Gaining diaper dependancy (not incontinence)

[WetDiaperMark]

Hi, im mark, 19 years old. As many here, I want to become diaper dependant. But not in the way you might think. When I read the threads, I noticed, that most want to become completely incontinent. That’s not what I want to do. I want to have a weak bladder, but not incontinence. I thought that my new plan was this. I would go every three hours on the potty. This might sound pretty boring for you, but it’s my first time trying something like this. The hard part will be that I’ll really go every three hours. At the moment, I can hold in pretty long. 
I also meet a lot with friends. They also can hold in super long (10+ hours). So if we are somewhere, i have to go multiple times while they don’t have to go at all. With that I want to prepare for my life with diaper dependency. Also I’ll really have to go to the toilet. If there isn’t one available, I’ll have to look after a tree or a spot where no one sees me, or I have to pee my pants. I can’t hold in longer. Like that I want to gain bladder weekends in the fastest way possible at the moment (living with my parents). When you read my thread about Bedwetting, you know that I became one pretty fast (4 months). How long do you think it will be for this goal. (Having to go all 3 hours).

thank you for ur attention, I hope someone will answer.

bye👋🏻😊

[longislandguy]

I’d say simply wearing and using is your best bet. You’ll get accustomed to using them, then becoming dependent on them. 

Edit:  I was one of those friends. Been wearing for 7 months. I can’t even fathom going 7+ hours anymore. 

[WetDiaperMark]

4 minutes ago, longislandguy said:

I’d say simply wearing and using is your best bet. You’ll get accustomed to using them, then becoming dependent on them. 

Edit:  I was one of those friends. Been wearing for 7 months. I can’t even fathom going 7+ hours anymore. 

That’s what I would have done normally, but because I live stillt with my parents that’s not possible. They only know that I’m a bedwetter. But do you think this method could also work?

[DAQ]

The biggest flaw in your plan that I see is your hard stop point. I see one of two things happening. Given how fast you took to bedwetting, you spiral and end up fully incontinent way before you wish to, or because you have that hard stop your mind stops you from losing any control. I think the latter is more likely personally.

[WetDiaperMark]

49 minutes ago, DAQ said:

The biggest flaw in your plan that I see is your hard stop point. I see one of two things happening. Given how fast you took to bedwetting, you spiral and end up fully incontinent way before you wish to, or because you have that hard stop your mind stops you from losing any control. I think the latter is more likely personally.

I only became a bedwetter that fast because when I was 11 I was a bedwetter.

but I think I’m taking the risk, incontinent is better as that hard stop that you are describing

[oznl]

I am diaper dependent.  I’m not incontinent but my bladder range is very limited and my urgency is very high if I attempt to control things.  This to the extent that it’s just more practical to wear diapers now.  Also, if I start to pee now, I simply cannot stop so the risk of wet pants would be very, very high without diapers.  Any leak would proceed to a full bladder empty and there wouldn't be much I could do to stop it.

Having said that, this was in consequence of me being permanently diapered and NEVER making any effort to hold pee in. 

I started to see changes a few months in after going “24/7” but realistically, it was probably closer to 3 years before I began to realise that practically, it would be VERY difficult for me to stay dry through daily life without a diaper now.  It's hard for me to see how this could have happened if I'd spent time undiapered and practiced my control (even if it was only for short periods of time).

1 hour ago, DAQ said:

The biggest flaw in your plan that I see is your hard stop point. I see one of two things happening. Given how fast you took to bedwetting, you spiral and end up fully incontinent way before you wish to, or because you have that hard stop your mind stops you from losing any control. I think the latter is more likely personally.

I'm just not sure about that "spiraling" thing beyond diapers providing a slight positive feedback loop.  My mind is not made up though.

"Progress" (if you can call it that) is certainly in my case a LOT slower that some of the fanciful stories you read and sometimes (like with the parable of the boiled frog), you don't truly realise what is happening to your body because it's so gradual.   You'd have loads of time to work out if this wasn't for you and stop.

[WetDiaperMark]

5 hours ago, oznl said:

I am diaper dependent.  I’m not incontinent but my bladder range is very limited and my urgency is very high if I attempt to control things.  This to the extent that it’s just more practical to wear diapers now.  Also, if I start to pee now, I simply cannot stop so the risk of wet pants would be very, very high without diapers.  Any leak would proceed to a full bladder empty and there wouldn't be much I could do to stop it.

Having said that, this was in consequence of me being permanently diapered and NEVER making any effort to hold pee in. 

I started to see changes a few months in after going “24/7” but realistically, it was probably closer to 3 years before I began to realise that practically, it would be VERY difficult for me to stay dry through daily life without a diaper now.  It's hard for me to see how this could have happened if I'd spent time undiapered and practiced my control (even if it was only for short periods of time).

I'm just not sure about that "spiraling" thing beyond diapers providing a slight positive feedback loop.  My mind is not made up though.

"Progress" (if you can call it that) is certainly in my case a LOT slower that some of the fanciful stories you read and sometimes (like with the parable of the boiled frog), you don't truly realise what is happening to your body because it's so gradual.   You'd have loads of time to work out if this wasn't for you and stop.

I want to train to holding in for 3 hours at first. I’ll go to college and there it would be bad if I 1. Would’ve to go to the potty every hour 2. I’ll have to wear diapers because, as I said, I still live with my parents. When I moved out, I’ll go 24/7, I hope then I’m at the point of holding in for 3 hours. Than it will be easy going less and at the final point, I would like to be able to hold in for 45 minutes - 1 hours + uncontrollable accidents because of the 24/7 thing. If I get fully incontinent, it wouldn’t be that bad I think. How long can you hold in or do you know what your bladder capacity is?

[Little Sherri]

6 hours ago, oznl said:

"Progress" (if you can call it that) is certainly in my case a LOT slower that some of the fanciful stories you read and sometimes (like with the parable of the boiled frog), you don't truly realise what is happening to your body because it's so gradual.   You'd have loads of time to work out if this wasn't for you and stop.

I would make the same observation. I've been at this for 5 years now. I would say that I'm "diaper dependent" in that it would be uncomfortable, inconvenient, and bordering on risky to go about my business without a diaper on, but it's far from impossible. I do need to wear them overnight, however - sleeping in a diaper for more than 5 years has given me very laissez faire overnight control. But even this is unreliable and unpredictable. 

I would describe both daytime and nighttime loss of control, as being not so much a slippery slope, as a long, very gradual slope that is covered in asphalt... you have to walk down it, sliding is difficult. But by the time you get to a notably lower elevation, it's also a long walk back up, with gravity working against you...

[WetDiaperMark]

3 minutes ago, Little Sherri said:

I would make the same observation. I've been at this for 5 years now. I would say that I'm "diaper dependent" in that it would be uncomfortable, inconvenient, and bordering on risky to go about my business without a diaper on, but it's far from impossible. I do need to wear them overnight, however - sleeping in a diaper for more than 5 years has given me very laissez faire overnight control. But even this is unreliable and unpredictable. 

I would describe both daytime and nighttime loss of control, as being not so much a slippery slope, as a long, very gradual slope that is covered in asphalt... you have to walk down it, sliding is difficult. But by the time you get to a notably lower elevation, it's also a long walk back up, with gravity working against you...

First off, I really like that metaphor. I understand what you mean. 
 

So, it depends on the person. You wrote that after 5 years, it would be risky going without a diaper for @oznl it would be nearly impossible without a diaper after 3 years. I think there are also people for which it works even faster, but I hope that it is fast when I’m trying it because I was a bedwetter and now currently also have some issues with it. 
 

also, when did you feel the first changes in your capability?

[Little Sherri]

2 minutes ago, WetDiaperMark said:

also, when did you feel the first changes in your capability?

I'd have to go back and pick through the thread in which I chronicled my journey to say for sure. I'll get back to you. If I had to guess, I'd say that I noticed "something" maybe in the second year. By then, I was in the habit of going whenever I felt like it, for a good long while, which usually meant every 20-45 minutes, although back then, I was still going through periods where I would get distracted by work, or, say, driving in traffic, and then I would realize that I'd been holding it for a while, when I got 90-minute or 2-hour breakthrough alarm bell from below. But I used to drive all over the country for work, and I had a diesel-powered car, so I could easily drive for 7 or 8 hours between tank-ups, and stopping just to pee somewhere was rare. Whereas, a couple of years in, without a diaper on... no way. 

[WetDiaperMark]

By then, you said you went every20-45 minutes, but did ur capability change or did it stay the same

[oznl]

18 hours ago, WetDiaperMark said:

How long can you hold in or do you know what your bladder capacity is?

I don't really know.  I just don't use my bladder.  I can recall last time I tested (maybe a year ago) that I could last 1 hour or maybe 90 minutes but if I was well hydrated, I don't think it would be that long.

I pee frequently but in fairly small volumes now.  This is perversely kind of helpful because I've discovered diapers work better used that way.  They have some time to digest between drinks and are therefore less likely to leak than with highly intermittent deluges.

18 hours ago, WetDiaperMark said:

I want to train to holding in for 3 hours at first. I’ll go to college and there it would be bad if I 1. Would’ve to go to the potty every hour 2.

I'd have to say that if you're looking for convenience, you've picked the wrong hobby 🤣

[WetDiaperMark]

1 hour ago, oznl said:

I’d have to say that if you're looking for convenience, you've picked the wrong hobby 🤣

Haha yes but I don’t want to be that far while being in college. That wouldn’t be helpful. After that I want to be going down to 1 hour

[munkey]

I started wearing, then that lead to using them, 7 years later, I can’t hold it, I leak.

Bu wearing and using diapers (going when you need) you will retrainnyour body.  You’d probably want to make sure to start holding / waiting once you hit the 3/4hour time range you want.  
 

However, you may find that you’re on a slippery slope and your range you can hold it will shrink. It also may not.