freswith Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 From the viewpoint on this side of the pond.... We elected Tony Blair because the previous right-of-centre regime was terribly unpopular. He was handsome, attractive, articulate, and had a wonderful way with words. He was a high-grade lawyer, as was his wife. He had no achievements to his name outside politics. He promised (and promised and promised) something new and radical. He tried to be all things to all men, calling it a "big tent" policy. He had an overwhelming majority. Something familiar about that? Over a period of time..... He actually managed to achieve very little of practical value He opened the gates to a massive wave of immigration which has overwhelmed the welfare system, and disemployed much of the native youth. He let government spending get totally out of hand, particularly when pork-barreling in Scotland and Wales. He gerrymandered the election system and appointed cronies to head all government departments at huge salaries. The cronies appointed other cronies and so on ad infinitum. He created a huge, corrupt client state who all need to keep the government in power least they lose their cosy sinecures. His client state then inflated their jobs by producing vast amounts of bureaucracy. He created about one new crime for every day he was in office. We now have a more restrictive society than does Russia. He promulgated a series of witch-hunts against alleged paedophiles, rapists and terrorists. He has given legal privileges to toxic minority groups, and persecuted other law-abiding sections of society. He has weakened the rules of evidence to ensure successful prosecutions. He complains that not enough alleged rape cases result in conviction. He effectively removed the long term legal right of Habeas Corpus and other rights we have enjoyed since Magna Carta. He has created a vicious politicised police force and given them huge powers which they freely abuse. He freely libelled and slandered all opponents and opposition. The "suicide" of dissident public servant Dr David Kelly is the subject of calls for a new inquest. He corrupted most existing members of parliament by creating an expenses system that hugely encouraged fraud. Finally, and worst, he colluded with GWB to tell lies in order to take the country into a war. When that was rumbled he fell from power. His legacy has been a bunch of venal, corrupt left-wing hangers-on who encompass all that was worst about him while lacking his ability to fool the public. There is a move to have him tried as a war criminal at the Hague. I wish you better luck with Obama, but please understand why the British are taking him with a large pinch of salt. Link to comment
PampersPete Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Very well put freswith. Most Amerikans are too busy feeding their fat faces and voting on Amerika's next Idol to worry about politics in their own country(let alone a sister country like England). It's a shame really. Politics are only discussed when it goes against Bush or Palin and never Obama. I hated Bush and hate Palin. I'm VERY skeptical of the guy I voted for. I hate talking politics all the time like we did during the election but I figure,if I have to discuss politics with an idiot,I might as well be informed. Link to comment
Guest Baby-Toa Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Jeez from reading this I feel like I voted for the wrong person. Sure he's doing what he thinks is right for the country. Remember that we've been in this before and it took us a war to get us out. I just hope a war doesn't start to get us out of this stupid depression I hate being turned away from a job for someone with way more experience than me. I have no idea what's been going on lately in the Oval Office so i'll keep reading this to keep myself informed about the policies. I do agree though about not giving government run health insurance. It may work in small countries sometimes but not for a country that has millions of people many of who aren't employed now. PS any and all views I express are my own and not meant to attack or beat on others. Link to comment
redneck diaper boy Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 If you voted for Obama you did make a mistake but so did many other people. I made the same mistake in 1976. Like you I was 19. I drank the political kool-aid and voted for Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter left us with double digit inflation, double digit un-employment and double digit interest rates. I learned my lesson. In 1980 I voted for one of America's greatest : Ronald Wilson Reagan. My vote was repeated in 1984. Now pay attention to Obama's lies. He has violated just about every campaign promise other than spreading the wealth around! Remember this: Sooner or later every parasite kills its host. Socialism works until the government runs out of other people's money. Obama was supplose to be for the little person. It was Obama that signed off on AIG executives getting thier millions of dollars in bonuses. Obama sign a bill into law that no lawmaker had a chance to read. Now "cap and trade" is comming. Nancy Pelosi addded a 300 page amendment at 3:09am on the morning the bill was supplose to be voted on by the House of Representatives. This is the equalivent of handing the government a signed blank check! It is good that you voted. Just remember elections have consequences. You are 19. This asshole (Obama) is comming after your money, your children's money and your grandchildren's money. I am old and not far from retirement. My latest grandkid was born in May. My little grandson protion of Obama's debt is $130,000.00 Your younger people are going to really get fucked. Check out this video Jeez from reading this I feel like I voted for the wrong person. Sure he's doing what he thinks is right for the country. Remember that we've been in this before and it took us a war to get us out. I just hope a war doesn't start to get us out of this stupid depression I hate being turned away from a job for someone with way more experience than me. I have no idea what's been going on lately in the Oval Office so i'll keep reading this to keep myself informed about the policies. I do agree though about not giving government run health insurance. It may work in small countries sometimes but not for a country that has millions of people many of who aren't employed now. PS any and all views I express are my own and not meant to attack or beat on others. Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 You know what? All this talk is once again missing the big issues. But who cares as long as the terrorists are kept away and the person I voted for on american idol wins. Sure I'd love a police state since I'm now afraid of my neighbors. Sure I hate that president because he's not in my party, even though time and time again we've been shown that the shit would have happened, regardless of who was elected. I love the idea of a world wide currency based on a chip in my arm and a number instead of a name, I mean, who uses cash anymore? Did you say something about the fact that this nation was heading this way since the 1900's? That's unpossible! There is no way we now value the all-mighty dollar more than people. So your telloing me that a world superpower is incapable of doing what 19 arabs were able to do with minimal training? Link to comment
BabyJune Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I generally don't like to get into political discussions, but this one basically boils down to one thing: America is being controlled (raped???) by the oil industry and the insurance industry. Until we can control those two necessities, America will continue to go bankrupt--or at least the average working-class people and the retirees on fixed incomes. Personally, I don't care if it is a Democrat or a Republican in charge as long as someone does something to keep the cost of living from spiraling out of control. No matter who is president, us "little people" have very little say in what goes on. There is only so much money available to go around for all of us. Someone needs to be the watchdog to make sure that an elite group of people can't hoard it all for themselves. Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I think the question remains. Are these regular, run of the mill Nazis. Or Zombie Nazis? I must Know! It is a matter of nation safety! Link to comment
sarah_ab Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I think the question remains. Are these regular, run of the mill Nazis. Or Zombie Nazis? I must Know! It is a matter of nation safety! oh my god have you seen that zombie nazi movie???? Link to comment
curiositykilledthecat Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Anyone read pride and prejudice and zombies? Also look at the dmv, why would we want our health care run like that. I wanted ron paul so i take no blame for either set of candidates. Problem with ron paul was he gave off creepy grandpa vibes. Link to comment
curiositykilledthecat Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 my sis lives in the netherlands, near the airport. There healthcare is weird. They have no personal control over anything but my sis is a brain dead so she likes it that way. Her and I always discuss how large and unchecked governments have never been a positive at any point in human history. I'm a liberal by the true definition of the word, meaning I do not believe in the government getting involved in our lives on a personal or social level. Now the term liberal is just used to mask socialist or communist. True conservatives believe in limited federal powers, then there are those in my circles who can;t differentiate their faith and the government, just like the libs who can;t grasp the concept that america was founded on religious freedom not freedom from religoin.(albeit in practice people screwed that up, however on paper it sounded good) Link to comment
BabyBat Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 The way health care is setup in America is a travesty and an international embarrassment. I agree; however I do not think federalization is the answer either. Take a look at the school system, that is a good example of how governments f*** things up. A good thing about private sector health care is that they are driven by profits (which is also a bad thing). Government ran anything (again a generalization) is driven by the need to not get yelled at and go home at five. Plus forcing anyone to do anything is not a good idea, one way or the other. This is a tricky situation that there is no easy answer to, especially when religion gets involved. Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 oh my god have you seen that zombie nazi movie???? I saw a trailer for it and laughed my ass off. I want to see it real bad. And on topic with the off topic conversation, Like I said, it's a great concept but the carry out will further weaken an already overstressed economy. Link to comment
Creepymouse Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 government runs out of other people's money. Its called the Inflation Tax, the government CAN'T run out of money, they can make it appear out of thin air. Sure, it goes into the 'National Debt' column, but it doesn't really mean anything. All it means is: each dollar YOU have is now worth X% less than it was before they paid Y with their imaginary money. That said, no government on earth can do right by all its people. What we need is a system that sustains itself without the funding of its people. I personally believe that means it is run by 'He who owns it all', but he's waiting for us to show ourselves, utterly and without question, that we can't do it ourselves. That seems pretty clear about now, actually. Link to comment
PampersPete Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtdSEIlrxsI Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 ^I enjoyed that song and video. Reminded me of something Flobots would do. While we're posting videos, why not throw up Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist:Addendum? www.zeitgeistmovie.com<---Visit this site for the movies. You can watch them for free. (For some reason it wont let me insert a link.) Hey PP, do you ever visit infowars and prisonplanet? Link to comment
BabyBat Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hey PP, do you ever visit infowars and prisonplanet? I used to listen to alex jones, then I realized how depressed it made me so i don't anymore. Link to comment
PampersPete Posted August 1, 2009 Author Share Posted August 1, 2009 I do on ocassion. I've seen all the Losse Change's,Zeitgeist,The Obama Deception and a couple of others. I look at Alex Jones as more of an ally than a friend. Some of the things he says and does is suspect. I'll get more into this at a later time. I've got a pretty busy day tomorrow. I'll try to post more tonight. Link to comment
PampersPete Posted August 1, 2009 Author Share Posted August 1, 2009 To insert a link,look for the chain with the + sign underneath. To embed a video,lookk for the icon of the 3 pictures 5 icons to the left of link. Just make sure to curse your screen or your embed won't take. Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Here I'll try to embed all these wonderful movies. Obama deception http://www.youtube.c...h?v=eAaQNACwaLw Endgame http://www.youtube.c...h?v=jM6US0Qk5_8 Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Loose Change http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7E3oIbO0AWE Zeitgeist http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UHiuaGJ46zo Link to comment
PampersPete Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Not sure if I've watched Endgame or not. I'll check it out. Link to comment
BabyBat Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The conclusion I came to after watching/listening to Alex Jones (Zeitgeist is not a AJ production BTW) was simple: they have us where they want us and it is unlikely to change He did help me realize that there is NO DIFFERENCE between an ass and an elephant though. Link to comment
babyvr6 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (Zeitgeist is not a AJ production BTW) Oh I know. I was just posting them up as a unit. And besides, I like Zeitgeist better. They seem to be less about the money. AJ seems to be one of those people who would say "Give me your money so they cant have it" he has the right message in the films though. The AJ films are more tolerable to most folks. When Zietgeist starts off by discrediting religion, it kinda turns people away before the can hear the meat of the issue. Link to comment
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