Anyone Still Support Obama After Ndaa?

[KittenAB]

I have a prescription for Viagra. I can get as much of it as I want. All I have to do is pay for it. The last time I bought it, it was about 18 dollars a dose. Anyone can go to the doc and get prescription for birth control or Viagra. Viagra is fun stuff to play with!

When I was a teenager, I had a policy of "no glove, no love"! I took the responsibility for my actions. This female agitator just wants to be accepted for her own irresponsibility. I never asked the taxpayers to pay for my Viagra or birth control!

Way to completely miss the point ... and I mean completely. Did I aim too high for you or something? Is there any way you will ever see reason? Can you even admit that birth control has other uses, just like Viagra? Will anything get through that hard-on for Rush you have?

[redneck diaper boy]

Way to completely miss the point ... and I mean completely. Did I aim too high for you or something? Is there any way you will ever see reason? Can you even admit that birth control has other uses, just like Viagra? Will anything get through that hard-on for Rush you have?

The intended purpose of sex is procreation. A rapist doesn't need Viagra. A prostitute does need birth control! Again this is a matter of people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions. This femal, that appeared before Congress, attened an ivory league school but couldn't afford birth control? This is pure politics!

[sarah_ab]

you pay 18$ because ur insurance pays the rest just like birthcontrol a woman makes a copay insurance picks up the rest .... some i sirances cover some birthcontroll 100% and others there is a copay so basically ur i surance is paying for you to get a boner

[KittenAB]

The intended purpose of sex is procreation. A rapist doesn't need Viagra. A prostitute does need birth control! Again this is a matter of people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions. This femal, that appeared before Congress, attened an ivory league school but couldn't afford birth control? This is pure politics!

Birth control serves other purposes, just like Viagra. However, unlike Viagra, birth control does not endorse nor encourage sexual activity except in the depraved and useless minds of the religious zealots. So, if birth control is not to be paid by insurance, then neither is Viagra, ever, period. This is getting into willful ignorance on your part as this has been explained to you so many times over, yet you fail to even admit it. Willful ignorance should be a reason to lose your voting privileges.

FYI, one of my medications is also used as birth control. In case you did not realize that, yet without it, I'd probably die a slow and painful death.

[redneck diaper boy]

you pay 18$ because ur insurance pays the rest just like birthcontrol a woman makes a copay insurance picks up the rest .... some i sirances cover some birthcontroll 100% and others there is a copay so basically ur i surance is paying for you to get a boner

18 bucks is for one pill without a prescription. My insurance does not cover any prescription. The only discount I get is when I mail order maintenance drugs directly from the insurance company. I get no break on my controled medication because I can only get a 30 day supply. If I mail order the doc has to write a 90 day supply. The price of Viagra, at Walgreen's Pharmacy, with no insurance is 18 dollars a dose. It may be more now because I haven't purchased any for at least 6 months. Viagra is not controled but it is not covered my family policy that cost about $18,000.00 a year.

[sarah_ab]

wait without a orescription? i didnt think u could get it without a prescription lol im thinking you mean insurance otherwise u are buying it illegally

[redneck diaper boy]

wait without a orescription? i didnt think u could get it without a prescription lol im thinking you mean insurance otherwise u are buying it illegally

No it isn't illegal. Doc writes prescription. I go to pharmacy. Prescription is for 5 pills. Prescription cost 90 dollars. I write check for 90 dollars. I get 5 doses of Viagra.

[Alexandra]

Its useless you two he won't accept anything that disrupts his small conception of the world to him birth control is and will always be nothing more than a preventive medicince for pregnancy so don't waste your time or intelligence on an old man who's "set in his ways" cleary he doesn't want to learn anything new at this point

[sarah_ab]

red i was just making a joke because u stated you dont have a prescription for it in your first post and i think you meant you dont have insurance that covers it ..... was just joking ..... however 5 pills for 18$ would mean ots about $3.60 a pill so same proce for the pill makes it around $1300 a year because u bave to take a pill everyday .... and thats just one kind of hormonal supplement there are many kinds out there and depending on the medical condition you are taking it for you might need a more expensive one .....

[redneck diaper boy]

red i was just making a joke because u stated you dont have a prescription for it in your first post and i think you meant you dont have insurance that covers it ..... was just joking ..... however 5 pills for 18$ would mean ots about $3.60 a pill so same proce for the pill makes it around $1300 a year because u bave to take a pill everyday .... and thats just one kind of hormonal supplement there are many kinds out there and depending on the medical condition you are taking it for you might need a more expensive one .....

No I actually have a prescription, with my name on it, for Viagra. I use to take a lot of pain killers and one of the side effects of the opioid medication is ED! I have not had a refill for at least 6 months. The stuff does work as advertised! The cost was 18 bucks a dose from Walgreen's Pharmacy. I never took it daily!

[Baby Brian]

I can't say I truly support Obama but given the alternative I will definetly be voting for him again just to make sure Romney (or Paul) don't screw it all up again like Bush did.

FYI, I'm a disable vet with Tricare Prime insurance. My Vicodin (and Viagra) cost $3 for prescription refills. Tricare is a government run and government controlled insurance. It IS the second best insurance available to a US citizen (Congress has the best for some reason). I support doubling my costs if it means extending those same benefits to everyone else. Obama's health care overhaul aims to do just that, so actually.....yes I still support Obama.

[Baby Brian]

The justice department just voted the National Health Care Act is legal and held up pretty much all of it. My VA subsidized, artificially low, copays with Tricare will likely go up and I'm fine with that because I now know that soon everyone will be paying their fair share whether they like it or not (because lets face it- everyone will need to use health services in their lifetime). It's about time we stopped so many people from getting free or nearly-free health care when they walk into an er w/o insurance, while so many others with it have to pay more just to pick up their tabs.

The funny thing is health insurance premiums are supposed to start going down now, yet I've been seeing these companies trying to wiggle their way around that by saying "there's too much uncertainty. Premiums may go down, but they may go up too". They're charging more right now while they can before the mandates kick in and force them to give out better plans. Their hope is that those who get swindled now will just keep those plans and keep paying more when they won't have to after the new nation wide plans come out. What a bunch of swindlers. The math is easy, add healthy people into the pool of payers and you increase revenue over costs, eliminate those taking advantage of our health care system and you decrease your losses. Seriously, most models, forecast, and estimates show our premiums should be cut nearly in half (which is what happened under Romney's plan in Massachusetts that this is based off of).

Don't fall for it. Whats worse is these politicians though, they are really playing up the fear factor of these changes just to spook people in hopes of going back to what we had before (which everyone agrees wasn't working). That way they can say Obama's health care failed and get him kicked out of office. Good think we now know that won't happen now. Combine his success on the health care, and our recovering economy (did you know houses are being built again, house values on the rise, and business are even being renovated for expansion again too). Sure he was in over his head when Obama took over Bushes failed presidency but he swam without ever sinking, now the US is floating ok too. It just shows he made the correct, tough calls before and is set up for re-election pretty good too (at least against that flip-flopper, no foreign policy, business, government, and jobs killer they call Romney- what a joke he is huh).

[ForbiddenFruit]

Bu-bu-bu-but Brian it won't work because Obama and it was p-perfectly fine when it was called Romneycare because his magic Mormon underpants make all the difference! I don't want other people to have healthcare on my money - wait, what's that? Gosh darnit son, tha's dumb libbie talk about banks bein' bailed out on tax money, go back to yer wikipedier, we good 'ol boys down south dun' want none o' that 'thinkin' business down here, which is why we wanna outlaw teachin' people on askin' questions!

[Baby Brian]

Just sit back and believe what you're told. Don't bother with educating your selves, we'll tell you what to believe and what to buy (just don't believe were getting rich off it). Now vote for us, and open your wallets while you're at it too.

Sorry but I've tasted the forbidden fruit of knowledge. That may work on the masses but not on me.

[redneck diaper boy]

I have been educating myself. I still don't understand what my fair share is? By the time I add up my income tax, my real estate tax, my automobile tax, my gasoline tax, my sales tax, my utility tax, my cable TV tax, my social security tax and my medicare tax, they get 60 percent of my income!

Where do they draw the line?

[Baby Brian]

Actually Fairtax.org did a really good job adding up what we average on taxes. I agree it feels like 60% but it's realistically more like 30%. Still a bug chunk though. If we can get those dead beats to chip in even 5% of what they're supposed to be paying then you'd think we could get that 5% off. Too bad that won't happen though. The government and these corporations will just keep on taking it. All I'm asking for is that they stop charging us more and more.

[Bettypooh]

30%, 60% or whatever- it's too high for what we get in return I do recall hearing of a place where after the government raised their taxes to 17% the people said that it was unconscionable and they revolted Can anyone guess where that was? Hint: Most of us live here

We're in much the same kind of overtaxed situation now and have been for decades Perhaps the additional tax the poor will have to pay for not being able to pay for Obama-Romney-care private insurance will get us off our behinds Anyone got a Tri-corner hat they can spare?

Bettypooh

[Baby Brian]

I do recall hearing of a place where after the government raised their taxes to 17% the people said that it was unconscionable and they revolted Can anyone guess where that was?

Either it was the US just before the revolutionary war when people were more used to not being taxed at all, or it was Greece. Look what happened in both cases. I do remember someone once said there are two certainties in life. Death and Taxes.

[Diaper Mike 05]

Except the fact the Supreme Court got it wrong. Forcing everyone to buy something is not a power that is afforded to Congress, so it truly is Unconstitutional. The state can (think car insurance), but the federal government cannot.

And Brian, I get 20% taken off the top. You cannot tell me that with a sales tax of 8.75% on all purchases, I am only paying 30% in taxes when you add in the property tax, school tax, utility tax...

[BoTox]

Except the fact the Supreme Court got it wrong. Forcing everyone to buy something is not a power that is afforded to Congress, so it truly is Unconstitutional. The state can (think car insurance), but the federal government cannot.

And Brian, I get 20% taken off the top. You cannot tell me that with a sales tax of 8.75% on all purchases, I am only paying 30% in taxes when you add in the property tax, school tax, utility tax...

To fair, you do not have to have car insurance at all. Simply not owning a car absolves you from the requirement of having car insurance. Many states will allow you to take out a bond of sufficient value to avoid having auto insurance as well. However, the mere act of being now requires you to buy a product you may not want or need. That is unconstitutional. They skirted the commerce clause by defining it a tax.

There is no right to other people's money or services. You cannot keep robbing Peter to pay Paul and let Paul vote for how much of Peter's money you take. That, certain as the day is long, is not fair. The US is not Mob Rule (Democracy) and we, as citizens, are guaranteed certain inalienable rights. The healthcare law violated several of them.

I saw a good quote the other day: I'm supposed to be mad about what Romney does with his money but OK with what Obama does with mine?

[DiapermanAl]

Never did and never will.

[Diapered Jason]

This complaining about Obamacare by the right is futile. Obamacare and Romneycare is the most private sector solution passable. If you don't like it, you should have supported rather than opposed the socialist solution where you actually do pay a tax and have the health care paid by the government rather than private insurer. At least with the latter, you are not forced to buy something, but more taxes would be necessary to pay for it. In case you do want to argue about that though, the true private health care system would have no health insurance. Instead, you go to the hospital, pay the doctor, then get treatment. If you do not have any money, sorry, goodbye. I don't think anyone is for that. I for one think the Swiss health care system is worth a try. In this system, you can choose whether to get your insurance from a private insurer or a public insurer, but you are still required to get it. I think if we had decided to stick with the public option during the time this was being debated, it would have been much better. Unfortunately, this bill we have now helps the insurance companies more than anybody. It might bring down the cost of healthcare for the government in the long run by simply removing some free loaders, but it will not bring down the gross cost of healthcare. There will be more co-pays for you and me. So yeah, I do not like it either, but at least I was not that guy on the right who complained that the other plan, quite possibly the better plan, was socialism.

[BoTox]

This complaining about Obamacare by the right is futile. Obamacare and Romneycare is the most private sector solution passable. If you don't like it, you should have supported rather than opposed the socialist solution where you actually do pay a tax and have the health care paid by the government rather than private insurer. At least with the latter, you are not forced to buy something, but more taxes would be necessary to pay for it. In case you do want to argue about that though, the true private health care system would have no health insurance. Instead, you go to the hospital, pay the doctor, then get treatment. If you do not have any money, sorry, goodbye. I don't think anyone is for that. I for one think the Swiss health care system is worth a try. In this system, you can choose whether to get your insurance from a private insurer or a public insurer, but you are still required to get it. I think if we had decided to stick with the public option during the time this was being debated, it would have been much better. Unfortunately, this bill we have now helps the insurance companies more than anybody. It might bring down the cost of healthcare for the government in the long run by simply removing some free loaders, but it will not bring down the gross cost of healthcare. There will be more co-pays for you and me. So yeah, I do not like it either, but at least I was not that guy on the right who complained that the other plan, quite possibly the better plan, was socialism.

You are not truthful in your statement, either by accident or intentionally. There would be a health insurance market, stronger without cross state line restrictions and without government mandating they cover pre-existing. Health insurance exists because, like all insurance, it makes money out of spreading the calculated risk to all subscribers. Not everybody needs a colonoscopy or quad bypass every year. Rates are set accordingly. If insurance companies have to take everyone, including someone that finds out they have cancer and then signs up, that's like getting car insurance after you've crashed the car. It is no longer insurance to manage risk, which is all insurance is, risk management.

When I was growing up, I went to the doctor and paid for my visit, no insurance needed and oddly enough, it was about the same as a copay is today if adjusted for inflation. Imagine that.

As for copays, they may restrict the max but the local megahospital in middle TN now has a sweetheart deal. One visit that included an x-ray saw me hammered with 3 separate copays, the doctor, the radiology imaging and the radiologist. Nailed me for close to $100 for one visit. They effectively tripled the rate without raising it by making each a free standing entity.

Make no mistake about it, this is more about government/nanny state takeover or our lives than about healthcare in general. I detest all intrusions into my life that are not required to secure our borders, provide for defense or provide public order. I do not see healthcare in any of those categories or much of anything else the feds are doing.

Mark my words, not many more people will have insurance after all this comes to pass and we will have had the largest tax increase in recent memory because of it.

[Bettypooh]

I too see this method as doomed. First, if someone cannot afford insurance now, they cannot afford it in a few years when their wages haven't increased Second, many like me have crunched the numbers and know that for the first few years at least, it is cheaper for me to pay the tax than to pay for insurance- and Medicaid will still cover us Third, as all this happens insurance rates will be skyrocketing because of the 'new people' seeking care that they couldn't previously get because they were not insured- instead of having a larger base to draw money from insurance companies will have higher bills per person than ever before and they will increase premiums to cover that, making insurance even less affordable than it is now That will also drive even more people to pay the now-cheaper tax instead of buying insurance, and that will reduce the base of payers and increase the rates to keep the cycle going ad nauseum till we're worse off than we are now

Even ten years from now there will be many who cannot afford insurance and will not have it. The problem will remain until we remove all parts of medicine from the category of an investment opportunity and create a truly fair payment system for everyone- something we've never seen offered here. Anything short of that will never work I've already got a rather large list if things I need treatment for so when I do see having insurance as the best option, I'm going to cost then fifty times what they will ever see from me- and every thing I get treated for will be totally legitimate and covered. It's sure nice of y'all to pay for my derelict body- Thanks!

As with the government, the problem isn't in the system- it is the system- and the only real fix is to fix the system itself before trying anything else

[Diapered Jason]

BoTox, as you so pointed out, you are referring to the insurance system. The insurance system is not capitalism. What you described in your own words is closer to socialism. That does not matter though. What matters is how we can fix the system both in terms of getting people the health care they need while bringing down the percent of GDP we spend on health care each year. Of course, insurance is going to do what they do best, make a profit. That is true.

Bettypooh, there are so many ideas out there for improving the system. It is ridiculous we are not even trying a practical one. That is why we suck. I am just a layman in this topic and I can describe many ideas for fixing the health care system, especially in terms of cost and efficiency. Of course, there are certain political blocks that prevent these things from being implemented and they have quite a bit of power. Where does the money go? The system was inefficient for a reason before and now it has become even more inefficient.

No cost control = hospital/drug supplier haven

Health insurance mandate = health insurer haven

Heck, the pharmaceutical industry gave Obama a huge campaign contribution already for this year's election just as in 2008. While both Romney and Obama get significant contributions from this industry, Obama has already received hundreds of thousands more. All together, one source said the amount of contributions from the pharmaceutical industry to congress during the health care reform debate was $26.2 million. On top of the amount the health insurance companies pumped into this fight as well, the public option never stood a chance and there never was a real discussion on reducing cost.

So, you are pretty much right Bettypooh, but I prefer blaming congress and the presidency on this issue rather than the entire entity of government, because it is not government's fault, it is their fault.

By the way, if you think Romney is going to take back Obamacare, you have got to be very gullible.

This is why when I hear about the right complaining about Obamacare, it is futile, because if Romney had been president, he would have done the same thing. If you really want to help, you need to take a more progressive position, and I mean a real progressive position. Obamacare is not liberal, it is a product of bought politics as is clearly evident.