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12 months is there any quicker options

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How long this takes varies a lot, but very few have had success in less than 12 months, and I know of none who succeeded in less than 6-8 months :( You have to realize that you are changing a deeply-ingrained life-long habit which is not easy to do, and indeed is not always achievable for everyone :whistling: The only faster way only emulates Incontinence- catheters or stents- and they have their own group of problems :rolleyes: Besides, this is not something to take lightly as once you achieve incontinence it may not be reversible so taking a year to go here is actually a good idea so that you will experience the pitfalls enough to know for sure that this is right for you ;)

 

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How long this takes varies a lot, but very few have had success in less than 12 months, and I know of none who succeeded in less than 6-8 months :( You have to realize that you are changing a deeply-ingrained life-long habit which is not easy to do, and indeed is not always achievable for everyone :whistling: The only faster way only emulates Incontinence- catheters or stents- and they have their own group of problems :rolleyes: Besides, this is not something to take lightly as once you achieve incontinence it may not be reversible so taking a year to go here is actually a good idea so that you will experience the pitfalls enough to know for sure that this is right for you ;)

 

Bettypooh

 

I agree, you probably don't want it to take a short amount of time to obtain incontinence because the end result could be a shocking/undesirable effect. It will give you a good amount of time to know if this is really the path you want to take and because it takes so long, you will most likely in that time have to do things that perhaps you hadn't thought of like: visiting family in another state/country, going on a vacation, business meeting or staying late, going to an event/concert, staying over a friends/relatives house, etc all while being diapered. 

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But what if u want 50-50 control

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For 50/50 control, this could be hard. I actually think this can be harder than either wearing once in awhile or wearing 24/7 because you will either start traveling forward or backward in becoming incontinent. You will have to hold it some times in order to have a once in a blue moon accident but otherwise being able to void when willing. That means holding it certain times and other times not so much. I haven't done enough research on this but you could end up with accidents when not wearing or wetting at night (over a very long period of doing this). Perhaps someone with more knowledge could give some advice.

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Any suggestions for a vibrating alarm clock for the wrist to use at night - the vibrating has to be strong enough to wake a heavy sleeper.

My intention is to use the vibrating alarm to wake up during the night and wet, that way not letting my bladder expand – and subsequently get into the routine of bed wetting in the end.

I have looked at some of the alarm watches on this site.

http://www.hearmore.com/store/prodView.asp?idproduct=904&idstore=6&product=Vibralite-3--Blue-with-Blue-Velcro--R--Brand-Fasteners-Band

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I will say this... I don't get them. I ordered one and it vibrated... unfortunately it vibrated so vigorously that it woke my wife too. They are great if you live alone, but if you are sharing a bed with someone then you might as well just use a regular alarm.

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Everyone is different, my wife doesn't wake up to her own alarm no matter how loud it is, but if I so much as nudge her, she wakes up.

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Use sleepphones combined with any type of smart phone alarm.

Think head band/sweat band with head phones. Can be very loud or a whisper. Can sleep in any position. Will not disturb anyone else in room.

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Awsome work - period!

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I have started and stopped this program several times but hope this time it sticks. QUESTION: I have trouble wetting at night mainly because for some reason when im asleep and I need to go I get "excited" down there and it keeps me from going. It seems like its my bodys way of holding it in. Does anyone else have this problem or figured out how to deal with it? Sometimes its actually painful and I wake in the middle of the night.   Thanks

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 @ Jswill - that doesn't happen to me, but i would try to think of something.... unpleasent if you get my drift. other than that you could try to relax like your meditating or something similar. unfortunatly that's all i can think of to help you.

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Have you tried "taking care of business" before going to sleep?  It might make your body a little less inclined to get excited just a few hours later.

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Its not an actual excitement thing as much is it is the body using that to keep me from wetting myself at night I think. Thanks to some others help on this board I figured it out. I use an alarm to wake up at 3am let it happen and then go back to sleep. Problem solved, and no morning embarrasment or flood either!

 

NEW QUESTION: would working out mess up the untraining process? I.E. ab workouts and such. I want to be healthy but I dont want to mess up my progress either. 

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Question for the more experienced / Those who have accomplished the goal of becoming permanent incontinent.

 

Why is it important to stay well hydrated to the point of being over hydrated. is it because:

 

1. Getting used to wet anytime / anywhere

 

2. Train relaxing techniques and wetting in all positions?

 

3. Reduce bladder capacity over time, due to the bladder getting filled much quicker thereby wetting in smaller volumes because you sense the need to  empty a lot quicker than you originally would if the bladder would be filled at a more normal rate due to a more normal fluid intake.

 

 

it would be great if someone could elaborate…..why hydration is important.

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I think it goes to the 12 month guide's description of balancing. Training the body to expel as one drinks.

That being said I think it is for all three of the reasons you list without special preference to any of them. All are needed and hydration is the only way to accomplish them.

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Question for the more experienced / Those who have accomplished the goal of becoming permanent incontinent.

 

Why is it important to stay well hydrated to the point of being over hydrated. is it because:

 

1. Getting used to wet anytime / anywhere

 

2. Train relaxing techniques and wetting in all positions?

 

3. Reduce bladder capacity over time, due to the bladder getting filled much quicker thereby wetting in smaller volumes because you sense the need to  empty a lot quicker than you originally would if the bladder would be filled at a more normal rate due to a more normal fluid intake.

 

 

it would be great if someone could elaborate…..why hydration is important.

 

Staying hydrated is always important but you never want to over hydrate though. The old rule of thumb would be taking in the recommended 64oz of water per day. Since 2004 though that amount has gone up more like 100oz, but also depends on your body weight. Overhydrated would be taking that much in just a couple of hours. Normally this means you'll be taking in enough water so that your pee is only a light yellow or mostly clear.

 

You will want this so that you're pee is less concentrated. That means you'll have less ammonia and less of a smell in your diaper. It will also mean having to change more often (closer to every 6 hours when hydrated and using premium diapers) The constant peeing will also flush your urethra more which will lessen your chances of getting a UTI. And yes, it will also get you used to wetting more and in any position. However, drinking more will not reduce your bladder capacity- even if you're peeing more. Only getting used to peeing to the point of not filling up your bladder will do that.

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I am not sure I agree. My brief experience lately has led me to believe my bladder capacity is shrinking in that my voids are not the mega voids every 3-4 hours. Now my voids are what I would call a normal person as my diaper can now handle 4-5 wettings easily whereas before I was lasting perhaps 1-2 wettings. My diapering has improved some, but that does make up for the increased ability to cope, smaller wettings does. 

 

I am easily taking in more than 100 oz in a few hours, but I am also peeing it out quickly too. The danger, from what I read is if it stays in you. My danger is that I have not been replacing the electrolytes that have been flushed out with the peeing. At this beginning stage I think one HAS to drink almost that much to force the issue of wetting, comfort and relaxation :)

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I am not sure I agree. My brief experience lately has led me to believe my bladder capacity is shrinking in that my voids are not the mega voids every 3-4 hours. Now my voids are what I would call a normal person as my diaper can now handle 4-5 wettings easily whereas before I was lasting perhaps 1-2 wettings. My diapering has improved some, but that does make up for the increased ability to cope, smaller wettings does. 

 

I am easily taking in more than 100 oz in a few hours, but I am also peeing it out quickly too. The danger, from what I read is if it stays in you. My danger is that I have not been replacing the electrolytes that have been flushed out with the peeing. At this beginning stage I think one HAS to drink almost that much to force the issue of wetting, comfort and relaxation :)

 

Your bladder may very well be shrinking. I'd guess that since you really are taking in that much but it has forced you to get more comfortable wetting, and more comfortable doing it more often. Since you've gotten used to constantly flushing your bladder it doesn't need to fill up as much for you to get the same feeling of needing to go- thereby shrinking it. The constant practice is probably the reason why you're better at changing now too.

 

The danger you are facing isn't just loosing your electrolytes by peeing the water out so quickly. You are also wearing out your kidneys by running them at 100% all the time. Even your heart can't run at 100%, you need to give them a break by backing off the water intake a little. Keep drinking the electrolytes too though, even at half that intake you'll still need it.

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it would be great if someone could elaborate…..why hydration is important.

 

For me, the most obvious sign that I'm succeeding in keeping things relaxed is the frequent small wettings.  If I'm not hydrated I don't have to pee much - at least until overnight :-( 

 

A secondary advantage is the lack of rashes, etc., even during long-term wearing.  I suspect that keeping the pee diluted helps there.

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I was wondering whether natural diuretics (waterpills) like XPEL, can help in speeding up things in terms of training the bladder to release frequently?

Only in the short term. The water pills help get rid of excess water in your system which makes you go pee a lot at first. Eventually though you wont have any more built up so you'll go back To peeing normally again regardless if you keep taking the pills.

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In my experience- In the first 6-9 months of training, very helpful  when pushing fluids, to keep balance. It makes sure what you take it- goes out- and avoids bloating/retention

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Ok I have a sensitive question related to the 247 program here. Since you are trying to relax the muscles down there does that mean during untraining you should refrain from sexual activity? Since wouldn't that strenghten those muscles?

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I am now incontinent. I did it by choice over about 3 years of wearing full time and keeping relaxed. I have a great girlfriend who loves to be babied by me and calls me daddy. I love it so much. I do feel the conflict sometimes of being a diapered daddy but I just turn around and think.... who the hell made the rules?

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