Diapers In The News - A Thought

[BabyFergstar]

Like the title of this topic says, this is just a thought. Let it be known that I am NOT trying to tell anybody how to run the website that they pay to maintain, or what have you. Just a thought and a question.

A lot of people have been griping recently about the "censorship", or the closing of topics around here. I can honestly see both sides of the issue here. Free speech would be ideal, but how many other sites have been ruined by flame wars? I can understand somebody not wanting their site to devolve into that.

My question is this - Does this occur in every forum on this site? I'm sincerely asking because the only forums I check out here are Stories and Diapers in the News. I've never seen the whole Right vs. Left in the Stories forum, so I'm wondering if it happens in any other forum besides this one?

If not, my thought is this - If Diapers in the News is the only forum the political stuff gets started in, I would say just let it ride. (Again, just a thought, not trying to tell people how to manage their stuff.) Let's face it, rarely is there such a thing as News without Politics. That's why we have Fox News and MSNBC. I mean, if journalism is the dispassionate and impersonal reporting of world events, then journalism truly doesn't exist anymore. I just think it's silly to censor threads in the Diapers in the News forum when a thread gets political. Thanks again for having this page and this community. I really do enjoy it.

[LuvsGurl]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked there wasn't such a thing as a "Forum User's Bill of Rights" that guaranteed freedom of expression, so the mods are free to close or remove any thread that they don't like.

That being said, this isn't a political forum either. In my experiences "discussions" of politics quickly degrade into mudslinging and flame wars. If you want to discuss politics, take it somewhere else.

[Repaid1]

I myself Moderate the whole forums section. Flame wars start in just about all of them at some time or another. There is only one true Administrator and owner of this site. As such I sit back and learn from him on his likes and dislikes pertaining to this site. That being said if I see something that I know he wouldn't approve of then I take action on it. Other than that I don't form a view beyond what I know is and isn't allowed to be on this site, such as minors and pics of minors, stories of and the like.

I haven't witnessed a true closing of topics on just a political view or other areas of trifle as I am sure DD has his and probably differ from others. What does happen is when a topic gets TOTALLY off topic and no longer has anything to do with the OP and is locked. That may be to religious, political, or just straight out name calling which does nothing to further a opinion on topic. As such I have found if someone started a thread that for the most part had something to do with something meaningful and not to just start a all out "TROLL", then that thread is left alone until it gets to a bickering match.

Also as was mentioned in DD's thread, some topics are just put in a "time out" status, then returned at a later time to the boards to let things cool down. It isn't fair to erase one persons post so generally the thread is either removed or postponed so as to keep the finger pointing and attitudes at a civilized level.

That's my response.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The idea of "freedom of speech [or expression]" is uniquely political and pertains to the government. It stricly forbids the government from using physical force against its critics so long as the criticism was not totally fraudulent (it being the proper role of government to prohibit fraud). Over time, this degenerated into "anything goes" .

A forum is provided by someone. It is not a governement function. How that meshes with "freedom of expression " is this: the right of freedom of speech menas that the government cannot forcibly stop you from saying your piece. Nobody can be morally required to give you the means to say your piece because it would violate their rights in that area.

Now on the other hand and with the forgoing being true. One might think that an owner of an "alternative lifestyle" forum would be more tolerant since his clientele would be more subject to bigotry in the larger society. Even so, that owner would have the right to exert control of even the content of that forum and may, if so desired, ban certain types of experssion, such as political since that is percieved to start off-topic fights, and keep the fourms topic-relevant. The only covervative-liberal fight around here shoule be cloth vx throw-away (maybe we can do that as an "election" in 2012). However, that should be stated up front

That goes back to DD losing its PayPal accredidtation on the grounds of being pornographic. Well some of what I have seen here, while not official, such as "Juzzy Diapers" and other, very explicit topics or presentations, plus having a forum about scat, which is an official part of DD, touches on the pornographic

To sum it up: Though the owner of an "alternative lifestyle" board has the absolute right of control, one would think that he/she would allow more latitude in the discussion as the subject matter warrants and would try to ban the disruptive. LuvsGurl is essentially correct

[Repaid1]

Lost on the forum on scat and how you said it. We do not officially or not so have a forum for that, and never will.

[LuvsGurl]

Lost on the forum on scat and how you said it. We do not officially or not so have a forum for that, and never will.

I believe the "Stinky, Squishy and Proud" forum is being referred to.

I much prefer the name "Creepy, Trolling and Proud" since those are the only kind of people who post there. It's DD's collective garbage dump.

[square_duck]

I believe the "Stinky, Squishy and Proud" forum is being referred to.

I much prefer the name "Creepy, Trolling and Proud" since those are the only kind of people who post there. It's DD's collective garbage dump.

Gee....I post there and read that folder also.....thanks for the 'support"

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

Ummm....yeah. well let me put it this way

That is a distinktion without a difference, or one could say "same s**t: different day. and it could cause some to think that it does not pass the smell test

[Diapered Jason]

Well, if you want my opinion, I think the moderators dropped the ball on this one. This is not because they decided to censor, but because they did not do it soon enough. In retrospective, the first political post related to the recent censorship was a flat out verbal spanking of Stanley. Once a post created to insult one person is made as a message of hate, it is generally political. This was no exception, and its ties to fox news only intensified this.

The threads should have been closed at the sight of the first definitive negative comment of Stanley. Saying something like "it seems Stanley is capable of working" is not the same as "Stanley is ripping off social security and has been doing it since childhood," which is political by the way.

Take it or leave it, that is just my opinion.

[DailyDi]

Despite how the three threads on censorship make it seem, there isn't widespread censorship here. I removed a total of 3 topics which were essentially the same. And here's why:

1. Abusing a member (Stanley) to make political points is a violation of our "no personal attacks" rule.

2. The threads had gone completely off-topic.

3. The threads had disintegrated into member-against-member name calling based on political beliefs - see "no personal attacks."

If people want to debate entitlement programs, politics and religion, we have a forum for that "The Rest of your Life - Anything Goes" and so long as it remains civil no mod will touch it.

[BabyFergstar]

LuvsGirl, you completely missed my point, but thanks for playing.

RePaid, nice and well thought out response and I apprciate your insight.

Christine, same goes for you.

DailyDi, I'll be sure to check out that other forum on here, but gotta say, my original idea about news and politics being joined at the hip hasn't wavered in the least, but out of respect and appreciation for you and your site I'll try and keep my big boy comments away from everybody who puts more emphasis on the latter part of ADULT BABY.

[happydprdcouple]

The only reason u would censor posts is because your intimidated by independent thought!!! I did not attach anyone! Stanely made himself and the community look like idiots!! So many victims and no accountability! I guess the new American way! How's that working out for our country!! It's not we have become a weak nation that the rest of the world laughs at!!

[Diapered Jason]

The only reason u would censor posts is because your intimidated by independent thought!!! I did not attach anyone! Stanely made himself and the community look like idiots!! So many victims and no accountability! I guess the new American way! How's that working out for our country!! It's not we have become a weak nation that the rest of the world laughs at!!

Ok, that was very narcissistic.

Firstly, I have to ask why do you care so much?

Secondly, yes you did attack him and you are attacking him now.

Thridly, you are not bringing the victims thing up again are you?

Lastly, it might be time to close the thread now, lol.

[DailyDi]

The only reason u would censor posts is because your intimidated by independent thought!!! I did not attach anyone! Stanely made himself and the community look like idiots!! So many victims and no accountability! I guess the new American way! How's that working out for our country!! It's not we have become a weak nation that the rest of the world laughs at!!

Your posts on the topic are just getting to be idiotic. First, you can't use Stanley as a poster-child for everything that is wrong with our country, especially now that his disability status has been investigated and confirmed. Second, your posts on depression which amount too "I've been sad before too!" show a complete lack of understanding of the difference between temporary situational sadness and clinical depression.

Did you actually see the show? The full show, not the edited clips online? Stanley did an excellent job of explaining non-sexual adult babies and did not make us look like idiots. The people who were disgusted by it were never going to understand it or accept it. Most of them didn't tune into the show, but saw bits and pieces of it on other programs where the hosts told them how they were expected to react before showing it. People who watch "Taboo" are interested in learning about the sub-cultures of the world. It was the right forum to try and create awareness.

If you have to cling to this story to make political points, I suggest you pick up a newspaper. There is PLENTY to enraged about these days that doesn't involve kicking a guy when he's down.

[drynot]

The only reason u would censor posts is because your intimidated by independent thought!!! I did not attach anyone! Stanely made himself and the community look like idiots!! So many victims and no accountability! I guess the new American way! How's that working out for our country!! It's not we have become a weak nation that the rest of the world laughs at!!

Whoa there dude....now you're just starting to rant and rave. You're beginning to look like a lunatic!!

I'm not trying to be an ass but sentence structure and proper grammar will go a long ways towards helping people take you a bit more seriously....

[sarah_ab]

I really enjoy the series "taboo" they do some really cool segments.... They did one episode about body modification and showed some people who had metal spikes that screwed into their skull and were covered in lizard scale tattoos....

me i will never understand the need or desire to want to do that..... but I don't have to understand it..... I do accept that its their right, their choice to do that to themselves.....

sides it was some really good artwork......

But back to the OP... i'm not sure censorship is even the appropriate word to use. How about just "the owner of the site decided to remove content he felt was misrepresentative of the 'ultimate goal' of his product"..... DD OWNS this site, and as such anything we post on it, represents this site and him. So he has every right to remove whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

To cry censorship on a privately owned website which you are being ALLOWED to use.... is just rediculous.... its like going into a catholic church and preaching a completely different holy book and then being upset when they ask you to leave.....

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

DailyDi, I'll be sure to check out that other forum on here, but gotta say, my original idea about news and politics being joined at the hip hasn't wavered in the least, but out of respect and appreciation for you and your site I'll try and keep my big boy comments away from everybody who puts more emphasis on the latter part of ADULT BABY.

Given the alarming rate at which government at different levels is arrogating power to do such things as force us to use specific kinds of light bulbs or regulating the types of foods we eat (just for starters) we are entering the age of soft totalitarianism: Totalitarianism being the scope of our lives that government intrudes into and soft because the various agencies that make up the network of this intrusion have not come under a single control system, it follows that news and politics are joined at the hip just as "arrrrrggghhh!!!!!" follows from a Dran-O enema (if Dran-O is what it was 40 years ago). You have to keep alert to learn what they are going to screw you out of or jam down your throat next.

[Diapered Jason]

Given the alarming rate at which government at different levels is arrogating power to do such things as force us to use specific kinds of light bulbs or regulating the types of foods we eat (just for starters) we are entering the age of soft totalitarianism

heh, so you want to eat food or drugs that could kill you?

[DailyDi]

And this is why these posts get closed. Somehow we've gone from Stanley to Disability to Censorship to Government control to Lightbulbs!

But since we are on the subject: After the tornadoes came through here I had a chance to see the benefit of CFL bulbs. I was running my office from a UPS battery and could visibly see the power consumption difference between 'standard' and CFL bulbs. My CFL used one 5th the power my standard bulb lamp used, and the energy saving benefits of switching to all CFL's became clear. Also, I have had my current CFL bulb for over a year - 8+ hours of use a day, not bad!

[BabyFergstar]

LOL...I just started with an observation about how politics and news go hand in hand. Funny how people take that and somehow think their posts in this subject make sense.

[aleyxsis]

and now way off topic !!.Look a bunny !!!!!

[happydprdcouple]

I'm typing on my phone and have taken ambian by now! If my grammar is not up to your standards!! I understand depression!! I understand that u need to quit crying and they the F*** over it! It won't happen over night but with a strong mental attitude it will!! U call me a lunitic!! I would be willing to bet that because of my values and convictions I am one of the more well adjusted people affected by infantilism! I live an amazing normal life. I have a great job and make an above average living! I have a smoking hot wife that loves me for my strength and the way I lead my family! I have 5 amazing kids that adore and respect me! I have many friends that not only enjoy my company, but also respect me! Infantilism has given me more compassion for people that may be a little different from me or others! I refuse to let something like wearing a diaper dictate the outcome of my life!! Lots of people arround me know about my secret! I realise now that they don't care! They are more concerned with the way I live my life with integrity and character! It's funny to me that the people that disagree with me refuse to debate the facts and instead make personal attacks on me! Typical liberals! I will always speak my mind and stay strong with my convictions!! Even if u don't want to hear it I will keep it real and speak the truth! Be a winner not a victim!!! Yes the victim thing again!!! Get a job! It's not my job to support u!! Entitlement programs are not charity!! I would help those that truly can't function and provide for themselves! That is charity! Charity is voluntary not mandatory! 1 of every 6 Americans are on food stamps!! That is embarrassing!!! Most of u that read this will think "is that the truth?? I don't want to hear that". Those of u that read this and take it to heart good for u!! U too have a chance for a life as amazing and as fulfilled as mine!! Oh and to offend even more of u politically correct people God is the key factor!! If u put God first,( and I know it can be hard at times) try to live ur life everyday by his teachings and valued. If u do this, and take accountability when u fail, and ask for forgivness you will reap great blessings!!! Good luck

[sarah_ab]

most people as secure an well adjusted as you say you arent dont need to tell every one how secure and well adjusted they are

[diapered charles]

Let me interject for a moment because I'm sure Jason is curious as to how I feel about the situation. I support Daily Di's notion that we shouldn't be using a single individual to harp about our political beliefs. As such, he closed down the topic and I support it even though I was just getting going.

Daily Di mentioned that no one here was qualified enough to comment on Stanley's condition and he was right. I had a few beers and I felt like having a political debate. However, I choose the wrong section. I have been here longer than most and as you can see I rarely post. It's because I have learned that I'm never going to convince anyone to view things the way I see them. It just so happened on that particular day, I had enough Miller lights to convince me otherwise.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

heh, so you want to eat food or drugs that could kill you?

Before you try to read someone else's mind, get one of your own and before you try to intellectually browbeaat someone, get one of those of your own, too. Your "question" was one big ball of assumptions. and you know what you do when you "ass u me". well I am not going to play your little game. Are you telling me that theere are not persons who got sick or died form eating food that was poisoned or spoiled in the last 3 years? We've had so many E Coli outbreks that it's not funny So your governemnt can do magic is shot full of holes Also If you look at electrical appliances, the gold standard is the Underwriters' Laboratories, not, repeat NOT the governement equivalent and just as a matter of principle I want to eat what I see fit, not live accoarding to some Fascist in some capital who does not know jack about jill and who is as rotten as a dog turd in a puddle on a sidewalk. Do you really belieive everything the government says?? I mean REALLY? It was the government to which the term "credibility gap" was first applied in the 1967-9 timeframe. Do the names Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon do it for you?

A comment on CFL and the government. The point is not if you should or should not used them. There are arguments both ways. I have a bunch of them. the argument is whether the government should have the right to FORCE you to If you say "yes". then remember freedom is not divisible. If you agree to let the government force someone to do something that is not anyone's business but their own then how long before that wheel of hurt comes wheeling around to you? As they say, what goes around comes around Finish this oft-cited quote"They came for the Jews. I did nothing because I was not Jewish. They came for..."

Asi I said, you have to keep alert with the government and I am not the first to make that observation I do not know to whome this quote belongs but "At no time are our liberties in greater peril than when the legislature is in session" which is why news and politics are joined at the hip and have been for 45 years during my lifetime Nor did I coin the terms "safety nazi" (P.J. O'Rourke; 1984), "health nazi" (Dr Dean Edell wanted to use it in the title of his book EAT DRINK AND BE MERRY: WHY THE HEALTH NAGS ARE WRONG But the publisher, being of the Politically Correct type would not let him) or "food police" (I did coin "foodstapo")

Now, "Politically Correct" has an interesting history. It made it's current appearance on college campuses c1987 used by the Left to describe themselves; according to an article in a WPI student newspaper on the then current student slang, It had been dormant for 50 years, originationg among the Communist students in the universities in the Soviet Union in the 1930's