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gobphus    31

September 8, 2017: Last night I wore a NorthShore Supreme taped brief and a large booster pad to bed. I vaguely remember waking up and wetting, but I don't remember needing to pee or deciding to pee. I must have just gone back to sleep, rather than reporting it here, as I should have done. So, I'm calling this another involuntary wetting, the 19th time I've wet involuntarily in 2017 and the 5th in six nights in September. Maybe I really do need Imipramine to avoid wetting in my sleep so often.

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My tally so far this calendar year is 58 wet nights.

In every night wetness bar one, measured by weight gain, I've dumped more than 1 litre of pee into my night attire of slip-style disposable + terry towelling pants + plastic pants. Almost always the figure exceeds 1200ml (say 40 US Fluid Ounces). This suggests at least three wettings per night. On a few occasions I have exceeded 2 litres.

Something I've noticed consistently is this: The first time that my bladder is full enough to wake me (typically 300-400ml), I wake up. If reassured that I'm adequately diapered, I allow myself to wet. But second and subsequent wettings don't wake me. I stay asleep.

Has anybody else noticed this "already wet"  effect - a clear distinction in wake-up tendency as between no diaper or a dry diaper on the one hand and a wet diaper on the other? For me, already being wet seems to turn off the wake-up call of being about to wet again. This remains true even in the event of leaks.

 

 

 

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gobphus    31

September 11, 2017: Each of the past three nights I've worn a diaper to bed and wet it sometime during the night. My memories of the wettings are vague, which is the main reason that I believe that I began to wet in my sleep, rather than waking up needing to pee and deciding to do it in my diaper. Last night I mainly remember a sort of vibration as I emptied my bladder. My NorthShore Supreme taped brief and booster pad wicked the urine away quickly enough that I didn't have any feeling of wetness, which is unfortunate. I  enjoy hot pee bathing my privates and the complete relaxation and contentment that I often feel when waking up wetting. Counting the past three nights, I have wet involuntarily 22 times in 2017 and 8 times in the past 9 nights.

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WBxx    13

Congrats!!!  Is 8 out of 9 a new record?  I’m with you on lack of feeling with disposables.  In that respect I prefer cloth, but ….

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WBxx    13
On 9/10/2017 at 7:26 AM, Orchidectomy said:

My tally so far this calendar year is 58 wet nights.

In every night wetness bar one, measured by weight gain, I've dumped more than 1 litre of pee into my night attire of slip-style disposable + terry towelling pants + plastic pants. Almost always the figure exceeds 1200ml (say 40 US Fluid Ounces). This suggests at least three wettings per night. On a few occasions I have exceeded 2 litres.

Something I've noticed consistently is this: The first time that my bladder is full enough to wake me (typically 300-400ml), I wake up. If reassured that I'm adequately diapered, I allow myself to wet. But second and subsequent wettings don't wake me. I stay asleep.

Has anybody else noticed this "already wet"  effect - a clear distinction in wake-up tendency as between no diaper or a dry diaper on the one hand and a wet diaper on the other? For me, already being wet seems to turn off the wake-up call of being about to wet again. This remains true even in the event of leaks.

 

 

 

I too experience the wake for first wetting followed by sleep wetting.  Matter of fact, according to my memory and diaper weight gain I wet in my sleep twice last night after first waking to wet.  Guess this could be attributed to the “already wet” effect, but after wearing without fail for two years one would think my “wakeup” subconscious would know better.

Your pee volumes are impressive, almost twice mine.  What’s your secret?  Also wondering, what constitutes a wet night in your tally?

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Several issues at work here, in combination.

As regards pee volume, that's attributable to my habit/need to drink more than average - preferably weak tea. Reason: I'm a lifelong migraine sufferer and dehydration can trigger a migraine, writing off the best part of a day. Therefore I err on the side of caution and routinely down three mugs of tea last thing before heading to bed. Almost certainly this is a major contributary cause of bedwetting. I used to regard bedwetting as the lesser of two evils, but now that I've made it into a game I don't fret over it. And the migraines? Maybe two per year rather than two per week.

To ensure that I sleep right through (say 8 hours without stirring), I put on my night-time diapers at about 17:00 / 5pm and spend the evening dressed in plastic pants. It's then as good as certain that I will have wet myself deliberately before going to bed sometime after 22:30.. Already wet, I won't wake up until the next morning. A slight cheat, but guaranteed to produce a very, very wet diaper overnight.

What constitutes a wet night in my tally?  If I am wet when in diapers, the weight gain in the diaper will be 1kg or more, so standing up and lifting the crotch of my plastic pants soon determines that. Maybe it is easier to describe what I classify as a dry night - one where it would be practical to remove the diaper and put it to one side for re-use.

The other sort of "wet night" is one where I have dared not to wear a diaper at all, but wet the bed all the same. I never sleep without a heavy duty plastic sheet under the cotton one. By heavy duty I mean the sort that one might use as a tablecloth at a kids party. In that scenario, a dry night is one where the plastic sheet would not have been needed. That's rare; I don't often take the risk.

 

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gobphus    31

@Orchidectomy: Wow, when you wet, you really wet a lot! When you don't wet, do you wake up during the night to use the toilet or do you wake up dry in the morning? Have you always wet in your sleep?

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Hi, Gobphus. You seem to have started a long-running thread with this one.

> Wow, when you wet, you really wet a lot!

True. But it must be in several sessions, because the total weight gain in my diaper is several times the weight of pee I produce if I unload one full bladder into a measuring jug, day or night.

> When you don't wet, do you wake up during the night to use the toilet or do you wake up dry in the morning?

I don't recall sleeping through since age 11. So its either a wet bed, a wet diaper, or a walk to the bathroom. Chamber pots seem to have gone out of fashion.

> Have you always wet in your sleep?

I was dry from about four until age 11. A couple of weeks before my eleventh birthday an attempt at orchidopexy (US English: Orchiopexy) failed due to what I can best describe as 'short plumbing'. Potentially fully functional, but would not reach. I was wet for some months but then recovered control. They had another go a year later, which also failed. The nature of what happened next, in the 1950s and early 1960s regarded as a necessary precaution against testicular cancer, you might be able to deduce from my User Name. There's no obvious physical reason why that should induce long-term nocturnal enuresis, but emotionally? When it is done at the onset of puberty and the boy has not been briefed on the possible adverse outcome? I do sometimes wonder whether my wetting is some form of substitute for reproductive emissions.

 

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gobphus    31
25 minutes ago, Orchidectomy said:

Hi, Gobphus. You seem to have started a long-running thread with this one.

> Wow, when you wet, you really wet a lot!

True. But it must be in several sessions, because the total weight gain in my diaper is several times the weight of pee I produce if I unload one full bladder into a measuring jug, day or night.

> When you don't wet, do you wake up during the night to use the toilet or do you wake up dry in the morning?

I don't recall sleeping through since age 11. So its either a wet bed, a wet diaper, or a walk to the bathroom. Chamber pots seem to have gone out of fashion.

> Have you always wet in your sleep?

I was dry from about four until age 11. A couple of weeks before my eleventh birthday an attempt at orchidopexy (US English: Orchiopexy) failed due to what I can best describe as 'short plumbing'. Potentially fully functional, but would not reach. I was wet for some months but then recovered control. They had another go a year later, which also failed. The nature of what happened next, in the 1950s and early 1960s regarded as a necessary precaution against testicular cancer, you might be able to deduce from my User Name. There's no obvious physical reason why that should induce long-term nocturnal enuresis, but emotionally? When it is done at the onset of puberty and the boy has not been briefed on the possible adverse outcome? I do sometimes wonder whether my wetting is some form of substitute for reproductive emissions.

 

I'm sorry that you had to have the orchidectomy. That must have been difficult to deal with growing up and later, especially with the resulting nighttime wetting.

If surgeons were cutting inside you, they could have damaged the nerves that control urination. Has that been ruled out? I guess so, if you have daytime control.

PM me if you want to share more of your story privately.

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My principal "problem" with what happened was that no child HAD to undergo orchidectomy in this situation. What peeves me is that the decision was taken for me, such that I was not given the choice of being left intact and monitored for testicular cancer later. A cancerous outcome of a failed orchidopexy is only a risk, not a certainty.

It is entirely possible - indeed, likely - that nerve damage took place as a side-effect of the attempts to reposition things where they should have been. But just as I recovered control a few months after the first attempt, so I assume I would have done second time around had it not been for the emotional trauma of the unfavourable outcome.

I do have reasonable daytime control, but occasionally I "lose it" big time. To save you asking, this has been logged in my diary 6 times so far this year but as yet, even after all these decades, no cause-effect relationship has been identified. By day I try to 'go' to a clock-determined routine, but occasionally everything goes wrong. There seem to be occasions when I try to pee to order, fail, yet soon after wet myself.

Therefore, when out and about, I tend to wear a pull-up disposable of a type sufficient to cope with one full bladder. For reassurance as much as need, I like a heavy gauge PVC pant over that. 6mil is OK, but I really favour the 8mil ones when I can get them.

Not being familiar with the PM system here, would it be possible for you to message me first and so set up the link? I agree it possibly isn't appropriate to detail on the public site things such as my development (in terms of Tanner Stages and so on) at the time of the second operation. Suffice it to say here that a cryptorchid boy does produce testosterone. What I lost at age 12 wasn't totally immature.

 

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