Diapers And Health Care Reform

[BitterGrey]

On the other hand, with gasoline prices increasing again, so are shipping costs. When the cost savings are lost for mail order, the economic pressure may cause adult diaper buyers to return to local stores. That's how I see your plan working Grey.

Actually, it wasn't much of a plan. Perhaps an ideal or aspiration. The 'tinfoil hat' speculation hasn't even been tested.

Locally, I've been able to find Molicares (ABC Medical), First Quality (not great, but OK), and Attends (not breathable) if you wear large (Haller's Pharmacy). (There is a place that carries medium Attends in Redwood City, but they ask for info.)

[DL88]

Your health care is not free, you pay for it in your taxes.

THANK YOU!!! This is basic logic I have been trying to get people to realize for the longest time. Nothing on Earth is free, it is paid for some how, some way.

[amber1972]

Check this out.. I smoked for 20 years, quit 2 years ago. I was still caughing and getting out of breath quite easily. I just had my annual physical (yes, I was diapered) and I brought this up. My doctor ordered Blood test, ECG and chest X-rays. Blood test came back with high red blood cell count so she ordered a Lung Function Test. The results for that showed that I have mild COPD. Got a prescription for a inhaler and feel a lot better. How long did this all take, 2 weeks. How much did it cost me ZERO. Yes, I do pay a bit more tax than you do in the states, But I don't pay anywhere neer what you pay for your private health care. Remember, the american system is profit based with share holders who demand growth so they make more money. The Canadian system is Not for profit, no one gets rich off of it.

[curiositykilledthecat]

Check this out.. I smoked for 20 years, quit 2 years ago. I was still caughing and getting out of breath quite easily. I just had my annual physical (yes, I was diapered) and I brought this up. My doctor ordered Blood test, ECG and chest X-rays. Blood test came back with high red blood cell count so she ordered a Lung Function Test. The results for that showed that I have mild COPD. Got a prescription for a inhaler and feel a lot better. How long did this all take, 2 weeks. How much did it cost me ZERO. Yes, I do pay a bit more tax than you do in the states, But I don't pay anywhere neer what you pay for your private health care. Remember, the american system is profit based with share holders who demand growth so they make more money. The Canadian system is Not for profit, no one gets rich off of it.

I do agree, the downfall of the American Health care system is when the insurance companies went public and were being controlled by shareholders. Depending on your benefits package through your employer, we can pay significantly less than any of you do in taxes. Many unions and the better run corporations will pay for full benefits which means other than whatever your union dues are, the insurance is free.

[DL88]

The Canadian system is Not for profit, no one gets rich off of it.

That made me giggle, do you really think there is no one profiting off of your system? Sorry but that is plain ignorance. The amount of tests you went through just to find out you had COPD is just absurdly inefficient, they could have diagnosed you through an x-ray and confirmed with a spirometer.

I still have yet to see anyone make one decent and coherent arguement against the current U.S. Healthcare System. If someone is sick or injured and needs immediate medical attention, they get it, even if they are an illegal immigrant. Canada: Your healthcare sucks, sorry but when you have people in your parliament Belinda Stronach coming to the U.S. for later stage cancer treatment (she isn't the first to come here), you have no argument.

The biggest argument the supporters have for the healthcare debacle is, "The insurance companies are robbing us and prices are so expensive, they're also in it for profit!" Let me ask all of you one thing, how much more do you think insurance is going to be now that THE GOVERNMENT owns it!? Not only that, in the bill, THE GOVERNMENT is also taking over almost all college loans. Granted yes insurance prices were a little high but nothing that couldn't be fixed by more appropriate and less dramatic steps. Insurance is a business though, they have employees to pay and they have bills of their own, so what if they make profit. When did profit become a bad thing? I know this doubly well being I recently went into business with a friend. If someone came up to me and told me, "You shouldn't be doing this for profit you should be doing it at cost." I would tell you to go fk yourself point blank. People try that on us all the time and I have had to tell homeowners that before, luckily, we don't have congress passing laws against Tree Service; most HOA's try to but those "No Solicit" signs just make us hit up your neighborhoods harder.

Beyond that, the other argument is, "They make so much money!" I'm sorry but when my GP spent so many years in college and medical school and is as professional as they are, I am happy to pay the 40$ for a visit (uninsured) and get an answer for any of my questions. I don't know about any of your but my GP is good, and I want him to live a very nice comfortable life and not have to worry about money. On top of that, I can see any other Doc. or NP in his practice if he isn't available for less. I fail to see through any of your people's reasoning that says profit for you profession and hard work is bad.

If you people think prices and taxes are bad now, wait until we start covering everybody. Well, first and foremost, most of the good Doctors now are going to retire because of the new regulations and lack of control of their own businesses; they'll also be paid less as mandated by the debacle, so what is the point of being good anymore not to mention a specialist, which a lot of specialties are having less and less medical students choosing as a career path anyway. Add on top of all this, the Doctors will no longer be able to choose who they see, which may not sound like a big deal to some of you, but that alone changes the ball game as far as prices and professionalism goes.

There are a million reasons why this healthcare debacle is horribad and yet not that many why it is good. A couple would be they tried to ram it through before anyone was able to read it, most of the people in our government didn't read it at all. What does that alone tell you about it? The "major" news networks didn't talk about it at all, and candidate obama's promise of the open discussions on Cspan and keeping the legislature online so the people could read it prior to the votes, what the hell happened to that. Did none of them listen to what THE PEOPLE wanted? Hell no they didn't.

[curiositykilledthecat]

All I wanted was for the insurance companies to be disbarred from denying me coverage over prexisting conditions that I was born with. I didn't want the mess of a bill we have now. I alos like how my taxes are going up to pay for someone's kid to have coverage while I still can't.

[drynot]

DL88: We have Americans coming to Canada for healthcare all the time and vice versa. If you need immediate medical attention here in Canada, you get it. Where the system falls down is everyone goes to their Doctor for the littlest things like colds and flu's.

Where our system excels is when you have an illness, terminal or not, you won't have to sell everything you own to pay for the meds and treatments. Where your system excels is you have cutting edge technology and top notch research in healthcare. Our physicians are very good in Canada and they are very good in the states too.

Certainly our system isn't free. It costs each Canadian upwards of 6 grand a year in taxes for health care. However, we don't see that tax so most people think it's free.

[curiositykilledthecat]

DL88: We have Americans coming to Canada for healthcare all the time and vice versa. If you need immediate medical attention here in Canada, you get it. Where the system falls down is everyone goes to their Doctor for the littlest things like colds and flu's.

Where our system excels is when you have an illness, terminal or not, you won't have to sell everything you own to pay for the meds and treatments. Where your system excels is you have cutting edge technology and top notch research in healthcare. Our physicians are very good in Canada and they are very good in the states too.

Certainly our system isn't free. It costs each Canadian upwards of 6 grand a year in taxes for health care. However, we don't see that tax so most people think it's free.

That is actually a lot more than any American pays for their benefits through their employer, with the exception of the self employed and Cobra recipients. At my previous employer I averaged about $125 per month for benefits so times that by 12 and you have close to $1500.00. This is the piece of information that neither the Americans or Canadians are understanding in general. Just because you don't see the money being taken away directly doesn't mean that you are getting a raw deal.

Admittedly, I love you guys when it comes to prescriptions!

[BoTox]

The Canadian system is Not for profit, no one gets rich off of it.

And just like any communist country, nobody gives it there all. People excel at something when they have an opportunity to get ahead, to make something for themselves. Communal society only works in the movies.

Volunteering is one thing but having to work for something that I can't personally profit from makes me less inclined to give 110%. History is filled with examples of socialist experiments gone wrong. The pilgrims nearly starved until they started farming individual plots instead of communal lands. Soviet Russia collapsed under the weight of it. There are more but these make excellent points, socialized economies are a death spiral. When someone can slack off and still reap full benefits, there is a large number of individuals that will do just that. Then the remaining folks either catch on and also slack or they have to work even harder to make up for the slackers. Either way, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is a death sentence to a prosperous society.

[loopy]

And just like any communist country, nobody gives it there all. People excel at something when they have an opportunity to get ahead, to make something for themselves. Communal society only works in the movies.

Are you seriously calling canada a communist country?!

[DL88]

Are you seriously calling canada a communist country?!

Biting my tongue mostly, but it might as well be, at least Canada would do something at that point instead of just stagnating.

I will say I felt no need to respond to "drynot" on his post. Dry, are you serious, no one goes to Canada for healthcare, that is laughable. People go there to avoid war, watch hockey, drink, and get drugs, congrats on that I guess.

[Guest littlesissy]

They are losing money. Well, if that's the case, why are all their executives and the CEO getting those huge bonuses?

Have any of you people heard of "fiduciary duty to stockholders"? This is what drives a corporation to make 'Profit'. Either a corporation makes a profit at the interest of it's stock holders or it makes a loss at it's stockholders expense. What happens if a corporations officers are found not acting in the interests of it's stockholders? The SEC steps in, investigations happen, people go to jail, the corporation crumbles and liberals set on the side and say "Look capitalism doesn't work". At the same time the liberals select another industry to target for making 'Profit' for their stock holders. You can't have it both ways...

[Guest littlesissy]

The Canadian system is Not for profit, no one gets rich off of it.

Bull****, and all politicians are honest statesmen. You can bet if there is money exchanging hands there is someone skimming, there's no such thing as a non-corrupt government, organization, corporation, business, church, ball league, etc. Just most of these organization don't have the same power over your freedom as the government does. This comes from the misconception that people are ultimately good, in reality people are ultimately bad, just look around the world and see what we do to each other.

[DL88]

there's no such thing as a non-corrupt ... ball league, etc.

Haha!! Kind of like how the Devil Rays got as far as they did in 2008 just when they were wanting a new stadium.

[drynot]

I will say I felt no need to respond to "drynot" on his post. Dry, are you serious, no one goes to Canada for healthcare, that is laughable.

Yep. It happens more often than you might think. Its a nasty situation really. Canadians who can afford the US system go there from time to time and Americans without health care come to Canada to get treatment. I'm not saying that Canada has the best health care in the world. All I am saying is that we won't go bankrupt fighting off a major illness. Our system certainly isn't free and it certainly isn't cheap but it works, in most cases.

[DL88]

Yep. It happens more often than you might think. Its a nasty situation really. Canadians who can afford the US system go there from time to time and Americans without health care come to Canada to get treatment. I'm not saying that Canada has the best health care in the world. All I am saying is that we won't go bankrupt fighting off a major illness. Our system certainly isn't free and it certainly isn't cheap but it works, in most cases.

Dude when I said laughable I meant bullshit. I have NEVER heard of this happening and believe me, if it were, people like myself would know. It is a fact some seniors get perscription medication because it is cheaper but what does that say about the drug control if you are selling perscriptions to any buyer especially when perscription forges are rampant. Oh wait, isn't it a fact that drug cartels and other "bad" people are using the Canadian border as an easy access point to the U.S. because of not only the relaxed laws, but the relaxed (more than to the South) border control.

Go back to your single party politically controlled media buddy.

[drynot]

Dude. Relax. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. I agree with you on some points...

Here is some reading material for you....

www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/americans-whove-used-cana_b_215256.html

Another....

www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1

As I said, its usually the folks who cannot afford the American system using the Canadian system.

[DL88]

Dude. Relax. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. I agree with you on some points...

Here is some reading material for you....

www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/americans-whove-used-cana_b_215256.html

Are you effing kidding me dude? You are seriously looking at a newspaper and presenting it as fact!? In your freshman English class at college they should have taught you about references, if they didn't, get your money back!

Ok, I can play that game of citing anything too. Let's check the liberal leanings of the Huffington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/08/AR2007070801213.html (WP is also left leaning)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Arianna_Huffington.htm

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10151227-2.html

Crawl back in your little hole and come back with something better than a liberal ex-blogger with distorted facts for their own politically idealistic benefit.

P.S. In the future come at me with some proper .org, .gov, and .edu sites please, and no whitehouse.gov does not count.

[drynot]

I don't really understand why you seem to have a bug up your azz about Canada and the way we do things up here but it is obvious to me that you really don't know much about our country. You know what....I'm alright with that. I don't know how you can know for sure that no Americans come to Canada for health care but if you think thats the way it is....then keep on thinking that....I don't care one way or another. Nothing you type here can change my mind or opinion about the subject and I am sure there is no source I can cite that can change your opinion...

[Dirty Diaper/Maxipad Lover]

From another forum, here's the exact definition of what constitutes a "taxable medical device":

B. TAXABLE MEDICAL DEVICE. -For purposes of this section-

1. IN GENERAL. The term "taxable medical device" means any device (as defined in section 201(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act) intended for humans.

2. EXEMPTIONS. Such term shall not include: A. eyeglasses, B. contact lenses, C. hearing aids, and D. any other medical device determined by the Secretary to be of a type which is generally purchased by the general public at retail for individual use."

(Emphasis added.)

At last check, diapers meet all criteria of exemption D, they're generally purchased by the general public at retail for individual use. Although I have my views, I'm going to stay out of the political debate here, since it really doesn't belong in this thread anyway.

[DL88]

I'm going to stay out of the political debate here, since it really doesn't belong in this thread anyway.

You are right, it really doesn't, but some ass always starts dissing the U.S. so I have to get involved.

Dry don't get butt hurt . I know more than I need to about your country especially about the complete lack of education of your children when it comes to politics. I had a Canadian girlfriend once, and she knew nothing about politics in general but had been taught all her life to vote for 1 party (guess which one). You indoctrinate your children by telling them what you believe is right which is reaffirmed by liberal teachers, and the truth becomes distorted. You want me to say it? Yes I do have a bug up my ass about Canada, so fucking what, cry about it, no one cares. U.S. citizens love this country with their heart and soul and someone like you would never truly understand that; you come into this attacking someone's country and you start to cry when someone calls out your ignorance, fuck off dude. I'm done with you, like I said, crawl back into your little hole until you can come up with something worthwhile to say, cause I can keep this up all day.

I am sure there is no source I can cite that can change your opinion

From what I've seen you can't cite a source, and no, you can't distort fact.

[drynot]

Dl88: I don't recall 'Attacking' your country or even calling into question your love and dedication towards American values. I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else. If you are basing everything you know on our political system on what your girlfriend told you, well that's your choice I suppose.

I suspect the point of your tirade is to get a rise out of people when it really isn't warranted. This is the internet after all. You are free to do as you like.

[curiositykilledthecat]

If you have attended any public school or university in the sates they pretty much brainwash the kids on who to vote for. There's a reason the average high schooler can't recite the first three amendments of the constitution, let alone the preamble.

I'm not sure how this devolved into a political thread, but hey sooner or later someone was gonna do it, so now that it's been done, could we stop?

[waynecook52]

If you have attended any public school or university in the sates they pretty much brainwash the kids on who to vote for. There's a reason the average high schooler can't recite the first three amendments of the constitution, let alone the preamble.

I'm not sure how this devolved into a political thread, but hey sooner or later someone was gonna do it, so now that it's been done, could we stop?

I agree Cat lets keep all this political crap where it belongs,in the Rest of your life forum and not in these forums.

[Horndog]

Methinks this thread should be closed.