As Unusual As We Think?

[beachxbunni123]

Many claim that having a diaper fetish or being ABDL is rare or unusual... but how do we know that? I actually think that there are many people that have this fetish yet are too embarressed about it to do research on it or even acknowledge that they have one. For all we know, this fetish could be a lot more common than we think. I just think most people that don't know about the communities out there or are in denial about it. Unlike other fetishes and lifestyles, most people wouldn't talk about this openly since most unknown ABDLs are shocked themselves about this and are in denial. Thats why there are probably MANY ABDLs out there that just keep this a huge secret. I don't think many of us are as "alone in this" as we think we are.

[hidden]

well, for one thing, it is impossible to deny being in denial. the act of denying it is the definition of denial.

[phogendpf]

I don't think its that common. If it were, I would have met a diaper girl by now

[Bettypooh]

When you see something as normal it's not so hard to be open about it to some degree, but when you see something as abnormal or bad it's human nature to try to hide it and aviod any embarassment or pain that openness might bring What many people miss is that when you're considering discussing something with someone it's all about how they see it, not you Loving to be diapered as an adult is odd but we all see it in it's true perspective: it's not a big thing to worry about to us- but it's not us that we're worried about when share things like this. I've seen statistics about percentages of people who are Transexual, Gay, Crossdressers and so forth but we know statistics like this are just someone's best guess. I've seen no numbers about ABDLs nor would I much believe them anyway This is certainly an unusual thing, maybe even somewhat rare- I know there are at least a thousand of us online If you consider that Bambino's are probably bought only by us and not incontinents, then you begin to understand how big the numbers must really be, especially when many of us don't buy Bambinos! I'd venture a guess that the Bambinos people are also ABDL themselves since it would probably be far more profitable as a business to aim for bigger markets but even if my presumption is incorrect nobody would invest that kind of time and money to sell a few cases. So my conclusion is that there are a whole lot more of us than we know about though we just don't see them.

I don't care what it is, there are simply too many humans existing for you to be the only one who is into anything in particular.

Bettypooh

[Brudda Voodu]

I have often thought about this too. You know what is common about diapers? Everyone has worn and used them at some point in their life.

[tommee]

I have often thought about this too. You know what is common about diapers? Everyone has worn and used them at some point in their life.

Good point. I'd not thought about it like that before. Even if the amount of actual ABDLs isn't significantly larger, maybe this means the potential pool of sympathetic people will be.

[jbz2079]

It's no secret that the adult absorbant product market is a steadily expanding profitable business.

You only have to look at number of large companies who now make products aimed directly at the market

and the wide variety of things they produce to cater for that market.

I don't have any facts and figures but I would place a good guess on saying that a good percentage of this

market is made up of people like us, a good many who use these products for convieniance and personal

reasons as opposed to medical need.

im sure that there are many people who are AB/DL who never get online and if they did would

never admit the fact publicly.

I am medically incontinent and use the services of an incontinence advisor as I'm sure

many do, When I have appointments it is very rare for there to be anyone else in the waiting room

when I am, so you never have any idea of who else in youre area is in the same possition.

I was at a meeting a few years ago organised by the local continence service, it was intended

to let local people know what was available to them and maybey meet others using the service.

The turn out was very poor, There was six people turned up!!

I think this about sums things up, most didn't show up for fear of being recognised in public

as incontinent.

Now this was for something that could have helped then get a better deal from the srvice available

from the various health services and specialists who attended.

I think for a lot of people being AB/DL is very much like that, something you have and live with but

not something a lot of people want other to see them being interested in.

[gweg]

It's no secret that the adult absorbant product market is a steadily expanding profitable business.

You only have to look at number of large companies who now make products aimed directly at the market

and the wide variety of things they produce to cater for that market.

I don't have any facts and figures but I would place a good guess on saying that a good percentage of this

market is made up of people like us, a good many who use these products for convieniance and personal

reasons as opposed to medical need.

i

what I hate most is the ever changing products that are put out to BETTER the line. They want to put everyone in pullups and every one I ever tried leaked on me and I hate that. Try to explain that to your friends. I get so po'ed at the ever changing company lines. I even write to them to complain but I never here much back except once in a while a free coupon when I scream that they leak.

I can't afford the expensive ones like molicare and that as I'm on a disability budget and that means alot of depends when I can't wear my cloth when the wife is at work or away for awhile. I recently spent the last 2 month fishing this summer in our camper with another friend and every time we went to the local store (small) and I needed diapers they had 5-6 kinds of adult pull ups but only a few diapers and as I go through about 4 a day it gets old going to the little store and buying one pack of depends at a time cause they just stock a few of each freakN pullup and then one or two diapers grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

But hey the fishing was good and I learned to always call the wife to come up with 2 or 3 packs for me next time I go up...

[Junibug 4 Lucy]

my daddy (biodad) works in a few factories for his company....and some of the ones he goes to make adult drapers....he says that they are defiantly making more now than 10years ago....

also i was thinking that there are a lot of people who aren't confident with computers!....we think that if people are in there 20's they should be confident looking around on the internet, but i know a lot of, mainly girls, who go out of there way to avoid it!!

so i wonder how many girl ab's are out there and not ventured out to sites like DD yet.....

i do think that tere are a lot of us out there, more than we may think!

juniper

xxx

[Guest Baby-Toa]

my daddy (biodad) works in a few factories for his company....and some of the ones he goes to make adult drapers....he says that they are defiantly making more now than 10years ago....

also i was thinking that there are a lot of people who aren't confident with computers!....we think that if people are in there 20's they should be confident looking around on the internet, but i know a lot of, mainly girls, who go out of there way to avoid it!!

so i wonder how many girl ab's are out there and not ventured out to sites like DD yet.....

i do think that tere are a lot of us out there, more than we may think!

juniper

xxx

i agree with juniper. there are more then we think and some hate or can't use computers.

[diaperpt]

I think you are all in denial - denial that wearing and using diapers for the fun of it is a fringe activity. Sure they are making more adult diapers now - baby boomers are reaching an age where there is a need for them. And are you considering that many of the members here are ABDL but wear out of necessity, being incontinent? Ask yourself why the large incontinent population isn't more noticeable out in the public eye? Do you suppose it's due to a lack of general acceptance?

No doubt ABDL has increased in popularity and sites like this one are a great place for like minded people to come together, but I don't think it is a hugely growing trend. Neither do I think the public view of people wearing diapers has changed - or will change - dramatically. In some corners, there is understanding and empathy, sympathy for those who need to wear, but there is, I think, an even greater tendency to think its an old person thing that any 'sane' individual never wants to have to deal wi

I may be all wrong...but I just can't see any reality in the points of view expressed by others in this thread.

[Aleia]

I'm sure there are more diaper fetishists than we are aware of--there are people in denial, who haven't "outed" themselves, who don't have internet access, and who are ABDL but simply have no desire to commune with other ABDLs--but I'm pretty sure even those don't make us a significant number.

There are benefits to living on the fringe. For one thing, we get a lot more privacy and dignity this way. Even if ABDL became part of mainstream knowledge, that doesn't mean it would be viewed in a positive way. If anything, it would be a public joke. Look at this from outside the ABDL "box:" the image of a middle-aged man in diapers, wearing baby clothes, sucking on a pacifier and playing with baby toys makes most people want to puke. It's such a huge turn-off that many here have been rejected by their partners just for wearing diapers.

I think it's a mistake to assume this disgust is solely due to ignorance, and that people would be more accepting of ABDL if they "understood" it--in fact, learning more about ADBL might make some people even more nauseated at the idea. I can't imagine having encyclopedic knowledge about emetophilia or fecophilia would make them more appealing to me.

[d_drew12]

I really don't think any diaper manufacture puts 1 thought into what an ab/dl would like in a diaper except for bambino. If they did, you would see diapers much different than what they currently are. The reason bambino is probably so succesful is that all the other mfg are going away from the "baby diaper" look, feel, style, etc. and are producing what the market wants them to. You have seen diapers become more and more advanced with absorbancy, wetness indicators, liners, etc. but I guarantee you none of it's ab/dl driven. Imagine Kimberly clark design meetings and them all talking about what ab/dl's would really like to see. Sorry, not happening. If it were, you'd still see the majority of adult diapers as plastic backed, no wetness indicator, well...basically a bambino and since there really isn't one out there that's mainstream like it, then that says it all (other than secure obviously, same company). Look at how all the drug stores and retail stores have gone away from briefs and now sell mainly cloth pull-ups. Not something too many ab/dl's buy or would want.

I know china had there diaper fashion show not that long ago and the driving reason behind it was the aging population, not ab/dl. This is why the increase in diapers sales and not because there's more of us.

I would be willing to bet, out of all the adult diapers sold in the world, the number of them that are sold to an ab/dl who doesn't really "need" diapers are a drop in the bucket. Think about it, most of us are not daily users and if you are, you probably have a form of incontinence anyway and would require to buy regardless. Someone who's incontinent probably goes through 4+ diapers per day. Many ab/dl's maybe 4/week if you average it out. Yes, yes, some more, some less, some hardly wear but how often do most buy a case compared to a fully incontinent person. An incontinent person probably buys 7 - 10 times the number of diapers as an ab/dl on average. Just think of the semi loads of incontinence products that roll out of the factories. How many of them wind up in the hands of an ab/dl with no continence issues?

I'll start a post/poll maybe and see how many diapers per day people go through, incontinent or not.

Truth is, everyone would like to think it's not that unusual, but I believe it is. There would be way to many people who would come out publicly if it were more common, just as homosexuality has seemed to become "more popular" with people more accepting of it now than years ago. I'm sure that would be harder to come out and say than it would be to tell people your underwear preference, again, I may be wrong but just trying to use an analogy.

[freswith]

I have heard a figure quoted of 1 in 10,000 being ABDL, and frankly I think that is over-generous. It would mean about 6,000 or 7,000 in the UK. Perhaps 1 in 100,000 is active and/or on the net. It would be very interesting if somebody formed a sort of ABDL-suppliers trade association and came up with an estimate ofr the number of active ABDLs.

Many more have the feelings, but in the words of King Henry VIII, "If my cap knew my counsel, I would throw it in the fire and burn it." I knew of one bright young girl who developed the fetish, but shied away after she researched it.

I suspect that many more women have the kink, but are able to neutralise it or sublimate it by child-rearing. So who buys the frilly pants, then? It is notable that there have recently been some high-profile prosecutions of female nursery staff for supplying photos of children for paedophiles, and one presumes they are paedophiles themselves. Paedophilia is probably just as common amongst women, but once again they are effectively licensed to meddle with children, and so go undetected. Much of the engine of the anti-paedophile campaign seems to come from militant feminism.

As Aleia says, there are benefits to living on the fringe. Nobody bothers you, and you stay under the radar of the media and government. Once government become aware of us they will either criminalise us or tax us - or both! I have never been charged Value Aded Tax on any gear that I've purchased. Just you wait...

There are any number of homosexuals who wouldn't be seen dead in a Gay Pride march. Likewise there are probably a huge number of closet AB/DLs out there who would never dare even to think openly of having such a fetish.

[Carl2229]

I just read the thread about 3.7 million hits on DD in one day (Monday) I think that this indicates that there are far more of us out there than the 12500 members of DD.

Over the years I have seen several surveys done in the general public about wearing diapers for "fun," "recreation," or "sexual pleasure." If memory serves me correctly, it seems that all of these surveys came back with about a 80% positive response, meaning that many people, even if they don't or haven't worn diapers for fun are at least open to the idea.

Yep, I think there are a lot more of us out there.

[d_drew12]

Can anyone set up the poll, not sure how to do it but if somebody would and just state like "how many diapers do you use per week?" Then have several categories such as 1-2, 3-4 etc. Maybe have a column for continent or incontinent with the numbers running down each side too. Not sure if since I'm newer I can't do it or what. If I'm just missing it, let me know and I can do it myself.

So like this:

For Inconintence diapers per week:

5-6

7-8

9-10

11-12

13-14

15-16

17-18

19-20

Probaly do up to the 30's or more or combine numbers as some may use 4,5,6 per day.

Not for incontinence diapers per week:

0

1-2

3-4

etc. maybe up to 30's as well as some may use full time too.

Also, allow people to vote up to twice or once on each section this way we can see how many they use for actual incontinence and not, such as a bedwetter who wears during the day too.

Thanks

[DLinTampa]

Mahalo beachxbunni123 for starting a thread that has brought in such a diverse cross section of this community. All I can contribute is my thoughts on why I am very discrete and why I think the "main stream" is disguisted by just the idea of an adult enjoying diapers. Listen to the parents of 2 to 3 year olds and you will hear how anxious they all are to get their children potty trained. When you hear their "words of encouragement" you will know that yet another generation has been set-up to be negative about diapers. Does this bring back fond memories for ya'll yet?

Innocently enough, most of us were taught as children to be ashamed to caught in diapers and to be critical of those that are in them, unless they are really young infants. Kudos to those that rose above this and have compassion for incontinent people and especially to those that accept that we are okay.

Aloha ya'll!

[curiositykilledthecat]

Many claim that having a diaper fetish or being ABDL is rare or unusual... but how do we know that? I actually think that there are many people that have this fetish yet are too embarressed about it to do research on it or even acknowledge that they have one. For all we know, this fetish could be a lot more common than we think. I just think most people that don't know about the communities out there or are in denial about it. Unlike other fetishes and lifestyles, most people wouldn't talk about this openly since most unknown ABDLs are shocked themselves about this and are in denial. Thats why there are probably MANY ABDLs out there that just keep this a huge secret. I don't think many of us are as "alone in this" as we think we are.

Well I used to be one of those people till i started asearching random topics on wikipedia and I decided to see what came up under diaper and well, curiosity sprang.

[ArtemisEnterri]

Don't forget the fact that TV shows like the CSI's, HBO's "Real Sex", and others (Tyra Banks, Jerry Springer, etc) have painted a VERY BAD image of the ABDL world for the last 20 years... Then add in the moronic idiots who flash their diapers on the streets then get jailed for it...

Who wants to be publicly linked (even if remotely or circumstancially) to those images?

I am in full agreement that there's probably 2-3 (at the very least) times more AB/DL's out in the world than actually "speak up" online... Possibly living in semi-remote (or even totally remote) areas without 'net access...

[Yvhuce]

I don't think its that common. If it were, I would have met a diaper girl by now

Ditto. I've never met another ABDL IRL. I seriously doubt there are any in my area, given the nature of most people 'round here to be fairly intolerant of such things.

ArtemisEnterri Posted Today, 10:09 PM

Don't forget the fact that TV shows like the CSI's, HBO's "Real Sex", and others (Tyra Banks, Jerry Springer, etc) have painted a VERY BAD image of the ABDL world for the last 20 years... Then add in the moronic idiots who flash their diapers on the streets then get jailed for it...

Who wants to be publicly linked (even if remotely or circumstancially) to those images?

I am in full agreement that there's probably 2-3 (at the very least) times more AB/DL's out in the world than actually "speak up" online... Possibly living in semi-remote (or even totally remote) areas without 'net access...

Ditto again. All the negative publicity really makes people want to remain hidden.

[ultrapampers]

If only 1% of all adult diapers made are sold to people who use them for non-medical purposes, that's still a metric shit-tonne of diapers.

[sarah_ab]

but remember if 1% of all adult diapers are sold to abdl... that doesn't mean there are a lot of abdl's, just there are a few abdl's who buy a LOT of diapers, as we have clearly seen from these boards especially the show your stash thread, some of us have LOADS of diapers.

[d_drew12]

but remember if 1% of all adult diapers are sold to abdl... that doesn't mean there are a lot of abdl's, just there are a few abdl's who buy a LOT of diapers, as we have clearly seen from these boards especially the show your stash thread, some of us have LOADS of diapers.

I really think it's much less than you think. Again, a truly incontinent person will go though 10+ times as many diapers as the average person on this board. As some members have mentioned, they go months without a diaper. In those months, think of how many diapers an incontinent person wears.

I read the www.iheartdiapers.comblog by Adrian Surley. I hope Adrian, you don't mind me posting this here, if so let me know, hi by the way. Anyway, she stated, she uses roughly 100 diapers per month, bambino's and attends so higher absorbancy diapers. Also, she stated she often has over 500 diapers on hand. I would imagine from someone who is truly incontinent, they would also have a substantial stash as they CANNOT run out. On her blog, some of the bloggers report about the same number, 3-4 high absorbancy diapers per day. Many people buy lesser absorbant diapers and may go through as many as 7-8 per day for those that are 24/7, that's about 300 per month. You have to have a stash just to keep up with your usage at that point.

Just another point to drive home. http://www.nafc.org/index.php?page=facts-statistics read this link, it's full of statistics. It says there are over 200 million people worldwide with incontinence. The world population being 6 billion, but about 1/3 of those are under 14 and are probably not in the 200 million count. This means, if I do my math correctly, that 1 in 20 adults has some form of incontinence. Now not all use diapers but may use some form of protection.

Dailydiapers has over 12,500 members now but over half of them have not logged on in the past year which could mean various things, you can come to your own conclusion. Many members have more than one name etc. Now lets just say for fun, all 12,500 members are still here and each individual people. Now lets say 10 times this number are how many people are actually abdl types in the world and just aren't a member of this site. That would mean we still only make up 0.0000208333 percent of the world or 1 in 50,000 people. I don't think that would be too far off. In the world that means daily diapers gets 1 out of every half million people in the world to be a member and not all of them even wear diapers.

I can keep going with these statistics but I think we are as unusual as you think.

PS. Think of all the people out there that wear diapers that aren't incontinent and aren't abdl. They're probably a bigger population than us. People such as truck drivers, astronauts, casino patrons, pilots and sometimes passengers, scuba divers, pranksters, large events where toilets aren't near(new years party), china has reported increased diaper use during christmas due to lines, and etc. all sometimes wear diapers. Also, post surgery individuals such as prostate surgeries or how many people that are wheelchair bound, nursing homes, the list goes on of non abdl individuals who wear diapers, even for short periods of time.

[messyman]

I just read the thread about 3.7 million hits on DD in one day (Monday) I think that this indicates that there are far more of us out there than the 12500 members of DD.

Every time someone looks at a pic or views a forum post is a hit. There are a lot of lurkers but I think you are overestimating them.

[Rawr]

Yeah, what d_drew12 said.

At the end of the day, there's no real way to find out if we're part of a larger group or not. Maybe worth thinking about, but don't lose any sleep over it!