Taking Advantage Of Vulnerable Adult Babies And Diaper Lovers.

[Goerge]

Over the years I have noticed more women offering day care services for adult babies and diaper lovers here in England. Changing Diapers and spoon feeding which some of us really want and dream about. Are these people taking advantage of our vulnerability (fetish) knowing that some people really desire and will pay stupid amounts of money for this. I mean its £150 ($300) for one hour with a adult baby nanny here in England alone. I just feel that these people are not interested one bit in our fetish, all they want is to make a quick buck and we. Same with the people who cater for the adult baby clothing maket. They somtimes charge £100 ($200) for a basic romper suite when they perhaps know one could have one made for £30. It just makes me made that people are exploting us.

George...

[Sophie ♥]

I have a full intention to create an adult baby daycare center for prices barely over typical hotel prices. I dont know where i'm gonna built it, and it probably wont be up for years to come, but i am in complete agreement with you, and now i want to create a real daycare center for adult babies specifically formed by real ab mommies and babies (myself included). I hope to have more than just "babying" options open, to expand on peoples desires. Mommy and I have discussed it a little.

-Sophie

[sarah_ab]

I dont think you can say they are 'taking advantage' of being 'desparate' to be babied. They are not going over to someone's house, and the minute that person opens the door babying them, and then tricking them into giving them money.

These woman have found a niche in the ab/dl market, and discovered that some people will pay large amounts of money to be babied.

No different than consultants who found some people will pay absurd amounts of money to keep them 'in style'.

The client who pays the money is making the choice to enter into that business transaction. They are in no way being forced or tricked into paying that amount of money.

And honestly, 150$ (or pounds, but i dont have that symbol) for an hour is how much someone would pay for a therapist.... and you could consider an hour of being babied a form of therapy for some.

[Youngatheart252]

They ask that amount of money because people are willing to pay that kind of money. I'll use car parts as an example, an alternator for a Cadillac may be identical to an alternator for a chevrolet but you will pay more for the Cadillac part because people are willing to pay for it. If nobody buys your product you will eventually lower your prices in order to gain business. But, if people are willing to pay at the current prices, why would you expect the business to lower their prices?

(and for the record I agree, the prices are crazy.)

[Goerge]

I dont think you can say they are 'taking advantage' of being 'desparate' to be babied. They are not going over to someone's house, and the minute that person opens the door babying them, and then tricking them into giving them money.

These woman have found a niche in the ab/dl market, and discovered that some people will pay large amounts of money to be babied.

No different than consultants who found some people will pay absurd amounts of money to keep them 'in style'.

The client who pays the money is making the choice to enter into that business transaction. They are in no way being forced or tricked into paying that amount of money.

And honestly, 150$ (or pounds, but i dont have that symbol) for an hour is how much someone would pay for a therapist.... and you could consider an hour of being babied a form of therapy for some.

I understand you're point of view Sarah_ab. I just think some nannies think this is easy money by advertising only to the ABDL community, like you say because we are a small macket. I think they are not that intrested in our needs just the money. Many people like myself somtimes want that intimacy and love when being changed. Charging $300 Amerian dollers for one hour adult baby play is a ripp off.

I think if people had more confidence you could hire a escort (upmarket prostitute) for a smaller price then that, i think they would be more then happy to oblige. Its not like I want to have sex with them.

[justindiapers]

There's more to it than most people realize, I think. Just to take a room and outfit it as a full AB playroom could easily run several thousand dollars. If you charge $100 per hour, it'll take something like thirty hour-long sessions just to pay for the furniture. With as few AB's as there are, how long do you think it's going to take to get thirty hours in? Unless you happen to chance upon a rich guy (or gal) who wants to play baby all the time, I'm betting it could easily take a year or more. For something that someone is just doing on the side to make some extra money, that's an awfully long payoff period. And if someone is trying to do it full time, then they have to charge enough to actually make a living.

That's really the issue with most AB specific things... there simply aren't enough of us to drive the costs down. There are going to be certain fixed costs in operating any business, and those costs have to be paid for whether they're spread out over 100 units or 100,000,000 units. Diapers and plastic pants are fairly reasonable because of the much larger incontinence market, but adult sized frilly dresses, baby bonnets, and cribs? That's a tiny market.

You also mention the price of clothing, but remember that you can't compare hand made clothes to what you buy in Wal-Mart. What's sold in Wal-Mart was probably made with the cheapest materials in an Indonesian sweatshop by someone who is probably making $0.1 per hour. You can't expect someone to charge that sort of labor rate in the western world because they just can't live off it, plus it's just not worth their time. $20-$30 per hour is the absolute minimum that I'd consider reasonable for hand crafted items. The same argument applies to furniture. Try buying a high quality mass produced normal bed, and then that $1000 crib that is custom built for a very small market doesn't look so bad.

[Baby Bethany]

The trouble with using a prostitute over an AB nanny, is that she will probably do it with a bored look on her face, where's the nanny will probably at least get into the swing of things.

To answer the question, yes I also think these woman are charging too much, but hey they are running a business, so will charge what they can get. It's a bit like some call girls that charge a £1000 ($2000) a night to sleep with them. I wouldn't pay that, but some guys do. I don't really think the nannies are into this, it's a way of making money.

The one complaint I have about the AB clothes in the UK is the price. They always cost about three times as much as the same clothes in the US.........why? Yeah, it's because people pay it, but they must cost the same to make. I almost always order mine from the US now, because even with the shipping they are still cheaper.

Beth

[BriGuy]

This whole community is a niche thing. Which means there isn't much offered for us. It is all supply and demand. Supply goes up prices goes down and visa versa. So, how many places do you know will change your dirty diaper and spoon feed you? I know that there aren't many so 300 bucks an hour is fair. If it wasn't fair then the fee wouldn't be paid and they would have to lower their prices. Not to mention they have to re-coup the costs of putting the whole nursery together, clothing, diapers, furniture, heating/cooling costs, and food etc.

Adult baby clothing is a whole other situation. Most of it is made by hand and have countless hours involved in their creation. I know my friend Tami has spend obscene hours creating her ruffled dress. It might only have 30 or 50 bucks worth of cloth, but the time spent creating the article is where the money goes too.

With a capitalistic society, if you don't like the price you have every right to attempt to do it for cheaper and get rich selling your wares.

~Brian

[Pipsqueak]

AB Mommies are like people in any other job - there are ones who are good at their job, take pride in their work, and enjoy it and there are ones who are all about making a buck. As someone else pointed out, it's not cheap to stock a nursery for big kids. We've all looked at the sites that make AB furniture and know that they're expensive to buy, not to mention keeping a stock of assorted types of diapers, powders, and clothing.

There are some who will overcharge, some who won't . Some who don't give a damn about you and some that will. Just like in everything else.

[anondl]

Consider also what a vanilla prostitute may charge. Or even a legitimate massuse.

Elliot Spitzer spent so much in hookers that he couldn't hide the paper trail. Services like these are expensive. Even if I could afford it I don't think I'd spend the money cause I'm too much of a tightwad.

Anondl

PS Now lets discuss the word "vulnerable".

[Topguy]

This whole community is a niche thing. Which means there isn't much offered for us. It is all supply and demand. Supply goes up prices goes down and visa versa. So, how many places do you know will change your dirty diaper and spoon feed you? I know that there aren't many so 300 bucks an hour is fair. If it wasn't fair then the fee wouldn't be paid and they would have to lower their prices. Not to mention they have to re-coup the costs of putting the whole nursery together, clothing, diapers, furniture, heating/cooling costs, and food etc.

Adult baby clothing is a whole other situation. Most of it is made by hand and have countless hours involved in their creation. I know my friend Tami has spend obscene hours creating her ruffled dress. It might only have 30 or 50 bucks worth of cloth, but the time spent creating the article is where the money goes too.

With a capitalistic society, if you don't like the price you have every right to attempt to do it for cheaper and get rich selling your wares.

~Brian

I sew. A meduim sized pair of ruffled but vinyl lined plastic and satin covered diaper panties takes me almost two hours total to make. Materials are about twenty bucks. I'd go broke selling that item for less than fifty bucks. If I cannot pay for my time and get ahead-it's not worth doing..

Bondage gear pays much better, and there is 100 times the market for that as ab stuff. And I don't have to do even less profitable custom one offs to make a buck doing it.

[Repaid1]

I'll chime in for a moment on this one (probably one of my long posts though). Remembering the "ole" DPF days and their babysitter list. Yes there were quite a few professional girls on their list and charging outlandish prices per hour. But their were quite a few "real" mommies as well. I decided to contact one down in Florida her price was $25 a hour with reduced rates on up, I believe it was $300 a weekend back then. We talked quite a bit through snail mail first and a few times on the phone. She seemed really interested in her "job".

So anyway, I went to visit her at her home. She did have a highchair, but no crib (at the time). She Diapered me first as soon as I got there (actually changed me) I sat on the couch with just a onsie and diaper while she putted around the house coming in from time to time to check on me and play a bit.

After about a hour she turned up a notch. She brought the bottle, and had me put my head in her lap. She cooed at me and tasseled my hair while I drank the bottle and even tried to burp me. She was constantly checking my diapers, saying not quite wet enough to change and the like. It was getting later in the evening, so she started me a bath. The bath was great, bubbles and toys and lot's of splashing. Then she diapered me again and picked out one of my sleepers. I asked her if she would mind if we stepped out of character for a while before bed and had a night cap.

She looked at me for a moment and said "Why not" I told her I should be double diapered..which I showed her what that meant. She put a plain blue onsie on me and I threw on some shorts that did pretty much hide the diapers.

So we go out, I picked a little hole in the wall neighbor hood bar. Long story short I paid for everything, and we had a great time doing Karaoke and playing some bar games drinking into the wee (pun intended) hours of the morning she was constantly patting my bottom and talking babytalk.."Make your Bobbie all gones". Later on I told her we should call it quits for the night and she agreed. She dropped me off at my motel room, came in and changed me again for the night..She double diapered me with a pampers for a insert (Quick Learner). Gave me a kiss on the forehead and bid me "Good nite Timmy".

Long story short..She showed up the next morning and we did the park thing and some site seeing and alittle baby shopping and some for her too as well (happy baby's buy for their mommy's) By Sunday we were winding down. I probably had spent $500 through the weekend and had yet to pay her.

I offered her $400 in a envelope for the weekend, she went into the bedroom to pack up what I had there at her house. Brought out my bag and said our goodbyes. I jumped into the cab and headed for the airport. I reached into my bag for something, and there was the envelope, it read "No thanks Timmy I had too great of a time to even think of taking any more money." I told the cabbie to circle the block, stopped short of her house and snuck up the drive to her house. She had a mail slot on her door. I wrote under her note, "I had a great time too, and this is yours for sure. Hope to see you soon, Timmy".

A week later I got a note from her talking about the time she sat for me. She said she had babysat for quite a few over the years but none acted the part better than me. She said she had a surprise coming for me that week. Well she did, she showed up in my town and we had another fun weekend. She used my money for the flight and room. So there are some good ones out there.

The prices today are just way overboard I agree, But I am Married to my Mommie now, so they don't affect me. For the Baby Sitters here in Ohio, I can tell you that they recouped their investment on Nurserys 10 fold in a year for many years. At $3000+ a month. It better be the most awesome experience ever for a visit.

For those guys wanting a Cheap Sitter, You would be surprised. Go-Go bars, and the occasional escort service are indeed a great way to find a sitter. I have had about 10 that way. You would be surprised at the level of care they will provide. Most are single mothers, so they know how to treat a baby. Honestly I never had one even give it a second thought, a few drinks in both of us and it was Game ON! They find it a great way to take a night off and relax, without all the "normal" duties. For less than $100 you can have a great time. Okay That's all for now...Ramble on Timmy!

[Goerge]

Thats a lovely story Repaid.

[sarah_ab]

just a note, cause it sorta irks me when this happens.. true if i were visiting england and were to hire an escort at 150 pounds and hour it would cost me 300 american dollars, however as the economies are pretty comparable, that same escort would charge 150 american dollars if she were doing business in the usa...

so its we're down 150 no matter which country we hire her in, only time i'm down 300 is if i fly from usa, to england and hire her there....

You guys dont make twice as much money an hour as we do, because economy wise, the prices are comparable. example, a big mac here is say 4 dollars, and a big mac over there is 4 pounds, and as professions over there make the same amount in pounds as we make in dollars (give or take a bit), then it costs 'the same'.

but if you are looking for intimacy when being changed, then i'm not sure payingsomeone to change you, no matter what profession they are in, is the way to go, because at the end of the day, you are out 150 pounds, the escort is gone, and has already moved on to her next client, and you are still left alone.

[DiaperBigBoy]

beggers can't be choosy

[Mean Mommy]

You guys dont make twice as much money an hour as we do, because economy wise, the prices are comparable. example, a big mac here is say 4 dollars, and a big mac over there is 4 pounds, and as professions over there make the same amount in pounds as we make in dollars (give or take a bit), then it costs 'the same'.

HEEEEEEEEELL NO!

Are you joking?! We're in a recession! The dollar is worth like, 30 pence! The last time American and English currency was of equal value was probably in 2004. Even Canada's currency beat ours not long back! Sorry love, but Uncle Sam is on his ass right now.

The cost of living in England is a lot higher than the majority of America (except for places like New York, certain parts of California, what have you). There's a lot more people occupying a lot less space.

As for hired mommies...

I'm always tempted to try my hand at being a dominatrix/Mommy. It would work out a lot of rage, I could establish relationships with my clients and generally be happy. But I have way too much ambition to settle for conquering one ass at a time. No, a better way to dominate the world is by invading foreign markets BWA HA HAAA!

And I'm sorry, but I think asking a hooker to have a smile on her face is asking too much, no matter what she's doing.

I think you should sniff around a bit for a good hired Mommy (ew). You have to build relationships with people, even if they are professionals. You can't expect a stranger to embrace you in all your diapered glory. If you want her to care then you have to do a fair bit of looking and investing. You can pay a woman to diaper you, but to smile? That's her soul, and that can't be bought with cash.

In fact, if she were to smile when she doesn't actually want to, that could be a good starting point for schizophrenia.

[Pipsqueak]

I think you should sniff around a bit for a good hired Mommy (ew).

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one particular point, Mean Mommy! The only people likely to be found if you're "sniffing around" are adult babies who are in dire need of a diaper change. Most mommies aren't that odoriferous.

[sarah_ab]

I wasn't saying our economy was equal to theres in the sense you are thinking.. say a teacher here makes 30,000 dollars a year.. a teacher over there makes 30,000 pounds... or a big mac here costs 4 dollars, a big mac there costs 4 pounds, so ratio wise a teacher here and a teacher there are spending the same amount of their salary on that big mac....

but its not a recession, because the tv tells me is just a 'slowing down period' and the unite states government would never lie to its people.

[Baby Bethany]

I wasn't saying our economy was equal to theres in the sense you are thinking.. say a teacher here makes 30,000 dollars a year.. a teacher over there makes 30,000 pounds... or a big mac here costs 4 dollars, a big mac there costs 4 pounds, so ratio wise a teacher here and a teacher there are spending the same amount of their salary on that big mac....

but its not a recession, because the tv tells me is just a 'slowing down period' and the unite states government would never lie to its people.

I see what you're saying Sarah, a piece of clothing for $100 in the US is £100 in the UK which technically is twice the price. However, you are earning about half the salary for the same job, so it about evens things out.

Having said that though, I've been in the US when the rate is about £1.00 to $1.00 and there are still things that are a lot cheaper (which is why I come back with bags of stuff). Property is vastly cheaper, but we will leave that aside, as it's obviously because you have less people per square mile than us. But things like clothes and sneakers are always cheap compared to ours, cars are cheap (although I imagine a European car is more expensive there than here?), fuel is cheap, certain types of food/restaurants are cheap etc.

Beth

PS) Mean Mommy, you couldn't be a dominatrix coz ya too MEAN!!!!

[Repaid1]

I'm just setting here puzzled that a Big Mac really cost 4 Dollars? And that a Female hires a Escort?

[ellebelle99]

To me, the words "taking advantage" evoke thoughts of a NEED, like food, water, or shelter, being grossly overpriced. The lady is running a small business in a niche market. Her time will be pricey. That's just basic economics. And I understand that for some "baby time" might feel like a need, but in reality you won't die without it. The honest truth is, that there aren't that many women into this kink, and those that are would rather play the baby role (gross generalization based on female ab's with whom I've had contact). Supply and demand my friend.

If it makes you feel any better, a good pro-domme in a major US city will charge you about the same. It isn't just AB's who drop the big bucks.

Daddy's Ballerina "e"

[Repaid1]

"The honest truth is, that there aren't that many women into this kink, and those that are would rather play the baby role (gross generalization based on female ab's with whom I've had contact).The honest truth is, that there aren't that many women into this kink, and those that are would rather play the baby role (gross generalization based on female ab's with whom I've had contact).

This is true, but it would be better to add that most women don't know about this. Remembering on one of the talk shows when a "Mommie" told the talk show host how much she made ($25 a hour), the majority of the female audience asked how could they get into the business. Of the over 20 or so "Mommies/Sitters" I have met most didn't know anything about this till I came along (present Mommie/wife included). So guys and gals if your lucky enough to live somewhere where one of my old flames lives, post a ad on craigslist..you might find you had one right around the corner.

It hurts me to hear couples who can't or won't tell there SO's about themselves or who are in a one way relationship. I have had nothing but great success doing so.

[ellebelle99]

It hurts me to hear couples who can't or won't tell there SO's about themselves or who are in a one way relationship. I have had nothing but great success doing so.

I agree. It happens often in the BDsM community as well, but those people usually receive less than warm responses. Hiding such an important part of yourself very rarely works out for the best. It's sad and unnecessary.

[underwhere]

I agree. It happens often in the BDsM community as well, but those people usually receive less than warm responses. Hiding such an important part of yourself very rarely works out for the best. It's sad and unnecessary.

It's also why I am spending significantly more time over on this web site than I am on the other web site which I found and joined before this one. The focus of that web site is the whole s&m/BDSM thing, and while I've met many wonderful people there, I've come to conclude that I can not be authentically "me" without being able to explore all facets of myself in a fairly open environment. Due to billing issues, anything at all related to AB/DL is expressly banned on that website. (Apparently, credit card billers are expressly allowed and permitted to discriminate against people and their lifestyle interests or choices.) Even so much as trying to initiate an academic discussion about "What got you interested in this stuff in the first place? How did you feel about it at the time?" ultimately wound up being a dead topic when people would reflect, because I asked them too because I was curious, upon their early explorations into this stuff prior to the magical age of 18, which is, of course, the very first day of anybody's life that any sexual thoughts or feelings ever enter our brains. (The site admin said such topics are not permissable there on account of billing issues as the credit card biller would not permit even adults talking about themselves reflecting on their younger years. Coincidently, it's also one of the reasons I had started this thread.)

I determined a long time ago that I do not wish to be part of a friendship or community of people if I can not be truly and completely who I am, and not who people want me to be. I haven't explored the whole "pay for service" side of things, but I'm not really sure I want to. See, I really want a relationship with somebody, not just somebody to fill a specific roll for me at a specific time.

There is also plenty else about me that makes me extraordinarily vulnerable, and I wouldn't want to put myself in that position without a great deal of thought, preparation, and decision-making.

I guess what I'm saying is this: you are not vulnerable unless you make yourself vulnerable. You can't be taken advantage of if you don't let people take advantage of you. If you think people are charging too much or providing less-than-stellar service, take your business elsewhere. Nobody is forcing you to use the same people to provide the same service if you don't like the service you have gotten in the first place.

[lynniehyde]

This whole community is a niche thing. Which means there isn't much offered for us. It is all supply and demand. Supply goes up prices goes down and visa versa. So, how many places do you know will change your dirty diaper and spoon feed you? I know that there aren't many so 300 bucks an hour is fair. If it wasn't fair then the fee wouldn't be paid and they would have to lower their prices. Not to mention they have to re-coup the costs of putting the whole nursery together, clothing, diapers, furniture, heating/cooling costs, and food etc.

Adult baby clothing is a whole other situation. Most of it is made by hand and have countless hours involved in their creation. I know my friend Tami has spend obscene hours creating her ruffled dress. It might only have 30 or 50 bucks worth of cloth, but the time spent creating the article is where the money goes too.

With a capitalistic society, if you don't like the price you have every right to attempt to do it for cheaper and get rich selling your wares.

~Brian

Abso, Bri. Supply and demand. It's what drives economy. A lot of times it's not fair. Look at oil nowadays, fer Christsakes.. But, what can you do? Gotta have it. If you gotta have it, you'll pay the price.That's the way it is and the way it always will be. Whatever the market will bear.

Cuddles,

--heidilynn