with-third-fine-by-state-regulators/article_b9c19e44-956b-11ef-a2b4-97478bcb82d9.amp.html

The owner of the Diaper Spa in Atkinson has been hit with an additional $5,000 fine, bringing the total amount of fines issued to the now-defunct spa — which catered to diaper-wearing adults seeking “acceptance, respite, and care” — to $17,500 this year.

On Friday, the Board of Psychologists issued a ruling which included a $5,000 fine due within 90 days and language that state officials may continue to enforce a cease-and-desist order against the spa, which offered clients in the adult baby/diaper lovers (ABDL) community services like “The Christmas Special” — featuring cookies, eggnog and a reading of “Twas the Night Before Christmas.”

[Albert-1701]

That is just another violation of our civil rights. I hope that the spa takes this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. And if they should lose there, perhaps to the United Nations Courts.

Albert

me-1701@proton.me

[Babypants]

15 minutes ago, Albert-1701 said:

hat is just another violation of our civil rights

Sorry, Albert, but she will be doing well if she avoids a criminal indictment.  She opened a business without a license from the state (so no Tax ID), despite the fact that she is from Maine, not New Hampshire.  She did so without going before the municipal council, which rightly denied her application when she finally submitted it, ruling that the business was incompatible with the R-1 zoning for both the house and the neighborhood.  There are a host of regulations, both municipal, state and federal, that she never bothered to investigate.  I wrote the Special Use Permit for a house offering day care to adults with cerebral palsy in an R-1 zone, and the people running the business had to install ramps for handicapped access, a commercial grade alarm system for fire and radon, bring window exits from the basement level up to current code, and make a host of changes in the kitchen to move it from residential to commercial servicing.  The application, when it came before us on Planning and Zoning, was heard at a public hearing, and similarly when it came before the City Council.  This is the way the system works, as she has now learned to her financial detriment.  

[ValentinesStuff]

Plus the fact that she had no license to practice in New Hampshire.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

New Hampshire has aBoard of Psychologists?! I have always supported the separation of State and Mental Health as in, and for the same reason as the separation of State and religion. I guess the motto of NH will be

LIVE FREUDE OR DIE!

[Moochie]

35 minutes ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

New Hampshire has aBoard of Psychologists?! I have always supported the separation of State and Mental Health as in, and for the same reason as the separation of State and religion. I guess the motto of NH will be

LIVE FREUDE OR DIE!

All States have a Board of Psychology that sets standards for licensure, practice, ethics, and protects the consumer.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

26 minutes ago, Moochie said:

All States have a Board of Psychology that sets standards for licensure, practice, ethics, and protects the consumer.

As long as they stayed in those parameters, that would be fine. But from some of the things I have see -- and still see, I do not even see how they can come to any agreements on those

As to mixing State and Mental Health. I wouod recommend two things I read when I was 15. The title story in the anthology TOMORROW'S GIFT and DEADLY IMAGE

[Babypants]

2 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

New Hampshire has aBoard of Psychologists?

Practicing medicine requires a license (the state), but it also requires certification.  This comes from the Board that governs the specialty in question.  It sets standards, has a code of ethics that members agree to follow, and it polices its ranks with a view to upholding public trust.  Losing certification is to a doctor what disbarment is to an attorney.  

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

1 hour ago, Babypants said:

Practicing medicine requires a license (the state), but it also requires certification.  This comes from the Board that governs the specialty in question.  It sets standards, has a code of ethics that members agree to follow, and it polices its ranks with a view to upholding public trust.  Losing certification is to a doctor what disbarment is to an attorney.  

And what board oversees the Board? Look through the libertarian literature about licensure; the mid '70's to late '80's issues of REASON magazine should do. My question was just a reboot of "Who will protect us from our Protectors?" It is well-known that "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power  Crrupts Absolutely" Lord Acton. The only proper role of governemtn is to prohibit the intiation of force or fraud and without doing it themselves

[~Brian~]

6 hours ago, Babypants said:

Practicing medicine requires a license (the state), but it also requires certification.  This comes from the Board that governs the specialty in question.  It sets standards, has a code of ethics that members agree to follow, and it polices its ranks with a view to upholding public trust.  Losing certification is to a doctor what disbarment is to an attorney.  

@Babypants

agreed all the way around! It would be one thing if this young lady had her certifications according to New Hampshire law, according to Maine law, , and had all of her ducks in a row, and then maybe she would’ve had a chance in heck of making the necessary argument against them trying to deny her request.   we also have a a problem because this “establishment“ is in a residential neighborhood, so it’s not like it is in a commercial setting.  Not only that, but you have to have the approval of the village that is denying the application. The doctor in this case was already fined, so she now has another fine to have to pay. When you deal with something like this, it’s not a “civil rights violation” because this is a specific business, that caters to a specific part of the population, and if the doctor in this “diaper spa“ had done her due diligence before trying to open a business that is not properly certified, nor licensed in the township or city, that she wanted to have it in, then she might’ve had some sort of an idea that this is not some thing that should be done. she ended up putting up a website and opening up a business during November and December 2023, which was not legal according to things that have been posted in prior postings about this. Regardless of what happens, the state of New Hampshire does have laws about certifications in about medical licensing and all of this, so, unless there is all of these things in a row, and they’re all there, the doctor of the diaper spa is going to continue to get fined because the state of New Hampshire, as well as the town where this business is located is going to continue to fine her.

If somebody wanted to do a business like this, the best thing to of done as @Babypants has stated is to make sure that all of this person’s documentation and certifications and licensure are in order. You can have the best impeccable licensure. You can have the best location, you can have the best people working for you you can have a PhD in whatever your discipline is but unless you have permission to operate by the state and in the town this will not happen. 

I can understand their reasoning for wanting to run such an enterprise, but I question where the enterprise would be running out of. I would think after the first time this young lady got fined, and got sanctioned, with a fine, that she wouldn’t do it again, and she would realize that continuing to do these types of things would continue to cause the ire of the state of New Hampshire practices board whatever it happens to be. When you’re dealing with our community as a whole, you would not want to end up having a bunch of people getting the wrong idea about what a business does. If there are people that want to, enjoy this type of service, the pointed spend made that the location that has been chosen for this enterprise is the wrong location. I doubt I would want to piss off the state of New Hampshire or any state of the union when it comes to licensure, because then if there is reciprocity between  states, if you lose your license in one state, you may lose it in others. 

I think the idea that the young lady wants to do is a good one, but I do question how where and why she chose the areas she chose? Regardless of what happens if the state of New Hampshire is not going to allow it, and the city of Achison New Hampshire is not going to allow it, then she’s dead in the water. She will have to find another location for this type of business, but if there are people that are reading the union leader, and get this story, the doctors problems could follow her to different places and people could look on it in a negative way. It’s always a good idea to make sure that you have a place for these people to go, but I question why there?

while you were dealing with situations like this, you also have to realize that if one person gets wind of this, then another person could get one of this, and then it could keep on going and going and going. The state of New Hampshire is already made its decision, so she can’t open her business or operate it there she’s already been asked to close once, and if she doesn’t have the proper licensing, then she’s done before you she even starts. 

Brian

 

[Babypants]

6 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

And what board oversees the Board? Look through the libertarian literature about licensure; the mid '70's to late '80's issues of REASON magazine should do. My question was just a reboot of "Who will protect us from our Protectors?" It is well-known that "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power  Crrupts Absolutely" Lord Acton. The only proper role of governemtn is to prohibit the intiation of force or fraud and without doing it themselves

We rely on professional associations to police themselves because, in practical terms, they are the only people with the expertise and experience to do so.  This does not mean that corruption never rears its ugly head, but it is a good firewall against incompetence.  Twenty years ago, my health care provider switched me over to a Pakistani trained doctor.  The first thing I did was contact the Board to determine whether he had been certified, and if so, on what basis.  He turned out to be a good GP, but I was not prepared to take that for granted.

Things are getting worse because medical schools are undercutting merit in favor of DEI in the admissions process (UCLA is a notorious case).  What people should watch carefully is whether certification standards end up being compromised in turn.  A good pair of hands in a surgical suite is worth millions to the hospital in question, so I expect to see a gulf open between hospitals that strive for quality and those that have succumbed to the woke mindset.  Today, in certain areas of surgery (think open heart), you really want to do your research and make your own choice rather than rely on a third party to make the choice for you. 

[spark]

9 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

And what board oversees the Board? Look through the libertarian literature about licensure; the mid '70's to late '80's issues of REASON magazine should do. My question was just a reboot of "Who will protect us from our Protectors?" It is well-known that "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power  Crrupts Absolutely" Lord Acton. The only proper role of governemtn is to prohibit the intiation of force or fraud and without doing it themselves

are you recommending that we remove medical boards because you don't trust the board?  That seems extreme, and not something that's even worth discussin.

 

3 hours ago, Babypants said:

Things are getting worse because medical schools are undercutting merit in favor of DEI in the admissions process (UCLA is a notorious case).  What people should watch carefully is whether certification standards end up being compromised in turn.  A good pair of hands in a surgical suite is worth millions to the hospital in question, so I expect to see a gulf open between hospitals that strive for quality and those that have succumbed to the woke mindset.  Today, in certain areas of surgery (think open heart), you really want to do your research and make your own choice rather than rely on a third party to make the choice for you. 

We're venturing in a territory that isn't productive, and removed from the original discuss.  This case is cut and dry, and I don't discussing DEI and woke (whatever that means) has anything to do with an unlicensed spa being fined.   It is even worse when undefined terms that used fear-based language.   You can't rational discussing when parties refused to use defined terms, and engage in fear mongering. 

[Albert-1701]

Question: Is there any chance that if this Diaper Spa was to go to court to see if they can have the fines removed as long as they comply with all of the Laws of the State of New Hampshire and the Township that they are in? Also, if they are not allowed to operate in a residential community as they are doing, they agree to move the Diaper Spa to a part of the Township where they can do business?

This may be solution to the entire problem and allow them to go back into business. As for me, I can see the need for it for those who live in the area and are either diaper dependent or just like to wear them. As for me, I am not that much into wearing diapers. However, I do understand why thos of you who do wear diapers do what you do.

If anyone on this website knows more about New Hampshire Law, please let us all know if what I said may be possible to do!

Albert

me-1701@proton.me

[Snugglebear_69]

The fines should absolutely stand and hopefully this person is never allowed to do business again. Over multiple occasions they violated the law so why should the fines be removed? Justifying the behaviour is just another example of people in the community making excuses for behaviour that is not acceptable and in this case is outright illegal.

[ValentinesStuff]

Maybe the first fine could have been, if she had complied with everything. But she didn't and got more fines.

 

Please note that her initial website advertised public outings to a nearby park, walks in the woods along trails, beach trips, playing in her yard, shopping, and therapy billed to insurance. This wasn't a come and get treated in the home, but in the community.

 

All of that without getting any licenses, permits, or other things that a legitimate business needs.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

5 hours ago, spark said:

are you recommending that we remove medical boards because you don't trust the board?  That seems extreme, and not something that's even worth discussin.

 

I am recommending the separation of medicien and state, as in, and for the same reason as, the separation of church and state. This means that the governemnt does not stick its noce into things unless called upon to adjudicate a claim of force or fraud; that is, defensively. It is the process I do not trust. Would you say the CDC is the "gold standard"? Then explain these two things

There are more than just honest mistakes. Listen or read closely

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/04/106268439/top-10-reasons-why-the-bmi-is-bogus

This next, is a bit more complicated but I have been following this since 1980. This is the last I have heard on the matter but it appears to be representative of the pattern

I have seen some evidencde for this but salt is not the only source of sodium. If you follow THE WOLFEPIT's channel, you will see that he reviews many of the frozen meals that are on the market. One thing almost all of them have in common is large proportions of sodium over the past 57 years take-out and frozen meals have come to make up a large percentage of the American diet. The accepted limit of sodium for a lealthy person per day is about 1 teaspoon.That is roughly 1000mg of sodium. Having HBP, I do not follow that kind of diet and do not cook with salt since it does not add anything I like to the taste, I confine my salt to the table and, with rare exception prepare my food from scratch. As a result the amount of salt I use is 1 teaslpoon in about 9 days and I am perfectly happy. I may have some unknown sources of sodium, but they would be tiny. I would chalk this one up to sloppy process

There are other things I have come across not in the medical field. It is this kind of thing that heads to things like the COVID vaccine controversy. Groups like the CDC are a creature of government. Since the government is by nature political, both in practice and in the branch of philosphy in which they exist. The things they create become politicized. When the government is perceived as untrustworthy, their sub-parts also suffer that fate. The agency was factually correct in the matter of the COVID vaccines

Now, when you create an organization that is supposed to oversee things with the power of force. three things happen; 1. They have to be right 100% of the time since their word becomes law or almost law 2. They attract the power-hungry. 3. They generate distrust of the system as they increase in power. Over the past 37 years, the CDC has been inserted into the matter of gun-related deaths. This kind of thing is a police matter and out of their purvue, which is microbes. This ca lead only to one place. Calling violence a "disease" which it is not, it is a choice some persons make, they can then, by means of a not-too-complex process have opponents of gun confiscation classed as mentally ill by some other government agency acting on their findings. That is the only place this process can go

Now, it is true that items should be studied and rated with the resuts made available to the public so people can make informed decisions. That is why you have things like Underwriters' Labratories. But please not, these groups COMPETE for credibility in a non-coercive market. Also, the government does have the function to prohibit force or fraud. That means it acts on call, not on its own as it does in many cases now.  The current system attracts the power-hungry but technically incompetent. Have you seen the e coli breakkouts over the pst two decades? Yet food safety is almost totally overseen by government agencies which are answerable to nobody. If it were done by properly operating entities, they would have to earn their keep and if they screw up, held liable and a company that did not ensure the safety of their product would face massive, legal, repercussions for that failure. Try to sue the Consumer Product Safety Commission when they screw it up. What would happen to UL if they screwed up? I submit to you two prpular saying. "...blow somebody big" and "It's not what you know, it's who you blow"

 

[Babypants]

13 hours ago, spark said:

We're venturing in a territory that isn't productive, and removed from the original discuss. 

I am inviting you to think about this from a different perspective.  Quite simply: would you want a physician who treats laws and regulations this dismissively to treat you?  How did this woman ever pass through a system that is supposed to screen people like this out?  

[spark]

10 hours ago, Babypants said:

I am inviting you to think about this from a different perspective.  Quite simply: would you want a physician who treats laws and regulations this dismissively to treat you?  How did this woman ever pass through a system that is supposed to screen people like this out?  

That wasn't what I was responding to.   Obviously, you want a competent doctor, and there should be a way to make sure that they know what they are doing.

 

17 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

I am recommending the separation of medicien and state, as in, and for the same reason as, the separation of church and state. This means that the governemnt does not stick its noce into things unless called upon to adjudicate a claim of force or fraud; that is, defensively. It is the process I do not trust. Would you say the CDC is the "gold standard"? Then explain these two things

The world salad doesn't mean anything to me.   That kind of ranting is just the ranting of madman.    I know that medical board does a better job weeding out nut jobs than no board.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

With regard to the first quote in the above. We have a thread called "Getting surgery in Mexico", which peole seem to think is OK. The reason people go there is to avoid US regulation

I Showed two instances where the government position is false. As I said, the job of government is to prohibit the initiation of force or fraud. If it did that job, homeopathy, naturopathy and chrirpractic as well as the whole GNC/New Nordic complex would be banned, and properly so. They are fraudulnet. A look at the contortions that bunch has gone through over the last 30 years in what it calls itself, the process was "alternative", complimentary", "integrative" and lately "intellectual" "medicine". Not only has it not produced, but it has been deleterious. If you are contemplating a procedure, you are asked if you take suppliements because they have to try and work around these suppliements. Now, I take Vitamn D and Calcium. That is under a doctor's orders for osteopenia (osteoporosis' kid brother)

Now as I understand the story, the defense lawyer said that Murphy does not claim to be practicing medicine. It was incumbent on the government to prove that she was doing so. In a fully free society, there are plenty of groups that could be consulted to see if a doctor was delivering good or badk medical care. If you are familiiar with THE GREAT IMPOSTOR the Impostor was good at what he did, including medicine though he had no licenses or permits. These groups, the equivalent of UL would ean their keep by being good at what they do. In one of the examples I gave above, the CDC case criminally neglegnet in accepting the material from advocacy groups without vetting it. Only an organization with political connections could hope to try that and think they could get away with it. The salt issue, though almost blatant over 44 years it a bit more cloudy since our dietary sturcture has canged over the last 55 years to include ono-salt sources of sodium and that fact could get by the agency. It took me awhile to figure out and I had to get my data from THE WOLFEPIT for it to "clic". Also this is issued by the CDC as "guidelines". Beware of any government beureau. They are a political endtity and necessarily so, and attract the power-hungry as all such entities do. Besides why should you respect those who do not respect you. The process is based on the idea that regular folks are basically incompentent and must be coerced "for their own good". Under another name, I have a principle: The amount of legitimate bitchability is in direct proportion to the amount of government involvment in an endeavor". Also "The more a government does what it should not be doing, the liess it does what it should"

Now just how far has this gotten in. Some three decades ago. Dr. Joy Brown, a real psychologist with a call-in radio program, discussiong with a caller a friend of that caller who tended to be a bit high-strung. She toe caller to get the persons a bittle of St. John's Wort (a popular anti-stress supplement). Here's the kicker: At that time St. John's Wort had not been tested using the 3 group double blind method. Really; no, REALLY?

But to get back to what I started with, It just seemed odd that New Hampsire would have sucn a board given their libertarian leanings and I could not resist the joke. Also if you know how wrong pop med and pop psyche were, you'd choke!

[ValentinesStuff]

5 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

Now as I understand the story, the defense lawyer said that Murphy does not claim to be practicing medicine.

 

Except that she was, or she was attempting to commit insurance fraud, because because earlier iterations of her website listed insurance as a method of payment. 

 

Some quotes from the Jan 27, 2024 version of the website.

 

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Except she isn't licensed in New Hampshire.

 

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In the summer, you can play with your water wings and floaties poolside, picnic under the tree with your teddy bear, play marbles on the patio, or swing on the front porch swing and serve tea to your dollies on the porch. In the winter, we can make snow angels, build snowmen, drink hot cocoa from beneath clouds of whipped cream and sprinkles, and decorate gingerbread men or sugar cookies.

For weekend/vacation or B&B stays, you may enjoy a mountain trip to collect leaves or pine cones, travel to the beach to play in the waves, build a sandcastle, or search for seashells. We are only 40 minutes from the enormous Kittery Outlets and 1.5 hours from the giant LL Bean Outlet Mall at Freeport Village Station.  

The beaches and mountains are a brief and scenic car ride away.

 

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Then that becomes a case of insurance fraud. However, it would be a tough case since there have been some really bizarro world things accepted as psychotherapy. The plaintiffs in souch a case should be one of the insurance companies. In this case, the State would merely be acting as an adjudicator and "referee", not an actaive participant. If none of the insurance companies took action then "no harm; no foul"

[spark]

4 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

Then that becomes a case of insurance fraud. However, it would be a tough case since there have been some really bizarro world things accepted as psychotherapy. The plaintiffs in souch a case should be one of the insurance companies. In this case, the State would merely be acting as an adjudicator and "referee", not an actaive participant. If none of the insurance companies took action then "no harm; no foul"

Obviously, somebody took action.  They were fined

Generally speaking, I'm not interested in going to someplace that has a shady reputation like that.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The question then becomes "Who took the action?"

The framers of the Constitution did not want government, ESPECIALLY the Federal Government to intiate actions unless there were crimes violent crimes or fraud, even then, someone had to be willing to presss charges. They believed that granting such power as being a corruptive force. They also believed that the wealth of the government was such that governments could afford to "buy" the case by being able to out-lawyer the private citizen to the point where it was not a "fair fight" and the truth(s) of the matter would be lost in the cavilling and pettifoggery. Also, a government that could move on its own initiative would soon get out of control and they had had a few recent adventures along those lines

In a case of insurance fraud, one or another of the companies would act because they do not want to shell out if they did not have to because they would have to jack up their premiums whould, in a free market, would put them at a disadvantage. Whether a given medical/mental helath organization can collect from an insurance company is settled by contract. I have seen her ABDL treated as a mentl health support with general approval, even supported by companies like Northshore, and given the state of the mental health topic, who is to say what is  or is not legitemate? Thank you Freude, Maaslow and Skinner: with a side order of Rogers and Allport (Maasow, Rogers and Allport's actions being a rebeillion against the rather Victorian aspects of Freude, Adler, Jung and Horney; i.e. "the German School" aka "Psychoanalysisi" with Wendt' and Tichner's work never making it into pop psych because it was not flashy or salacious)

At any rate, you might acquaint yourself with the late '60's/'70's work of Dr Thomas Szasz; a but vague overall, but had a strong point about "the therapeutic state", which reflects back on DEADLY IMAGE and "Tomorrow's Gift"

[ValentinesStuff]

3 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

The question then becomes "Who took the action?"

The City and the  State took action. The citizens complained, and she was fined for not following City and State laws. The Federal Government was not involved.