Abena Phasing Out Plastic Diapers

[babydoug]

From the news from Abena's Reprasentative is that Abena wil be eventually phasing out the plastic backing type diapers, appparently our AB/DL community isn't as big as we thought or maybe the institutions are 90% of there business and they want to cater to their needs. I would have thought since it is way to expensive for most at least all that I have visited Nursing Homes don't even use diapers that much anymore they use bed pads because it prevents families from sueing them over bedsores because of the possibility of ones loved one's being left in a soiled diaper for long periods. So my conclusion is that we all need to write to Abena and come out of our closet's (cribs) and be heard! Let them know there is still a demand out there. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later! well it's starting to happen.

BabyDoug

Please write any suggestions that you might have to help. even if we could have our own lot of diapers made I would be willing to be an investor and distributor. heck looks like an opportunity to make a little money if one has the time to start.

[loopy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I would like to hear your source on this... I don't see why they'd bother changing the X-plus lines because its designed for institute use, and cloth back ones eventually wick the moisture out... not good when a patient is wearing over night.

Oh well, I can only hope that bambino find a UK supplier, or that cuddlz get a little cheaper

[Codymoogle]

Yeah, I'd like to see sources. Plastic backed Abenas are my diaper of choice (cloth backed any diaper sucks, and I'm inco so I speak from experience)...If they phase out plastic backed Abenas I'm screwed unless I can find another as or more absorbent plastic backed diaper for the same price as my Abenas.

Edit: How do I contact the head person in the company? I've gone to the website and hit "contact us", but it wants my address and stuff - plus how can I be sure it'd go to the right person?

Edit #2: Sent a form to them...I hope more people do, too.

~ moogle

[Dubious]

bambino and cuddlz is the same diaper afaik

looks exactly the same, just different names and they started to sell it as bambinos

price isnt to bad compared to bambinos, if u should have ordered it urself from US it would cost more

[loopy]

See I'm not sure if they are bambinos. Why would they change the name? Since bambinos are well known to the community, and why don't they stock the one with patterns on it? Oh well, I got 40 cuddlz come soon anyways, they are good, I'd just like to know for definite.

[adriansurley]

Care to provide a source/link?

[willnotwill]

Abena doesn't have much of a formal presence in the US. I did talk to the Tena people

a while back and pretty much the plastic backing has gone the way of the "cloth like"

cover that is generally the norm in everything from current baby diapers on up. Only

Tena's smallest sizes hadn't made the leap.

[AutieAB]

I think the introduction of the Air Plus diapers has got to be seen as a demonstration of Abena's intention to move to cloth-backed. I'd be curious to learn what the sales are like, regular Abri-Form versus Air Plus. Over time, I'd expect the Air Plus sales to increase (since the 'prefer plastic backed' brigade is small) and the plastic backed diapers to fall by the wayside

I wouldn't be surprised if the same applied to Molicare with the Air Active diapers...

At least we have specialist suppliers these days who have publicly stated they will never go cloth

[d_drew12]

I hate to say it but it'll happen to nearly all mfgs eventually. Apparently it's what the majority of the consumers want so that's what they'll get. AB/DL's are a drop in the bucket in the big picture and mfg's aren't catering to our want. Most will use because of a need, not a desire so make 99.99% people happy or piss off .01%(exaguration probably, I know, we don't need 30 post on percentages now). I'm sure this isn't some knee jerk reaction on the companies part and I'll be willing to bet they've done there research and found cloth is a better option.

You don't have to like it but if it's not the truth yet for abena, I'll be very willing to bet it will be soon.

[FretaBWet]

This would be a good time to invest in Bambino if anyone has money laying around.

Hugs,

Freta

[thickdiaperedbaby]

I agree. I'd like to see the source for this. No offense, but I don't really believe a person that only has 6 posts here randomly stating/being privy to something such as this, with no other confirmation. I hope that Abena never makes this change, and don't believe that they are.

[Darkfinn]

Cite the source or it is a lie.

I have not seen any evidence of Abena wanting to change their diapers.

[AutieAB]

I have not seen any evidence of Abena wanting to change their diapers.

I dare say all the mainstream companies will go that way eventually, even Abena. I agree that there is no evidence to suggest the plan to phase out plastic backing is imminent but I don't think they would have introduced the 'AirPlus' line if they didn't intend to go that way in the longer term.

As I said above, thank goodness for specialist ABDL suppliers

[loopy]

I dare say all the mainstream companies will go that way eventually, even Abena. I agree that there is no evidence to suggest the plan to phase out plastic backing is imminent but I don't think they would have introduced the 'AirPlus' line if they didn't intend to go that way in the longer term.

Hopefully the airplus line can sell along side the x-plus's. Then everyone wins.

[Bettypooh]

Cite the source or it is a lie.

Cite that it isn't true with proof or you may be lying too See? It works both ways so whether you believe what is said or not, don't call it a lie until you can prove that it is a lie or you are being a hypocrite- and possibly a liar too

I have not seen any evidence of Abena wanting to change their diapers.

Me either since I've seen no concrete evidence- but it does seem that in time all the Adult Diaper makers will probably go to cloth covers, with the exception of those who market to us I envision a day when only Bambinos will still have a plastic cover and I hope that day is a long way off. I prefer cloth diapers but wear a pull-up style in the daytime now, and quite frankly the cover is irrelevant to me- I usually have a diaper cover over it but when I want a disposable diaper I want it with a plastic backing!

Bettypooh

[Honeywell6180]

The regular X-Plus Abenas are actually more affordable than the Air Plus's. So, there is still a market for the plastic backed products.

Honeywell6180

[Darkfinn]

Cite that it isn't true with proof or you may be lying too See? It works both ways so whether you believe what is said or not, don't call it a lie until you can prove that it is a lie or you are being a hypocrite- and possibly a liar too

I'm sorry, that is not quite correct.

When someone states a "fact" they are required to cite proof... an article or interview, pictures, or etc. to support their claim. Otherwise it is dubbed a falsehood and the argument moves on.

I am not trying to argue anything, therefore no proof is required on my part. The OP's lack of supporting evidence is reason enough to negate the validity of his claim.

If you wish to convince me that your statement is truthful you will have to provide some type of proof. It is called Burden of proof. This burden generally rests with the person who is challenging a widely-held assumption or "status quo".

I'll quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Burden_of_proof_in_epistemology_and_scientific_methodology "... burden of proof means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it" OR "Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven."

In example. I say to you "Bigfoot is a real animal."... prove to me that Bigfoot is not. Can you? Can you find certifiable, irrefutable proof that Bigfoot does not exist? No. Why? Because it is extremely difficult to prove that the "status quo" continues unchanged. By saying that "Bigfoot is a real animal." I am trying to change accepted knowledge, therefore it is my responcibility to provide the evidence.

I rest my case.

[Heven]

I rest my case.

Standing ovation

[Bettypooh]

I'm sorry, that is not quite correct.

When someone states a "fact" they are required to cite proof... an article or interview, pictures, or etc. to support their claim. Otherwise it is dubbed a falsehood and the argument moves on.

I am not trying to argue anything, therefore no proof is required on my part. The OP's lack of supporting evidence is reason enough to negate the validity of his claim.

If you wish to convince me that your statement is truthful you will have to provide some type of proof. It is called Burden of proof. This burden generally rests with the person who is challenging a widely-held assumption or "status quo".

I'll quote from http://en.wikipedia....fic_methodology "... burden of proof means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it" OR "Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven."

In example. I say to you "Bigfoot is a real animal."... prove to me that Bigfoot is not. Can you? Can you find certifiable, irrefutable proof that Bigfoot does not exist? No. Why? Because it is extremely difficult to prove that the "status quo" continues unchanged. By saying that "Bigfoot is a real animal." I am trying to change accepted knowledge, therefore it is my responcibility to provide the evidence.

I rest my case.

I've been having Internet connection problems or I'd have replied sooner. Here's what Darkfinn PM'd me after making his reply here:

In responce to your comments and accusations in the http://www.dailydiap...0&gopid=245370& thread.

Please read http://en.wikipedia....Burden_of_proof and familliarize yourself with the concept of "Burden of proof" before you accuse me of perpetuating a lie.

Thank you.

Now let's get down to the brass tracks. To begin with I NEVER accused you of perpetuating a lie- I only said that it was as equally possible that you were lying as it was for the OP to have done so And furthermore it is an asinine position to hold when you believe that the order in which statements are made has any bearing on their validity. Your "Burden of Proof" idea may be popular but that never makes it correct or discovers the truth. Darkfinn, you have shown a proclivity to attack people without cause- maybe not a banned activity but certainly not a nice one. And I have just proven quite well that your comprehension of what you read is well below the level of intelligence you seem to think you have In the future you ought to read more carefully and instead of trying to justify your erroneous ways of thinking. why not try to educate yourself and learn how to interact socially in a nicer way.

And by the way- take time to re-read where I mentioned that you falsely accused me of saying you perpetuated a lie, That proves that YOU are a liar, doesn't it? And having found that you have once lied nobody should believe anything you have to say from this point forward unless you offer solid proof of it - regardless of which order the statements are made in.

PS: I also noticed where you said you have rested your case- so don't prove your level of integrity once again by responding to this post, either here or by PM. You've had your say and on your own volition said you were finished- I do wish you'd learn to be smarter and nicer. And I don't rest my case because the pursuit of truth, intelligence, and integrity should never end.

Bettypooh