Anyone Know How Much It Would Cost To Enforce These Rules?

[nitrous]

Hey I just saw this video

And I was wondering if anyone knew how much it would cost to enforce these laws? Thankfully there is a candidate out there willing to waaste our tax dollars to protect us from the evils such as Pornography lol

[KittenAB]

I love how the religious zealots love to ignore real science. LOL Thanks for this laugh nitrous.

[willnotwill]

I'm fairly sure if they took porn off the Internet, there'd only be one site left and it would be called "Bring back the porn!"

[Bettypooh]

One word- ZEALOT

Oh, sorry- I just thought of another word: FOOL!

Bettypooh

[Guest gnappies]

Mad as a jar of wasps.

[BabyJune]

Way to go, Santorum. Let's worry about porn instead of a lousy economy and high gas prices. He needs to get his priorities straight if he wants a chance to run the country.

[Eir]

1. First problem: We have no idea what Santorum considers obscenity.

2. I really do believe that porn can degrade women, ironically acceptance of nudity would normalize the body, and perhaps even decrease demands for porn.

3. Also ironically I believe Santorum would consider innocent, nonsexual nudity to be pornographic.

4. I have a problem with government intervention as he woul effectively replace the public conscience with a body of laws.

5. I believe the porno-prudish view is a viscious circle which leads the public into deeper and deeper states of depravity, and is capable of causing maladies that plague the body, things like shy bladder, shy bowel and even annorexia are examples of this. Sexualization of the perfect nude form has become an obsession. No one has a perfect body, and a little nonsexual nudity would help people realize this, and gain self-acceptance.

6. There is a good chance that this website would be considered obscene.

Also I am right of centre, and would support a normal Republican, such as Reagan, or Ron Paul.

[redneck diaper boy]

I'll take Santorum over Obama any day. The social issues are trivial within the scope of the whole picture. At least Santorum is not a Marxist. Obama is a Marxist!

We need oil, not Solyndra. We need too repeal Obamacare. The CBO now says that the price, of Obamacare, is now 1.6 trillion. This is unsustainable!

[KittenAB]

I'll take Santorum over Obama any day. The social issues are trivial within the scope of the whole picture. At least Santorum is not a Marxist. Obama is a Marxist!

We need oil, not Solyndra. We need too repeal Obamacare. The CBO now says that the price, of Obamacare, is now 1.6 trillion. This is unsustainable!

You should probably reconsider: http://www.votesmart...4/rick-santorum

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[Guest gnappies]

I'll take Santorum over Obama any day. The social issues are trivial within the scope of the whole picture. At least Santorum is not a Marxist. Obama is a Marxist!

We need oil, not Solyndra. We need too repeal Obamacare. The CBO now says that the price, of Obamacare, is now 1.6 trillion. This is unsustainable!

Now this baffles me a bit being from across the pond. We have the NHS, now it's by no means perfect far from it.

I have had to go into A&E a few days ago for an abscess in my jaw. Give your name and postcode at reception (enough info to pull up med records). Seen by triage, to assess urgency of treatment. Called in to see a Dr, pain medication given, moved on to the consultant, who decided a minor op to drain it needed to be carried out in the morning.

Returned in the morning to dental surgery dept, op carried out, packed off home with a mountain of pills.

Next day back to my own dentist in my village, she will see me every three days to monitor until cleared up/more treatment required.

Cost £/$ 0.00 (it comes out of your taxes at each time you're paid 'PAYE'.

Where it does fall down, is that the moment you land in the UK, whoever you are, and from wherever you came, you are entitled to free medical care, this has encouraged health tourists, if there ill can get on a plane to the UK they will be treated.

If find it a little perplexing that such an advanced country as the US puts a price on the health of its population?

[KittenAB]

Now this baffles me a bit being from across the pond. We have the NHS, now it's by no means perfect far from it.

I have had to go into A&E a few days ago for an abscess in my jaw. Give your name and postcode at reception (enough info to pull up med records). Seen by triage, to assess urgency of treatment. Called in to see a Dr, pain medication given, moved on to the consultant, who decided a minor op to drain it needed to be carried out in the morning.

Returned in the morning to dental surgery dept, op carried out, packed off home with a mountain of pills.

Next day back to my own dentist in my village, she will see me every three days to monitor until cleared up/more treatment required.

Cost £/$ 0.00 (it comes out of your taxes at each time you're paid 'PAYE'.

Where it does fall down, is that the moment you land in the UK, whoever you are, and from wherever you came, you are entitled to free medical care, this has encouraged health tourists, if there ill can get on a plane to the UK they will be treated.

If find it a little perplexing that such an advanced country as the US puts a price on the health of its population?

There are several reasons for this actually, though the number is actually just a hypothesis based on these factors and does not account for other changes so it cannot be adhered to as fact.

But the reason being that our medical system, the institutions and doctors specifically, is in the habit of making up what to charge. Health insurance companies negotiate these prices to keep them down, lest they cannot earn a profit since charging too much for insurance will mean fewer customers. Medical administration sees that we will always need medical care, but they also know that most rational people would only see a doctor with important matters. So to increase their profits they have convinced many US citizens that every tiny ache, pain, and cough is something really bad. This has created a hypochondriac mentality in the US, so they rush to the emergency room for minor things way too often.

The insurance companies combat this by simply saying they will not pay for such matters, however, a single payer system cannot do this as it would have to be broad enough to cover every possible situation. Until the hypochondriac mentality is somehow addressed this will continue to be a huge detriment, as it also effects other aspects of health care. Often doctors will underestimate many symptoms because of it, which will cause a condition to go untreated until the costs of treating it are massive (personal experience here). This hikes the price up even more, with the repeated visits to the medical facilities and the final care costs, it balloons. Other doctors have taken to junk science, like homeopathic treatments, which do not heal anything and often result in needing more severe and costly treatments in the long run. Basically, our country is too big and everything has been allowed to become a huge mess.

[Alexandra]

just 5 words to mr. Santorum

[Diapered Jason]

As an American, I do not find this funny anymore, because so many people like Rick now, which is not a good sign for the country right now (or one could blame it on media sensationalization). Gnappies, you bring up a valid point and the truth is the incentives are all screwed up. We need new ideas to implement, and I am for doing away with the private insurance system all together, everywhere, but the problem is especially prevalent in health insurance. I find these insurance companies to be a huge deficit and cost to our economy, but it is not all their fault. You have heard of what De Beers does with diamonds right. Well, I feel the same is done with pills and other drugs by the drug companies. Medications are purposefully introduced to the market at a slower rate to drive up price. Though I do not have any proof, I just have a really bad feeling. The thing about Doctors Kitten is some are good and some are bad, and the service they provide you depends quite a bit on your insurance. Still, it is the responsibility of the patient to know when the doctor is milking the system for all they got, because no one else has the authority to stop the abuse. Again, this boils down to motivation. As we find everywhere here, the motivation is not in the patients' interests.

[Horndog]

Let's ban everything we personally find to be morally objectionable.

I vote kittens!

[Guest gnappies]

As an American, I do not find this funny anymore, because so many people like Rick now, which is not a good sign for the country right now (or one could blame it on media sensationalization). Gnappies, you bring up a valid point and the truth is the incentives are all screwed up. We need new ideas to implement, and I am for doing away with the private insurance system all together, everywhere, but the problem is especially prevalent in health insurance. I find these insurance companies to be a huge deficit and cost to our economy, but it is not all their fault. You have heard of what De Beers does with diamonds right. Well, I feel the same is done with pills and other drugs by the drug companies. Medications are purposefully introduced to the market at a slower rate to drive up price. Though I do not have any proof, I just have a really bad feeling. The thing about Doctors Kitten is some are good and some are bad, and the service they provide you depends quite a bit on your insurance. Still, it is the responsibility of the patient to know when the doctor is milking the system for all they got, because no one else has the authority to stop the abuse. Again, this boils down to motivation. As we find everywhere here, the motivation is not in the patients' interests.

You mention about expensive drugs, this is a very hot potato over here with the NHS.

Dr's can't prescribe any drug on the market, even if approved as treatment. A separate body, NICE, (you'll see the irony in this name in a bit), they look at the cost of the drug. These drugs tend to be 'end of life extenders', and unfortunately if it's going to cost £50k for a couple of months extension, with little improvement in life quality. The NHS will not fund it, it's harsh, but a line has to be drawn.

[KittenAB]

As an American, I do not find this funny anymore, because so many people like Rick now, which is not a good sign for the country right now (or one could blame it on media sensationalization). Gnappies, you bring up a valid point and the truth is the incentives are all screwed up. We need new ideas to implement, and I am for doing away with the private insurance system all together, everywhere, but the problem is especially prevalent in health insurance. I find these insurance companies to be a huge deficit and cost to our economy, but it is not all their fault. You have heard of what De Beers does with diamonds right. Well, I feel the same is done with pills and other drugs by the drug companies. Medications are purposefully introduced to the market at a slower rate to drive up price. Though I do not have any proof, I just have a really bad feeling. The thing about Doctors Kitten is some are good and some are bad, and the service they provide you depends quite a bit on your insurance. Still, it is the responsibility of the patient to know when the doctor is milking the system for all they got, because no one else has the authority to stop the abuse. Again, this boils down to motivation. As we find everywhere here, the motivation is not in the patients' interests.

I have only one thing to address here, the medication costs driven up like this are because of really bad patent/copyright laws, thank Disney for those FYI. Another prime example of over regulation impacting everyone badly ... except one company. This is also the only reason generics tend to be less effective, they cannot make anything better because of patents. Not to mention the FDA doesn't actually test any of them, and this isn't entirely a problem except that people are complacent and expect them to do the tests, instead the FDA takes the tests done by the drug manufacturers then gives a thumbs up. A couple decades ago they released an anti-schizophrenia medication on such a report only to find out it was really bad for us, which resulted in lawsuits and a lot of price hikes. I know of this because I was given this medication (by a misdiagnosis thanks to my mother and idiotic psychiatrists) ... the lasting side effect was ... clinical depression. Yeah, my childhood is fucked up. Anyhow, this wouldn't be a problem if the patients did more research on matters, simply put, don't trust the label. But yeah, the prices are due to patent laws that favor monopolies, which were actually supported by the general public as a regulation against "evil corporations."

[Ben123]

We need oil, not Solyndra.

We have more oil than we can use right now.. we're shipping it overseas.

[Diapered Jason]

I have only one thing to address here, the medication costs driven up like this are because of really bad patent/copyright laws, thank Disney for those FYI. Another prime example of over regulation impacting everyone badly ... except one company. This is also the only reason generics tend to be less effective, they cannot make anything better because of patents. Not to mention the FDA doesn't actually test any of them, and this isn't entirely a problem except that people are complacent and expect them to do the tests, instead the FDA takes the tests done by the drug manufacturers then gives a thumbs up. A couple decades ago they released an anti-schizophrenia medication on such a report only to find out it was really bad for us, which resulted in lawsuits and a lot of price hikes. I know of this because I was given this medication (by a misdiagnosis thanks to my mother and idiotic psychiatrists) ... the lasting side effect was ... clinical depression. Yeah, my childhood is fucked up. Anyhow, this wouldn't be a problem if the patients did more research on matters, simply put, don't trust the label. But yeah, the prices are due to patent laws that favor monopolies, which were actually supported by the general public as a regulation against "evil corporations."

Yeah, the FDA makes mistakes, but you must understand how tricky toxicology is as they are suppose to test rigorously. Sometimes, the effects of what we are doing now appear harmless, but it may have lasting affects or it may affect certain individuals differently. There are probably different regulations in place now then there were 20 years ago as we learn more about toxicology.

Patent laws may be an issue, but this is true with every sector of technology. Have you not heard about the drug shortages?

[KittenAB]

Yeah, the FDA makes mistakes, but you must understand how tricky toxicology is as they are suppose to test rigorously. Sometimes, the effects of what we are doing now appear harmless, but it may have lasting affects or it may affect certain individuals differently. There are probably different regulations in place now then there were 20 years ago as we learn more about toxicology.

Patent laws may be an issue, but this is true with every sector of technology. Have you not heard about the drug shortages?

Technically most drugs have to go into mass testing to find all the drawbacks, and that's not the issue that bothers me, we can't know how they will effect us until they have been in use for a while. The problem I have is that consumers expect a government agency to regulate it then go and blame the company, while not once checking to see how long it's been in use. My biggest problem is giving children new medication that has not stood the test of time when that medication has an effect on the one organ developing in them and thus any flaw in the medication would lead to long term ailments. I don't agree with giving any child psych meds at all, but if you think you have to at least make sure the medication has a good track record before messing up their brain.

Oh, and most drug shortages are because of there not being enough lines of production available, which could be improved by releasing the patents sooner.

[Diapered Jason]

Oh, and most drug shortages are because of there not being enough lines of production available, which could be improved by releasing the patents sooner.

You would be surprised then to learn that most drugs that were short on supply were generics.

[ItchyTasty]

Without adult porn I'd create my own,lol..... Unless even that was illegal to do so like in some arab countries

[KittenAB]

You would be surprised then to learn that most drugs that were short on supply were generics.

Not really. The reason such would happen is that they have to reinvent the wheel due to the patent laws.

[Diapered Jason]

Not really. The reason such would happen is that they have to reinvent the wheel due to the patent laws.

Um, patent laws do not apply to generic drugs as long as you have a slightly different formula. Try again. If you do your research, you will find there are only a couple of conclusions. The first is the FDA is at fault, because they are required to inspect the manufacturing lines before production can be started. There have been complaints this process have taken up to a year. The other possibility is what I said, and that is they have no interest in manufacturing the drug due to profit reasons. The problem with generics is they are cheaper than the branded drugs, which cost quite a bit more resulting in higher profits if you are the manufacturer.

[Leilin]

Um, patent laws do not apply to generic drugs as long as you have a slightly different formula. Try again. If you do your research, you will find there are only a couple of conclusions. The first is the FDA is at fault, because they are required to inspect the manufacturing lines before production can be started. There have been complaints this process have taken up to a year. The other possibility is what I said, and that is they have no interest in manufacturing the drug due to profit reasons. The problem with generics is they are cheaper than the branded drugs, which cost quite a bit more resulting in higher profits if you are the manufacturer.

In general, there are also specific rules allowing identically formulated generics after a specific amount of time if the Chemcos used public resources to design the medications, if I recall correctly.

Yup. The patents on drugs only last 12 years and cannot be renewed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

[Diapered Jason]

In general, there are also specific rules allowing identically formulated generics after a specific amount of time if the Chemcos used public resources to design the medications, if I recall correctly.

Yup. The patents on drugs only last 12 years and cannot be renewed:

http://en.wikipedia....rdable_Care_Act

I guess I should clarify what I mean by different formula when it pertains to generic drugs. What I mean is they use the same active drugs, but the pill may be a different color for example or some added inactive ingredient. Ibuprofen will always be ibuprofen, which is the generic, but the various over the counter pills you can buy will have different inactive ingredients.