Taxes On Diapers

[redneck diaper boy]

One of the provisions, in the helathcare proposal, is a tax one medical supplies. It isn't clear yet if diapers are considered medical supplies. Lets face the facts, Prezbo wants your money.

Us older people, who plan to be on Medicare, had better look out as well. There are plans to cut billions from Medicare. The current plan grandfathers existing Medicare clients but people comming in to the system will get screwed!

[diaperedandspanked]

One of the provisions, in the helathcare proposal, is a tax one medical supplies. It isn't clear yet if diapers are considered medical supplies. Lets face the facts, Prezbo wants your money.

Us older people, who plan to be on Medicare, had better look out as well. There are plans to cut billions from Medicare. The current plan grandfathers existing Medicare clients but people comming in to the system will get screwed!

Screwed by OUR government? Is this something new? They need to screw us to keep giving foreign aid to the nutcases of the world.

[ArtemisEnterri]

Screwed by OUR government? Is this something new? They need to screw us to keep giving foreign aid to the nutcases of the world.

I'm so sick of American money being "gifted" to foreign countries without a requirement of those countries paying it back.

Enough of the ads about "starving kids in Africa" and "helping the 3rd world become more technological". Where's the help for OUR OWN homeless population and starving children?!?!?!?!

The government is getting TOO DAMN BIG, and Liar-in-Chief Hussein is trying to make it BIGGER. IMPEACH THE BASTARD ALREADY!

The democrats are gonna lose a SHIT-TON of seats during the 2010 elections!

[AutieAB]

[Moana]

Ha, I've felt like that my entire life.

[redneck diaper boy]

I hope you are right.

Young people have the most to loose here. Under the proposal, you will be forced to buy your own insurance or pay a fine. The plan is to charge young people the same premium cost as older people. Older people require more healthcare. Give it a few more years and American healthcare will be rationed. Socialism only works until the government runs out of other people's money.

I'm so sick of American money being "gifted" to foreign countries without a requirement of those countries paying it back.

Enough of the ads about "starving kids in Africa" and "helping the 3rd world become more technological". Where's the help for OUR OWN homeless population and starving children?!?!?!?!

The government is getting TOO DAMN BIG, and Liar-in-Chief Hussein is trying to make it BIGGER. IMPEACH THE BASTARD ALREADY!

The democrats are gonna lose a SHIT-TON of seats during the 2010 elections!

[Creepymouse]

News flash, the US govt ran out of other people's money a long time ago. They just keep printing more. Its called the "inflation tax".

[anondl]

Yea, I'm not getting into this one either. Can I join you in the audience?

Anondl

[speedy_d's]

That's just what I need, it wasn't bad enough that my wheelchair costs $40,000, why not throw some taxes onto that price. It's okay that the government wants to tax medical equipment because we already can't afford it anyways! Maybe with any luck I will die before I lose insurance coverage.

[speedy_d's]

Yea, I'm not getting into this one either. Can I join you in the audience?

Anondl

This is the opposite of what people should do concerning the health care reform. Maybe you are currently blessed with great health, but at some point in your life(maybe not now but certainly when you are old) you will rely on the heath care system for your well being, and it might not be there or it might be too expensive for you to afford. The only way change is going to happen is if everyone gets together and voices their concern, because while it may not be pertinent to everyone now, the health care reform affects us all in one way or another.

[loopy]

you will rely on the heath care system for your well being, and it might not be there or it might be too expensive for you to afford.

Isn't this the problem with your current health care system? The fact that if insurance doesn't cover it, you either die or go bankrupt?

I thank my lucky stars everyday that I can rely on the NHS to at least give me a basic level of health care with out demanding everything from my pockets.

[ArtemisEnterri]

Isn't this the problem with your current health care system? The fact that if insurance doesn't cover it, you either die or go bankrupt?

I thank my lucky stars everyday that I can rely on the NHS to at least give me a basic level of health care with out demanding everything from my pockets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had read that the general taxes (sales tax, VAT, income tax, etc) are HIGHER in the UK than they are in the USA... And that for more than half of low-end job categories (fast-food, chain-store cashiers, etc) the UK pay rate is LOWER than the USA rate... (The only major exception to that is waitstaff at restaurants, since in America they get paid less than 1/3 of the standard "minimum wage" because they rely on tips, but in Europe they are paid a full working wage and in most cases tips are discouraged... In Japan it's even considered rude to leave a tip...)

[Floaty_Boy]

*YAAAAWWWNNNNN*

Evil democrats, socialized medicine, blah, blah, blah, blah...

Evil republicans, money for the rich, health-care lobby, blah, blah, blah, blah...

There, I took care of both sides of the argument for you all.

--Floaty

[anondl]

This is the opposite of what people should do concerning the health care reform. Maybe you are currently blessed with great health, but at some point in your life(maybe not now but certainly when you are old) you will rely on the heath care system for your well being, and it might not be there or it might be too expensive for you to afford. The only way change is going to happen is if everyone gets together and voices their concern, because while it may not be pertinent to everyone now, the health care reform affects us all in one way or another.

I meant I don't want to engage in this discussion in this venue. I am 56, unemployed and therefore uninsured and have health problems. I am all for a single payer health care system not run by multi-millionaire ceos who line their pockets by denying coverage to sick people. I'd rather have gov't bureaucrats instead of profit motivated bureaucrats anyday.

Anondl

[ljt]

People with no real knowledge about an issue repeating something someone said somewhere with authority.

Inject a bit of moral imperative and you have the random democrat picked off the street.

Inject a bit of fear mongering and you have the random republican similarly plucked.

In either case, every Joe the Plumber seems to think they're a policy expert these days.

Such is democracy in the age of the inter-webs.

[loopy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had read that the general taxes (sales tax, VAT, income tax, etc) are HIGHER in the UK than they are in the USA... And that for more than half of low-end job categories (fast-food, chain-store cashiers, etc) the UK pay rate is LOWER than the USA rate... (The only major exception to that is waitstaff at restaurants, since in America they get paid less than 1/3 of the standard "minimum wage" because they rely on tips, but in Europe they are paid a full working wage and in most cases tips are discouraged... In Japan it's even considered rude to leave a tip...)

Maybe our taxes are higher, but I like the fact that if I get hit by a car I won't be losing all my life savings. Or that I won't be asked for a credit card before I get treatment. The standards of life in the US is just as comparable to the UK (ie crap in both places). I don't mind paying a little extra for better and free at point of delivery health care.

I am surprised at the amount of hatred against these health care reforms, which seem to be about giving poorer people access to basic health care, especially since America is meant to be a christian country, and helping the poor seems like a very christian thing to do.

Just seems like republicans are getting so worked up not because of the issues, but because its been suggested by a democrat.

Some socialism is a good thing, you just gotta be careful not to take it too far, like the labour government here, who've created a system that doesn't help anyone, and criminalizes a lot of people for no reason.

Oh and ljt gets a +1 from me.

[ArtemisEnterri]

I meant I don't want to engage in this discussion in this venue. I am 56, unemployed and therefore uninsured and have health problems. I am all for a single payer health care system not run by multi-millionaire ceos who line their pockets by denying coverage to sick people. I'd rather have gov't bureaucrats instead of profit motivated bureaucrats anyday.

Anondl

Anon, I'm also unemployed with no healthcare (have been since the first week of January) and would rather have the government STAY THE HELL OUTTA MY LIFE. What car I choose to drive IS MY CHOICE! Whether or not I purchase a healthcare plan IS MY CHOICE!

At least the "profit motivated bureaucrats" of a business know the difference between a WORKING program and a FAILING program. Without profit, companies fail. But the government NEVER runs with a profit, it is ALWAYS A LOSS!!!!! So WHY does the government keep paying for programs that a CORPORATION would have TERMINATED quickly after realizing how much of a loss it was for the owners/shareholders?!?!?!?!?

The government is getting too F'ING BIG AND NEEDS TO STOP GROWING, AND ALSO NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE. If a company is failing, LET IT FAIL! And let a competitor pick up the pieces. America survived for TWO HUNDRED YEARS BEING CAPITALIST! The idiots in government now are trying to DESTROY EVERYTHING America stood for and represented in the world: Freedom of CHOICE, freedom to live how you wanted to live, buy what you wanted to buy, live where you wanted to live, OWN what you WANTED to own... For the last twenty years, the government has been getting involved in things that should have been left alone in the FREE MARKET where they belonged.

Maybe our taxes are higher, but I like the fact that if I get hit by a car I won't be losing all my life savings. Or that I won't be asked for a credit card before I get treatment. The standards of life in the US is just as comparable to the UK (ie crap in both places). I don't mind paying a little extra for better and free at point of delivery health care.

I am surprised at the amount of hatred against these health care reforms, which seem to be about giving poorer people access to basic health care, especially since America is meant to be a christian country, and helping the poor seems like a very christian thing to do.

Just seems like republicans are getting so worked up not because of the issues, but because its been suggested by a democrat.

Some socialism is a good thing, you just gotta be careful not to take it too far, like the labour government here, who've created a system that doesn't help anyone, and criminalizes a lot of people for no reason.

Oh and ljt gets a +1 from me.

I'm not arguing against healthcare, what I'm arguing against is GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED healthcare.

When, at any point in the last 50 or 100 years, has the American government done ANYTHING that was in any way SUCCESSFUL as compared to an equivalent program run by a PRIVATE BUSINESS???

The idiots in government seem to think that you can solve a problem simply by throwing more money into a failing program, even if that program has been active (and failing the whole time) for 10+ years. But when a business has a program that they know is failing (whether it is losing a million dollars a year or a thousand dollars a day) they TERMINATE that program in order to SAVE the company (and the SHAREHOLDERS/OWNERS) from losing MONEY. Doesn't anyone else see that what the government is doing with OUR money is WRONG?!?!?!?!?!

And don't forget the fact that the money for ALL (American) government programs comes from US, the individuals... The actual politicians (at the Federal level, not sure about state level...) PAY NO TAXES on their salaries (which are paid from the money received from OUR TAXES). And every politician who retires (whether after only ONE year or FORTY years in office) receives their FULL PAY RATE for the rest of their lives! They don't have to use the healthcare plan they are trying to force on us cuz they have their own ultra-platinum coverage, they don't have to use the Social Security system for their retirement cuz they have their own super plan... And those plans are not paid for by them at all, EVERY PENNY spent by those plans for the politicians comes from OUR taxes, never from their own pocket!!!!!

I don't consider that fair at all. Maybe if the politicians had to use the same programs they expect us to use (Welfare, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, Income Tax, etc), they would have SOLVED the problems in each program instead of IGNORING THEM YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!

[Corwin]

*cough* Really? Government is that bad? Huh...

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

[loopy]

*cough* Really? Government is that bad? Huh...

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

Yay, someone with sense and the ability to post more then a few words before getting bore.....

[babytbone]

what would we do if this was just b 4 the eisenhower administration a lot of people would be shit outta luck and or dead super great post there corwin but im over GD taxed as im the owner of a small Inc. that i own i paid out $48000 in taxes last year and only $75000 went home for personal my company just barely broke even last year but i had 2 take a 25 % decrease in wages because of high feul prices

[ArtemisEnterri]

*cough* Really? Government is that bad? Huh...

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between being REGULATED and being CONTROLLED...

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

That is a LOCAL program, NOT A FEDERAL ONE.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

Gee, all things done at the EXPENSE of the taxpayer, but where is any PROFIT back from those programs? Do either the USDA or FDA PRODUCE anything ON THEIR OWN? NO, they just review what OTHER PEOPLE have worked to create.

And again you use the words "regulated" and "approved"... And haven't you noticed but the price of postage stamps keeps going UP, because FEWER people are using the USPS, they either use the PRIVATELY OWNED services of UPS, FedEx, or DHL, or else they rely on EMAIL and phone calls for their contacts with other people...

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

More talk of "regulations", where is the actual PRODUCTIVE WORK by the government program? There is NONE! All the PRODUCTIVE WORK is done by the businesses that are required to follow those regulations. And here again you refer to "state and local" programs, when my entire previous post was discussing FEDERAL programs.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

And the internet may have been "developed by" DARPA, but it was the PRIVATE SECTOR which made it into the global system that it is today.

I ask you again: When has the American government EVER done ANYTHING which GAINED A PROFIT AND ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY, INSTEAD OF SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON LOSS AFTER LOSS?????

[ArtemisEnterri]

what would we do if this was just b 4 the eisenhower administration a lot of people would be shit outta luck and or dead super great post there corwin but im over GD taxed as im the owner of a small Inc. that i own i paid out $48000 in taxes last year and only $75000 went home for personal my company just barely broke even last year but i had 2 take a 25 % decrease in wages because of high feul prices

Which is why I keep trying to get people to open their eyes to the fact that the American government is too damn big and keeps trying to get bigger, using OUR money...

I wouldn't have a problem if THEY (the politicians) were required to use the same programs they expect us to use (because they would make sure the programs were properly funded and run), but as I said, they have their own ultra-platinum level retirement and healthcare plans that are better than anything we would ever receive from them, and it is ALL paid by US, not a penny out of their own pockets EVER!

[redneck diaper boy]

I have to agree. The best example here is gasoline. The government doesn't drill for it or distribute it but the government makes more money on gasoline than the oil compamies! So much for bigggg profits!

I love to watch the government show its compassion with other people's money! I have said it before and I will say it again. Obama is a Marxist Communist!

This is an old film but it still applies!

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between being REGULATED and being CONTROLLED...

That is a LOCAL program, NOT A FEDERAL ONE.

Gee, all things done at the EXPENSE of the taxpayer, but where is any PROFIT back from those programs? Do either the USDA or FDA PRODUCE anything ON THEIR OWN? NO, they just review what OTHER PEOPLE have worked to create.

And again you use the words "regulated" and "approved"... And haven't you noticed but the price of postage stamps keeps going UP, because FEWER people are using the USPS, they either use the PRIVATELY OWNED services of UPS, FedEx, or DHL, or else they rely on EMAIL and phone calls for their contacts with other people...

More talk of "regulations", where is the actual PRODUCTIVE WORK by the government program? There is NONE! All the PRODUCTIVE WORK is done by the businesses that are required to follow those regulations. And here again you refer to "state and local" programs, when my entire previous post was discussing FEDERAL programs.

And the internet may have been "developed by" DARPA, but it was the PRIVATE SECTOR which made it into the global system that it is today.

I ask you again: When has the American government EVER done ANYTHING which GAINED A PROFIT AND ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY, INSTEAD OF SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON LOSS AFTER LOSS?????

[Pudding]

Obama is a Marxist Communist!

Does that mean that my country - which has had socialized health-care for many years; is run by Marxist Communists? o_o

[loopy]

Does that mean that my country - which has had socialized health-care for many years; is run by Marxist Communists? o_o

Yea, any country that isn't totally dedicated to being run by corporations only in it for the money, or who actually helps people out is definitely evil and against America in every way possible.

Do you republicans hear to your selves? Or do you take a fox news approach of who ever screams incoherently the loudest is the most rightest?