Inconito

I can relate to hypnosis being overrated and in itself won't provide miracles. At best they can help you get your mindset in the right direction. But from my experience in my endeavour in unpotty training, and note I have been on this journey, for more than five years. True I have come a long way, and have achieved some objectives, just not all of them, like bedwetting for instance. Daytime wetting here I have achieved approx 70% success, because here it's more the conscious mind, which decides. Ok. I have introduced a sort of timed voiding mechanism. Once every hour I must wet myself, also if I sense my diaper is near capacity. I may have wet in larger volumes...It happens still. However for me, the holy grail has always been genuine bedwetting. As that alone in my mind would signal me, that I truly need diapers. Dwelling on bedwetting, to me regressing back to nightly bedwetting means I have succeeded in convincing my subconscious mind, that wetting in my sleep is perfectly ok, in fact it's a desired action, and something that must happen every night. So far, it has only happened a handful of times, hence I have Not been successful, and / or my subconscious mind rejects the thought of bedwetting being a positive thing. Here I suppose conditioning takes over, meaning doing things over and over again, creates a new habit. Going back to bedwetting, conditioning here means one must pee while they are in bed, regardless of being diapered or not. Maybe listening to affirmations together with conditioning may speed things up. I known of at least one person who untrained successfully, and is now a genuine bedwetter. Here it was positive affirmations and conditioning. If the subconscious mind, is not aligned with your wishes, no matter what you do, it won't happen.

Where do you get the silastic catheters in Europe?

Where do you get the bard silastic catheters in Europe. I have Not been able to placate them.

One thing I do struggle with, and which is hardly ever mentioned when the conversation is about wearing a catheter. Nocturnal erections. For me, they do wake me up, it's rather painful, because I'm "a grower" not a shower.... so the penis grows along the tube, which obviously is dry. So just now, I did see Minot bleeding from the tip of the penis.

Tanks for the advices. I do keep things clean, washing several times a day. I hardly ever have leakage outside the catheter. The diaper remains dry, more or less. Having the diaper on is literally a safety thing. Today I was walking the dog, had a pair of underwear on top of my diaper, and the bag lying in my underwear, guess what, the outlet valve opened, and my pants got soaked.....As well as one shoe.

small update. I decided this time to start a log on my catheter use. Put in a catheter Sept. 9th. a size FR18, big I know, but I have debris in my bladder which previously has meant frequent blockages and having to stop using catheters. As a matter of fact, the guides for catheter use, also says, that if debris is found in the bladder, a size 18FR should be the choice of size. Anyway I had to changed catheter Sept. 15th. because in the beginning I wanted to play safe. However I made an error, I should have clamped the old catheter before removing it, so I would have had some urine in my bladder. Because when I put in the new one, I think I hit the bladder wall, and I had very frequent bladder spasms for the rest of the day, in fact to frequent and heavy, that I had to take the cath out, sometime during the night. Monday 16th. I spent the day without a catheter, and in the evening I inserted a new cath, this time a FR16, this one remained inserted until Tuesday night or Wednedsday morning, can't remember exactly. But was taken out, because I thought it was blocked, urine was not flowing as it should, but came in large gushes, like 150-200ml. by looking at the bag. Another day or two when by without wearing a catheter, and on Thursday evening th 19th. I again inserted a new catheter, this time a FR18. This has remained in SITU since. In regard to other complications like UTI and such, I have not experienced any, I take a dose of D-mannose and Cranberry pills 3x day. At night time, I open the drainage port in my urine bag, and let it flow out. Wash a couple of times a day, down there. during daytime I use a leg holder for my urine bag, when at home, I just carry the bag in my diaper. Clothing, usually I wear dress pants, which are not tight, and whith these pants, I can actually carry my urine bag in a thin diaper, however when wearing jeans I must use the leg holder, because jeans seems to constrict the flow from my bladder. Final comments about using catheters. I have to say. Using catheters is not a walk in the park. One must always be aware of the situation about drainage, for instance I always have a small scissor with me, should an emergency situation come, where I have to remove the catheter due to a blockage and such. Health is more important. Cleanliness, I have become fanatic about washing hands, not touching doorhandles to public / office toilets. Clothing, well no changes here. Wellbeing, I do feel the cahteter frequently, I tend to belive I feel the tip of the catheter pooking my bladder wall sometimes, and also when standing up / emptying the urinebag, I sort of feel a surge in my bladder, as trapped urine all the sudden flows out. I must admit, it's a strange feeling, it's like a vakuum in my bladder. Bladder spasms, are not overly strong in general, nor frequent, in general, except on the beforementioned Sunday. But I do have mild bladder spasms, sometimes. I do hope, that the experience I have had so far, will help me on my further journey, so that I can keep my bladder drained all the time, without having to take days off, as these days off, are counterprodutive in my objective of reducing bladder capacity, indefinately. Maybe, the coping period is just longer than I expected, and later on my bladder has gotten accumstomed to be empty all the time. Only time can tell.

Hope everything will be fine. And you'll soon be ready to accompany me.

Could you share more in dept information about this a link to the article?. In particular I'm intersted in the reversible versus irreversible bladder shrinkage which comes from catheter use and free drainage

Actually there are mixed opinions in scientific articles. At least they are doing no harm. Let's keep in touch? I also plan on being cathed for a very long time. What I like most, is I don't feel my bladder at all. I empty the bag every hour to two hours. Currently waiting for a bag holder for the calf, got one for the leg But Not kept slipping down. So right now I'm wearing the bag in by diaper. I still need to wear some sort of padding, to catch the small leaks around the catheter. Even with a 18fr I still have minor leakage around the catheter.... My experience in regard to sizing, now it bigger is better, as it's easier for any debris in the bladder to exit, rather than clogging, which I experienced the last time.

I'm trying again to go the catheter route to become incontinent. So far I'm on my forth day, and so far no problems. The catheter I've inserted is a fr18 silastic foley catheter draining into a closed urinebag. No signs of UTI, maybe because I'm taking a daily dose of d mannose, and cranberry pills, plus making sure to drink more, than normal to flush the catheter. The testimonials say, that bladder shrinkage becomes irreversible after approx 6 months, others mention decades before it becomes permanent, some say the bladder will return to normal again, when the catheter is finally out, and despite now having a smaller bladder, that it will slowly resume old practice, and expand to accommodate more storage. So what are people's experiences using catheters to become incontinent? Is incontinence permanent, or only for a brief period, when the bladder has shrunk and maybe the sphincters from being held open from the catheter for a long time?

Most plastic pants don't last more than a few months, before the welding give up, and you have holes. Anyone who can recommend and knows where to buy thick and durable plastic pants within europe (7 mil or 6 mil, thickness)

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Could not have said it any better myself. The feeling of my wet and swollen heavy diaper. Being free to wet myself, no matter the situation, not having or exercising control of such a basic function is mind blowing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have the bag in front as well. But the drain is at the bottom, otherwise it would fill up from bottom to top, meaning there will be backflow due to gravity? Well ordered a holster for the leg bag, so in the daytime, the bag will be placed lower.

Bag is not disconnected at all. But I hear you clearly. Been cathed for since Monday, longest time ever without any discomfort, I don't even feel the Cath is in, which to me is a bit surprising. What I understand from your reply is, that bladder shrinkage regardless of time, is reversible? As I mention, I plan on being catherized for at least 6 months, I don't want a hopefully small bladder to reverse itself, to it's former size, and basically start all over. Even when having the Cath in, it's natural for me to stay completely relaxed, which is weird. Because I don't feel anything in my bladder, at all, which makes sense since its being drained non stop.

OK. Time for another update, and update, I didn't believe I would make. No, I have not become incontinent, not yet. Unfortunately. However I have mentioned in several of my replies, about my bad experiences using catheters as a "fast track" to incontinence. Well, Monday I gave it another shot, only this time, I planned ahead, should it happen, that an UTI would materialize itself, again, I ordered some antibiotics for just in case.... From my previous attempts to use a Foley catheter to achieve incontinence, I experienced incredible strong bladder spasms, clogging of the catheter, and an UTI to top it all. Which was why I abandoned catheters. Why did I then chose to try again, now I wrote I finally began seeing moderate progress following the "natural,safe approach"? simply because I began noticing, I was backsliding again, output volume increased and so forth. So I decided enough is enough, I have been working on becoming incontinent for five years, and counting wearing diapers 24/7 during the whole period..and still far from my goal. Simply because of the duration, I honestly think I have both tried and know, my bits about being incontinent, the hassle, but also the good things. So. As said, I have had the catheter in place since Monday, this week, so only three days and counting, it has been incredible comfortable, I don't feel it (it's a FR 16, and silicone cath), I have attached it to a drainage bag, in order to keep everything sterile, the bag has not been off, Monday will I change the bag to a new one. I plan on keeping the catheter in for 3-4 weeks, unless it gets clogged, and needs to be changed. Bag will be replaced every week. During night time, I'll leave the valve open in the drainage bag, and let it empty in my diaper. Not entirely a closed loop, but almost. So far, no signs of anything, knock on woods.... It feels great not feeling anything in my bladder, no sudden urges, nothing. I remember reading a lot about people using catheters as a way to become incontinent, one mentioned after six months of constant drainage, their bladder was the size of a walnut /golfball, and they experienced constant leakage, but I haven't been able to find these sources again. Missy here have been a great inspiration to me, However I hope to gain more info from other people who also used catheters to become incontinent, some questions are: what's your experience using catheters to become incontinent? how long did it take for you before, you realized your in fact where incontinent? when you took out the last catheter after XYZ months, did you notice you began slowly sliding back towards continence, again, because all the sudden your bladder had to work again? Does constant draining of the bladder for XYZ months really shrink your bladder? Is the shrinking of the bladder reversible, or irreversibel, when the shrinking has been done through constant drainage with the help of a Foley catheter? How does your bladder behave now? Have been catherized for long-term had any impact on your urinary sphincters, did they become stronger, weaker? How about the detrusor muscle, any changes in the behavior, and have it continued to change afterwards? Well, in approx six months time I hope I can answer these questions myself, but just out of curiosity....

I have decided to use some of the techniques described here. I do not intend to clench my sphincter, rather I want to induce a new behaviour, teaching my detrusor muscle to contract even when my bladder isn't holding much. Besides that just do what I do already, never clench my sphincter. My theory is, that I'm strengthening my detrusor muscle by massaging it frequent, thereby it will win over my sphincter muscle, and genuine urge incontinence has been achieved.

Great post. It clearly gives me a direction. I don't want to exercise muscle control, instead I'll use the technique on how to stimulate the bladder to contract, to Make sure I'm not retaining urine in my bladder, thereby unintentionally increasing bladder capacity. I have from the first day, in my own quest for incontinence training, been training my bladder to decrease capacity. My reason for that was and still is, when my bladder capacity goes down frequency will automatically go up, given the input remains the same. No surprises here. When capacity goes down, and eventually remains low, the frequency in which i need to empty my bladder will increase, and it will manifest itself, eventually. This approach should result in a interrupted nights sleep, as I have to get up and pee. A result of having less capacity. Which again with a longer perspective, should mean, that I'm ready to take on the next challenge, becoming a bedwetter. When the circle is closed, incontinence has manifested itself. And the-point of no return, long passed.

I dont think we will see a surge in taxes etc. When the brits are leaving EU. No one benefits from that approach. Yea the mongoles in the EU are making a lot of threats currently, because they fear that brexit, is only a start, and other countries will follow suit. But in the medium to long term, we will see a normalization of the trade between England and continental Europe.

It is a strange discussion. I compare the situation with this analogy. "You cannot have what I have, because I didn't want to have it, and so shouldn't you. Because I want to decide for you." Well, get off your high horse. You have my sympathy, that's it. But you will not in any way be able to deny me, what I want. And I want to be incontinent, like you. You were either born with this, or got it later in life though whatever. I also got it in later life though whatever. Only difference is, I don't dislike wetting myself, like you do. However if we join together I can help you, just as you can help me. for instance, By increasing the market demand for better diapers, or providing valuable advises like Mark does. Why the fuss?

Looks like a way to establish an overactive bladder situation ?

What's the most effective. Laying down, or standing up?

Just now. Had a mug of coffee, and felt the need to poop. Slight push and it filled the seat of my diaper.

Once when I was five or six years old, walking with a friend of mine, at the beach, she was a few years older than me. I remember I had to go badly, and she just said, go in your pants. Never knew if she meant it as a joke or not. But I completely filled my undies, and had to walk home with it. I think that experience contributed to my desire to be back in diapers again, and needing them.

@Mark I feel the exact Same thing. When I first started out wanting to become incontinent. I trusted I would be there in a couple of years, reading the 12month guide, doing most of the things / following the instructions. Reading about other people's stories, how they by doing various things became incontinent and diaper dependent. I wanted to be one of them. Now, five years after I'm way more realistic about the reality of this. Am I dependent, am I incontinent? I don't know. A big part of me thinks, no. Not even close. But being diapered 24/7 has become the new norm for me, and I'll never be out of diapers for the rest of my life, no matter what, even if I don't need them, physically. Mentally I do need them. I have noticed changes still, I no longer flood, my capacity is down, but I believe if I wanted to, I would have full control and capacity would go up again. But I don't want that to happen. Mark, hang in there!