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Would the community standards protect you if you were found out? Would your private business in your bedroom not become everyone's business? (if the answer is no did you consent to the publicity of your fetish?). By the way, the anti-drunk driving ad is an ineffective piece to level with since the context is people can die if you drink and drive. People won't die from seeing your fetish. From what I know of community standards (personally), these standards are not there to limit inconvenience in fact I believe inconvenience is being maximized when people are labeled a pedophile for wearing a diaper and baby clothes, labeled inhuman for being gay or labeled a hateful racist for voting for trump in 2016. These labels have no context in reality and are denying the unique diversity of each individual that these community standards are apparently meant to convenience. Wearing specific clothing, preaching a specific message or practicing a specific religion in public isn't "forcing ideas down someone's throats". That would insinuate that these people you are talking about are incapable of holding consistent values themselves and are easy to sway and corrupt. This would also insinuate that the forced values are bad and there values are good. If your more concerned with the "Forcing" than the values then wouldn't it be forcing if you told that preacher on the side of the road to stop preaching? Wouldn't it be forcing to stop me from wearing a red tee-shirt on a Sunday? Sure these analogies are not ABDL, but I find them as arbitrary as wearing a red tee-shirt or preaching because of the unwarranted stigma built off of ignorance. ABDL doesn't = Pedophilia and it never will because these are 2 separate concepts. (may make your bank account break though =3) I have seen a lot of weird things both on campus and in "the real world". Doesn't mean I believe people are forcing there life choices down my throat they are simply practicing there right to free expression. In fact, forcing ideas down people's throats and free speech and expression are also separate concepts and In many ways, these two concepts are mutually exclusive. Now if I walk up to you in my little baby getup and tell you to feed me this bottle to me and cuddle me that is me forcing my ideas but if I was walking down the road and you run to my employer to fire me that is you forcing your ideas. By the way, this isn't about acceptance it is about tolerance. I believe it is unusual to lose your job or connections to your family because of a sexual fetish because I think it is unusual for the same thing to happen because you are gay or having a political view society doesn't like, which isn't society supporting anything. My dad doesn't necessarily "support" ABDL and simply tolerates that is me and when I said in a previous post he is "supporting me", that is what I ment. He is looking past my fetish and seeing his son and he understands what ABDL is. I guess you can say society supports free speech then, but I'm biased in that aspect. I would be like "why wouldn't you support free speech"?

I was diagnosed with aspergers autism when I was 5 (back before it was seen as a spectrum) To be honest I don't notice that much of this diagnosis at this point in my life except for the fact I dislike being around poeple since I can be driven nuts being around large crowds and even conversations with close friends can be exhausting. (Anxiety is a bitch) I dont have the best motor functions but nothing I cant overcome. I have actually gotten pretty good at drawing in spite of my motor functions. I also have to manually learn how to communicate with poeple, which sucks but that means I can always learn something new everyday.

I really appreciate everyone's answers so far and I'm learning from them all! I never faced ostrocization for my fetish. Both my mom and dad never treated me any lesser when I typed up what abdl was on a word document and gave it to them in the living room to read. Now that I'm on a college campus I cant imagine if someone saw me chucking my oversized baby print clothes in the washer that they would see me as a pedophile or degenerate (when 1/4 of the poeple here have blue hair and look like hipsters it's hard to be more weird than that) I guess I understand why poeple have to fight through shame and guilt aswell if you weren't surrounded by poeple who support you as a person. Lol it's just diapers and big baby clothes yet some poeple can't accept it.

Edguy: Theater of Salvation

Not to veer off topic but concepts like death were constructed by god. Not just the actions, but the tools needed to create cruelty even the idea was created by god. On a more personal level, I have always wanted to be apart of a spiritual... thing? with people for a while now so I used to turn to Christians because I respect the sociological effect Christianity has on the family (most of it) and I always found the faith wanting due to potholes like this. It sucks because I could never sign on to atheism, but I could never sign on to any faith with so many inconsistencies especially in morality.

To be honest, if we assume god has a plan that micromanages all things and the means to carry out the plan perfectly then the answer is there is no refutation to predestinationalism. I was talking to a christian friend a few hours ago about death and the afterlife and one of the things he said to me is he doesn't have to worry about anything like that. Because of the framework of his faith there isn't any unknowns. I realized after he was referring to the concept of predestination and the tranquility it brings to some Christians. It seems like Predestination is directly built into the faith and refuting it requires refuting the faith (as far as I know i'm not all that good at this). You will need to build a christian framework in which god doesn't have a plan or isn't all knowing, powerful and omnipresent. P.S sorry for not reading the previous posts before I realized alot of the stuff I covered before were already covered in previous posts.

Not sure If I can help you since you said the philosophy of predestination has brought you no joy, but I will try. #1 seems pretty solid. Thought about for a while but I can accept that. #2 can be debatable depending on the type of god (or gods) you spiritually believe in. Some gods are all knowing, all powerful, all influencing, and omnipresent while other could be simple people like you and I. If you believe that you live in a post-scarcity kardishev 2 civilization where every person has to have a mandatory virtual reality experience of a 21st century life so the people don't become spoiled brats then the god is either the system running the simulation or the person for which the simulation is created and everyone but that person is a bunch of NPCs. In this instance, theirs a change our universe doesn't have an all knowing god (although i'm not sure I could have missed something). Its hard to know anything with 100% accuracy if you are not all-knowing #3 That could be a fair assumption to have. Whenever you draw you start with a blank canvas and you have to micromanage each to make a picture. when you write a song its the same thing (sounds more daunting than it really is I know =3), but theres one thing that each creator I have, including myself, understands; Its not 100% perfect and we see the mistakes. If my assumption from #2 has any validity and there are different kinds of gods then some gods will feel the same way making a human mind. Maybe making a brain and it's psychology is far harder than we take for granted for and god is dissatisfied with half the people created (not that these people arn't wrong god just made a mistake) and these people are your assholes, murderers, rapists, psychopaths even mentally disabled. Sure god controlled the natural aspect but its not what was intended. Maybe the creation is a physics framework and the natural aspect of this is mostly random chance based off the framework of the physics. In this instance god could even have indefinite knowledge to create a really in-depth complicated baseline framework for everything and its completely perfect, but since the whole point of the frame is that it grows on its own after a few interventions (like the big bang) and that it is entirely random there isn't a destiny even if god can predict every outcome all the way to the end since he has indefinite knowledge (wouldn't matter that much anyway with this assumption since the only difference between predestination and a random chance universe with a god that knows all the outcomes is the intention. Maybe if god has predicted 5 different results for one event where a choice is made vs god just makes one of the choices out of the 5.) Hell you can assume god has no intentions and the creation is a fart. =3 #4 requires the assumption of an all knowing and all influencing god. Like I said before if god is an average Joe or the universe is built off of random chance then god does't have full control of nature or full knowledge of the creation. Another thing I thought (that could be thrown into #3) is that god has the power to form and destroy the universe but doesn't have the knowledge of all things or even, somehow, forgot they were god when they threw themselves into there own creation as a form of regression for fun (god may have all the power but no knowledge or influence to use it). #5 Looks like this argument needs a few assumptions from the other arguments to work such as the idea of perfect programming or control. I know I rambled on for a while about this, but it looks like the idea of predestination needs a couple assumptions about the god we are talking about or how the universe is structured. A random chance universe may look predestined if you look at the insane odds required for earth to exist in its current form or how I was born in the 21st century from a c-section and then needed surgery to my stomach after being a few months old because a block in my stomach prevented me from eating (I could have easily failed as a person multiple times yet here I am =)). In a random chance universe people who don't know the future only history and the present look back at the past and are aghast at how coincidental some results are and are convinced it is predestination because it seems too good to be true (not saying random chance is the real belief system just an example). I don't know what to say to besides that there is a massive diversity of different spiritual systems you can adapt and even ones you can make up. I believe you can be spiritual without being religious. So this may sound corny; but you can choose to believe you have choice even if, to a predestinationalist, that sounds insane. If I can't convince you out of predestination then I believe you should still act as if you have free will since even if you have a destination, you have to muddle your way through choices in life where you will feel the effect of those choices even if those choices are illusions. I still grown and bitch about writing papers or selecting classes or applying for jobs even if I'm predestined to a certain outcome because I feel the impact of the choice. And if heaven or hell exists I wouldn't worry about that since your predestined to one of those anyway (I can't see how heaven or hell as moral frameworks exist in a universe where there is no room for choice and therefor morality) Just act like a good person and you will be fine =3. Not sure if this helps "refute" the argument (not even sure if this is even rational XD), but if this philosophy is bringing you dread then why not try to find an alternative?

That's actually quite a substantial consequence if you are working with children. I can see why you would want to keep it a secret.

When it comes to feeling gay and feeling little it kinda goes hand-in-hand for me. When I'm wearing diapers and I'm in my baby clothes I almost feel like a spoiled princess (I'm not a sissy but I used to cross-dress =3). The idea of being constantly pampered and doted on (having all my needs instantly met) makes me feel a tad bit feminine.

So its pretty obvious most people here don't want most people in there lives to know about there ABDL fetish (and any other fetish), but what are some of the real consequences of being found out besides simple social rejection? Topic may come off as out of touch, but I have been wrapping my head around this for a few days trying to find some tangible consequences in society (I live in the US so people are more socially tolerant here). Any Ideas?

These questions are awful. Leave it to buzz-feed to create an awful questionnaire. Some only have answers I don't like. "It's your birthday, how do you celebrate?": I don't and it doesn't mean I get sad either. WHY ISN'T THERE AN ANSWER LIKE THAT REEEEEEEEE This questionnaire is definitely not designed for the introvert. Apparently i'm 42%

I've never put much though into being abdl has made me happy up to this point. I guess I dont really care either if it didnt even cross my mind. My wallet would be happier. Spending 100s on printed thick plastic diapers bibs pacifiers and adult sized baby clothes makes for a sad wallet I probably wouldnt know how to draw since the first thing I wanted was to draw abdl stuff since I wasn't 100% satisfied with just looking at other artists content. My music writing has slightly improved when I started making little techno lullabies. Sometimes I can get addicted to abdl (like a porn addiction since it's mostly sexual for me) and I have to pull myself back and tell myself to do things more productive with my life (draw something nonabdl, play a game, watch youtube, ect. Since I dont have a BF and never had anyone I could ever call a mate the sexual urges just get in the way most of the time. No I dont think I'm happier, but I am a more creative person and if I feel like a sexually repressed loner I can just relieve myself using my fetish. BUT there was this one experience just a few days ago where after showering and shaving and cleaning my room up I got myself into my rearz diaper and baby clothes hugging my huge stuffy and got into bed and just felt a peace as I slept. Not sure if that's little space but I felt like I was high soo...

That would be the most boring show in all of television. Legit nothing super interesting happens in my life.

I'm always late to the party I started! Thanks for all the cool comments I learned a lot from each of these posts. Maybe one day when I get out of college I head down to a dom in maryland and give all this stuff a shot. If not anything else just for curiosity =3.

It is not political. The believe that I accept myself for who I am and take pride in it is something internal. It can be made political by political/religious think tanks, governments, activist groups and academics. It is not inherently political.

This is going to be my last post. We are arguing in circles now. Institutions are not people and I never said they were. People make a collective, a tribe, with an ideological alignment that determines there values which shapes the values of the institution. People still influence the institution because they run institutions. Institutions don't exist in a vacuum. Plus the police are composed of multiple tribes as I said before so there are multiple perspectives on how the institution carries out morality (good and bad) Also I did not say police as an institution is worthy of representation, only the idea that police officers should defend citizens and honor the citizens and themselves should be represented. I believe the uniform is a symbol of that idea and more so than the symbol of an institution. Offense is not an oversimplification, because your desire to fight the good fight against generations of oppression is the reason for offense. The life and death war your forebearers fought is the reason for offense. Those things that you hold value, that I hold no value in, justify your offense. Here are some definitions of offence: -annoyance or resentment brought about by a perceived insult to or disregard for oneself or one's standards or principles. -something that outrages the moral or physical senses The reason you have a problem with police or there uniforms at pride is because they are a symbol of your enemy. They symbolize the thing you want to destroy. The thing about symbols is that they can be anything, and mean anything. For some people, there is negative symbolic meaning behind a gay relationship and those people have plenty of reasons to be offended and to wage war against there enemy, which is you. The symbol of a man in diapers and baby clothes playing with baby toys is seen as repulsive because people have spurious reasons to be offended by that, even claiming pedophilia. As long as symbols have subjective meaning and can be selectively chosen as symbols by people, political/religious groups or activist groups, your reasons to despise the police seem very trivial. and finally: I see no value to being offended. there is no value to offense unless you can rationalize an actual crime behind it or use it to build a counter argument. The past is the past, but you shouldn't put that behind you, you should learn from it. I never said to put it behind you I said forgive people. I am not going to wage a cultural/political war against the establishment out of revenge. Nothing is achieved from that but more hatred and resentment on all sides. Finally, what if the people who ran the stonewall Inn didn't want to wage a war either? What if they just wanted gay people to be treated like humans and that is that? It is sad that the police in that time were so callous to there fellow man that they would treat someone like that just for being gay, but you know what? They did that because they were offended at the fact those people were gay. It is the same feeling you feel about police uniforms or police in general. It is the same feeling. There is no real value to offense and no good reason to justify offense as moral judgement.

People make up institutions. If there are good and bad people in the institution, then the institution is neither good nor bad. Its like my rural community. If you were to claim that the police institution is oppressive here, you would be sorely wrong and I would ask what your smoking. Almost ALL of the cops in the town I live in are good. If its Baltimore city or London, I can see why you would think the police are oppressive. There is objective evidence to that argument. I agree with you the police as an institution are corrupt, but not 100% corrupt. It also has to do with the values of the people who live in your area. The place I live is rust belt america (a lot of poor underprivileged working class people without jobs). Even then, there is a basic value system set in place where you respect your neighbors, hold doors for people, show acts of kindness, live with mindfulness, humility, etc. Essentially, the people around me are honorable. That makes an honorable police force. Alot of the city folk that come to the local university that I attend, have little or none of those values. Iv'e been sorely disrespected multiple times by people who have come from the city. One time a lady put her hand in my face and was telling me to move when I wasn't even in her way and wasn't even bothering her. Alot of city folk that come to my university are jerks, and if that is next generation of people going into the workforce in Baltimore (including the police) then I'm not surprised there is problems. Point is, you may see the uniform as oppressive, but that is just your perspective and not objective. There is more to the story than "this institution is oppressive or tolerant". ALL institutions are good and bad. Fix the bad parts and keep the good parts. The officers in my area prove to me that there can be honor in defending the innocent and that is what the police should be. I celebrate the police as an idea, not an institution. I like to think positive, so I don't mind if good LGBTQ cops want to wear there uniforms at pride. After all, I did say that is something to be proud of if you are a helpful, kind and an honorable individual. It is what I want the police to be. I want pride to be pride: pride in who you are despite offended people having a problem with you. If you have legally harmed no one, then you shouldn't be persecuted.

Do you know how to differentiate between a professional and an unprofessional S&D?

I do not celebrate the police as an institution. I know the police are corrupt. I live in maryland: home of Baltimore city. The baltimore city police is one of the most corrupt police departments in the United states. They will frame you for crimes by planting evidence, extort citizens for money, ect. I live in a rural area, so I dont have to experience that thankfully. I dont know about the UK police force, but it does sound pretty dystopian over there. Hell there are poeple who go to jail for tweets in your country so I'm not surprised authoritarian poeple would be driven to join the police force. I agree with you on all of that, but I will never jump to the conclusion that all cops are bad or participate in the corruption and this is what I disagree with you on. Not all cops are good and not all cops are bad. Just because an institution is corrupted doesn't mean all the poeple who are apart of the institution or work in it are bad poeple. This is what I mean when I say stigmatization. And we cant be telling good poeple to not become cops because the institution is corrupted. That is a defeatist mantality because the good poeple can bring change and progress to the institution. We need to spend more time addressing the issues and solving problems instead of banning poeple from our celebrations.

Alot of professions can be stigmatized for spurious reasons, like the systems of oppression reasoning. Art can be stigmatized when you look at all the historical iterations of black face comedy or when comedy makes racist jokes in general. How about anime where all the characters are usually white or white Japanese and alot of black characters tend to be stereotypical? Doesn't mean all comedy or anime is racist or that all art is racist or even the profession, but it can be stigmatized like that when you have a problem with artists and want to label them as something flawed or evil. Also I dont think there is anything wrong with investing your time and energy into the police. Most officers did it because they want to serve there community and do good in this world. Finally, Your profession can be an intrinsic identity if your proud of what you do and enjoy your job. I am majoring in accounting and can say I would lose apart of myself if I were to quit right now. I am proud of the major I'm pursuing and have made it apart of me.

I actually did spent a lot of time looking for professionals in Bondage as well as domms all across Maryland. Problem is; they all look very scary. ? Not sure if I want to put my faith in someone who looks like they would want to just torture me. Do you have any experience in this area?

Cop is an identity because there is a culture to the profession. Just because I can choose to become that identity doesn't mean it isn't one. There is a culture associated with being a police officer, an accountant or a scientist. Being an artist has its own culture as well as a radio presenter. Most people who hold these profession have similar patterns of thinking and can be identified. It may not be an intrinsic identity but still a part of an identity that can be stigmatized and hated because of society around you. Also can you post me a link to this Starbucks case so I can read it myself?

That is not the point. The point is whether or not you want pride to be political or not Once you determine that, then whether or not police should be included within the parade can be answered. I do not think pride should be political, which means I don't believe individual police officers should be excluded from pride because of political issues far greater than them, like police brutality or racial profiling. The individual pieces of the entire group cannot be blamed because there is no guarantee that the individuals themselves are to blame, so why do it? From a nonpolitical standpoint, this is quite a cruel statement, because it implies that gay cops or Lesbian cops or trance cops have to live with a sense of impostor syndrome. Either your not really a cop, or your not really proud of your LGBTQ identity as you sell it down the river. I say impostor syndrome because if this statement was fact, that is exactly how I would feel if I was a cop and also gay. I've delt with impostor syndrome my entire life. None of my family ever graduated high school yet i'm in college making the dean's list every semester. Im autistic, yet also very mindful and aware of other people's emotions. I vote republican, yet im a strong advocate of human rights and a member of the LGBTQ community. I have my own reasons to be all these things and I don't feel like any of them conflict. When society around you tells you that the identities you hold are antithetical to each other or to the things that give you purpose, it is hard to understand who you are as well as where you belong. I've spent my entire life trying to be successful yet the thing I kept missing was acceptance from myself as well as a group I can Identify with. I have felt and still feel like there is an empty gap in my heart that needs to be filled and I want it filled with people who accept me for who I am and respect me because I worked hard to earn it. When I joined daily diapers, I joined because I want to find people who I can identify with because I can't identify with republicans, or the LGBTQ community or the autistic community or whatever community. I was lucky enough to not have an antithesis to ABDL so I could grasp upon it and try to find myself. The point is the loneliness, unworthiness, lack of belonging emptiness Ive felt for such a long time could be felt by those LGBTQ police officers you told off because you have some moral political crusade you want to achieve. I want no one to feel what I've felt. All of that pain for a few political squabbles is why I hate most activism even if its virtuous. Don't eat your own. Now of course if you want pride to be political, then optics is important and attracting the proper people to shape your ideology. Cops are not what you want because you don't want the optics of looking like a movement that is complacent with police brutality, racial profiling, or defending bigots. In politics there are only groups and parties and the individuals don't matter so you need not concern yourself with the outward societal harm of the aggregate suffering of every individual you alienate. Politics is simply a war on partisanship and who has more power. If you can strip the political power of your enemies and sway the political masses you can win over the hearts and minds of people. Problem is; the minds of the poeple today are having trouble differentiating between a political action and a moral action (morality and politics are morphing because social media has broken the grip of filtered information caused my news giants), meaning the optics of socially alienating large swathes of individuals is going to come back to bite you. Political movements are becoming more puritanical and extreme while the center collapses, much like it did in weimer Germany before the Nazis took over, but unlike then, the internet will not let any political partisans get away with sacrificing morality, ethics, and people for a sense of greater good. In many ways, the unfettered free market of ideas that is the internet will not let any movement become too extreme. So it is still good to have police at the pride parade because it will harm the LGBTQ movement politically if you remain in a puritanical state of partisanship and not back down on this issue. Like I said before, it may offend you to see officers in uniforms on your day to celebrate your pride and remind you of brutal history, but the individual cops having a good time and celebrating with you, for whatever reason, will feel included and apart of something greater and we as a community would have let that happen. It is a kindness and will look good. When I refer to cops, I'm referring to cops with LGBTQ identity. People who are proud to serve there community and be queer. Of course you still need cops doing there jobs to direct traffic or guard the parade whether or not you think that is nescessary Sometimes you just have to forgive for the sins of the past and focus on the future. I forgive society for throwing the autistic in asylums because little jimmy couldn't stop flapping his hands when he had a little anxiety. I forgive society for thinking I was an pedophile because an evangelical church told people that is what gay people like me are like. Society learns from the past and usually progresses forward in a positive direction and a quote from a video game I used to play sums this all up "If we were judged for what we did in the past, I don't think anyone would know who we are". Ok i'm done rambling. Whatever anyone takes from this know I only want people to hate each other less and love each other more.

Do you want pride to be political?

I think my family would be devastated to see me in such a bind. My family loves me very dearly and would not resort to that even for a gag. I would say they wouldn't do it in the first place since the image of the youngest son in the family in a straitjacket and diaper would disturb them. On another note: what does S&M stand for?