'Adult Baby Life Dynamics' And 'Ab Parents' Seminars

[BriGuy]

I have a career, run a business, and I'm out and about. You're comparing what I do in public with murder??? Haha. Mmmkay.

I guess it's hard for those with no REAL life experience with being out and about to understand what ACTUALLY occurs.

Seriously though, thanks for the laugh.

And Rosalie don't get so Bent! LoL

[BriGuy]

Someone doesn't seem nearly accepting as she claims to be.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[Guest *~Andi~*]

The main issue with your posts is not where your data comes from or whether it is researched or whatever. Once again, you missed my part where I stated in my personal opinion, which Im entitled to, as are everyone else, and you. The main issue comes down to how you reply to a lot of posts ppl make. If you put work out for ppl to read then you better well and be sure ppl are going to tear it apart for fallacies. Its not right of you to retort in such ways for peoples opinions. You wrote the stuff. You have to deal with what comes of it, be it positive or negative. Alot of what Ive read on here, coming from you seems negative and technically can be construed as attacking ppl because they dont agree with you. You dont have that right and you need to refrain from it on this site. You should accept the criticism as a writer and move on.

[sarah_ab]

wait so if i have on a diaper, and a onsie, than say a bib dress overall over all that, so no one knows i a. have adiaper on and b. have a onesie on, than i am NOT overtly dressing as an AB? so in the picture brian posted, neither he NOR tami are dressing overtly AB because their diaper is not showing?

This is all SOOOOO confusing too me..

and i'm glad you brought up your research.. could you provide us with a list of the other things you read? Many of us would probably also like to read other materials on ab/dl... and some probably don't know how to find them... it would be awesome if you could tell us..

Im not going to once again ask for your research methods, because the 20+ times you have stated you have done research you have been asked just as many times as to what your methods were and continuously evade the questions, so of course i'm not going to open that bag of nowhere again... But you did mention you have data to back up your opinion? So please, share this data.. but remember when sharing data you also have to share the methods you used to achieve this data.. oh no wait, never mind because you have yet to release your research methods. So no methods, than the data is meaningless, and if you are basing your opinoin on meaningless data, than your opinions are just that.. opinions!

[Guest *~Andi~*]

wait so if i have on a diaper, and a onsie, than say a bib dress overall over all that, so no one knows i a. have adiaper on and b. have a onesie on, than i am NOT overtly dressing as an AB? so in the

Im not going to once again ask for your research methods, because the 20+ times you have stated you have done research you have been asked just as many times as to what your methods were and continuously evade the questions, so of course i'm not going to open that bag of nowhere again... But you did mention you have data to back up your opinion? So please, share this data.. but remember when sharing data you also have to share the methods you used to achieve this data.. oh no wait, never mind because you have yet to release your research methods. So no methods, than the data is meaningless, and if you are basing your opinoin on meaningless data, than your opinions are just that.. opinions!

She has such a valid point.... in school (Im a teacher) you have to back up your research with qualifying support. This means not just the opinion of someone else, mind you... I, too, would like to see this data you state you have. Where does your research come form and what is it based on??

btw... SARAH CONGRATS ON YOUR 1000TH!!!! Glad I could be the one to hit that like button to 1000 girl!!!

[DailyDi]

How did Sarah get twice the rep points as ME?

i think some people's opinions are too focused on the fetish side of this community. Those who wear 24/7 and dress as their little selves aren't acting out a sexualized-interest around the clock, they are living a lifestyle that suits them. Being committed to sissy wear or cosplay or whatever is no different than Goths walking around in black clothes... "others" don't have to like it, its not for them.

There are limits of course, such as the guy in the news in a diaper at McDonald's. He needed to put some damn pants on... but if those pants are Osh Kosh bib-front overalls with a pacifier pinned to the chest, no one would have cared and the police wouldn't have been called.

And if others are offended by non-sexual, non-obscene displays of personal clothing choices: fuck 'em!

[sarah_ab]

the funny thing is DD rosalie has always made such a big stink about her book and her seminar being about thise who dont do it as a sexual fetish!!!

oh my god i hit 1000 rep points!!! this is incredible!!! sooo unexpected!!! i.... i would just like to thank everyone out there who clicked the like button .... or the + button back in the day!! if it werent for the support and encouragement of everyone out there i would be in diapers like i am today!!! hehehe

dont worry DD its not as easy as it looks .... bein this popular

[rosalie.bent]

She has such a valid point.... in school (Im a teacher) you have to back up your research with qualifying support. This means not just the opinion of someone else, mind you... I, too, would like to see this data you state you have. Where does your research come form and what is it based on??

You want to know why I really get sick to death of repeating my research methodologies and data? Because the people who continually ask are the same people who havent read my book, wont read my book yet choose to criticise it intensely. They dont criticise what is in the book nor my theories or methodologies because they dont know what they are - because they havent read it. And neither have you. And funnily enough I list my references both at the back of the book and the source of my case histories and surveys throughout the book. Sarah has the somewhat ridiculous demand that my research be conducted at the same level as a PhD program.

And yet, of the people who have read the book, the worst feedback I have had is 'good, not great'. And yet I receive almost daily emails from ABs or partners of them who tell me just how much their relationship has improved as a result of reading it and taking on board the advice and methodologies. One stated that I effectively saved their marriage from disaster. Anyone who has studied any of the sciences knows that the ultimate validity of their work is how it fits real-world data. Mybook has been remarkably effective in that regard which implies that my theories and methodologies are at elast on track witht he truth.

I had the naive hope at first that after being published there would be some signficant debate and discussion on the content of my theories eg 'Trinary nature of diaper attraction', 'Puberty cut-off of regressive AB onset', 'attachment objects', 'fundamental needs of the regressive AB' etc. Unfortunately, it seems most (almost all) would rather attack the messenger rather than the message.

[rosalie.bent]

How did Sarah get twice the rep points as ME?

i think some people's opinions are too focused on the fetish side of this community. Those who wear 24/7 and dress as their little selves aren't acting out a sexualized-interest around the clock, they are living a lifestyle that suits them. Being committed to sissy wear or cosplay or whatever is no different than Goths walking around in black clothes... "others" don't have to like it, its not for them.

There are limits of course, such as the guy in the news in a diaper at McDonald's. He needed to put some damn pants on... but if those pants are Osh Kosh bib-front overalls with a pacifier pinned to the chest, no one would have cared and the police wouldn't have been called.

And if others are offended by non-sexual, non-obscene displays of personal clothing choices: fuck 'em!

How does a full AB sissy outfit in public work for you? ok or not?

[DailyDi]

How does a full AB sissy outfit in public work for you? ok or not?

Fine with me.

[Guest *~Andi~*]

Rosalie u are just... wow. Ive read reviews on your book and ehh w/e... It didnt intrigure me enough to read it, to tell the truth. Plus I read how you treat people on these boards, and honestly I refuse to read the works of anyone is unable to open themselves up to the criticism they have placed themselves into.

I had the naive hope at first that after being published there would be some signficant debate and discussion on the content of my theories eg 'Trinary nature of diaper attraction', 'Puberty cut-off of regressive AB onset', 'attachment objects', 'fundamental needs of the regressive AB' etc. Unfortunately, it seems most (almost all) would rather attack the messenger rather than the message.

Even though I choose to not read your book, Ive read the synopsis of it and Ive spoken with those who have read it. It doesnt dispute the fact that I can choose to make my opinions known or ask for your literary references. According to Sarah, you have refused to post them. Well sorry my dear, I havent the money to buy your book just for the references. Maybe if you post them, I might reference them and find a reason to read your story. Until you do, my dedication to my opinion remains the same, all you have is your experience and opinion. Prove me wrong.

Now as far as me attacking the writer, I dont feel Ive done any such thing. Ive done the same thing I would do with anyone who is writing a work based on supposed facts and research. Take it as what you will. If your research is credible then I may find reason to dwelve deeper into it.

Maybe you should stop being so defensive and take some time to think about your words and retorts, as well as how they are coming across?? hmm...

[rosalie.bent]

Fine with me.

and what about everyone else

[sarah_ab]

careful rosalie or ill start talking about your publisher and their high standards as well

the point is i dont care about your results and im not demanding phd level work but im asking you tell us a little about your methodology and sources .... i have not yet criticised your book .... however you appear to purposely with hold answers in the hopes more people will buy your book ... instead of throwing about jnsults just say 'if you want to know my methods i have outlined them in my book' or tell us how you did your research....

if even an undergrad says they did researh and their research was published they would be expected to reveal their methodologies ..... even a high schooler has to abide by certain standards ... so either you did research .... or your book is simply based on your own experiences ... that is fine but come out and say my experiences have shown me ... because talking to people on the internet with no methodology is compiling annecdotes .... not research

[rosalie.bent]

Rosalie u are just... wow. Ive read reviews on your book and ehh w/e... It didnt intrigure me enough to read it, to tell the truth. Plus I read how you treat people on these boards, and honestly I refuse to read the works of anyone is unable to open themselves up to the criticism they have placed themselves into.

Even though I choose to not read your book, Ive read the synopsis of it and Ive spoken with those who have read it. It doesnt dispute the fact that I can choose to make my opinions known or ask for your literary references. According to Sarah, you have refused to post them. Well sorry my dear, I havent the money to buy your book just for the references. Maybe if you post them, I might reference them and find a reason to read your story. Until you do, my dedication to my opinion remains the same, all you have is your experience and opinion. Prove me wrong.

Now as far as me attacking the writer, I dont feel Ive done any such thing. Ive done the same thing I would do with anyone who is writing a work based on supposed facts and research. Take it as what you will. If your research is credible then I may find reason to dwelve deeper into it.

Maybe you should stop being so defensive and take some time to think about your words and retorts, as well as how they are coming across?? hmm...

You havent attacked me and I believe I said that earlier. But while Sarah claims that I have not listed my sources or references, I actually have done so - repeatedly. However sarah demands that I list which university is sponsoring the study, which post-graduate review board is overseeing it etc etc etc as if this were a PhD study - which quite clearly it is not. For goodness sake, it was a GUIDE to parent/child AB relationships, as anyone who had actually read the book rather than listened to the gossip would know.

You mentioned that you have read the synopsis of the book. Can you refer me to that since neither I nor my publisher has provided one. And also where you read reviews as I'd certainly be interested in reading them. It is most certainly your right to hold the opinion that my book is entirely my own experience and not the results of research. But given what I have now told you several times, that implies that you think I am a liar. I dont know quite why you think I should be impressed with that.

What I find most curious and indeed quite frustrating is that no matter how often I list my sources or references - including people on this site who provided case histories etc - people just continue to accept JUST their own personal opinion instead. Can you explain that?

And just in case you (and anyone else) thinks that I have no idea what I am doing, these continual on-line discussions are very revealing into the AB/DL/RP mindset which is partly why I continue them. I have learned almost as much from the post-publication arguments (i wont call them debates) online as I did in the preliminary research. I think you'd be more than a little surprised at what I have learned.

[BriGuy]

Here ya go... Full sissy garb.

Those ladies we met in the casino at the Belagio. Anything else my experience can share?

[rosalie.bent]

careful rosalie or ill start talking about your publisher and their high standards as well

the point is i dont care about your results and im not demanding phd level work but im asking you tell us a little about your methodology and sources .... i have not yet criticised your book .... however you appear to purposely with hold answers in the hopes more people will buy your book ... instead of throwing about jnsults just say 'if you want to know my methods i have outlined them in my book' or tell us how you did your research....

if even an undergrad says they did researh and their research was published they would be expected to reveal their methodologies ..... even a high schooler has to abide by certain standards ... so either you did research .... or your book is simply based on your own experiences ... that is fine but come out and say my experiences have shown me ... because talking to people on the internet with no methodology is compiling annecdotes .... not research

Sarah, I have already explained my sources and methodology before and I am loathe to go through all that yet again only to have you make the same demand yet again in a few weeks time.

Have you read Dr Thomas Speaker's masters thesis on infantilism? Do you know that the majority of his research was anecdotal? Do you wish to take issue with his university and claim that his work (and ultimately his PhD) was garbage? It might sound all nice and easy for you do demand a 10,000 sample size 300 question statistically bullet-proof survey along with 100 face-to-face interviews, but that data is simply not available nor is it even probably obtainable any time soon. Are you aware for example, that researchers are aware that parents routinely grossly under-report bedwetting in surveys but are honest in face-to-face? These are the kinds of dilemmas that face researchers into any fetish and even more so in such small groups like AB. Even in my book I used the results of existing surveys with caution knowing that the margin of error could be quite large.

Michael and I are actually in the process now of devising a large survey of AB/DL behaviours and needs and trying to increase the sample size to increase validity and accuracy. But even so, it will still suffer from self-selection bias. But what would you prefer I use?

We are trying to improve the understanding of AB behaviours and all you seem to do is find fault because you are DL fetishist and (to date) it isnt about you. Well actually, the survey WILL take into account your part of the spectrum as well. We started with regressive AB first for our own reasons. it does not mean that is where it will end.

Now, I am having trouble getting widespread support for this survey so perhaps you could express your support for the idea and perhaps encourage others the same way. the larger the sample size and the broader the demographics of respondents, the more accurate will be the results. Care to help?

[rosalie.bent]

Here ya go... Full sissy garb.

Those ladies we met in the casino at the Belagio. Anything else my experience can share?

Fascinating and all power to you. But it isnt Subway or the local Shopping Mall, is it? I think it would be great if the community accepted without question an overt AB including sissy. What I am saying is that until the community actualyl DOES accept AB, then being overt is unwise and frankly, unfair to the rest of the community.

But the sissy outfits are remarkable! Although of course NOTHING like what real babies actually wear!! (Thats another topic!)

[sarah_ab]

Actaully I am not a DL fetishist at all... and many times have i talked about not being a DL at all... I don't love diapers... i can take em or leave em. Diapers are simply a prop in a role play scenario.. but the scenario can be acted out with or without diapers....

I have not read this person's thesis, but i'm glad you told me about it for now I can look up this thesis and this person and read it. See this is the first time EVER that you have mentioned anyone elses work that you have read or used... it wasn't that hard was it?

there is nothing wrong with using anecdotal information when writing a paper or book, but you can't simply call it 'research' you need to explain that it is anecdotal experiences from interviewees so the reader is aware .... the problem is you think everyone here is either an idiot who will blindly believe whatever you say, or is completely against you doing anything simply because they question you.

Honestly I would never participate in research of the kind you claim to do.

[sarah_ab]

So heres my issue with Dr. Thomas Speakers paper.

1. He was NOT a dr when it was written, but rather was applying for a MASTERS degree.

you implied in the way you phrased your statement this was a paper written by a Dr. So you again are attempting to mislead people.

2. it is very very outdated as it was clearly written in a time when the psychological community still considered homosexuality a disease. No sources past the 1970's. A LOT has been done in the world of psychiatry since than.

It appears this author had the full support of his universities ethics board in doing this research, that his methods and his behavior was monitored by a governing body, where if a participant felt they have been violated in some way, they had a place to turn to for protection - what assurances do participants in your research have?

Other than that, i don't have much to say about the paper, i feel he was right in his conclusion that most people don't need therapy because of their ab/dl desires. But i will admit i simply skimmed the paper. A paper written in the 1980's about a topic that doesn't really interested me ... not gonna waste a lot of time reading it.

I wonder if this Thomas John speaker has done anything since? I can't seem to find anything else out there related to this name?

[BriGuy]

I've also got experiences at subway et al but if my pictures have proven nothing yet then I'm just talking to a dead wall.

I guess my life experiences and PROOF of said experiences have NOTHING when compared to your THEORIES. *thumbs up*

I can keep going.... But your mental myopia seems to get in the way....

How about you succumb to the fact that I MAY actually know what I'm talking about. WITHOUT a darned Internet book that I'm charging 12 bucks a pop for???

My information and experiences are free, shared and givin willingly.

I guess that is the Crux of my issue with you Rosalie. You try to profit from your information that you say is so good, yet sit in your corner and cast judgment on those who are ACTUALLY TAKING a proactive stance and getting into the VANILLA community and breaking down walls.

[Guest *~Andi~*]

You havent attacked me and I believe I said that earlier. But while Sarah claims that I have not listed my sources or references, I actually have done so - repeatedly. However sarah demands that I list which university is sponsoring the study, which post-graduate review board is overseeing it etc etc etc as if this were a PhD study - which quite clearly it is not. For goodness sake, it was a GUIDE to parent/child AB relationships, as anyone who had actually read the book rather than listened to the gossip would know.

You mentioned that you have read the synopsis of the book. Can you refer me to that since neither I nor my publisher has provided one. And also where you read reviews as I'd certainly be interested in reading them. It is most certainly your right to hold the opinion that my book is entirely my own experience and not the results of research. But given what I have now told you several times, that implies that you think I am a liar. I dont know quite why you think I should be impressed with that.

What I find most curious and indeed quite frustrating is that no matter how often I list my sources or references - including people on this site who provided case histories etc - people just continue to accept JUST their own personal opinion instead. Can you explain that?

And just in case you (and anyone else) thinks that I have no idea what I am doing, these continual on-line discussions are very revealing into the AB/DL/RP mindset which is partly why I continue them. I have learned almost as much from the post-publication arguments (i wont call them debates) online as I did in the preliminary research. I think you'd be more than a little surprised at what I have learned.

Ive not seen your resources so why not post them one more time. if it shuts me up, tehn is it not worth it? To me you are just avoiding... post them. HOwever, referring to waht Sarah said, if you are utilizing outdated resources then theres not truly a point. As far as the synopsis of your book... you freaking posted the synopsis to it on DD. The reviews are from those on DD who have read it. That I have spoken with in real time as the conversation has permitted, or simply what was posted in review to your synopsis. And as far as what you have told me... thats simply that, what YOU have told me. YOU can tell me the sky is blue, doesnt mean Im gonna believe it, Im gonna go see for myself! What YOU tell me holds no bearing at this point. Im not calling you a liar, unless you want to flat out refuse to provide evidence of your claims hun... and if thats the case, well you figure it out. I can perfectly well explain why people choose to accept their own opinion... Its simply because no matter how many times you are asked for the information, you should just provide it. Why yell and throw tantrums about it? Give the info again and move on. Instead it seems you prefer to fight the issue and throw rants to everyone, which ummm i dont see the point, but hey if its what appeases you then you cant complain about what appeases the masses either. You say online discussion are revealing, but these discussions arent factual evidence. If you go into chat and write an essay on what happens in there, you are writing from self perspective based solely on your opinions. Are you a dr Rosalie? Unless you are.... hmmm

[rosalie.bent]

So heres my issue with Dr. Thomas Speakers paper.

1. He was NOT a dr when it was written, but rather was applying for a MASTERS degree.

you implied in the way you phrased your statement this was a paper written by a Dr. So you again are attempting to mislead people.

2. it is very very outdated as it was clearly written in a time when the psychological community still considered homosexuality a disease. No sources past the 1970's. A LOT has been done in the world of psychiatry since than.

It appears this author had the full support of his universities ethics board in doing this research, that his methods and his behavior was monitored by a governing body, where if a participant felt they have been violated in some way, they had a place to turn to for protection - what assurances do participants in your research have?

Other than that, i don't have much to say about the paper, i feel he was right in his conclusion that most people don't need therapy because of their ab/dl desires. But i will admit i simply skimmed the paper. A paper written in the 1980's about a topic that doesn't really interested me ... not gonna waste a lot of time reading it.

I wonder if this Thomas John speaker has done anything since? I can't seem to find anything else out there related to this name?

Seriously??? You reject virtually in its entirety a Masters Thesis because he wasnt a PhD at the time?? and then of course, let's reject it also because it is not recent...

There is no satisfying you sarah. It wouldnt matter WHAT anyone came up with, you would reject it for the usual totally invalid reasons.

[rosalie.bent]

I've also got experiences at subway et al but if my pictures have proven nothing yet then I'm just talking to a dead wall.

I guess my life experiences and PROOF of said experiences have NOTHING when compared to your THEORIES. *thumbs up*

I can keep going.... But your mental myopia seems to get in the way....

How about you succumb to the fact that I MAY actually know what I'm talking about. WITHOUT a darned Internet book that I'm charging 12 bucks a pop for???

My information and experiences are free, shared and givin willingly.

I guess that is the Crux of my issue with you Rosalie. You try to profit from your information that you say is so good, yet sit in your corner and cast judgment on those who are ACTUALLY TAKING a proactive stance and getting into the VANILLA community and breaking down walls.

profit??? clearly, you have never had a book published! 6 months of near full-time work and the profit MIGHT be $200. And please, please try and understand what I am saying... ALL POWER to you for doing this in public. However, I am entitled to my opinion that it is unwise and in some places offensive to other people. That is - and has always been - my position. I'm just wondering if you have any interest on whether or not other people around you might be offended by your attire.

[rosalie.bent]

Ive not seen your resources so why not post them one more time. if it shuts me up, tehn is it not worth it? To me you are just avoiding... post them. HOwever, referring to waht Sarah said, if you are utilizing outdated resources then theres not truly a point. As far as the synopsis of your book... you freaking posted the synopsis to it on DD. The reviews are from those on DD who have read it. That I have spoken with in real time as the conversation has permitted, or simply what was posted in review to your synopsis. And as far as what you have told me... thats simply that, what YOU have told me. YOU can tell me the sky is blue, doesnt mean Im gonna believe it, Im gonna go see for myself! What YOU tell me holds no bearing at this point. Im not calling you a liar, unless you want to flat out refuse to provide evidence of your claims hun... and if thats the case, well you figure it out. I can perfectly well explain why people choose to accept their own opinion... Its simply because no matter how many times you are asked for the information, you should just provide it. Why yell and throw tantrums about it? Give the info again and move on. Instead it seems you prefer to fight the issue and throw rants to everyone, which ummm i dont see the point, but hey if its what appeases you then you cant complain about what appeases the masses either. You say online discussion are revealing, but these discussions arent factual evidence. If you go into chat and write an essay on what happens in there, you are writing from self perspective based solely on your opinions. Are you a dr Rosalie? Unless you are.... hmmm

Outdated resources? How old are you? Thats the kind of nonsense I hear from teenagers for whom 'ancient music' is 2 year ago. Thomas Speakers work for example is only 30 years old. Do you really think that the fundamentals of AB regression and Diaper attraction/fetish has suddenly changed because of the internet? John Money's work on Lovemaps is also not this century. Do we disregard that as well?

SYNOPSIS?? No the article was not a synopsis. it was a preparatory RESEARCH document distributed to over 600 and responses sought. And I got a lot of responses from which the final product was changed significantly. And it appears that the REVIEWS you read of the book werent of the book but rather the research document.

SOURCES:

http://understanding.infantilism.org [bittergrey] - including the surveys

www.toddlertime.com

www.dailydiapers.com

www.fetlife.com

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV)

Sexual deviance: theory assessment and treatment D. Richard Laws

www.idiaper.me

The Millenium Diaper Survey

www.clarewinnicott.net

www.experienceproject.com

How to become a bed wetter [sakura.ne.jp]

www.mednet2002.org/abstracts/

www.adisc.org

www.liljennie.com

www.23nlpeople.com

Lovemaps: Dr John Money

Sexual Infantilism in Adults: Thomas Speaker

In additino to these there are numerous case studies and anecdotal events that are quoted and cited throughout the book

[warpiper]

Was this book peer reviewed at all? Typically credible articles are reviewed by two subject matter experts in a blind review. This ensures that the work is judged based on merit and not the prestige of the author.