Angela Bauer

Hi Aleia, Above in this topic, on Dec 30, 2007, I wrote about wearing diapers at night all through my college years, and during days in law school. I left home for pre-law in 1981 so to you that might be the Dark Ages. Adult disposables were just being sold in stores and were not as advanced as today. I agree only you know the management style for your condition that is best for you. Sure, I put a waterproof sheet on my dorm mattress. Toward the end of pre-law I really worried during moot court classes because I was fairly sure I could last 60 minutes between potty breaks, but by 90 minutes I had to split attention between what I was observing and my bladder control. If you have told us details about your bladder control issues, I must have missed that, and I am sorry. Only you know if wearing a diaper and worry about being caught, or not wearing and worry about a wetting accident is the more distracting to you. Right now I know a lot of college students, some guys and more women. Not all are incontinent, but the experience of all the people I know in person who does wear in college or post grad is positive. Not one has been teased by faculty or fellow students. I wore at night during high school and the last couple of years of middle school. Several gals had sleep-overs at our house and I went on sleep-overs, always with my own rubber sheet and diapers. Consequently many classmates knew, and yet I was not teased. Two 22yo women I know very well needed diapers 24/7 all through school. In April 2001 "SPY KIDS" came to theaters, with the scenes about wet beds and wearing diapers. One of those gals saw the first showing of the film on a Friday, bought a pink back-pack Saturday morning and decorated it with red sequins spelling "Diaper Lady" by the start of school that Monday. By making the joke first, how could she be teased? OSU is a sophisticated university, filled with serious students and a loving faculty. I am sure that if you need to wear to class, you will not be embarrassed. Angela Bauer

Although when I was born in 1964 several brands of disposables were being sold in stores, my entire extended family was so into tree-hugging they only used pinned gauze Curity flat 21x40" diapers. Depending on the size the vinyl panties were for toddlers Gerber bought in local stores, and the larger panties were bought by mail from the Gerber factory in Michigan. I lost my night control just after puberty when I was 12 in 1976. Over the next 10 years I slowly lost most of my day control. While in pre-law and law school I could only wear disposables, as soon as I had a washing machine available I went back to pinned gauze adult prefold diapers and vinyl pull-on panties for bed at home. Often the first thing I do after arriving home is pin on a gauze diaper and pull on vinyl panties. Those get changed as needed until the next morning when I must get ready for a day of work as a responsible adult woman. Day I generally can make-do with disposable slip-ins. Those I make by cutting off the tabs on Pampers Cruiser Size 4. They cost very little when bought on sale in cartons and work better than adult slip-ins. For special occasions away from home, such as long plane rides or when riding horses, I use tape-on adult disposables, either Attends or Depend. Once in a great while I wear Depend Adjustable pull-on disposables.

Greenlight Pvp is a new enough urology procedure long term results are not yet known. This is similar to the thinking about the robotic prostate cancer surgery 2 or 3 years ago. My husband Don was already 74 in Feb 2007 when his routine PSA came back elevated. Even then he did not think there was anything wrong with his bladder control or capacity. Fortunately don had regular PSA, because he was immediately referred to a urologist (not the same office as treats me) who did another PSA, confirmed the results, scheduled a surgical biopsy and in June 2007 did a robotic prostate surgery. The good news is Don has subsequently regained his bladder control and the better news is he is cancer free. During this year when Don has spent way more time talking to urologists than I do, he has talked to many patients about Greenlight Pvp. All who have had it are very pleased with the good results and the better than expected return to normal bladder control. Unless a man under 50 has a family history and risk factors for early onset prostate cancer, most primary care physicians do not order PSA tests. One, they cost helth plans a lot and Two, there is a problem with false-positive PSA, resulting in many unnecessary surgical biopsies. Currently there is an improved version of PSA in final stages of the approval process. Bottom line is all men need to worry about prostate health, especially cancer. It can be treated if caught early, but is dangerous if not detected in time. This is not the way any sane person wants to die. So, have PSA tests done now, and keep asking for the new, improved version real soon now. Meanwhile, there are many non-cancer conditions causing prostate swelling that respond well to Greenlight Pvp. Be safe. Also, please remember that although by now most primary care physicians have some understanding of urology, if they had the extra training and became board-certified in urology they would not be primary care physicians. Thus, if you suspect a urology problem, demand a referral to a board-certified urologist. This goes for women, also. About 1990 a couple of women started residencies in urology. Shortly after that Stanford University Med School began actively recruiting women as urology residents. Today nearly all urology training programs have women residents. Not all urologists specialize in continence. Women who are shy discussing wetting with male physicians should keep asking for female urologists. It turns out a lot of men actually prefer discussing urology problems with female physicians.

Welcome DooDoo Girl. Oh how I can relate to diapering dolls. In previous posts I explain that I lost my night bladder control just after puberty, a condition common to the women in my family. One advantage is none of us had to be shy as dry kids if we wanted to wear a diaper. Between Mom and my younger siblings, Granny down the block and my favorite aunt across the street, there were hundreds of diapers and women more than willing to pin a diaper on a kid after school. It was expected that once we were large enough we would help change the little kids. Granny had made a rag doll large enough it wore the same plastic panties as a kid or 24-30 months, just ready for toilet training. She also had a smaller rag doll, about the size of a 12 month infant. All of us were encouraged to practice pinning diapers on those dolls, figuring out how to change the folding of 21x40" flat Curity gauze diapers to fit right. I remember also being given smaller square and rectangular cloth diapers for use on Barbie-type dolls. To me that made no sense, because no plastic panties that small were avilable. Even then, to me cloth diapers without waterproof panties are silly. What is important is that women who are now my fellow BBG made use of their dolls as a source of diapers. In our family we were discouraged from pinning our own diapers until after we actually lost bladder control. That was when Granny and Mom would coach us. It took me a couple of weeks of practice each evening before I could pin my own effectively and without sticking a pin in me!

Each of us has to consider just how public we are comfortable being connected to incontinence and AB/DL. In our family it was assumed that at puberty all the gals would suffer bladder control challenges. Granny, Mom and her sister all needed diapers at night long before I was born. About the time I was toilet trained Granny needed diapers 24/7. When I was 8 my older sister reached puberty and soon wet her bed. That happened to me when I was 12, and also for each of our younger sisters at puberty. None of this was any sort of secret within the family. Probably most of the neighbors knew, since so many gauze diapers were hung on lines at all three homes. The family tradition was we did what was practical to avoid shocking outsiders, but none of us felt shame or embarrassment if people caught glimpses of diapers in use. By the time I was already an attorney and 26 did my youngest sister tell me she had read some incontinent people found AB games a coping strategy. That seemed so logical to me, and I really got into playing AB. Once I had read about AB in Fetish Times, joined DPF and subscribed to The Play Pen, I was familiar with photos of attractive women in diapers. My sister and I felt hardly any of those models actually were AB. At first I wrote some open letters published by DPF without any photos. The result was I started getting many letters from members and non-members saying either they had a girlfriend sort of interested, or were the girlfriend and not so sure. By then I had married and also had been photographed while playing AB Girl. I decided to let DPF publish B&W versions of my pictures, without any attempt to hide my face. When people I felt were nice wrote polite letters to me, I often replied including one or two 4x6" color photos of me. That was 1991, before home scanners were available and the www was not yet practical. Based on many sincere letters from people I still believe actually are women, my husband and I decided to make a video showing how I actually relax at home after a long day as an attorney. We never expected to make a profit and in 1992 decided to let DPF distribute it, with the royalties going to child incontinence prevention charities. A lot of the first video were sold, and we made a sequel released in 1993. Facor in the number of people who made home copies for sharing, thousands of those Baby Angel videos are still floating around. Eventually a lot of my color photos turned up on-line. Over the past few weeks I have posted some of those photos here. Then in Feb 1992 the Montel Williams Show phoned, begging me to appear on their show wearing a BBG outfit. All the other big babies were in makeup. They put me in a black wig, gave me a tan with makeup. On the episode I was called "Jessica." My husband was not disguised in any way. At the time Montel was only on 35 stations, but he has repeated that show, first shown Feb 23, 1992, many times. I have been a partner in my law firm since 1993. So far nobody has ever told me they recognized me from Montel, the Baby Angel videos or all those photos. In a few of the still pictures and scenes within the videos I am wearing clothing like I would in Court or the office. So, if anyone has recognized me, they were too shy to say so. Eventually at AB/DL parties I have met many nice people who are fans of my pictures. I recognized a few from their own pictures. At the events we all greeted one another as fellow AB. But, a few times I have run into some AB I know in public when none of us are playing AB. Under those conditions, we are careful to say nothing that would alert outsiders.

This just in from the CNN service previously know as Court TV: This morning a Florida judge indefinitely posponed the trial most of interest to adults who need diapers. Previously the same judge ruled the early police investigators failed to respect all the legal rights of the accused, thus her statements and the search of her car were not allowed as evidence. The State of Florida has asked the court of appeals to rule the statements and physical evidence are admissible at trial. All this must be a relief to naughty former astronaut Lisa "Didee" Nowak. Remember all the news when she was arrested while attacking the more recent girlfriend of the astronaut who Nowak loved. The search of Lisa's car found a batch of toddler disposable diapers, as well as some used diapers. At the time it was speculated that because astronauts wear disposables during flights, "Didee" Nowak had worn diapers during her long drive from Houston, Texas to Florida to confront her alleged victim, herself an Air Force captain. The same speculation was that "Didee" wanted to save time by avoiding potty stops at nasty dirty restrooms along the way. Subsequently attorneys representing "Didee" denied she was the one who wet the discovered diapers. Apparently an unknown stranger had been in her car shortly before the arrest. Don't we all just hate it when unknown strangers take our diapers, use them and then leave the soggy ones behind? Wanna bet this is not the last we will be reading about Lisa "Didee" Nowak, naughty astronauts and this mess.

First, Pamper Dan, welcome to Daily Diapers. I am fairly new here myself. People here seem very friendly. Your profile shows you as 23 now, so doing the math your return to diapers was about 1994, and your gal cousins were wetting their beds at 15 and 16, thus they were used to wearing diapers. I did the calculation because it was about 1997 that the urology profession realized the factors of genetics and hormone changes when gals start losing bladder control after puberty. This happened to me in 1976, when I was 12 and just hit puberty. Nearly all the women on my Mom's side of the family have the problem, and in my day urologists who did not know us very well assumed we were nuts. Bummer that diapers were used as punishment. It would make more logical sense to simply put a rubber sheet on your bed before you wet. However, then it would be something else that showed you your inner diaper desires. There is no scientific research into diaper fetish, so the best guess is our desires start when we are very young and then later something prompts us to actively use diapers. Are you still communicating with those cousins, who are several years older than you? Do they still wet? Only at night, or did it progress to all the time wetting? That is how it went with me, bed for several years then eventually no bladder control. Have either of these cousins ever mentioned an interest in AB/DL?

As the others have said, so much "Depends" on that hospital's policy, and the reasons for the surgery. If you were involved in an accident while you were diapered, then at the very least the ER triage nurse would ask about your bladder and bowel control. Because an operating room needs to be kept clean, please do not be surprised if your diaper is removed prior to surgery. Just as hospitals seldom allow you to bring your own drugs, chances are if nurses are expected to change you, the hospital will insist on using their standard brand, and the price will be higher than buying diapers on-line. Most surgery is elective, planned in advance. Almost always the pre-surgery instructions include not eating 8 or more ours prior, not drinking even water 8-12 hours prior and often taking 1 or 2 enemas. Usually for surgery you will be on IV, which work better if you are slightly dehydrated. Early in 2007 my husband Don was diagnosed with prostate cancer. His annual PSA blood test came back elevated in January, so he was referred to a urologist for more extensive tests and another PSA. The results were identical, so Don was scheduled for a surgical biopsy as day surgery. He had to fast the night before, without drinking, then take a pair of Fleet's enemas an hour apart that morning. Leading up to the biopsy, both of us met the whole urology team, including the doctor, 2 physicians and several urology nurses. Knowing nothing about me, since these are not my own long-time urologists, the senior PA seemed slightly coy, almost shy, saying Don would leak urine for a few days after the biopsy. Playing along, I asked if maybe I should buy some sort of containment garment so Don would be comfy on the ride home. Of course actually we probably have a better selection of adult diapers at home than are sold in the average supermarket. Once the biopsy came back as an especially fast-growing form of cancer, the decision to have robotic surgery was a no brainer. There was a 6 week wait for an available operating room date, during which Don went on an increased physical fitness program, to really tone his abdominal muscles. During that time we got to know the female physical therapist who would provide exercise and coaching to restore Don's control post surgery. Don told her I had brought an Attends tape-on for the biopsy ride home, and that Depend Adjustable had worked fine the couple of days after. She said that by the time Don woke up in recovery, he would have a catheter which would stay in place at least a week. In the hospital probably don would not need a diaper, and if so they would be provided, paid for by his health plan as part of the whole procedure. Then, when he was to be sent home a few days later, I should bring a tape-on for him to wear, and put a good underpad on the car seat, since the jiggle of the ride would cause some urine leaks. Then to prevent leaks, when Don needed to go anywhere, he should consider using either a tape-on or pull-on. The post-op recovery went very well. As soon as the cath was removed, Don had some control. The coaching was not so different from toilet training of toddlers, with slightly more "big-boy" language.

A couple of months ago my husband Don Davis phoned Tommy to place an order. Don had not looked at the DPF website, and was surprised when Tommy asked him to actually place the order on-line. Don did so, then immediately got a phone call from Mark (Tommy's life partner) explaining to Don that Tommy has grown forgetful in what has to be his second childhood. My guess is that if you check the Babykins website, you will find several of their adult Velcro-fastening contour diapers that are similar to the DPF product. DPF was a long-time dealer for Babykins, but remember Tommy was quite the businessman. It is possible he found another manufacturer to make those diapers for him.

About the time late in 1990 when I was finding out about Adult Baby, I started donating to the Simon Foundation for Continence, even buying Cheryl Gartley's book "Managing Incontinence." That impressed me, so I phoned them and she answered, I shyly mention thinking about AB, explaining I had been incontinent at that point 16 years. Cheryl laughed and confided that in her own definition, if you ever wet and wear a diaper, you are incontinent. Hold that thought, and it might comfort you.

Growing up Mom made it clear to our family she shared a medical condition with her mother (Granny) and her sisters. Way back in the 1960s when I started hearing about this research had not found genetic defects associated with bladder malfunction. While this is not entirely understood even today, at least the medical profession does not assume you are nuts when you say you come from a long line of wetters. Mom, Granny and my favorite Aunt Betsy never made a secret that they all wet their beds and sometimes during the day, managing by wearing diapers. All us kids were taught to not make fun or tease. While it is not possible to keep a diaper need entirely secret, you also do not want to offend outsiders. Being discreet is important. When my oldest sister reached puberty, she started wetting her bed. A few years later the same thing happened to me. Eventually both my younger sisters were wetting. All of us have puny bladders, so timing using toilets became a way of life. Before her senior year of high school my youngest sister Missy needed day diapers. I managed to hold out until law school. Mom had control during the day until she turned 40, probably a record for her female relatives! GanDad, my favorite uncle and Dad all did their best to be supportive, but were frustrated by frequent potty stops. So, it is fair to say my family never gave me static about wearing diapers. Strange as it will seem to many here at DD, I never found out about people who wear diapers because they enjoy them until I was 26. Missy was then 21, married a couple of years, and working as a costumer in the movie industry. Someone told her about Adult Babies. Missy checked around, then told me about using AB as a coping strategy. I giggled, but decided to go looking for "Fetish Times" to learn specifics. Missy had by then not only bought herself a set of pacifiers and some baby bottles, she made herself a romper. All the big babies I read about were having fun, and Missy as well as her husband were happy. AB seemed like a way to relax for me. It was months later before our Mom found out, and she took it well, as did Aunt Betsy and Granny. Much to our surprise, the sister between Missy and me immediately took the attitude we were sick to say we could have fun while diapered. Mind you, this particular sister wets as much as any of us, absolutely refuses to ever wear anything but obvious cloth diapers with vinyl panties and has never managed to hold a job longer than a couple of months. Yet she puts judgment on us! What a sick joke! Please understand that even Granny hardly ever talks to that sister. The rest of us somehow have careers. I am a lot younger than my loving husband Don. Yet his relatives have accepted me. There is no reason for everyone to know about my AB side. I do not want to shock anyone, but the door across the hall from our master bedroom is not kept locked, and inside that room is my personal adult playspace, filled with stuffed toys, a playpen and highchair. Our bedroom has an adult changing table, which does look sort of like a massage table. Okay, maybe the diaper stackers are a clue. Bottom line is I have hundreds of friends and relatives, with only the strange judgmental sister anti-AB. This proves we can never please everyone.

Welcome to DD, Adorable Kvetinka, It is marvelous that you have joined us. I only found this groups a few weeks ago. It has been friendly to me. You will make many friends here. Angela

These days it is difficult to find disposables that do crinkle. No problem for me, because I actually like the cloth-like outer layers. The soft vinyl panties I wear with pinned gauze diapers are quiet, and so were the classic Gerber panties of my teen years. Even in the older days when I wore plastic Attends or Depend, I found that wearing a pair of snug cottom panties over not only reduced leaks and supported the disposable, the cloth reduced the noise. Combimed with heavy full skirts, diaper noise has never been a problem for me when I must be a responsible adult. When I relax at home in gauze diapers if my vinyl panties did make noise that would only add to the charm.

According to my Mom and Granny, I was toilet trained without fuss long before I turned 3. Certainly I have no memory of that. Mom, Granny and my favorite aunt made no secret that they all had bladder problems, so I should expect difficulties after puberty. In our family there was no shame about diapers. They did not believe in disposables, so we wore gauze pinned diapers with vinyl panties. With puberty I started wetting my bed. In middle and high school if a gal wanted to sleep over, I told her, and if I was going to her place I took my own rubber sheet, as well as diaper bag. No embarrassment. For college (pre-law) I did start using disposables, and for law school I needed diapers in the day because the classes were very long. Since then I have worn 24/7 Nights at home I prefer pinned gauze diapers and vinyl panties. Day I use slip-in pads that I make by cutting off the side tabs of Cruiser Size 4. They work well, are comfy and cost very little. For long trips, etc, I do use Attends or Depend tape-on I must have changed thousands of diapers or pads in public ladies rooms and never has there been embarrassment. The gauze diapers and vinyl panties I buy on-line, as I do my Attends. Depends and Pampers Cruisers I buy in local supermarkets without anyone saying anything. The Pampers could be for my kid or grandkid. The Depend could be for my parents. It has never been a problem for me.

Add me to those who agree with Diaper Mommie and others here. My life as a teenager and later women hardly ended when I started losing bladder control. I had to believe those who were real friends would not care that I needed diapers, and anyone who got upset was not a potential good friend. Eventually during law school I lost my remaining day control, but my outlook did not change about understanding friends. Sure, some men ran for the hills when they discovered I was wearing a diaper on a date, but many good men did not have a problem. Then in 1991 I met a man who clearly understood all aspects of me. He is not an attorney, but he knew to get out of my way when I am in trial, or just being a royal pain! He was aware of ABDL, but has never given me any reason to think he only loves me because I am a big baby girl. It is also no secret that the two of us have been happily married sine October 1991. You decide how you will be happy. Lots of men have bladder problems, using diapers or caths. There is nothing shameful about that, nor being ABDL with or without incontinence. All this is who we are. The record is clear that once we have an attraction to diapers, this is a lifetime thing for us. If somehow I were to regain my control, I am sure I would wear big girl panties often, but you better believe I will always relax as a big baby girl in diapers. Luv, Baby Angel

Hi Precious babygirl Awynn, Welcome to the Daily Diapers board. Like you I am fairly new here, a couple of weeks. However, I have been incontinent since 1976, so I know a whole lot about wearing various kinds of diapers. Then in 1990 it was suggested I would find playing AB relaxing as a coping strategy. Since then I have met many wonderful people with all sorts of connections to diapers, age regression and ABDL. Please, Babygirl, do let me know if there is more I can do to make you feel welcome and comfortable. Luv, Baby Angel

Since the longest I can go without a diaper is 30 minutes, and that requires a lot of my concentration, for practical purposes I wear something absorbent 24/7. Because I grew up in pinned gauze diapers with vinyl panties, that is what I prefer when home, especially for bed. If I am sick, and might mess, then I do wear Depend or Attends to bed. The waterproof protection on my mattress will deal with any leaks. Assuming we have no guests expected in the evening, the moment I get home from my office I pin myself into a gauze adult diaper and cover that with pull-on vinyl panties, either made by Gary Manufacturing or Kins. That should last 4 hours, bringing me close to bedtime. When my husband Don is home, usually he changes me for bed. If he wakes up and finds I am soaking, he is very good at changing me without really waking me. That is a knack, and I love it. Weekdays I need to be out of bed by 04:30AM I remove and place my wet diaper in the pail, put my vinyl panties in another pail, take my shower and dress for work. Normally I use slip-in disposable pads during the business day. When Depend Slip-In stopped being stocked by local stores, several women wetters started making slip-ins by cutting the tabs off toddler disposables. I use Pampers Cruisers Size 4. My first of the day lasts until I leave the office for Court, at about 08:30AM. It is never more than damp, but my next for sure change cannot happen until 12:30 Those Cruisers sometimes are good for 5 hours, but I cannot take chances. I need to be back in Court at 1:30PM, so I change minutes before that, meaning I am good to go until 5:15PM. Court is over by then. Then unless my afternoon Cruiser is almost dry, I change once more for the drive home. That means 4 or 5 disposables during a business day, but remember, in huge cartons, those Size 4 Cruisers only cost about $0.25 each, meaning my total cost is about the same as a high quality adult disposable. And, changing that often nobody smells even a hint of urine. Add the gauze at home diapers, and it totals 7 to 8 changes each day. Holidays and weekends I often wear gauze diapers all day, with vinyl panties. Seldom do I need more than 6 changes a day. Yes, if I am in the mood and if I am going to a place where casual clothing is expected, I will wear my gauze diaper under a full skirt or inside a short-all or over-all. Trust me, in Southern California nobody pays attention to women wearing such childish clothing. Chances are some of the other women are not diapered, but ya never know. Now, for airplane rides, long car trips and things like riding horses, I do wear Attends tape-on briefs. I do not need to remove many clothes, and such a disposable will last me over 5 hours of day wetting.

Hi Annie, Just the other night I was watching your movie, with all the singing. That was such fun. Seriously, "Daddies" can be any age, it is a matter of attitude. Chances are at this very moment some nice person is thinking up ways to make you happy being who you are. Fortunately logic and real life are not part of fantasy. Much like you, even in my most obvious diapers, while suckling a bottle or working a paci, in my mind I am old enough to walk and talk, even know right from being naughty. I am diapered because I wet, not retarded. There is no reason we ever need to give up the soft toys we loved as children. Onesies, rompers and sleepers can be comforting at any age. The more you share about your hopes and dreams here, the faster you will make a whole lot of new friends, Luv, Baby Angel

Way back in early 1981 when I got the fantastic news not only was I accepted by the university of my dreams for pre-law, I had earned a full-ride scholarship, I was not about to rock the boat. I reported to my assigned dorm room with half a bag of Attends and a new rubber sheet packed in my suitcase. Times changed for the better over the years. A lot of women have shared their experiences with me, as well as their hopes and dreams. Thus in 2002 I knew daughters of two very good friends were ready to start at universities and both of those gals had hardly any bladder control. Alexis lost most of her control when she reached puberty, and had discovered for bed pinned cloth diapers worked best for her. Ginnifer never gained bladder control, and had grown up in Oregon mostly wearing cloth diapers. They consulted each other and me. There did not seem to be any need to discuss enuresis in the application. However, the second each got their acceptance package, they made appointments with the housing director at their respective universities. Their experience was similar. Clearly it is not rare nor shocking for college students to wet beds. Apparently it was considered honest and refreshing by the housing directors when prospective students were up-front about it. Both girls asked to be allowed to bring their own mattresses, which already were protected. Each was assigned a room convenient to washing machines. Each was assigned as a roommate a gal who had stated she did not mind (Alexis) or who admitted wetting (Ginnifer). Neither had any serious problems with teasing and so on. Alexis is currently in her second year of med school, expecting to train as a urologist. Ginnifer graduated and got married last June.

Many people just love Johnson's Baby Powder. Please include me in the minority. I have always had better results with Diaparene Corn Starch Baby Powder. Some women like me find that talc used in Johnson's is more prone to yeast infection. With Diaparene this has never been a problem for me.

Hi Crinkle, Thanks for the kind words. At home if I ever act like some sort of celebrity (you know the popwreck type) "Daddy Don" corrects me. It is super you still have that tape. Is it the one that also has some TV shows and movies, such as the diaper episode of "China Beach" and "The Baby"? Back in the day it was convenient to go from Montel Williams, to Donahue to Jerry Springer. What fun. Have a wonderful 2008!

Hi Perth Guy, The times I have visited Perth, WA, I have had marvelous times. Over the years I have exchanged messages with diaper users way west of Adelaide, north and south of Perth. If you keep at it you will make friends. My suggestion is you start to use a first name. It does not need to be your real name. I think you will find big baby girls and remale DL appreciate using names. Be happy and enjoy the rest of your summer, Alexis

Welcome, Nikki. By reading the hundreds of messages here, you should find answers to any question about incontinence, diapers, AB, DL and so on. When I was your age I was living in a university dorm. I really needed my diapers because at puberty I lost nearly all my bedtime bladder control. Unfortunate I started university in 1981, long before personal e-mail and these kinds of websites. Although I knew about adult diapers, I knew nothing about finding ways to feel better about my condition. I was 26 when somebody told me about AB and DL. There are ways you can gain emotional comfort without making a major fuss with your folks. If you have questions, just ask us. Best wishes

Below is a very interesting message from Baby Tom. I moved the quote to a new topic because Tom brings up a lot of issues. I am proud to be a woman since birth, and was not overly upset when I lost much of my bladder control at puberty back in the dark age of urology, 1976. At that time women were not drawn to the specialty of urology. It was considered as specific to men's health as gynecology deals with women. The logic of the connection between gynecology and urology was lost, as was the fact such a large percentage of women have bladder control problems with menopause. When it was my turn no research had started to link hormone changes of female puberty with bladder challenge. What it took was for a woman resident in general surgery to take an interest in the very delicate touch needed in urology, especially before robotics. She had to fight to be added to the urology residency at her teaching hospital, even though her surgical skills were accepted fact. That woman pioneered the emerging surge of women training as urologists. Today there is even a professional association Women in Urology, wich includes not only female physicians but also women med students and urology nurses, physician assistants and physical therapists. How many of us have toilet trained children? One of the things you encourage is starting and stopping urine flow by will power. This strengthens the urinary spincter. Another thing is to encourage the child to hold urine as long as possible, to stretch and keep the bladder flexible. Of course the child need to learn when and where to hold urine and when it is necessary to make a "just in case" potty stop. Therefore I was shocked anyone conncected to a urologist would say "hold it for 2 hours" unless when you first were in their care you could only hold it a lot less. Normally you expect a healthy adult to be able to hold it 4 or more hours. Keeping a voiding log is standard practice when treating incontinence, just as it is with older kids with delayed toilet learning. See how incontinence is a symptom of many diseases? Diabetes is a classic example. Often Type 2 does not require insulin, so your blood work must be seriously strange. What about your PSA and Hemoglobin A1c? This is where the urologist and the primary care physician need to be working as a team, to manage your health. Clearly exercise and diet is not solving your diabetes problem and probably this exacerbates your incontinence. Generations ago the women in my family with incontinence got experienced managing our condition, which often required sweet-talking male urologists and gynecologists. In some cases we had more trouble with pioneer women urologists. Many of them were more interested in surgery to correct male reproductive problems that women who only wet. I found sweet-talk from me accomplished nothing with the first few women urologists I met. Then I was referred to my current urologist. She does not run a continence clinic, but has extensive training in gyno and does the best possible to manage my medical problems. Normally urologists learn the average adult and even more so with juvenile/adolescent incontinent folks fear the concept of "diaper" so they get coy with terms like "pad" Notice Attends and Depend never call their products diapers. Often it comes down to what management approach will provide each individual with the best and most appropriate "social continence"

A whole lot of folks into diapers started out "borrowing" them from various people. Another term for that is "stealing" which is naughty. There used to be a serious website resource called "When Kids Love Diapers" on which I shared my life experiences and parenting suggestions. Remember there has never been any legit research into diaper affectation or fetish, so it is speculation how all this starts. An accepted theory is the seeds of diaper affection are inculcated when we are super young and in innocent ways. Later, something sets us off. In your case it was available and easy to borroe diapers at your aunt's. What if you had been discovered? Many parents would punish for stealing then march you off to have your head shrunk. Sure, we know diapers are wonderful, it is the sick outsiders who do not dig it. What more modern shrinks realize is diaper affectation is the least dangerous of those kinds of conditions, so if they manage to snuf out diaper play, the patient will only turn to drugs or alcohol, both of which are more dangerous. Where diaper affectation is a danger issue is the stealing. Borrowing fresh diapers is bad, but would you believe some kids are so desperate they steal used diapers from trash containers. Now that has serious health risks. So what we attempted to do on When Kids Love Diapers was take the approach by the time a kid uses diaper more than once, he or she is already an infantilist. this is a lifetime condition, no treatment practical. Therefore the most prudent parenting method is to teach the young infantilist to be responsible and respect others. All things considered, buying your son or daughter diaper cost a whole lot less than a lifetime of shrinks, or a criminal record the result of stealing diapers or the money to buy them. Stepping of my rant, let us consider that unfortunate incontinent young woman you came to know far too briefly at the photo business. Since you called her another sales assistant, I assume this was recent enough the photo store did not have its own darkroom. Those largely went out of style when color replaced black and white, color being done in the light in machines. Consider what it is like to work in either complete darkness or very subdued safelight. In a classic b&w darkroom your hands are in warm developer. Trust me, it is like the trick of causing someone to wet while sleeping by putting their hand in warm water. Consequently back in the b&w custom darkroom days, that was one business attracting incontinent men and women. In the huge wholesale photofinishing plants, most of the workers were women. Three of my incontinent aunts made great careers for 30 years in such plants in Southern California. See, with just some encouragement, that gal could have turned what she considered an embarrassing problem into a rewarding and well-paid career. Lost opportunity. See what the new generation is missing? Computers do not need darkrooms, and digital camera require no developer, short stop or hypo fixer! Omega, Durst and Bessler enlargers are distant memory. Kodabromide and Illustrator's Special are only recalled by people the age of my husband. Who can forget the aroma of acetic acid? All that covered the odor of urine in the diaper in the darkroom. No worries!