Textured Vinyl / Plastic

[Kara Thrace]

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I'm inco (not abdl), more specifically I have primary nocturnal enuresis.

I've never been dry at nights, but I usually am during the day.

I've been through the whole medical mill a couple of times, but all that has come out of that was that it seems to be a developmental / neurological issue. I also have severe inattentive ADD, and it has been suggested that there's a link between those. SInce there are no clear physical causes apart from this, there's also no cure atm.

There have been times that I had great trouble accepting my situation, but eventually it dawned upon me that the medicalisation / hospitalisation was what I hated about it. Since I have never been dry at night, I am very much used to that. Before the whole medical thing started rolling - when I was 8 years old - I didn't mind it at all, mostly thanks to how my parents managed it.

I feel quite at ease with the situation now, since I have concluded that I am not going to spend the rest of my life chasing for a cure that will probably never come. Since then I have tried to make things as comfortable as possible. I can manage with the large molicare, kolibri or attend disposables (whatever the pharmacy has got in stock). But I don't like wearing those stuffy disposables that much - maybe because I have been raised in the 1980's combination of side-button plastic panties with nappies. The pants had a sort of pouch in which the nappie went at the front and the back. I've worn them until I was about 10 years old.

Maybe I was just so very much used to wearing them, but I found the change to "inco briefs" after that terrible. Maybe I also associate them with being carefree, and the inco briefs with the medicalisation that came afterwards. But I'm stubborn, and I am still trying to find a similar solution to manage the sleepwetting as what I wore as a little girl.

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There are more reasons that I would prefer plastic pants either with simple disposables or with cloth diapers, to those fullsize molicare etc. diapers. It is easier on the environment, for one thing. And even though the medical insurance pays for it (still; because some insurances don't anymore in case of just nocturnal enuresis) - it is also cheaper.

Re. comfort: I found the old plastic pants / disposable combination comfortable because the pant was roomy, had a relaxed fit. The plastic material was very gentle to the touch: it had a texture like woven material applied to it, which caused it to make funny squeaky noises if I ran my nails over it. The idea behind it was - as far as I can see - that the surface then does not cling to your skin. It also looks much less "plastic-like": I have been through many of those pants and this did vary sometimes, but in the best case these pants looked more like made out of silk than out of plastic.

I never experienced them as hot or uncomfortable. Of course, having to wear one under a jeans is quite something different: then the air cannot circulate, and things get awkward and sweaty. But I still think this was a golden combination for sleepwetting.

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Of course there are many plastic pants on the market today. Not least, it seems, because of the demands coming from the abdl community - thanks for that!

But! I have tried some of what's out there for sale, and to be honest: most of it is not very good. Take the brand that everyone raves about: Suprima. Sure, they are well made. But the material is absolutely awful. It smells like a chemical plant, and the surface of the plastic is sticky like clingfilm.

When I put a disposable in it - I need a separate net panty to keep it in place, and wherever the plastic touches the skin, it irritates because it, well, it sticks.

I have even seen it advertised on one of those websites: they bring the "smoothness" of the material they use as a positive quality.

So, others apparently have another experience as I had. I have been wondering ever since why this is so ... is the smooth plastic thing a fetish maybe?

That would explain it at least.

But still, I find it hard to believe that such a very obvious comfort issue - that textured plastic is much more friendly on the skin if you have to wear these things every day / night - that this has been forgotten about.

ALL plastic pants that there were here (in the Netherlands) had that textured surface.

But now it has been practically impossible to find even one.

What's happened? Does anyone know more about this?

PS I *did* find one place where they sell something that comes somewhere near what I am looking for: France. Sanygia has plastic pants that are almost what I am looking for .. almost, but not yet quite. The thing is, it also gets kind of expensive to try these things to find out that the fit is off (causing leaks), the back is way too low (leaks), the elastics in the legs are too narrow (ouch), yadda yadda yadda.

So, any help would be appreciated ...

[jbz2079]

What a great first post, and a lot of what you said rings true to myself.

I am 48 years old and have had incontinence for the last 8 years and I have tried all sorts of medications and had all sorts of tests all of which point to the basic fact that it's permanant and and it's not going to go away.

I too get supplied disposable all in ones and I think the people that are responsable for continence care think it's as simple as suppling pads to suit and that's their job done, Well they don't have to wear the things they supply and the also have no idea what the various things the supply feel like to wear.

Also don't mention cloth diapers or plastic pants because they seem to reguard these as something from the dark ages that could not possibly have any relavance in any situation today.

I am a bit of a fan of cloth diapers (nappies) and plastic pants basically because when I wear them they work well for me, I can go to bed safe in the knowledge that whatever position I sleep in they will keep the bed and me dry. Also they are far more comfortable to wear than all the disposables I've tried.

Plastic pants is a whole subject in it'self, there are so many different materials, styles , differences in fit the type and style of elastics, weather they are enclosed or not ect, ect.

Almost all vinyl / plastic pants that are manufactured today are meade using smoothe surfaced vinyl, I reackon it's for the easy cleaning and washing of the materials and yes all the pants I've ever worn will bond quite happily to any skin they come in contact with.

I find this mostly happens during the daytime when you use neater fitting things under normal daytime clothes.

At night I tend to use pants that have a loose fit over my diaper and find they only really touch my skin at the actual leg and waist bands.

Some people prefer nylon or pul pants but I've had a few of those and I don't like how they feel.

It's a long hard search to find plastic pants that fit well and feel right, it can get expensive too, because a lot of the stuff on sale is made for looks rather than function and it's very difficult to tell what you are actually buying online, without the chance of a close up in your hand inspection.

There are a few older people on here who know far more about plastic pants than I do maybey one of them could share their knowledge.

[Little BabyDoll Christine]

The granin material has always been the el cheapo rout. This has to do with the devices that roll the material into sheets. The higher the quality the smoother the material do to better more even rollers. Tht is wht I have been told

In the world of baby panties, the grainy or "textured" lines, put out by the same companies, like BabyMates were about 30% lower in price

I was told by the owner of A. C. Meidcal, who always recommends using smooth material, that the grainy kind is less sanitary since the texturing shelters contaminamts and mocrobes

I never saw the grainy kind of material before 1953 or 4

To keep the material from sticking, put some kind of powder on the inside

[Kara Thrace]

Thanks for the replies.

@Christine: I respectfully disagree with that owner.

The cleaning argument makes no sense at all. I know what I'm talking about from experience, and my mother has even refuted this countless times by joking that I was actually causing her the least amount of laundry effort because my plastic pants were a breeze to keep clean.

Maybe the textured plastic is a tiny bit more work to clean but it's still very easy to clean, even by hand. If it is posdible to clean a cloth diaper, it is certainly possible to clean this sort of plastic.

I have read that quote about the textured plastic being a way to hide a flaky production process - somewhere on a website. But I don't know about it. I find the difference in comfort way too significant.

Oh and believe me - I use lots of powder already. It helps a tiny bit, only the first hour.

And apparently they don't have the smooth rollers in France because the material that Sanygia uses is textured - and of a great quality. The pants that I tried weren't satisfactory for other reasons, alas.

[Kara Thrace]

@ JBZ - sorry, I completely missed your reply! That comes from reading the forum on a smartphones - the screen's so tiny!

Thanks for your answer!

The strange thing that I notice here too is that no-one really seems to know the "why" and "how" about this, except that cleaning argument (which I still think both doesn't explain nor justify the current prevalence of sticky-clingfilm-vacuum pants).

Sigh

[Bettypooh]

I have some Lang's from EL LIfestyles which are slightly textured on one side. Unlike most, I wear unenclosed elastics with the elastic against my skin which is far more comfortable for me, and unless my diaper has reached capacity I haven't had a problem with wicking I've worn the Lang's and most of my other plastic panties both ways, and except at the legs I can't tell any difference As far as cleaning and sanitation there is no difference- the nasties can hide in both smooth and textured because smooth isn't really smooth; it's just smoother Look at plastic magnified to the microbe-hiding-sized scale and you'll see what I mean. AFAIK nobody has ever done a real study on the difference; they've just conjectured on what they think seems to be right without thinking deeply enough To wit; I never wash my plastic panties- I just rinse them well when I shower (especially the elastics), let them air-dry thoroughly and wear them again I've never had problems of any kind after two years of 24/7 wearing and I don't expect any I will qualify that by saying that I only pee in my diapers- if you poop yours more cleaning may be in order And regardless, anything bad is more likely to hide in the very porous elastic which is the same on smooth and textured panties. Just go with what you like and clean them however you feel is right- and people, please quit propagating the unproven wives tale of textured plastic being worse because it isn't.

Bettypooh

[Kara Thrace]

And regardless, anything bad is more likely to hide in the very porous elastic which is the same on smooth and textured panties. Just go with what you like and clean them however you feel is right- and people, please quit propagating the unproven wives tale of textured plastic being worse because it isn't.

Bettypooh

thanks!

Why, why, WHY then - *rolling eyes in utter stupefaction* - WHY then is the textured plastic becoming extinct then?

I am really at a complete loss. It's as if you suddenly find that there's no bread anymore. Some people may mutter something like "well, you can keep crackers longer than bread", but overall, no-one seems to know - or even care.

[jbz2079]

Quote -I am really at a complete loss. It's as if you suddenly find that there's no bread anymore. Some people may mutter something like "well, you can keep crackers longer than bread", but overall, no-one seems to know - or even care.

Unfortunatly it's not just in the world of plastic pants that these things happen, I mean diaper companies change the coverings of their diapers, or even the absorbant mix in the stuffing and don't usually make it public.

Also many companies that manufactured plastic pants have either gone out of business or been taken over by other companies, this usually means that makes and names of products get either changed or cease to be produced all together.

I suppose Gerber plastic pants are one that comes to mind.

People who were brought up in old style rubber pants have the same problems, The stuff they sell are rubber pants these days often bears no resemblance of the pants they wore in days gone by.

I just wish I had actually seen a pair of the pants you are looking for, I do remmember plastic pants with fine grain square textured surface on one side and smooth on the other but this does not sound like what you are describing.

[Kara Thrace]

I just wish I had actually seen a pair of the pants you are looking for, I do remmember plastic pants with fine grain square textured surface on one side and smooth on the other but this does not sound like what you are describing.

Actually, that sounds quite like what I mean. Even though usually, they were textured on both sides. But even one would be ok, because only one side would touch the skin in places.

I have one old pant from a French manufacturer that is made of this really good pvc. Unfortunately it's way to big for me (I didn't understand the french sizes when I ordered it), and of a rather strange design (far too little room for the diaper) that renders it practically unusable. The cut is basically that of a normal pair of knickers.

I made a picture of the texture, here it is:

Another good thing about this pvc is that it's treated with lanolin, which makes even more gentle on the skin.

[Kara Thrace]

@Bettypooh

Re. Cleaning: I'm enuretic so my pants stay relatively clean, too. I rinse them off under the shower every morning with a drop of shampoo. But I do want them to be really clean, and I check if the plastic smells fresh afterwards - if not I just throw them in the washer. Usually I then forget to dry it (have to run to work) which I then discover at night, but I found that that's no problem at all because if it's to become wet again anyhow - who cares? I just put the wet pant over the diaper and towel dry the outside.

For the non-structured pants I found it's actually better to wear them when they are dripping wet inside because then the plastic tends to cling less. The clinging is the worst when there's just a tiny bit of dampness (like from sweat buildup or a slightly wet cloth diaper) so if it's much wetter, it's more comfy.

[Sticks]

Yes, most plastic panties, back when I was a kid and wearing them, were textured or matted more on one side (outside) than the other. Very few pants made nowadays have that. They're all buttery smooth now. Lang's plastic pants still have a matted side and you can order them with the matted side out or in, it just takes a while to get them. Gerber (VIP) used to have the matted side out and even their real vinyl baby pants, up to about the 80's were made of better vinyl (somewhat stretchy and very sturdy) than what's used today. Today they use cheaper plastics and are smooth. Gary Inc. did make pants (w/Stars) with matted plastic, but they've gone away. I'm not sure why, but they still appeal to some folks, like me, who wear plastic pants. Personal thing I guess. I see the matted, frosty pants on occasion, but there's no information about where people get them. And there were great scents back then. Lanolin, and other soft baby scents were used on the pants. They washed off in about 2-3 washings, but wow, they were wonderful for a short time. Too bad manufacturers can't add those scents again. Increase sales by at least three fold in my mind.

[Repaid1]

even if it's a older thread this page may be of some help to describe some texture to plastic pants available.

http://www.plastic-pants.com/vinylmaterialsreferencesheet.htm

[WetDad]

I would suggest you try http://www.airoliver.de/ as they seem to have a large selection of pants

[CDLover]

Gary has a couple of on line catalogs that reference their materials.

http://garymanufacturing.com/products/IncontinentCareCatalog2009.pdf

http://garymanufacturing.com/products/IncontinentNoveltyCatalog2010.pdf

I'm still bummed the pink and blue stars are no longer available...

CDL