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There is a product already available that would be far more comfortable - plastic bloomers.

Most of the time, I try to wait to change until the lunch hour to change and do it away from the office unless I'm absolutely forced to do it at work. I'm also a bedwetter and have daytime leakage problems. When the leakage wasn't too bad, I used adult training pants. However, as the leakage has continued to worsen, I'm wearing diapers during the day with increasing frequency. There is no getting around the fact that you'll have to carry a bag into the washroom. I have a non-descript soft canvass bag that I use as a carry-on when I travel in which I keep several spare diapers. Our office has several washrooms and I go to the least frequently used one when I need to change. When the change is complete, I put the used diaper in a zip lock bag, put the zip lock bag back in the carry-on bag, and take it home for disposal. I assume you've mastered the technique of changing in a toilet stall. If someone comes in the washroom while I'm in the middle of a change, I do my best to appear as if I'm doing my business on the toilet until they leave. The noise involved in putting on a disposable diaper makes it very hard to be discreet and continue the operation with someone else in the room. A male going to the washroom carrying a bag is likely to garner more attention than a female. So, I would think you shouldn't have much difficulty.

I'd have to say none of the above. I'm not bowel incontinent, but one of the benefits of wearing diapers is being able to relieve the discomfort of a full bowel as soon as possible. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night because I have to go. When that happens, I just soil my diaper and go back to sleep. Normally, I have a bowel movement shortly after getting up in the morning. Again, I just let it happen and continue my morning activities, then clean up when I take my morning shower. During the day, I'm more circumspect about soiling my diapers. If I'm at home, no problem. I just go and clean up within an hour or so. Away from home, I'll use a toilet because the smell of a dirty diaper becomes immediately noticeable to anyone in the area.

You have my sympathies. For me, that wasn't the case. I'd equate my family to "Leave it to Beaver", Ozzie and Harriet," and "Mayberry RFD" rolled into one. The typical idyllic 50's family life or at least that's the way I see it.

Yes. I noticed that it didn't have the Euro brief after I sent that message. Unless the AB sites test diapers, I really doubt that you'll one site with all the diapers. Incontinence support sites serving adults with medically caused incontinence are usually pretty hostile to ABDLs.

XP and incontinence support have all except the Bambinos. I know the guys who did the testing and they did use standardized procedures. The XP page has a lot of quantitative information. The incontinence support site has more descriptive information.

Have you looked at the XP Medical web site? They have a pretty good evaluation page. Also, www.incontinencesupport.info under their product information page has some diaper reviews.

No problem. Like I mentioned before, it's a story that's still evolving as I discover more information. I wish I'd been able to ask my mother about why I ended up wearing diapers for so long. The early years (until I was about 7 years old) are obvious. After that (until I was maybe 11 years old), I assume that it took me a while to overcome my earlier habits. However, the fact that I still needed diapers when we went on long car trips until I was 14 years old and after I was able to stay dry at night, that requires some explanation. When I went to see a urologist a few years ago, he told me that I had a lazy bladder. During one of the tests, my bladder emptied at a very much slower than normal rate. Basically, the bladder muscles were only weakly contracting. He didn't have an explanation as to why. However, at that time, I hadn't found all the photographs and pieced together my early urinary history. I just knew that problems that I was having at that time, which were why my primary doctor referred me to the urologist. The best explanation I can come up with is that because I was diapered for so long, I never learned to empty my bladder completely. I would just go until the discomfort was relieved because I was diapered I could go at anytime. I didn't have the inconvenience of having to get to a toilet. My guess is that I didn't learn to completely empty my bladder until I was about 15 years old since that is when I can no longer find any photographs of myself wearing diapers.

One item that might be included in your revision to the 12 Month process is the fact that most of the people I know with long term incontinence use a variety of diapers depending on the situation. They don’t use just a single brand or weight of diaper. For example, in the morning, if their night diaper is pretty well saturated, they will put on a cheap store brand diaper for protection until they are ready to get fully dressed for the day. During the day, they will wear premium brand diapers (i.e., Abena, Molicare, etc.). At night, they will use a Dry 24/7 or heavy cloth diaper. If they are going for a doctor visit, they will use a pull-on diaper to ease the examination process. If they are going to stay around the house all day, they might use cheap store brand diapers or daytime cloth diapers. Incontinence can be expensive, but there are ways of reducing the costs. More personally, something you might consider is taking daytime naps, if possible. Back when I was wearing diapers at night for pleasure more than need, I discovered that I didn't sleep as well. After extended periods of this, I'd get headaches, feel depressed, and be rather moody. When I stopped wearing diapers at night, I'd sleep better and all the other symptoms went away. Later, when the bedwetting started and I needed diapers, I had the same problems until I finally adjusted to the fact that diapers went going to be a way of life from then on. After a few months, I finally started sleeping better while diapered and I began feeling better. It took quite a while before I was actually sleeping through the night without interruption. I've found that I can't sleep on a mattress with a vinyl cover. It's just too hot for me. Even if the vinyl is buried under a couple of regular mattress pads and sheets, the reflect heat is so uncomfortabe that I don't get any sleep. My solution was/is to wear a heavy cloth night diaper to pretty much insure there are no leaks. I guess I take a more clinical view of the changes that are happening as I continue to wear diapers with increasing frequency. I don't interpret it as my body "falling apart" when I feel the bladder spasms or have unplanned accidents at totally inconvenient locations. I just view them as just incremental steps on the path to wearing diapers full time. Of course, I've been doing this for a far longer period of time than you have. You've made more progress in nine months, than I have in about 40 years, for which I commend you. I now wish I had that kind of courage and commitment back when I first realized that I wanted to wear diapers full time.

That seems to be the case. I'm guessing that my extended use of diapers kept my bladder small and I had difficulty holding the urine for any extended amount of time during the day. Mine is a long story and you can read about it in "the Training of a Diaper Lover" thread. I'm still a little bewildered by my toilet training and apparent continued use of diapers until I was 14. If it weren't for the photographs, I'd still believe that I was toilet trained by the time I was 2 1/2 years old. For some reason, I seem to have blotted out most of my memories about wearing diapers. I've asked my younger sister what she remembers and she doesn't remember anything. My mother died over 15 years ago and my father hasn't been any help. Of course, he's 88 and often doesn't remember what day it is. I occasionally remember snippets of information or very specific events that were obviously diaper-related, but I have nearly total amnesia about the diapers themselves or wearing them for so long.

I need to revise my previous response due to new information I found in some old family photo albums. Up until I was 7 1/2 years old, it appears that I wore diapers 24/7 except on special family occasions like Christmas or my birthday when I wore training pants for a couple of hours at each event. By second grade, I was able to maintain daytime control for longer periods of time and no longer wore diapers to school. However, after school, for shopping trips, and family vacations, I continued to wear diapers until I was 14 years old. My bedwetting and nighttime use of diapers continued until I was 10 years old. About that time, I was told that unless my bedwetting stopped, I wouldn't be allowed to go camping with the Boy Scouts. In the fall of the year I was 11 years old, I went on my first overnight camp out. After that, I don't remember having problems with bedwetting except as rare, widely spaced events until I was in my 50s when regular bedwetting became a problem again and I resumed wearing diapers at night.

One thing that might help you sleep better is wearing a diaper that you can absolutely trust not to leak. If you are concerned about the nuisance of waking up in a wet bed, you're problably not going to sleep as well as you could. I found that I need to wear a medium heavy cloth diaper at night to be sure that I don't leak during the night. Disposable diapers just don't work for me since I often sleep on my side. Even an Abena XL4 that I wear with confidence during the day and have sometimes worn as long as 8 hours without leaking, will leak at night. When I travel and have to use disposable diapers, I wear a Comco or Baby-pants training pant over the diaper with plastic pants over everything. I also take several cloth underpads with me to make sure I don't make a mess of someone else's bed. Given your training methods, I'm surprised that the beep-beep-beep of an alarm going off isn't also on your trigger list.

I wonder if through all your efforts to weaken and shrink your bladder that you've made yourself overly aware of the sensations coming from it. It sounds like you've done very well at achieving a kind of "conscious" incontinence. At this point, it would seem that you should start trusting that your efforts have been successful and you no longer need to maintain such a total awareness of what your bladder is doing. Now, I think you should go about the normal business of living, working, and sleeping and stop being sensitive to what your bladder is doing. Trust the fact that it will do what's necessary when it's necessary and no longer needs your conscious attention. You mentioned that you still try to maintain a little control when changing. I think that's a mistake. This shows that you're still trying to maintain a little control and are still aware of the status of your bladder to some extent. It's completely normal for a boy's bladder to empty while having his diaper changed. So, normal, if fact, that that assorted products are made to help parents keep from getting sprayed by unexpected geysers during diaper changes. Most parents learn quickly to put a wash cloth or some other absorbent cloth over their boy's penis while cleaning cleaning him up during the change. I'd also recommend that you do diaper changes on a schedule. Once your body achieves stability, it will eliminate urine at a reasonably predictable rate. All you have to do is learn what that rate is and change your diapers accordingly. In my case, I change about every 4-6 hours. I put on a diaper after showering in the morning and change again at lunchtime. Sometimes, I need another change in the late afternoon and then change again before going to bed. Doing it on a schedule means that you no longer have to be aware of how often or how much you wet. You can just go about your normal activities and let that aspect of your life take care of itself.

AIO diapers are guaranteed to leak. Because the absorbent lining is sewn in direct contact with the elastic at the leg openings, wicking will occur resulting in wet spots on your jeans. For an active adult, they just don't work very well. You'd be better off with a diaper and plastic pants. If you have a large waist, contoured diapers will work better than standard pre folds.

When I'm not diapered, I wear training pants. They are the only type of underpants I own. I had tips switch to them several years ago when I began experiencing significant uncontolled urine leakage. I use Comco and Baby-Pants training pants. The Fruit of the Loom briefs went in the trash.

Glad to help. Bicycle shorts do a great job of keeping diapers in place. I'd also suggest not pressing your luck by going all day without a change. I change during my lunch break. That way, the morning diaper only has to contain about 5 hours worth of bladder output and the afternoon diaper about 4 hours worth. Once home, I sometimes change again before bedtime. Most of the time, I don't because I seem to urinate less in the afternoon and evening. Plus, being at home, it's less of a problem if the diaper leaks.

I'd guess you were very nervous and nervous energy tends to increase the kidney output. I would be willing to bet that you wouldn't have a problem tomorrow since the sponge (your body) has been squeezed dry of most of the excess fluids. Also, I'd suggest that you try using the Abena Abri-Fix Soft Cotton Fixing Pants to hold the diaper in place and close to your body. I don't have any experience with the capabilities of women's panties, but I'd guess that they probably aren't designed to keep a diaper in place. The Abena pants are available from XP Medical (www.xpmedical.com). I use the Abena disposables without the insert and usually only need to change every 4-6 hours.

BriGuy has the right idea. My guess is that you aren't getting a good secure fit tight to your body. This might be the reason you're getting an uncomfortable fold jabbing you in the rear. I haven't used the Abri-wing diapers, so I can't speak from experience about them. I use the Abena Abri-form Original diapers and here is how I put them on. The easiest way I've found to put on a disposable diaper is stand with my back to a wall with my legs slightly spread. Then open the back of the diaper, but let the fron unfold and fall downward. Then I hold it by the taped edges behind me even with where I want the waist to be. For me, this is slightly higher than where my belt line is. Then I lean against a wall to hold the diaper in that position. Next, keeping the front of the diaper still folded, I pull the diaper up between my legs carefully working the diaper tight into the crotch. Once that's accomplished, I unfold the front and stretch one side back so that I can bring the back wing of the diaper around and tape it securely, first at the leg tape and then at the waist. Then I do the same on the other side. When I tape the other side, I stand away from the wall a little so I can pull the diaper snug and get a good secure fit. Whether a variation of this technique will help, I can't say. However, I'd suggest doing you best to make the diaper fit as close to your body as possible.

Thanks. One of these days I might learn all of the intricacies of the board.

I was having a conversation on Skype with a friend about old Volkswagens. So, I sent him a picture of one that also happened to have me standing beside the car. After a little bit, he asked me, “Are you wearing a diaper in that picture?

Some disposable diapers commonly did that (noteablly the original Attends). The heat weld lines that bond the fluff to the plastic shell created a hard spot that after flexing from normal walking would split along the weld sometimes from nearly the back waist to the front. Mostly though, it was the seat that gave out as you describe. If this happens frequently, I'd suggest changing diaper brands.

More information is needed so that information that addresses your problem can be provided. Disposable or cloth? What brand? What thickness (day or night or the model of disposable)?

The 1980's Attends had quality problems, too. Try doing your normal activities for a while, then squat down or bend over to pick something up off the floor. When I was using them, they would split right along one of the heat weld lines that attached the fluff to the plastic backing. The result is a lot of fluff inside your jeans and almost no protection when your bladder empties.

Alibaba isn't a diaper supplier, it's a Chinese pricing search engine similar to Nextag.

I have to agree with Bettypooh, also. Your attitude and how you deal with your incontinence problem is what makes all the difference. Once you learn how to manage the problem and have confidence that the diapers you use provide adequate protection, then you can stop worrying about leaks. Find a solution that works for you. I've found that changing a disposable diaper every 4 to 6 hours pretty much guarantees that there will be no leaks if I wear a premium quality diaper (e.g. Abena, Molicare, or Tena). Most people here have discovered that the majority of people don't go around looking at other individual's crotches. Even if your friends or associates notice something, they are more likely to think you're gaining weight than to immediately jump to the conclusion that you're wearing a diaper. Unless you make what you're wearing inescapably obvious, no one will even give what kind of underwear you're wearing a second thought (or a first thought for that matter). If someone does find out, just explain that you have a medical condition that needs managing and this is the most reasonable or recommended solution. Again, attitude is everything. A matter of fact explanation will likely be all that is necessary for, as jbz2079 said, "Those that matter." For the assholes that want to make a big deal out of it, ignore them or laugh them off. If they get an embarrassed, shameful, or angry reaction out of you, that's probably what they are looking for and it will only encourage further taunting. You were probably raised like the majority of us thinking that diapers are for babies and were punished or shamed when you wet or messed your underwear during and after toilet training. It takes a while to get over those childhood memories. Diapers are simply a means of managing incontinence. Incontinence can be the result of very young or old age, birth defect, disease, or traumatic injury. They are basically no different than eye glasses, hearing aids, crutches, or any other mechanical aid to manage a medical condition.