Bridal Diapers Debunked

[Darkfinn]

To be honest, I have yet to see a church that has a public restroom that one can use during a service. And it doesn't matter if the church was built recently or is older that the USofA.

Maybe Americans do it differently, but European churches generally don't have restrooms available. Plus, it would be a huge faux pas to walk out in the middle of the ceremony.

You guys must be really freakin backwards over there. All public buildings in the USA must have accessible public facilities, this includes churches. Maybe churches in Europe are built differently but I somehow doubt it. If there are no restrooms available where is the consideration for pregnant women, children, the elderly or anyone else who doesn't feel like holding it for an hour or more?

I submit it would be a worse "faux pas" to soil or wet oneself in the middle of the service... I don't think the almighty would be offended if you excused yourself to handle nature's call.

Or how about the preachers, lay persons, and other servants of the Church? Most churches in America have 2 services every Sunday... so if you are involved you are often there from 6 or 7 in the morning until sometime after noon.

The whole story is full of inconsistencies and just screams "bullshit!". 99% of the people in this thread have figured that out, why can't you?

[WallaWalla]

Maybe Americans do it differently, but European churches generally don't have restrooms available. Plus, it would be a huge faux pas to walk out in the middle of the ceremony.

Nearly any Protestant church in the U.S. is going to have at least a men's and women's restroom. Protestant denominations are usually very focused on social networking and what they refer to as 'fellowship.' It's extremely common for there to be nurseries, classrooms, dining halls, and kitchens in a Protestant Church. Not even speaking of mega-churches and the like. These things are commonly found in Protestant congregations of 100-500 people.

Granted, I know that when speaking of confirmation, we are implicitly excluding these churches. I'm just tossing that out there for an FYI to those who are Catholic.

[AutieAB]

You guys must be really freakin backwards over there. All public buildings in the USA must have accessible public facilities, this includes churches. Maybe churches in Europe are built differently but I somehow doubt it. If there are no restrooms available where is the consideration for pregnant women, children, the elderly or anyone else who doesn't feel like holding it for an hour or more?

Despite the fact that I'm firmly atheist, there's something fascinating about European church buildings. Trust me, you're confusing two very different nations in terms of how they build their places of worship . Most churches in the USA are located in modern buildings, certainly <100 years old and frequently much newer than that. Obviously they were constructed to modern codes, etc and are very well supported financially.

On the contrary, most churches in the UK, Ireland and probably most of the rest of Europe as well are ancient in comparison and have remained relatively unmodified for hundreds and hundreds of years - particularly Catholic and Anglican churches. When they were built, building regs simply didn't exist, let alone today's modern accessibility requirements. By virtue of the fact that they predate the legislation that lays down toilet requirements for public buildings, they're grandfathered in. Many British churches in particular have rapidly ageing and dwindling congregations and simply have no money for modernisation work like installing toilets for attendees. This is a very typical example:

i.e. stone built with walls a foot or more thick and extended in sections over a period of hundreds of years (most won't have started out with any kind of tower or spire for starters).

Whilst I'm sure some have been brought up to date a fair bit, they're obviously not exactly the easiest buildings to modify and it costs a whole lot of money they simply don't have to do so.

I'm not defending BK's position at all but his point about a lot of churches over there not having any facilities is entirely correct.

[dogpiss]

The plural of anecdote isn't data.

AWESOME! Quote of the week right there! That's going to have to go on my all time best quotes board. Thanks

[BulkLover]

You guys must be really freakin backwards over there. All public buildings in the USA must have accessible public facilities, this includes churches. Maybe churches in Europe are built differently but I somehow doubt it. If there are no restrooms available where is the consideration for pregnant women, children, the elderly or anyone else who doesn't feel like holding it for an hour or more?

I submit it would be a worse "faux pas" to soil or wet oneself in the middle of the service... I don't think the almighty would be offended if you excused yourself to handle nature's call.

Or how about the preachers, lay persons, and other servants of the Church? Most churches in America have 2 services every Sunday... so if you are involved you are often there from 6 or 7 in the morning until sometime after noon.

The whole story is full of inconsistencies and just screams "bullshit!". 99% of the people in this thread have figured that out, why can't you?

I'll start from the end: I don't care whether the story is true or not. I just wanted to provide some input, since many people in this topic obviously have no idea how it is done on this side of the Atlantic. To quote the post of AutieAB:

I'm not defending BK's position at all but his point about a lot of churches over there not having any facilities is entirely correct.

As for preachers: they probably have their own facility in the back of the church. And while it would be perfectly possible to ask them to use it when there is no service performed, going there during a service isn't really possible.

Also, to add to AutieAB's post: most churches are old enough to be recognized as historical buildings by law and therefore can't really be modified. So just adding a "restroom wing" or using one of the rooms for restroom is out of the question. At least that's how the law in Poland works.

[d_drew12]

Anyone heard of an outhouse??? Port-a-potty??? Or maybe simply just holding it for a couple hours. What'd they do a hundred years ago or more when they were built? Send out messanger boys to the houses of the parisheners saying sew some cloth diapers together for the adults and the children if you plan on attending church? Doubt it. People got by before without the bathrooms there so they certainly can today as well.

I understand not modifying a building such as this but for the ones you can if the Church is too broke to upgrade well then maybe the people going to it should throw a little more in the offering then or build one with donations if they don't do an offering. As if constantly buying diapers and wetting and messing yourself is a much more cost effective and practical approach. Riiight...

[littleJaina]

I just have to add that, while I realized 150 years isn't THAT old, it is older than indoor plumming AND old enough to be recognized as a historical site (at least here in the US). That's how old most of the Catholic churches in my area are. (You might call us little Poland around here!). Religion here has always been taken VERY seriously - yet communion and confirmation rarely result in vomitting or fainting. It does happen, occasionally. Kids can get sick at the worst of times, and sometimes it can get hot enough with the kids all crammed together in the pews (not to mention the incense!) that a kid will faint. It doesn't happen every year, but once in a while it does. Yet, I must say again, no notice to put kids into diapers!

The church in my town is relatively modern. It actually does include a single indoor toilet - which faux pau as it may be - is regularly used during services. However, even the older churches that don't have toilets built into the original structure generally have them available in a more modern building built elsewhere on the grounds. While it isn't ideal, nature sometimes will call urgently during mass, and people do use them to relieve themselves.

I just have a hard time believing that things in Europe are so totally different that schools are sending home notes about this kind of stuff. Getting ready for confirmation around here generally revolves around people trying to remember exactly what they are and aren't supposed to do, and then prepping themselves to be board out of their minds for two hours and parents warning their sons not to fall asleep during the service.

[freswith]

As far as I know, there were no toilet facilities at Stonehenge. They are not exactly a feature of ancient English churches. Perhaps the Druids wore some protection; it must have been very hard spending all those hours keeping vigil without having to "go", and very bad form to pee on a standing stone.

Seriously, I take Keiff as being a generally sound authority on such things, and his previous posts suggests that he is a medical professional with a specialisation in this field. In my own particular field, I know of many women who wear and use diapers deliberately in certain situations, and it is something of a joke - to be made if you are prepared to be torn to pieces by their elongated fingernails. It was actually promoted actively at one point.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

One thing I noticed: Those who were the least experienced in age and the furthest away in distance and culture were the most agressively smug.

I had a similar experience when I was 18 in 1964. I was in a bus terminal and struck up a conversation with a girl who was writing a letter. It got around to what language and she said "Serbo-Croation". Now that sounds absolutely made up and she told me that she was from Yugoslavia with the accent to make it stick, and that was the language spoken there

It is called "arguing with the natives" and comes under the part of the Jimmy Buffet song about "Don't talk about what you never saw or you just might end up in my song". I never did that again.

Just a cautionary tale

[Darkfinn]

Or maybe it is that some of us are wise enough to be able to detect bullshit from a mile away.

The internet is full of it folks... don't believe everything you read, and if it sounds like someone's fantasy story it probably is.

[aleyxsis]

wow 3 pages on this subject im inpressed lol

[AutieAB]

One thing I noticed: Those who were the least experienced in age and the furthest away in distance and culture were the most agressively smug.

If I'm included in that, I'll tell you fer now't that I'm an Englishman born and bred

[diamondback6881]

Or maybe it is that some of us are wise enough to be able to detect bullshit from a mile away.

The internet is full of it folks... don't believe everything you read, and if it sounds like someone's fantasy story it probably is.

+1

[d_drew12]

I would also like to add, if you are knowingly going to a place without a bathroom, a normal person with half a brain would think, oh, I better take care of business before I go there. No different than if you are planning a longer car trip, typically you would go to the bathroom before you leave so you wouldn't have to stop.

I remember as a kid my parents telling us kids to go to the bathroom even if we didn't have to go because we're not stopping for several hours. We went and no big deal. We'd hold it for several hours and drinking beverages before and during the trip were done in moderation. We didn't all slam down 64 oz Big Gulps and not consider peeing before we left or we wouldn't have even made it a mile out of town before stopping. Now of course if we really had to go, my parents would have stopped but with a few gripes and complaints about it and sometimes we'd wind up several miles off route just to find a restroom but that's what happens. You go even if you don't have to when you know going later may not be an option.

Now, I highly, highly doubt if this "community" babykeiff talks about was so tight knit and this church so well know as he makes it sound that they'd actually have to send out notice that "hey, there aren't bathrooms at this facility and if you're one of those that can't hold it, we suggest wearing a diaper". First of all, wouldn't people already know there isn't a bathroom, afterall, it's the church you all go to and secondly, if you can't hold it do you think you need a letter to remind you to wear your diaper that day??? Likely not, it goes without saying. If you have a condition then you're probably already managing it and don't need a letter sent to you.

Just my take.

[anondl]

NPR mentioned bridal diapers. On Sat/Sun's. "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" show the bluff the listener segment cited the bridal diaper story and they declared it to be true and had a magazine rep as their source. Sorry I forget which magazine.

Check out the show anyway. I do every Sunday, religiously.

Anondl

[DailyDi]

It's sad really. Bridal diapers being a mainstream accepted garment is a complete Myth, but "reputable" sources are reporting it as true, quoting each other as sources... when in reality it was all started by a diaper fetishest posting under several names to confirm his creation and questionable journalists are running with it.

We know incontinent folks wear diapers to their wedding, as do some ABDL's and probably a few non-DL's. But the idea that bridal shops have secret stashes of designer diapers to match dresses was completely made up and now being reported as fact. As a journalist this lack of professionalism really disappoints me... but doesn't surprise me.

[BethAnn]

I guess if it is not crazy for people to wear a diaper on a road trip, it is not crazy to think of putting a flowr girl or something in a diaper, but the bride. Yah right. I would not wear one one my wedding day, (maybe the wedding night though.

[aleyxsis]

It is just another crazy fantasy gone wrong !! .If you are not a dl or ab and your significant other don't know about your lifestyle.I highly dought it is going to happen kids !!

[KittenAB]

Stranger things have happened, though, if not, why not?

[leafy kille]

sigh cant we ever have a civilised descussion without flameing each other?

just cause its an ab/dl forum is no excuse for this sort of childish behaviour!

as a daddy i certainly wouldnt tolerate this sort of behavior from my lil one.

sure opinions wil vary but there is no need to get rude about it, im sure there are some instances when it does indeed happen but i think they are going to be very rare indeed, especialy instances that are not conected to ab/dl activity weather directly or indirectly.

[beachxbunni123]

Haha maybe i'll do this on my wedding day!

[Repaid1]

I guess I forgot to post this a while back, but my local news did a report on Bridal Diapers and had a few local bridal shops that make them. Sooo..where does that leave this discussion? Funny though but I didn't catch the reel on it. Just the outtake that it was on that broadcast. Seems they either made the diaper or a cover to go over a disposable with ruffles and lace from what I saw on the snippet.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

My only take on the original subject of this thread before it wandered is this When I got my bride doll, Cassandra Lynette Estelle, she was wearing a cloth panty that seemed to be a kind of pullup, made of diaper material and with extra material in the crotch. I had a pair of rhumba panties so I put them over what she was wearing. She is not complaining.

[WallaWalla]

Sooo..where does that leave this discussion?

Unfortunately, it doesn't leave it anywhere other than where it was at to start, a bunch of hearsay. Not to attack your credibility or anything, I expect my best friend to provide some evidence almost as much as I expect it of a stranger.

I would have to hear from a bridal shop personally in this case. I don't put enough trust in the journalistic integrity of magazines or internet articles to see it as valid. When I see somebody vending them, then I will think of it as something other than a myth.

[Richard1]

This has certainly raised an interesting question in my mind. Our old church, which is very popular for weddings definately does not have a toilet (or running water for that matter). We about to install one for the first time in 900 years in an outbuilding if we can get planning permission. Any one who needs to go simply goes behind a bush - but I certainly wonder what brides and bridesmaids would do as they can't easily hide themselves away.