ryan87

My understanding is that the bladder has some minimum capacity before it starts to stretch, like 100 mL. And once it starts to stretch it activates the signals to your brain that it's filling and eventually starts giving you the urge to pee, and then when you relax your sphincters, the bladder muscles contract to empty it. If you're emptying it sooner, it gets used to not stretching as much before it sends the emptying signals, which also makes the muscles contract more often, and thicker muscle around the bladder walls prevents it from stretching as easily. So funnily enough as we're working to reduce bladder control, we're building the muscle up that makes it contract more often and less able to fill more than some minimal amount. I'm not sure how this works if you don't have a sphincter, though. If you're constantly draining and the muscle doesn't ever work to push urine out, maybe you still retain capacity and it all comes out at once when you're in a position that gravity will let it drain out? I can feel for myself (just normal untraining, no surgery) that if I hold it for longer than about 30 minutes, I start to get a strange crampy feeling around my bladder. It's different from the "normal" feeling of a bladder at its capacity, but not totally sure how to describe it. I want to say it feels similar to a muscle getting stretched out, but dunno if it's just my brain filling in the gap there since that's how I've read that it works.

This is a great idea for a scale, I've been logging my own bedwetting just using descriptory abbreviations but a score would be easier to track trends and such over time.

This discussion has entered BIID territory. It sounds like you are not fully thinking through the consequences or how life will be, but are just fixated on this idea that you need to be incontinent. You really need to talk to a therapist to help you sort these feelings out before making another life-changing decision to cut up your body. Also consider that you've already started having fecal accidents. You pooped your pants 3 times in a month without any idea how it happened, when it had not happened before your surgery. You're clearly on the path toward bowel incontinence, but are still desiring someone to cut your body, even though you've stated how inconvenient it is to be incontinent all the time. The other person you're engaging with in this thread, Goerge, has serious mental illness and is institutionalized. He's been on this forum for years and banned multiple times talking about his desires of self-destruction. I recommend discussing your obsessions with people of sound mental state so you can make positive, healthy decisions that are actually in your best interest. Wanting to become incontinent is totally fine. Wanting to become double-incontinent is totally fine. But becoming fixated on the idea itself and not stepping outside of the bubble to fully examine what that means, and to experiment with it before settling on a permanent single decision (surgery) is irresponsible and likely destructive. I think this should be like a sex-change operation. You should be required to live this way for some amount of time. Go to work for a month using suppositories every day, or drink some prune juice every day on your lunch break so you poop your diapers uncontrollably. Take a laxative before you go on a date you can see how this is going to be. If you really want to be fully incontinent, these wouldn't be negative experiences, but just a part of the overall package that you enjoy.

Maybe this could be a solution. I surf several days a week and change in and out of my wetsuit at the beach, and into a diaper before driving home. They make a towel that is sewn like a poncho meant for changing underneath, and gives you almost complete privacy. You could throw one of these on at your locker, take it off to shower, put it back on, walk back to your locker while drying off (they are awesome for drying your whole body at once), and put the new diaper on underneath.

Have you tried a barrier cream?

Yeah, sometimes I start peeing and can feel pressure, like it might back flow. Just adjusting things slightly so I’m not poking directly into the diaper fixes it.

I did this about 15 years when I had a mattress I didn’t care about, and wore goodnites that would leak after a bit of wetting. And I just allowed myself to leak into the mattress, and let it dry during the day. My room smelled like pee pretty quickly which maybe helped reinforce things too. I was wetting in my sleep after a few weeks, maybe a month. I tried going diaperless a few weeks after that, and kept wetting my underwear a few nights a week, though I would wake up a few seconds after starting to pee. Somehow this reinforced things so strongly that I kept having bedwetting accidents for a long time, a few times a week and then a few times a month. It took about a year when I felt like I could trust myself not to wet the bed again, which was a bit nerve-wracking when staying with family and friends. Since then I’ve tried to relearn to wet in my sleep, and I’ve had success many times while diapered but I’ve never been able to have an accident without one again. Maybe time to do some proper training again 😁

I get the exact same thing. I started using guards inside briefs, and they work great. But they are somewhat uncomfortable in briefs for me (you lose some space inside) and in boxer briefs I'm always afraid they're going to fall out one of the legs, since the adhesive backing isn't very strong to hold them in place. I've switched to using depends realfit and really like them. The padding is thinner than the guards but swells more (which is perfect for dribbles since you don't release a lot at once), and covers roughly the same area as the guards would. I do think they're a bit more expensive overall, unfortunately.

I think there definitely is, I notice a strong connection between wearing diapers and the dribble. I always wear for several days to several weeks at a time and have always focused on being as relaxed down there as possible. Sort of like.... intermittent incontinence training. I notice that when I stop wearing diapers, I dribble a lot after going to the bathroom, especially #2 (I'm guessing some urine gets stuck somewhere from sitting down). At some point the next time I sit down or stand up, I'll randomly get a squirt of pee and have a little wet spot. Sometimes I'll just dribble for an hour or two in very tiny amounts. I occasionally wear a depends guard in my underwear when I'm wearing pants I like or going out into a social situation. Eventually after not wearing diapers for a couple of months it improves to a "normal" level (1-2 drops or so). I've taken several breaks and this happens every time, so I'm fairly convinced it's the diapers. Makes me wonder what would happen if I went several months of wearing 24/7

Not really sure what you're trying to point out is a lie here. While not a great idea from a hygiene standpoint, it certainly worked for me. I had an old mattress I was going to throw out and I've always been into bedwetting, so I just wet the bed for a week or two straight and slept in it. Started sleepwetting no matter what I was wearing, and it took months to get back to normal. Still sleep wet once every couple months for another year or so. I'm not sure how I was able to train myself that fast, maybe there is just something about not caring about your bed at all... when you're diapered there's always the thought in the back of your mind whether you recognize it or not, that there is some capacity to your diaper that you'll have to deal with at some point. Since then I've tried to trigger the same sleepwetting (while diapered, now) but haven't been able to get the same results.

You should probably talk to a psychiatrist if you're hearing voices

I was curious about these as well because sometimes I don't want to stay clenched all day, but for whatever reason, also don't want to diaper up. These seem like a great idea because they are fairly inexpensive and (I suppose, at least) that you could just wash them out and reuse them as often as you want. The reviews on Amazon are pretty bad, though... I don't remember specifically what they say, I think it was something along the lines of them falling apart or developing leaks because the parts are so cheap, or just being plain uncomfortable. Simple explanation since people don't seem to get what it is - it's basically just an external catheter that's held up with special underwear. I would think they would be just as effective as diapers for untraining, unless your brain somehow distinguishes between the two and prevents the "untraining training" from carrying over. Similar to the stage where you go unconsciously in a diaper, but can still keep your pants totally dry with regular underwear.

I've been sick for about two weeks with stomach problems, and have had a couple messy accidents so I have been diapered up any time I leave the house just in case. I've visited the doctor twice now with a thin one on, very obviously sticking above my shorts, and when being examined he didn't say anything at all about it either time, just pulled the top town slightly to feel my lower abdomen. I had my excuse of having a few legit accidents ready to go and everything. Maybe it was understood that that was why I was wearing one, but I am surprised nothing was said.

I think it's just a side-effect of wearing diapers all the time, the same thing happens to me. For me, it goes away after not wearing them for a month or two, but it has to be no diapers at all during that time or the dribbles start again. It's hard to guess at what causes it. I think my body just gets really used to not clenching after peeing, so after using the toilet it clenches just enough to not leak everywhere, but then it "forgets" when sitting down, standing up, etc, and lets a small amount out.

I really like the thin molicares, I'm not sure what the current name is. Last time I ordered some they were called "Molicare Super Comfort". They are similar in that they are thin with a lot of SAP so they swell a lot. Plastic center with cloth sides so they're really comfortable.