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Added 2 links about ABDL History in my OP page that go back before the internet. I would like to get information on INFANTAE PRESS; the 1980's ABDL publications like TALES FROM THE CRIB and one other. Check the ABDL History OP page because that is where I put links I find to keep the thread compact. The section is made so that where each puts their fist post is their own since it can be edited, other links can be added and you can personalize the page with an image at the top to mark it as yours if you like

For those who wish to know, my next Knowledge Base project will be a list of fetish friendly resorts. This stems from something that happend a decade ago. I proposed that someone put of a list of resorts where ABDL's could have things like themed weekinds such as GirlTalk To di with Rainbow Resorts. I was told to leave that to FetLife. Now I do not know aobut you, but to me, letting a BDSM do better than us in our own baileywick is downright untenable and insulting; an effront to our status as the ABDL Gold Standard; the DPF of the 21st century. Just as I got the sissy links, baby powder shootout and LG material into one index, I mean to do the same with a comprhensive list of places where ABDL's can "come as you are" for things like themed weekends

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10 hours ago, Little BabyDoll Christine said:

A few years back, someone posted 3 or 4 links to videos with interviews about the early days of ABDL.

There are a few old talkshow episodes on Youtube with ABDL people, I think from the 90's. These are easy to find, so probably you are looking for something else. Also there was an old DPF video about a meeting event, but now I can't find it.

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I was there, looking for a specific one, with Dr. Dean Edell and, I think, Tommy. I did not find it and what I saw looked to be more on the salacious side than informative so I did not bother. I did not find the Edell episode. He discussed the matter without being prurient

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I brabbed up the DPF retrospective video in case it vanishes and would love to put it here at DD. I was thinking of listing the channel in my links list but found the name "diaperperve" too off-putting because it reeks of salacious clickbait. The video, however, is very good and recommended for its historical value, which is why I grabbed it

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I learned that there was an ABDL community back in 1986 or so when I got a CompuServe account.   In there Human Sexuality forums, they had a AB section.   Tommy from DPF would participate there, but I didn't subscribe to DPF then.  I was writing stories at that point.

Then we got the USENET and alt.sex.fetish.diapers.   I created an account at a local ISP under a pseudonym, but since I knew the guys running the ISP, they knew who was really associated with the account.   Turns out one of the principals was also into the AB scene and he noticed my posts.

 

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Given what I was able to find, so much of which was on Google search pages to the point that it would have been a chore to take them out and list/link themseparatel, and much of it being from here. I would say that the ABDL History entry to the Knowledge Base is quite good. If I did take them off the search page and link to them directly (which I may yet do), I would have at least 10 - 12 links. So this project is a sucess but still feel free to add to it as you can with any category in the Knowledge Base, or even create a category and inform me. If it is significant then I will put a link to that thread and we can follow the KB format of one post per person, which will be added to by edition

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On 9/14/2024 at 9:49 AM, Crinklz Kat said:

Nobody's mentioned "USENET"....

Huh?

On 9/13/2024 at 1:46 PM, oznl said:

 could telnet through to another university that carried a decent “Usenet” feed (a kind of text based bulletin board) and found alt.sex.fetish.diapers

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@boogles was definitely around and I can recall chatting with him but I think we were using some kind of IRC platform at the time.  I think by that stage I had "at home" internet access by one of the very early Australia dial-up providers.  I can recall that the charging methodology was 1c per kilobyte which on ASCII-based command line tools, went quite some way.

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17 minutes ago, oznl said:

Huh?

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@boogles was definitely around and I can recall chatting with him but I think we were using some kind of IRC platform at the time.  I think by that stage I had "at home" internet access by one of the very early Australia dial-up providers.  I can recall that the charging methodology was 1c per kilobyte which on ASCII-based command line tools, went quite some way.

Missed that post.

That "IRC" -- BITNET Relay.     The old joke... "Because It's There Net".

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I had no idea about it other than I liked wearing them. When I left home and moved somewhere bigger, it was 2000/2001 and online ordering had just become a thing. I ordered 14 Molicare Maxi and it was heaven! It took me years later to even think there was a community.  

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i learned about ebay end of 99, they did not have a lot sellers. after looking for about 6 months and waching i seen the 90's attends being sold by two people.  my small town drug store had one half of the store nothing but diapers they was the supplyer for the old folks homes and the mental hospital. finding time to go to the drug store when it was not busy, i was and compairing what was selling and what was not. got the curage up to buy my first pack of diapers and to sell them.

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On 9/14/2024 at 1:49 AM, Crinklz Kat said:

Nobody's mentioned "USENET".... I discovered "alt.sex.fetish.diapers" and "alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.diapers" back in the 90s and that was my first exposure to this world.   USENET was 100% text and globally distributed.  So downloading pictures wasn't clicking on a link.  You had to download the text embedded in the message (actually multiple messages), reassemble the raw text, and then run it through a decode program to reconstruct the binary image (back then .GIF was the only format viable for internet distribution).   I still have dozens of pictures I had downloaded from USENET.

As far as early sites, the one I frequented before finding this site was WetSet.net.  Then it went to a pay format and only the legacy stuff was left open to the public. 

In the 80's, I was working in a research lab when Internet finally (!) came in the campus in 1986. 

I was already a Unix fan (remember BSD distribution? The first open source Unix!) and downloaded Usenet Usegroups... What a surprise when I discovered alt.sex.fetish.diapers!!! I even had a chance to exchange emails with students in universities. So if you were one of them, I'm still alive!

What a fantastic discovery! I wasn't alone anymore and could talk with someone else. At that time (near 40 years ago), my english was minimal!!! Then very quickly after, http started, the Mosaïc browser became available (thanks to NCSA) under X11R3 (for the geeks) and the first web pages appeared... It was probably around 1988...  Long before Netscape!

Waow, I feel like a (baby) dinosaur...

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Pre-Internet, I learned I wasn’t the only one in the whole world from a medical school library.  There were a few write up of diaper fetishism in psychiatric journals.  I was also aware of the publication, Diaper Pail Friends, possibly through these scholarly writings again.

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On 10/8/2024 at 7:22 AM, tabacrate said:

 

I was already a Unix fan (remember BSD distribution? The first open source Unix!) and downloaded Usenet Usegroups... What a surprise when I discovered alt.sex.fetish.diapers!!! I even had a chance to exchange emails with students in universities. So if you were one of them, I'm still alive!

 

I go back to 1977 on UNIX, but you are wrong.   The BSD distributions were not "open source" because they still were restrictively licensed by AT&T and only could go to others who have the source license.    FreeBSD was a implementation of the BSD system to be open source done 15 years or so after BSD got started.

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11 hours ago, willnotwill said:

I go back to 1977 on UNIX, but you are wrong.   The BSD distributions were not "open source" because they still were restrictively licensed by AT&T and only could go to others who have the source license.    FreeBSD was a implementation of the BSD system to be open source done 15 years or so after BSD got started.

@willnotwill: While I recall BSD Unix wasn't completely free back then, I believe the AT&T license was System 5 (V), not BSD.  The BSD flavor came out of  Berkley (CA, US), instead of Bell Labs on the east coast.

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BSD means Berkeley Software Distribution. Also there was a not related company with a quite similar name, Berkeley Softworks, which is famous for the Geos graphical OS on the Commodore 64.

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Western Electric and later AT&T licensed the source code to a succession of UNIXes:  Version 6, 7, 32V, Programmers Workbench (1 and 2), System 3, System V, etc...     The University of California at Berkeley used that source code to generate the 2BSD (for PDP-11s) and the 3 and 4 BSD (for Vaxes and later).   Notably, the BSD version of the kernel actually used the paging hardware of the VAX where the early AT&T releases just swapped like they did on the PDP-11.

So yes, while many Universities and Government agencies had access to the UNIX source code and to the modified versions from Berkeley, the University or Toronto, UIUC, US Army BRL, etc.... it was hardly open source.   It was still all rolled up under the ATT source license.

OpenBSD and FreeBSD were outgrowths of the Berkeley stuff trying to replace the AT&T trade secrets with stuff that could be open sourceable.     These were not officially "Berkeley Software Distributions."   They were done outside of the university, but much of the code that wasn't AT&T derived still bears the "Property of the Regents of the University of California" markings.

Believe me, I did a bunch of UNIX work from 1977 on including some complete ports of the operating system.    I'm not going into further details so as to not tip my identity.    Suffice it to say, that you'll find my real name in various UNIX documentation if you googled it.

 

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15 hours ago, willnotwill said:

Western Electric and later AT&T licensed the source code to a succession of UNIXes:  Version 6, 7, 32V, Programmers Workbench (1 and 2), System 3, System V, etc...     The University of California at Berkeley used that source code to generate the 2BSD (for PDP-11s) and the 3 and 4 BSD (for Vaxes and later).   Notably, the BSD version of the kernel actually used the paging hardware of the VAX where the early AT&T releases just swapped like they did on the PDP-11.

So yes, while many Universities and Government agencies had access to the UNIX source code and to the modified versions from Berkeley, the University or Toronto, UIUC, US Army BRL, etc.... it was hardly open source.   It was still all rolled up under the ATT source license.

OpenBSD and FreeBSD were outgrowths of the Berkeley stuff trying to replace the AT&T trade secrets with stuff that could be open sourceable.     These were not officially "Berkeley Software Distributions."   They were done outside of the university, but much of the code that wasn't AT&T derived still bears the "Property of the Regents of the University of California" markings.

Believe me, I did a bunch of UNIX work from 1977 on including some complete ports of the operating system.    I'm not going into further details so as to not tip my identity.    Suffice it to say, that you'll find my real name in various UNIX documentation if you googled it.

 

@willnotwill: Thanks for the additional details. I'm not up on that part of the origins of BSD Unix.  Just know BSD and System V flavors had some (major) differences.  I pick up my contact with BSD Unix just a little later than you, starting where the comp sci lab had a VAX 11/780 running VMS part of the time and BSD at other times.....  I was using it while it was running VMS (and successfully (not planned) crashing the OS).  I remember having to get done in the lab so the VAX could be back up on BSD so it could accept the UUCP call for scheduled e-mail delivery.  I'm sure you would know what I mean by mail maps and bang paths for e-mail back then.....  I'm not going further with an example as that would peg down my undergraduate school and if listing account, me....  Looks like we have some similar interests, and probably some overlap in education / work experience.  However I wasn't involved with the BSD code.....

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On 9/19/2024 at 4:08 PM, oznl said:

Huh?

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@boogles was definitely around and I can recall chatting with him but I think we were using some kind of IRC platform at the time.  I think by that stage I had "at home" internet access by one of the very early Australia dial-up providers.  I can recall that the charging methodology was 1c per kilobyte which on ASCII-based command line tools, went quite some way.

I'm still around.  Did you use this same nick?  I don't recall chatting.  I do follow your postings here.  I'm jealous of your progress in bedwetting.

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42 minutes ago, boogles said:

I'm still around.  Did you use this same nick?  I don't recall chatting.  I do follow your postings here.  I'm jealous of your progress in bedwetting.

It *might* have been the same nick but honestly, I can't recall.  I do remember that you'd just finished writing your dissertation at the time if that puts a date on it.

Bedwetting only happens when I don't look at it.  I'm not sure if this is "progress" but the distraction of moving house is an excellent way of not looking at it.  Recently, I've no idea what is happening overnight but I've been wet every morning.  It's possible I'm waking to "go" but I just can't remember.

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