Windows 7

[DailyDi]

You never answered my PM, DailyDi! *pout*

Don't have a PM from you in my box?

[loopy]

It's not just email attachments that allow virus attacks. There are very badly coded parts in the Windows OS itself that hackers use through web pages and scripts to plant things on your machine without you ever clicking anything. So STOP blaming it on users. If you want to point the finger at someone point it at the assholes who write the viruses in the first place. Don't sit there being smug and say "it's their fault cuz they clicked it", that's like telling a woman "it's your fault you got raped because you dressed like that". You can't stop a virus that is embedded in a web page if you don't know it is there in the first place. Just doing a word search in google, yahoo, msn, aol, etc can give you links to pages that are infected...

So how come my pc isn't swarming with viruses? Even through I don't have active virus scanning, and only a basic firewall? Maybe its because I use my brain when I surf? And you can stop a virus that is embedded in a web page if you use good surfing practices, things like no script, or not automatically running all active x components. The fact is users need to be more responsible online.... and most aren't, and go looking for someone else to blame. But then thats pretty much a problem with western culture "not my fault guv, even through its my machine". I'm sure that if linux was as popular as windows a lot of bad code would be found and exploited by the same people. Oh and its more like telling a woman "its your fault you got raped, because you ran around naked shouting rape me"

The Windows Update patches are so people stop screaming about glitches and attacks. But what do you call the complete redesign messes (from Win 3.1 to Win95, from Win 9x to XP, from XP to Vista)? And those were NOT free upgrades. Every time a new Windows was released to the market, users had to pay MORE MONEY to upgrade (if their hardware could handle it) or had to buy a new PC (costing the user MORE MONEY) with it pre-installed.

Those prices are why there are still so very many small companies running either Win98 or WinXP on all their machines, because they cannot afford the licensing cost to upgrade...

Yes the windows update patches stop people screaming about glitches and attacks BECAUSE THEY FIX THE PROBLEMS!

The complete redesigns where not a mess, 98 was a solid OS, XP was a solid OS, and they're different products not upgrades.

You don't seem to understand how the world of business work. Companies make money by selling stuff. Of course they want you pay for the new product THATS HOW IT WORKS! Do you expect that because you brought a ford focus in 2000 that you should get a free ford focus everytime they make an update to the car? Of course not that would be stupid.... The computer industry is based around one thing, Upgrade or die. Force people to upgrade so you can sell the latest hardware, sell the latest software and basically make money.

Oh and very small companies still running win 98/xp. Boo hoo, they're proberly happy with it, they know it works, they know their system and they don't want people changing it anyways.

Microsoft has been killing INNOVATION in the computer world. Microsoft is doing what the telephone companies did back in the 80s, making itself the ONLY option (and look where it got the phone companies... they were forcibly split up by the government). The problem with monopolies is that when you have no competition, you can price your product at any level you want, and people have no choice but to buy it. And that is a VERY UNFAIR way to do business.

Microsoft is just very good at capitalism, they know how to make money, all they and all the other massive companies are there to do. Every single company wants to get into a position of domination, thats just good business. Companies that play fair don't survive, the only reason linux is still going is because it isn't a company.

Wake up, look at what you're typing and trying seeing it from the point of view of a standard user, someone who doesn't use mysql, or ftp, or email servers. This is why windows is used on most machines, they know how to look after the man in the street and give him what he wants. And what he wants is something that he can download music on, read his emails and watch porn.

Edit: yea sorry for the hijacking, but you knows this can be fun

[Pudding]

Don't have a PM from you in my box?

Really? :3 Puddin' sent you one a few days ago; asking about how to get into the 18+ Verified group, et al.

[loopy]

Uh, Windows may have "defender" in either Vista or the new 7, but it definitely does NOT exist for XP users as part of a "clean" new install.

And how much RAM does your PC have? 2, 3, 4 gigs? The highest RAM in any of my machines is only 1gig, most of my machines only have 512mb or less, and those machines DO wind up with lag issues over time based on programs opened and closed all day long.

Ummm defender was released after windows xp? bit hard to put it on the install disks for everyone, how about having it download when you first install the... oh wait.

My pc has 4 gigs, but then I use my pc for very ram intensive activities, Photoshop, 3ds max, Music production. And also ram is so cheap these days its unreal. As for all this lag issues blah blah blah, who gives a crap when rebooting isn't a major thing. Not that its effected me in XP.

Loopy, that's right "you get to actually [WASTE TIME TO] go looking for it" if you want it for Windows, as compared to browsing the list of included options on your Linux install CD... Hmm, which is better, spending HOURS searching for a program for a certain capability, or TRUSTING THE PEOPLE WHO PREPARED THE INSTALL MEDIA and just clicking on what they have tested and KNOW works? I'll go with trusting the people who test the OS.

Why should I trust someone I've never met? I find it easier to trust the word of friends who use this stuff. And spending hours searching? ummm no. "yo whats a sexy ftp program?" "ummm flashfxp is pretty cool" "cheers dude" :/. Besides the fact that the average user doesn't neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed this stuff!

And by the way, I prefer the title of NERD. Just watch the Revenge of the Nerds movies...

A Geek is a carnival act who bites the heads off live animals (bats, rats, mice, etc). Look it up in a Webster's dictionary, or better yet, here's the definitions:

geek (gēk)

n.

1. a. A person regarded as foolish, inept, or clumsy.

b. A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.

2. A carnival performer whose show consists of bizarre acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken.

The number 2 entry was the ORIGINAL definition, it was modified in recent years to add the # 1 entries (which are directly copied from the definition of nerd).

nerd also nurd (nûrd)

n. Slang

1. A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.

2. A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.

Notice how the definition of nerd has been merged into the definition of geek? Any self-respecting nerd will tell you that WE ARE NOT GEEKS!

Well I prefer the term geek. To me Nerd = the awkward socially inept thick glassed guy with 2 billion allergies. Whilst geek = someone who knows what they're doing with a computer but can still get laid.

[Repaid1]

Sorry I hijacked your thread...

Off you go then...to the naughty step with you!!!!

[ArtemisEnterri]

Ummm defender was released after windows xp? bit hard to put it on the install disks for everyone, how about having it download when you first install the... oh wait.

My pc has 4 gigs, but then I use my pc for very ram intensive activities, Photoshop, 3ds max, Music production. And also ram is so cheap these days its unreal. As for all this lag issues blah blah blah, who gives a crap when rebooting isn't a major thing. Not that its effected me in XP.

Umm, sure, ram is cheap if you have the latest motherboard that uses the newer DDR2 or newest DDR3 ram. All my boards use the older DDR which is expensive and not kept in stock.

And for many machines I have used (both my home machines and in MANY offices I've been in) it can take as long as 5-10 minutes for a reboot.

As far as defender, the last office I worked in purchased a brand new XP Pro disk for a machine that had a catastrophic data loss and had no backup discs (the pc was installed USED). And that new XP disk did not have any kind of virus protection app in it... And that disk was just purchased during July or August of 08...

Why should I trust someone I've never met? I find it easier to trust the word of friends who use this stuff. And spending hours searching? ummm no. "yo whats a sexy ftp program?" "ummm flashfxp is pretty cool" "cheers dude" :/. Besides the fact that the average user doesn't neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed this stuff!

Gee you sure seem to put a lot of trust in the Microsoft coders, have you met any of them? No? Then my point is made.

At least with a Linux distribution disc, the additional software has all been TESTED to work with that edition of the OS. With Windows, there's no real testing between the OS and all the millions of different apps and games other than what the write of those apps and games has done, no one at Microsoft tested it and said "yeah, this works great with this edition"...

Well I prefer the term geek. To me Nerd = the awkward socially inept thick glassed guy with 2 billion allergies. Whilst geek = someone who knows what they're doing with a computer but can still get laid.

Dude, they copied the definition of nerd into the definition of geek, so it's the same damn thing really...

[ArtemisEnterri]

Off you go then...to the naughty step with you!!!!

But I don't wanna!

[loopy]

Meh, I'm done with this for now. Windows does what it does, and a lot of people are happy with it, it works, and to keep it going takes a minimum amount of knowledge. If linux can do all this then why aren't more people running it?

and about nerd/geek read again what I said

Well I prefer the term geek. To me Nerd = the awkward socially inept thick glassed guy with 2 billion allergies. Whilst geek = someone who knows what they're doing with a computer but can still get laid.

Notice how I used "I" and "To me"

Now I'm off to get padded and into my new sleeper.

[Repaid1]

Really? :3 Puddin' sent you one a few days ago; asking about how to get into the 18+ Verified group, et al.

I got this one...is this it? I never got a notice, and it's in my comments section in my profile not a PM.

Pudding

Yesterday, 09:50 AM Two questions! Puddin' would like to know how to get the "Verified 18+" stuffs. And secondly Aussieabdl would like to change forum names; ish this possible? Thank you <3

Verification:

Click the link below and purchase a subscription uprade for $1.00 using Paypal. This verfies your ID, email and age in one easy step. Of that dollar, we only get 64cents after fees, so it's not an attempt to make money, though the little we get will go to help cover the costs of maintaining this site.

http://www.dailydiap...h...&CODE=index

Slower But Free: Become a member in Good Standing

Post to the board, and engage in conversations here and become known to the community. We look at your post count and behavior on the board, and at pre-determined intervals your membership level is upgraded.

Somehat Quick, but Not reccomended: Send us an ID

Scan or take a photo of your ID, black out your ID #, address and Social Security, leaving only your photo, first name and DOB and email it to dailydi@dailydiapers.com along with your board user name. I will personally upgrade your account then delete the ID file. It is not reccomended solely as I hate to collect any personal information - even for a minute - but I am willing to do it to allow speedy and free access to the chat feature.

As for changing forums names only Admin can do it. If your talking about changing a Thread topic then the OP Can do it. If your asking about a existing Forum then you can submit your request via the board in the Tech support section....MMMMMMMKayy..that should cover it.

[Pudding]

I got this one...is this it? I never got a notice, and it's in my comments section in my profile not a PM.

Pudding

Yesterday, 09:50 AM Two questions! Puddin' would like to know how to get the "Verified 18+" stuffs. And secondly Aussieabdl would like to change forum names; ish this possible? Thank you <3

Verification:

Click the link below and purchase a subscription uprade for $1.00 using Paypal. This verfies your ID, email and age in one easy step. Of that dollar, we only get 64cents after fees, so it's not an attempt to make money, though the little we get will go to help cover the costs of maintaining this site.

http://www.dailydiap...h...&CODE=index

Slower But Free: Become a member in Good Standing

Post to the board, and engage in conversations here and become known to the community. We look at your post count and behavior on the board, and at pre-determined intervals your membership level is upgraded.

Somehat Quick, but Not reccomended: Send us an ID

Scan or take a photo of your ID, black out your ID #, address and Social Security, leaving only your photo, first name and DOB and email it to dailydi@dailydiapers.com along with your board user name. I will personally upgrade your account then delete the ID file. It is not reccomended solely as I hate to collect any personal information - even for a minute - but I am willing to do it to allow speedy and free access to the chat feature.

As for changing forums names only Admin can do it. If your talking about changing a Thread topic then the OP Can do it. If your asking about a existing Forum then you can submit your request via the board in the Tech support section....MMMMMMMKayy..that should cover it.

I sent that one to you after a few days of no reply from Daily Di Thank you for the reply! I'll do the $1, methinks.

As for forum name, what I meant to say for "username"; Aussieabdl wants to change his username to Charlotte and was wondering if it would be possible?~

[DiaperKitty]

You know after seeing how long this stream is going I was thinking that perhaps it should be moved to the Rest of Your Life as I am not sure how it pertains to items in "Our Lifestyle Discussion"

[dl_ashlee]

Gee, I LOVE the people who assume that Open Source automatically means that people "spend hours customizing their computer for their specific need". Guess what, I can download a NEW edition Linux install image, burn it to cd or dvd, install the OS, then run the PC for MONTHS without ever doing anything more than setting up user accounts and passwords. See your post seems to me like it is written as if you've only used the OLDER less user-friendly distributions (from maybe 2005 or earlier) and have not tried any of the NEWEST "idiot proofed" installers.

And TECHNICALLY, in the Linux world, the Linux kernel IS a "standard" item (since you can't have ANY "flavor" of Linux without the kernel), as well as xWindows (whether it's the xfree86 or x.org edition) and the KDE or GNOME graphic environments, and even the GCC software development system is a "standard" (although it is not REQUIRED for general use of the machine) <- these 5 (counting KDE and GNOME separately) ARE STANDARD ON ALL LINUX INSTALLATION DISCS. The major difference between distributions is what secondary programs they include (apps, games, etc). And no, there is nothing "complicated to install" if you have the GUI for the Software Management app (whether zypper, yum, apt-get, etc).

I've said this already on this thread, and I'll just keep repeating it: the ONLY reason Windows is so popular is because Microsoft made sure there was no competition. If it wasn't for Microsoft, companies like Commodore and Tandy (Radio Shack - remember the TRS 80's?) might still be making their computers and their own OS's.

And guess what, there are MANY European countries who have TOTALLY AND PERMANENTLY switched AWAY from Windows for all their GOVERNMENT computer systems.

I've had my 7 year old daughter play around on a Linux GUI screen and have NO TROUBLE AT ALL using the same "point and click" techniques she knows from Windows on the Linux machine. So your comment of "but as a general everyday computer windows or mac os is the easiest to use" is simply based on your BIAS toward Windows and against Linux and not any real FACT.

ANY GUI is "easy to use". What makes me laugh is that these days most people would be completely lost if their mouse (or trackball, touchpad, etc) stopped working and they couldn't get a replacement fast enough, since even in schools they don't even teach keyboard commands or shortcuts anymore. I was in a computer class in 2004 and the teacher freaked when I opened the dos-style command prompt and typed a few commands (because that teacher never used command line stuff themselves). I grew up with DOS first, then started using Windows, so I'm more comfortable using keyboard commands and command lines than I am with "point and click".

lol, I'm a computer engineering student that requires us to use linux for programming, I have used the latest Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Mandriva and there is always some kind of problem that keeps me from using it as an everyday OS. Also there is no easy way to just install a specific version of gcc/g++, so that I can have the same version as installed on the school computers and without having the same version I can't make sure that it will compile and run with the schools computers, so I have to go on there computers to verify this, luckily I can log in via ssh or vnc and compile and run before I turn them in. Also only Fedora allows me to run anything more then 800x600 without major hassles.

Back to Windows 7 though, they really are starting to get things right. The task bar being very close to Mac OS X was the best thing they have done in a long time. I think it is even better actually, specially if you have Aero running, I love having just one button that holds all that programs windows and pops up a preview of each when you mouse over them and can easily close all the windows of that program if you want to. I know Mac OS X shows previews also, but in a different way that I don't like as much. Also finally they added the snipping tool that Mac has had for a long time. No more having to go into paint.net just to crop the screen shot.

Also Windows 7 doesn't require 3 gigs, I have 2 gigs and it runs perfectly smooth. Though I wouldn't run with any less then 2gigs.

[babykeiff]

Rather than complicate the thread with unnecessary detail, I will try and explain how a virus enters a system. A virus, like any program, needs to be executed to even install. Within a 'smart' os, this will happen in the background, and requires a av program to protect the os. Within Linux, NOTHING, and I mean nothing will happen without someone telling the os to do it. To the Windows crowd, this migh seem like a little infuriating, but LINUX has solved this problem by creating startup lists etc. of programs to run. Microsoft loads, at startup, 'keys' to all variation of startup programs, so that it can auto-run new files on demand. That allows LINUX not to require an AV program cause a virus simply can't run without given clear instructions to run.

It is this benefit that Linux has that makes it so stable, and the business choice for companies worldwide. The banking & financial system / Internet / medical database system / postal system / mobile phone system worldwide use LINUX or flavors of such to insure that their data is secure, and accessible.

A worldwide parcel delivery company, one of my clients, has machines that handles 260,000 transactions per second. A single CELL (mobile phone local base) has, on average, two pcs each running Linux. The core application that is the mobile phone software will connect to up to 10,000 phones, creating 30,000 threads dynamically. This application (C++ / EriPascal based) was originally tried on a Windows based system, and would constantly crash the machine after either 2 hours OR 500 threads.

A Windows based system would crash on that load

As I already stated, Linux etc works, while Windows is a toy. Companies that need MS Office etc sometimes install WINE on a LINUX based machine, install Windows in the shell, and MS Office. There is a worldwide cost cutting issue, and the luxury of the MS interface is being replaced with the stability and functionality of Open Source product.

Yes, there is a subsidary industry to Microsoft, which is also failing. The creation of 'inet and email' only machines (netbooks / mini-laptops etc) - growth from the mobile phone market - use LINUX as the core OS. The reason - the machine is cheap to produce, and reliable. I'd conservatively estimate that in 5-10 years, Microsoft will step out of trying to create OS's.This is in consideration of the high sales of 'inet and email' only products, and the high cost to keep a Windows OS working.

Gates, in 1990, tried to sell MS based 'inet/email' only product. Even then, he knew that MS couldn't compete with the internet, and it was a cort order that forced MS not to embed its inet tools within its OS. Instead, Gates tried to charge 3rd party developers to run their software within the MS shell. This has also failed. It has backfired, as many 3rd party developers have switched to develop platform independent software. We see that as a huge growth in Java based software.

It is understandable that the Windows 'crowd' are slow to change. They have accepted the failings of the OS, and assume that it is the standard within the computer industry. However, your children will chose what works, as they have no loyalties towards Microsoft. That 'failings' that I refer to, unfortunately propagates throughout the world. Companies routinely use a 'disclaimer' to state that it is the consumers fault that a product does not perform. How many comapnies have you dealt with that require you to bring a product that you own back to them so that they can charge you? Think of the motor industry - where an original replacement part (ie Ford part for a Ford car) is much more expensive than a unbranded part, yet the unbranded part will last longer. Also, what is the cost difference to you to get the product replaced in a main dealer? A huge range of car manufacturers identify the parts within their cars to ensure that their customer (read sucker) has to go to a main dealer to get the part replaced. Renault identify the spark plugs and spark plug leads. A new set of renault plugs / leads installed by a mechanic will not work unless Renault connect their computer to the car and identify the parts to the computer.

There is also 'computer controlled' washing machines, dishwashers, toasters, vacuum cleaners, TVs ... most domestic goods that 'fail' after a preset time. The design of a 'timed fuse' has been replaced by computer controlled failure. Service agents have become 'replacement technicians'. If a company 'knows' that a particular part will fail after so many hours, why not improve the part? Simply, to do so would reduce repeat sales.

This is one of the business concepts built on Microsofts disclaimer and business model, and we, as consumers, accept this!

[Pudding]

The creation of 'inet and email' only machines (netbooks / mini-laptops etc) - growth from the mobile phone market - use LINUX as the core OS.

You do realize that the netbooks you refer to ran Linux for only long enough for people to demand Windows; right? Windows XP is the majorly dominant OS in the netbook market.

[ArtemisEnterri]

You do realize that the netbooks you refer to ran Linux for only long enough for people to demand Windows; right? Windows XP is the majorly dominant OS in the netbook market.

Really? Then why do I still see a Linux-based "netbook" sitting right beside the Windows-based one? And the Windows-based unit has less included software and a slightly higher price, want to explain why? Don't bother, I already know why: because in order to use Windows on that "netbook", the manufacturer had to PAY EXTRA for the OS, and since Windows doesn't come with "bonus" stuff like Linux does, they had to PAY EXTRA for any additional software they included (unless they use stuff like Sun's OpenOffice which is free).

I already mentioned about my 7 year old having no problems using a Linux GUI... Well when we were considering getting one of those child-sized mini "netbooks" for our daughter, my wife played with one of the Linux units that was setup for demo, and said it was really easy to use (and she's a die-hard windows user).

[Pudding]

So if Linux is free; why is the demand for more expensive, Windows-based, netbooks so much higher?

Oh, that's right; the "conspiracy theory". I forgot~

[Repaid1]

I sent that one to you after a few days of no reply from Daily Di Thank you for the reply! I'll do the $1, methinks.

As for forum name, what I meant to say for "username"; Aussieabdl wants to change his username to Charlotte and was wondering if it would be possible?~

I won't change a name unless the request comes from that user. If you talk to AussieABDL, have them contact me directly.

[Pudding]

Will do! I'll make him ask you himself instead of putting me to work asking around XD

[Bettypooh]

Installed windows 7! Why? Did it not work the other six times? .... MICROSOFT CANT MAKE SOFTWARE THAT WORKS....

You gotta love the truth!

ArtemisEnterri says:

"I just can't afford to keep paying the price MS charges every time they release the new versions... Linux is FREE to download and install on as many computers as you want to use it on."

This is another of the many reasons that MS is going to go the way of AOL. Once people figure out that they're not getting value for their money they will go to somewhere else- anywhere else- to a place where they will. MS would already be like the Dodo bird except that they managed (like AOL) to become ubiquitous and easy. Mac will follow because they're competing with MS instead of seeing the big picture. As Linux grows in ease of use the rest shall fall- this is natural selection and inevitable. The only thing that can change it is if MS and/or Mac comes up with something better and gives it away for free. Being profit-oriented corporations they can't do that and survive

Zpeed says:

"Linux sucks for gaming"

Others have addressed this and as Linux grows the game designers will also gravitate towards the best interface for Linux with all other OS's becoming secondary

Loopy says:

"....Microsoft os's seem to go good, bad, good, bad ...."

You're right on target which is why I have always waited to see how it works for others before changing things myself. I don't want to be a guniea pig

Brutal says:

"....Is this new Windows 7, going to be a better product with less "bloated code" and continual patches?...."

Hey, it's MS so what do you expect? The only reason I'm still using MS is that I'm too lazy to change over

babykeiff says:

"....in my humble opinion, the world would be much much better off if Microsoft never existed..."

I'll disagree only with this part. Like AOL, MS did serve a legitimate purpose in getting a lot of people connected easily. It was a start but only that, and when people realize that there is much more to life than what they started with they move on

Loopy says: "....You linux fanbois need to take a step back and look at why windows is the biggest OS in the world. Its not because of performance, its not because of price. Its because it works, it does the job, and most people just want that...."

Baloney. Windows is the biggest because of their business practices and marketing techniques. That can only carry you so far, it is a path to predetermined failure because you're concentrating on the wrong goal. It's not about leading the race, it's who wins in the end that counts. MS and Mac have always been too busy trying to beat each other and have weakened themselves in so doing. This has let Linux head for the lead spot based solely on it's merits. American corporate thinking has become fixated on short-term alone and that's why our economy has fallen down. If you're going to win in the end you have to think that far ahead

dl_ashlee says:'

"....And sorry to burst your bubble, but an open source OS just can't become a main stream desktop OS. The typical user doesn't want to spend hours customizing their computer for their specific needs...."

You're right there but it's only a matter of time before a generous 'geek' takes time to bundle Linux options into something of a "standard OS". That this will happen is easily predictable when these people are already giving freely to work with the open source code. Now maybe whoever does this will want a nominal price for that initially but in the end someone else will decide that it should be free to everyone and cause that to happen.

Someone else mentioned that they'd rather have 'pros' doing their designing. Well they may or may not be in the designing business but Linux designers are good enough to do as well as the 'pros' in many instances and they are not hampered or restricted by anyone elses policies like the 'pros' are- thier options are unlimited whereas a 'pro' has to work within the established framework I never forget that 'professional' actually means someone who professes to an ability- not someone who proves it through their actions. In the real world I have found that 95+% of the so-called 'professionals' are as incompetent as anyone could possibly be and the only reason they haven't failed is because most people give up sifting through the haystack of incompetence long before they find the glorious needle

Loopy says: "I HAVE A STICK AND I SHALL PROD!

....The owners of those small time companies let them selves be brought out, its what they wanted...."

This reminds me of Sid Vicious's "my future dream is a sharpened stick" line I like it!

You're assesment of corporate selling is in error. If a big company wants to pressure a small one into selling they can do it. Like the Tucker automobile it's not enough to offer a better product or a better value, you have to be able to build and market it long enough to survive against your competition- the survivor is generally whoever amassed the most resources, not who had the best thing. You run a company for profit and it's easy to undermine a small company long enough to make it fail- thus the smaller company either sells out or goes broke and going broke isn't profitable so they sell out. They really have no other viable option. Such is unregulated free enterprise at it's best and it's worst. This is why free open source code will win in the end- the big companies cannot out-resource something that costs nothing and cannot be bought out or undermined. They cannot compete because they can't play a no-profit game where anything they do can be matched or bettered overnight at a better price than they can possibly offer. Competent generosity trumps free enterprise and that is exactly what Linux is offering.

The bottom line is simply this: Windows has to keep 'upgrading' to sell more products and stay in business. They have never taken the time to correctly design a product that works properly without constant updates. Their new OS's always call for more and more computer resources and are designed so that you are forced to buy what you may not (in my case do not) need. They never designed products to be effectively malware resistant( there's something people would be glad to spend money on- nobody likes having problems with their computer). Mac is essentially the same. Linux or something like it will end the corporate reign of market control through manipulation in the computing field and force all players to compete on one simple concept alone- the best overall product wins and all others lose. If they survive, MS and Mac will become tiny specialized software companies addressing only markets which very few people are interested in. They will find the competition tough as everyday computer users become more knowledgable about their machines with more and more people knowing how to design and alter code to fit their specialized needs.

What goes around comes around and it will be back to garage-sized operations for all but one- the best one.

Bettypooh

PS: Having limits on copied text blocks sucks as it makes it hard to reply in a single message.

[DailyDi]

Give me back my thread!

[dl_ashlee]

LOL, Linux fanboys. There just isn't any convincing them that linux isn't the holy grail, lol.

[loopy]

LOL, Linux fanboys. There just isn't any convincing them that linux isn't the holy grail, lol.

Yep.... they just don't get it really :X

Linux is a great OS, its a great project, and the fact that it works well gives me faith in humanity. But the average man in the street will stick to windows, he doesn't need to deal with 10,000 emails, he doesn't need to have a 99.9% uptime, he just needs something that's easy to use and works with most software out there.

Back to the topic, I'm defo going to give Windows 7 a try if I can get it on the cheap, may have to wait for a while before they make it stable (about 6 months usually )

[ArtemisEnterri]

Yep.... they just don't get it really :X

Linux is a great OS, its a great project, and the fact that it works well gives me faith in humanity. But the average man in the street will stick to windows, he doesn't need to deal with 10,000 emails, he doesn't need to have a 99.9% uptime, he just needs something that's easy to use and works with most software out there.

Back to the topic, I'm defo going to give Windows 7 a try if I can get it on the cheap, may have to wait for a while before they make it stable (about 6 months usually )

Gee Loopy it looks to me like YOU are the one not getting it, again you do the "he doesn't need ...." and "he just needs something that's easy to use and works..." comments.

Were you ignoring my past statements? Linux IS "easy to use" and Linux DOES "work with most software" WITHOUT excess tinkering, I have done it MULTIPLE TIMES WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION SETS AND RECENT VERSION NUMBERS.

The "average man on the street will stick to windows" because they are either TOO BLIND or TOO DUMB to understand that Microsoft and Mac are not the only Operating Systems out there. Most "average" people listen to what their company's IT people tell them (even when a lot of that can be WRONG information) and get tricked into believing that they have to use the same operating system on their home computer in order to do any "work from home". Most companies stick with Windows because they are TOO AFRAID of CHANGE, even if it is a change that would save them HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!

Home users might not be ultra concerned about having 99% uptime, but corporations ARE CONCERNED, particularly if they run heavy-duty web and database servers. That's what you are missing the point about. Linux would reduce IT costs for corporations compared to using Windows because Linux is so much more secure, more stable, and doesn't require LICENSING FEES whenever new versions are released.

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I'll say it's better than vista, however my linux machine blows it out of the water as far as the amount of resources that windows 7 consumes. I've found that the networking is still not up to par with linux also, there is quite a few things I can do with linux out of the box that I can't do with windows that I use often like ssh, sshfs, and pgp encryption to name a few. But it does look really smooth.

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The "average man on the street will stick to windows" because they are either TOO BLIND or TOO DUMB to understand that Microsoft and Mac are not the only Operating Systems out there. Most "average" people listen to what their company's IT people tell them (even when a lot of that can be WRONG information) and get tricked into believing that they have to use the same operating system on their home computer in order to do any "work from home". Most companies stick with Windows because they are TOO AFRAID of CHANGE, even if it is a change that would save them HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!

Yay for over generalization. ALL WINDOWS USERS ARE DUMB. Maybe they just don't actually give a shit what they use? Maybe if it works it works. I use windows cause I know it like the back of my hand. Most people who use computers at work use windows, and they want something familiar for home use. OH SHIT WINDOWS

Home users might not be ultra concerned about having 99% uptime, but corporations ARE CONCERNED, particularly if they run heavy-duty web and database servers. That's what you are missing the point about. Linux would reduce IT costs for corporations compared to using Windows because Linux is so much more secure, more stable, and doesn't require LICENSING FEES whenever new versions are released.

Hence why most companies use linux servers on the back end! Like I said in more then one post. And if linux did reduce IT costs for corporations then they would of moved over. You don't think they know about linux? All those students going to work for them? That they've never had some linux guy shouting out about it? If they stuck to windows then it isn't cost effective to move over, they have people who cost this stuff up. People who's job it is to look at these variables from every angle, from cost of hiring staff with knowledge, cost of training staff etc etc.

God damn it people CHILL OUT, stop posting fecking essays every time someone mentions they like windows. You put me off running linux, what if I turn into someone like you? someone who gives a crap about an OS, something that is ultimately unimportant.